大海訪談｜SEA Talks｜第17期｜啥都被我趕上了｜I've Encountered Everything

Hello, Jiang Lan Hello, I'm glad to have this opportunity Let's have a chat So, let's start by your background and experiences Where are you from? I am from Jiangxi I was born during the three-year famine Let's talk about my growth experience Last night, I watched a movie called "Dream of an Actor " It really made me think deeply Because I have experienced some of the scenes in it During the Cultural Revolution when those Red Guards were fighting against intellectuals I thought of my father Because my father, during the Cultural Revolution and before the Cultural Revolution, he was a school principal But when the Cultural Revolution began around 1968 by that time, I was already in school probably in the second or third grade At that time, my father was labeled as this...... He was publicly denounced and paraded through the streets because he used to be a translator for Soviet experts During the Cultural Revolution You know the relationship between the Chinese Communist Party and the Soviet Union became very strained Oh, when I saw my father I really couldn't lift my head You know what I felt at that time? People around were shouting and screaming "Down with this person, down with that person " I would lower my head, I didn't dare to look I saw my father wearing a tall hat you know, at that time, they used newspaper to make those tall hats Very tall, worn on the head And he had a big sign hanging on him, saying "Counterrevolutionary" I didn't understand the meaning But you know, I knew that my father was a bad person because I saw him being criticized when I was a child It planted something in my heart Actually, at that time, I really hated my father Everyone found it unbelievable Because why? I just felt that if you oppose Chairman Mao, if you oppose the country then you are a bad person, right? That's how I perceived it So, in my impression, "Sailing across the sea relies on the helmsman the growth of all things depends on the sun" We used to sing these songs every day After the Cultural Revolution, after my father was criticized and sent to the cowshed because we didn't live together for a long time so I didn't call him my father For a long, long time, I didn't call or speak to him Just "Hey," like that Originally, I was supposed to be a very good person a girl of that kind But at home I had this kind of attitude towards my father So I wondered where this came from It's because since you were young, you grew up in this kind of environment Unconsciously, you will feel wow, if I'm with him, I feel he's a bad person I said that when I saw him being criticized, I felt ashamed I felt unable to lift my head Wow, your head I just wanted to lower it, to bury it If there was a hole to crawl into, it would be great Don't look Later, my father was sent to labor reeducation He was locked up in the cowshed During this period Actually, many, many things happened Although I was very young, I experienced a lot I have vivid memories of the Cultural Revolution Then, in 1966 at the beginning of the Cultural Revolution our family participated in the building of a hydropower station in a fairly small place Everyone knew each other there It was a unit, working together Divided into various teams, construction teams, and so on This team, that team The place we lived in at the time was a temporary structure a bit like a work shed, very rudimentary But I remember three families living together Our family was in the middle and next to us was another family They were the secretary of the General Team, the party secretary The family on our left was a team leader, the team leader of the General Team One day although we didn't go to school much at that time we still went to school When I came back, I saw that Oh no, I often receive phone calls, it's really annoying Let's continue Yes, these two families One of them was the team leader These two people had some friction at work And during the Cultural Revolution during the period of ideological struggle one was a rebel faction, the other was a royalist faction I don't know if you understand I heard about it when I was young Even in my own family, because my older brother was a Red Guard, he belonged to the rebel faction And my father belonged to the royalist faction So that was the situation at that time One day, after school, when I came back, I saw a crowd gathered in front of the so-called royalist's house At that moment, I was wondering what had happened Later on, I saw someone being carried out from inside It was the royalist He lived to the right of my house He climbed onto the roof of my house He used boxes from his house to stack up and climb onto the roof He climbed from my house to the roof, which was relatively rudimentary He used boxes from his house to stack up He could climb up to the roof directly He passed through my house and went to another house to hang himself After he was carried out, ah, his tongue was sticking out very long Oh, I was very scared at that time I was probably seven years old at that time, I think He hanged himself at someone else's house? Not at his own house he died at someone else's house Yes, because why Let me ask There were people in the other house How could he have entered someone else's house? During the day, no one was home There was no one