The Town by William Faulkner - (The Snopes Trilogy) Book Summary, Analysis, Review

Do you think Thin Lizzy wrote the song the boys are back in town about phlegm entering Jefferson flam's back in town Yes Back with some of the hilarity of William Faulkner with that said I think we may Not be I don't know you said there's a tonal shift here. I got the feeling you weren't loving this one Maybe at all like as much as in the Hamlet like tell me about your experience with this one All right, so I'll be completely open and honest obviously I Read the Hamlet. I Listened to the town. Mm-hmm. I think that is one part of it so I think that sometimes the inflection of my own inner voice reading versus Listening to a narrator can add different tones but I mean besides that I think there was a tonal shift of this one felt a lot more serious and The Hamlet felt a little bit more jovial and I think the good way to describe that is the Hamlet felt like it was Your preteen years. All right, you were a tween. You were just having fun. You were 12 Summers were awesome. Everything was good. And then you become a teenager you get a job you the girlfriend You struggle a little bit the town felt like your teenage years. You're going through puberty things rough I'm nervous to get to the mansion, but I just felt a lot more serious this time around We got to step it up when you move up into the big town of Jefferson, right? Do you think Faulkner? I mean there was 17 years difference between when 1940 the Hamlet was released to 1957 when the town was released. Do you think Faulkner just grew? More resentful like he sat on these characters for 17 years Saw more and more of how people treated each other Do you think he's entering he's entering into some more of his curmudgeon years of just being angry at how people take advantage of each other almost Maybe but I think that those characters Are alive in his head and for 17 years. They're changing Inside of his mind and we don't know what happened in those 17 years So it's kind of like you have Jesus as a baby and then you have Jesus like 30, right? You don't know what happened. You never got that. You never got that You got the blackout period yeah, so we have a blackout period of the Snopes family and their only evolution is inside of Faulkner's mind and we didn't Get any of that. So I think they do evolve and change and yes I think that obviously we're all influenced by external factors and Faulkner was probably Influenced by the 40s and the 50s and you know The Korean War and everything else going on in the world and the great changes that are happening But I think that internally he has processed their changes. And so we see this big jump across Years in a short time period that's happening in the story long time in real life short time in the story and we see these very very big