in our house either One was a rebel faction, the other was a royalist faction These two people were working in the same place One was a secretary, the other was a team leader They had conflicts, you see The royalist felt that this day was extremely difficult for him, right? He was going to be criticized, or something like that So he couldn't understand, you know He couldn't understand Because he thought that the team leader was plotting against him That's how it was Because I was very young at that time I'm not very clear about the details of this incident Later on, I heard adults say that he simply chose to die at that person's house This was the first time I saw a dead person After that, things became even more chaotic It was around 1968 I had an older brother who was two years older than me I remember one of his classmates very clearly I even remember her name, Wu Cuiying She was a girl She had two younger brothers, twins, both good kids Her father was an industrial worker, or the Leading Brother at that time That was remarkable, you know That was highly respected, you know So he was very prestigious back then I remember in our small town there were many temples At that time, people were very devout They would go to temples and pray, and so on This worker was a member of the Workers Propaganda Team, and later wow, they started smashing temples My brother's classmate's father was the most active He went to smash and after smashing the Buddha statue in the temple he also broke off the statue's legs Then he carried it and ran away He ran outside and threw it away, just like that After that, not long after This classmate of my brother's she was only two years older than me was probably not even 10 years old she got a heart disease Her two younger brothers, they were so healthy, but they both became paralyzed I witnessed all of this I couldn't understand at all I asked what happened Of course, now I know it was because of the temple smashing It was really a serious crime After her father destroyed the Buddha statue their family started to deteriorate Later, he couldn't bear it anymore and went insane His father how did he die later? At that time, we were working at a construction site building a power plant There were all kinds of tools there There were those kind of rivets long and big nails Thick rivets like that They weren't our daily nails He took a rivet and hammered it into his own head He smashed it with a hammer like that Oh, it was terrifying According to what my brother told me that's how her father was killed, using a nail to smash himself Actually, my brother is much older than me He is about 12 years older than me, like that At that time, he was already a high school student And then he joined the Great Networking of the Red Guards At that time, they took the train to Beijing Wow, they went to Beijing And everyone shouted loudly with Chairman Mao's quotations When they went, everything was free, accommodation and food It seems they took the train He seemed to have climbed onto the luggage rack for sleeping, just like that After coming back, our family became something else He and other Red Guards came to our house to ransack it together Ransack the house We were poor at that time To tell the truth we couldn't even eat enough every day Actually, at that time, I felt it was really tough No decent beds, nothing like the beds we have now Just wooden boards, boards pieced together After the rice was harvested, after the straw dried, it was spread on those wooden boards Then another layer of cotton padding I know that cotton padding was all old I don't know how many years it had been there Wow, they lifted off all that cotton padding and the straw, to look at it On the walls because it was a temporary kind of shed so they were all pasted with newspapers They even open them up To see if there are any hidden treasures of gold and silver behind them How could there be gold and silver treasures at that time? As for my father because he used to follow Soviet person so he went to some places He went to Xinjiang and other places quite a lot He went to Beijing and many other places My name has "Lan" in it because I was born in Lanzhou But I am from Jiang-Xi My mother was there in the north, and she found the climate uncomfortable She would have nosebleeds there And it was very cold So she requested to come back When we were in the north we actually worked on thermal power engineering After returning to Jiangxi, we switched to hydropower, like that Around the 1970s we moved to another hydropower construction site The first one Actually, it was on the side of Jing-gang Mountains Perhaps you all know about San-wan My older brother was sent back to that area In San-wan, the place where Mao Zedong established a base After the hydropower station was completed we would went to another hydropower station When we arrived there the family next to ours One day when I came back from outside, the man in their family disappeared He disappeared Everyone has been searching, continuously searching Because at that time, that man, well, he always seemed silent, keeping his head down We kids didn't pay much attention to it After a few days, he went missing After his disappearance suddenly one day I came back and saw him being found in the river, pulled out His whole body was soaked, that body Wow, when I saw it I mentioned earlier that when I was that young I had seen a person who had hanged himself at someone else's place And now, this was my neighbor next door Jumped into the river to commit suicide At that time, there were various ways of dying Let me tell you about the Cultural Revolution This person who died, who lived next door to our family let me tell you something about his son He was classmates with my older brother of me I have three older brothers He was actually just two years older than me He was one grade ahead of me, actually At that time, you know every household had those Mao Zedong clay sculptures made of plaster Didn't every household have them, placed there? And then maybe one day, it accidentally got broken After it broke, it was very scary and frightening, you know It broke It was a big deal He probably wrapped it in newspaper I don't know how, but his classmates found out His classmates they were probably in the fourth grade at that time But at that time wow, they criticized and denounced him I remember his name very clearly, Zhou Yi He knelt down there, knelt down I don't know if you experienced something like that when you were young Above our classroom blackboard There's a portrait of Chairman Mao Right? Yes, and There's also There's also "Study Hard and Make Progress Every Day" on both sides And then Mao Zedong's portrait is in the middle, right? He was made to kneel in the front Kneeling in the front and self-criticizing to the whole class And then he kneeled For such a young child, they come over and kick him: Your butt facing our great leader! That's not acceptable, right? Because he has to kneel facing the whole class, he definitely back will be facing the portrait The other way around, that won't work too If you face this side of the portrait your butt will be facing the whole class Wow, it's just back and forth A child so small, yet like this So at that time, it was really like people had gone crazy So I experienced a lot yesterday I watched this movie "Dream of the Red Chamber," it had such a scene I was really touched I was deeply moved when I watched it For us, we experienced it firsthand at that time I started elementary school in '66 And then, in '76, I graduated from high school For ten years, I was amidst the turmoil At that time, during the Cultural Revolution they said we didn't learn anything for ten years We had to learn from the industrial workers, farmers and soldiers Right? At that time, the Workers Propaganda Teams came to the schools and the teachers didn't have to teach anymore No need for education; they were all "the stinking old ninth" So, after the ten years were over we, this generation Would go to rural areas, go up the mountains, go to the countryside I did too We all had to go down At that time, for one family, maybe they would keep one child aside My second eldest brother was chosen to stay in the city, he stayed behind In '76, after I graduated, I went to the countryside Going to the countryside, at that time, Oh, there was really a sense of enthusiasm And we felt like, "Hey, it's pretty good" Receiving re-education from poor and lower-middle-class peasants, right? To make great contributions in the vast world The impression at that time was when standing up you would see stars We couldn't even eat enough I remember at that time, it seemed like once a month we would have meat Oh, the savory aroma of that meat! But with so many people, you can imagine really we could have meat once a month What did we usually eat? Let me tell you, it was in the rice they gave you a piece of fermented tofu When they served you a bowl of rice they would add you a piece of fermented tofu That was basically it Just like that Oh I felt like I became as skinny as a pole back then I remember the Educated Youth at that time were slightly older than me Because among my cohort, I was the youngest I started school early because my father was a principal So I started school around the age of 6 Others usually started at 7 or 8 years old At that time, we had to plant rice After going to the countryside We were 17 or 18-year-old kids 16 or 17 years old When we arrived there one person would cultivate several plots of land I remember at that time when we were transplanting seedlings in the rice paddies there were leeches we didn't know about leeches, and we didn't understand They crawled up from under our feet They kept crawling, and many leeches crawled onto our backs Oh, it was frightening Those leeches would suck blood Oh, if you wanted to get rid of a leech, you had to smack it hard You had to smack it For example, if it was on your leg, you had to hit it hard Then it would come out Oh, sometimes, the leech wouldn't come out It would forcefully burrow inside, you know It was really scary we were just teenagers then Oh, really Let me tell you, It was all caused by Mao Zedong Those young people really suffered a lot And people really became worse In fact, the peasants at that time didn't welcome us Why? Well, peasants only had a small piece of land, you know When we arrived, it was like we were taking it away from them We were sharing the little rice they had with us And besides especially the boys you see, 16 or 17 years old, right? It's when they are growing Their energy was incredibly high but they couldn't eat enough So they would steal chickens steal this and that Of course they would catch frogs in the fields basically anything they could eat Those peasants' chicken eggs, anything would be in short supply As long as the peasants had something whether it was ducks or geese they would steal whatever they could The place I'm living now is very close to Stanford University When I was at Stanford, I met someone who had extensive research on China's issues He focused on the Cultural Revolution, especially the generation of Educated Youth sent to rural areas So I asked him, what specific aspect are you researching? He said, "I have encountered Educated Youth and understand them well, and they all have a look of desolation" That is to say, they were tormented to the point of being unrecognizable I said, "I am also an Educated Youth" I'm just from a later group, not like those truly older Educated Youth who were sent down in the 1960s, you know "If we talk about 1967, 1968 the Cultural Revolution started in 1966, and in 1967, they began to send down that group of people They suffered even more hardships He knows a lot about China's history during the Cultural Revolution, especially the period of going to the countryside He asked me about those things and I told him they were completely true He knows a lot He asked me about those things and I told him they were completely true I said, at that time, people had no other options If a girl couldn't bear it she would just obey someone like the leader of the production team, right? Some would get married to the locals It was really too difficult About the one who was raped, he knows everything I'm telling you, it did happen But it wasn't a complete rape If you give her some benefits she can be easily satisfied So that's it, right? What did the girl look like? I just mentioned that leech You come from the ground from the paddy fields That's just planting rice And when it's time to harvest, you have to cut it After cutting, you have to bind the rice into sheaves Then you have to carry it back to the threshing ground All under this scorching sun, in the past, there were no hats, sunscreen It was impossible, just like that Carrying loads, those girls sitting by the roadside in the fields sitting there, crying loudly Girls were crying loudly Just imagine at that time If she got her period, at that time I remember when I got my period back then, you know? The blood had already flowed out I was so tired, I didn't even realize it was flowing out like that You're in the water, mixing with the water So, these kinds of things happened a lot Later, our bodies were ruined They didn't care about you Whether you had your period or not, everyone had to work When it was time to work, you had to work And besides that, you had to eat, right? We were in a Youth Village, right? You had to cook You had to cook and make rice And every month, you had to offer a certain amount of firewood Firewood for cooking and heating You had to go out and chop firewood The more you chopped, the farther you had to go After chopping firewood, you had to tie it up dnd carry it back All bundled up, it was unbearable Oh, you really endured a lot of hardship How many years? How many years did you stay there? Actually, I stayed there for the shortest time Because by 1978, they had restored the college entrance examination (gaokao) Our group of people they say we were the "ruined" group Unlike those who started studying later when Deng Xiaoping came into power later on the schools actually started teaching something, right? Those who were ahead of us they also learned something before the Cultural Revolution But for our group, we started school in 1966 and continued until 1976 So the college entrance examination was chaotic For the college entrance examination, everyone went I remember the group of people who went to the countryside with us probably about three classes, over 120 people Maybe about half of them about half of them applied None of them, not a single one passed It was impossible At that time in 1977 immediately after the restoration of the college entrance examination there was no time to prepare or anything In 1978, during the college entrance examination very few people went to take the exam Probably only three people took it at that time Only three people took the exam, and one of them was from a secondary vocational school Then there was me and another person The other person's parents were also teachers So the two of us passed the exam So I stayed in the countryside for two years What major did you study at that time? I did not anything I was thinking about what to do You couldn't just stay in the countryside So what was relatively easier? At that time, in our family only my second older brother stayed in the city As for the other three, my older brother, younger brother, and me, we were actually in the countryside In the countryside, it was impossible to pass the exam We had no network connections There were some people, like those who were officials, etc who sent their sons to join the army At that time, I really wanted to join the army I thought the green military uniform looked so great If only I could join the army But for people like us the "Black Five Categories" [reference to social class], it was impossible at that time Later on, there were actually the "Workers, Peasants, Soldiers" university students they got recommended, if you have heard of the "recommendation" system For those whose families displayed strong beliefs and revolutionary spirit such as the families of workers, farmers, and soldiers and the like When it came to the college entrance exam, we started to worry So what do you do when you're worried? You haven't learned anything My father said, "Then you should take the English exam" Oh my goodness I said, "People like us, we don't even understand a single English word, not even a letter" But there was no other choice I was forced to learn But my older brother, because he belonged to the "Three Grades" before Culture Revolution those people were really impressive They understood everything about math and science Because he was from the Three Grades, he had actually studied things, you know He was a high school student in 1968 He started teaching me math and science, bit by bit And then As for essay writing, oh boy, I really didn't know anything After the 1977 college entrance exam there was only about half a year until the 1978 exam The gap between them was very short At that time, I still couldn't do it I had to stay in the countryside Just like that I applied for an English major And I actually got accepted You have such a rich life experience Since I was little from the beginning when I started to understand things, it has been like this After you got into college did life go through a tremendous change? Yes, of course After I started college, things got better There were no more problems in life, right? And then, well after graduating, I actually stayed at the college to teach But the Cultural Revolution had already passed There was no longer the kind of hardship we experienced back then I want to ask you a question, though You mentioned earlier about your father being treated unfairly at that time At that time, you didn't understand your father very well Did your relationship with your father improve later on? My father was a scholarly type of person He would lock himself in his room and read books He loved reading In his later years, I saw him reading various thick books, those books about health preservation He was alone and he didn't really like going out or visiting others So I had always maintained a distant relationship with him Of course, later on, I felt quite guilty Oh, I thought to myself, for so many years, I've only focused on myself, as if the elderly at home didn't deserve any of my responsibility After my father passed away last year my mother also passed away During that time, I felt very down How did you start practicing Falun Gong? What led you to it? When I was in mainland China, I actually learned the practice I practiced Falun Gong Before I went abroad, it was in 1998 At that time, I was in Guangdong I stayed in schoolcollege for about ten years, until around 1992 I worked as a teacher for ten years There was a power plant in ShaJiao, Shenzhen That power plant had a lot of Westerners I applied to work there They had a training department When I went there, they accepted me Later, I went to an even better company There, I worked in personnel and public relations It's quite interesting, actually Because the job kept getting better and to be honest, the money kept increasing too What I did was in this large company which was a foreign-owned enterprise at the time there were over 100 Westerners I would assist them with things like temporary residence permits, etc And also handle matters related to border control customs, and such There were also many employees in the company All of these, including logistics, What does logistics include? It includes these things Every day, the kitchen had to prepare meals I took care of all the suppliers Because I also worked in public relations So, every year, for large-scale events such as banquets Mid-Autumn Festival celebrations, and so on all kinds of public relations, I handled them Of course, if they asked me to do it, I would I didn't think too much about it, but I noticed that some people would slip money, red envelopes, to me For example, for organizing a banquet, right? We would reserve the entire dinning hall, you know, all of it Dozens of tables, like that After reserving it at the end, they would give you a red envelope And they would put it in your bag I took a look, wow, it was all those bills These coupons meant that you could go to certain places for free morning tea, and eat there for free A bunch of them, all in denominations of several thousand yuan for example, if you use my rice, my vegetables, my meat, right? They would approach you, "Use mine " And then they would give you benefits Wow, I felt really great When I was a teacher, I didn't have this feeling At that time, the money kept increasing At that time, my salary was quite high You know, it was the '90s I started in '92 In '93 and '94, I was already earning over 6,000 yuan I already had a lot of money, and people would slip me more, you know So, I felt like, "Ah, it's really nice" But during this time, I realized Look, my face still looks okay now But back then, my whole face was dark The whole person, you know just I don't know what was on my face Because at that time, we were in that big international food company So, we had to undergo annual check-ups Then, during one of the check-ups, they found something called "3 positive" in me Positive HBsAg, HbeAg and Anti-HBc 3 positive means there was a problem with my liver At that time, it was because I was always going out to eat socializing, drinking doing everything It wasn't just this 3 positive I just felt that something was off with me everywhere Actually, before that I would often go see doctors Anyway, I just didn't feel comfortable anywhere For example, my stomach I had undergone an endoscopy I used to have frequent diarrhea And then there's my intestines I don't know what, so I had a colonoscopy I've done everything I started getting acne on my face Although I had a lot of money, I just didn't feel too good emotionally Then one day, I went to see a doctor Anyway, nothing was good Even my teeth weren't good so I went to see a dentist When I went in and took a look at that time, it wasn't like now which is probably one room after another Everything was together back then There were many dental beds for filling teeth The chairs to sit on were all there I was one of them, and I saw that there were many people getting their teeth filled there I looked at the dentist, and I thought, "Wow! This dentist is so nice" It was that dentist who was filling my teeth The dentist was young and beautiful With a fair face I looked at her, and I thought "Wow! This dentist is really good" Then, during the tooth filling, I closed my eyes, and she started working She was filling my teeth while talking to me She said that tooth filling shouldn't be rushed, and she would take her time with me She said that otherwise it might come off later And she explained to me how to do this and that, how to do it I said, "This person is really good" Then, with my eyes closed when I opened my eyes there was no one next to me Everyone had left Oh, I realized that in mainland China, work ends at 12 noon Everyone had already finished work Everyone had left Only I was left, and oh, I felt embarrassed I said, "I'm delaying your work " She said, "It's alright, it's alright " She said, "Let me finish this for you, and then I'll finish work " I said, "This person is so good " Then she told me that I would have to come again next time because she hadn't finished yet I didn't know what she did for me I couldn't figure it out Then she said to come again next time, so we scheduled the next appointment I had a pretty good impression of this person, you know Then, I went there again next time I remember it was April 1998 I remember it quite clearly I went there again After I went there, of course, she was the one who helped me before, so I looked for her again That doctor's surname is Liu After she finished this time, after she fixed it for me, she was quite nice When she was leaving, she chatted with me She said, "Oh, what sports do you usually like to do?" I said, "I practice Tai Chi " And there's Mulan fan, Tai Chi fan, Tai Chi sword, well, at that time, whatever I learned I also like dancing, and I said I love swimming She said, "That's good to exercise" We chatted for a while And when it was time for me to leave, she said, She said, "I have a book here Do you want to take a look?" I asked, "What book is it?" Then she gave it to me, and when I looked at it, oh, it was a book called "Zhuan Falun " Oh, I said, "This is Qigong, right?" She said it's Falun Gong Then I said, "My mom practices these exercises all the time " She does it too, my mom isn't in good health, you know, she had stomach bleeding, so she had her stomach removed Basically, 3/4 of her stomach was removed, and only a little bit was left And she also had intestinal adhesion My mom would always learn this exercise and that exercise Such as Da-Yan Gong In my impression, she learned numerous exercises Ah, I said it's Qigong Qigong is practiced by older people That's the impression I have But this doctor made such a great impression on me She looks fair and pure like an angel, really I have never seen such a beautiful person Young, beautiful, and kind Really nice Then she gave it to me And I said, "Well, of course" I took it back, and I said, "Okay" I said, "Let me take it back and have a look I'll return it to you later" When I went back, I started reading it Wow, after reading it, this book is so good I didn't read it all at once I read a little bit every day But every day when I read it, I thought, "Wow!" I immediately understood I said, "Look, I'm reading Lecture Four" What's Lecture Four about? "Loss and Gain" Oh, I said, "This gain and loss " Look at all the things I've acquired including these products from the company I treated them as gifts giving them away casually To my friends, my fellow villagers, and so on At that time, you know because many people from our hometown came over calling each other "fellow villagers" We were all together I gave them things that I thought I was quite capable and I thought they were also happy, right? Then I just casually took them because I was in charge of everything That room was under my control, you know Hmm, and then I also had people giving me red envelopes and such, I accepted them all, anyway They were given to me, not that I asked for them, right? When I looked at "Gain and Loss" I said, "Wow, how much virtue have I lost?" I've lost so much I said, "What I wanted, no wonder my face has turned dark and my health isn't good, right? I said, "This thing is all acquired through virtue" I even argued for it When I didn't get it before, I was so angry all for the sake of titles and such I exchanged it with my own virtue I said, this book indeed what it talks about really resonates with me It really touches me deep inside So I said I want to follow this " And then this doctor, she called me She called me and asked, "Have you read that book?" I said, "I haven't finished reading it" And then I told her, "Wow! I said, this book is so good!" She said, "There are also exercises" I said, "Ah?" Many exercises, and more and more people are doing them, right? At that time, I felt, "Wow! I'm so happy" You know, what did I feel at that time? Every day when I walked, it was like I wanted to jump up with that feeling I wanted to jump up And riding a bicycle was also incredibly enjoyable Riding a bicycle to do the exercises Oh, later on, with this doctor I said to her, "Oh, thank you so much" I said, "You really helped me a lot" She said, "You really made it in" She said, "I thought at that time, it seemed like you couldn't calm down" Then later, I started cultivating For example, whether you're at home or at work, if there are conflicts or something you look within yourself for any situation This is called self-cultivation Hey, you will feel particularly open-minded As a person, you will view things with less attachment with a lighter perspective Then I recalled back in college when they assigned houses At that time, it was about housing assignments, not like later with commercial housing It was based on seniority Those with less seniority than me How come they could get assigned, and I couldn't? I got so angry about that and I searched here and there But after reading this book it didn't bother me anymore You will feel that these are all trivial matters Because if you know if you argue and fuss it's still belong to him Just because you argue and fuss doesn't mean you'll get it In the end, who gets hurt? You hurt yourself Not just hurting yourself But isn't there a saying like this? The crying baby gets the milk It means the more you cry, the more you might get Yes, but this turns people into bad individuals, right? You see, when you say someone is cunning and shrewd, and that others should do the work, but you get the benefits yourself, right? Of course, I used to want to be that kind of person too So wouldn't it be nice if I did less work? If I receive the benefits, of course, I would be happy, right? But what about when you don't receive them? It's not like all the benefits are yours, right? All the advantages go to you Then you will have unpleasant things happen to you Right? Like before when I encountered these unpleasant things how did I handle them? Then I recalled If I had cultivated myself at that time I probably wouldn't have taken it so seriously For example, if I used to go to the restroom and found out that there was no toilet paper I would get very angry Why is there no paper? The person before didn't leave any paper I would get very angry But after I cultivated myself I would quickly put the paper on clean up any dirty places, and go about my business It's this kind of mindset that makes everything look different The whole world becomes very, very good You won't view others with such narrow-mindedness How is that person? It seems like it doesn't matter because your overall mood is very good When we were young, we received an atheistic education, right? So, concepts like Buddhism, Taoism, and others were they easy for you to accept? In reading this book, did you encounter any cognitive barriers? Because we were raised with atheistic education, my classmate's father smashed a Buddha statue, right? So, I believe that there are deities above us And I also believe in the concept of karma It's ingrained in me It's not like you educate me to be atheistic, and I no longer have any gods I feel that these things are not taught When I was reading this book, I had my own feelings Of course, I believe in myself, right? I think after I finished the fourth lecture, I probably looked at the fifth lecture Anyway, one day I just felt, Wow, lying in bed, that tooth, it automatically bites " The upper and lower teeth collide, making a loud sound And then I thought the taste of the medicine inside that tooth I could smell it clearly But, well I think I read in that part of the book that it's for adjusting your body, right? When adjusting your body, for sure, all the previous bad things need to be expelled All the waste Qi The taste of the previous medicine is expelled I lay there without any desire to do anything and then it started From the stomach, it undulated It undulated as if it was inside the stomach It's not that the stomach is not well This stomach is not well It's just like it's there Helping you adjust, it's just that I say it's incredible I haven't practiced yet, I didn't even know there were cultivation methods Jiang Lan, what do you do with your free time? Traveling playing with friends going out to eat band practice what instrument? What instrument do you play? I play the baritone horn The bass trombone Thank you, Jiang Lan! It took so much of your time to chat with me, and I benefited a lot Thank you! No problem Actually, thank you! You spent so much time No, hahaha, alright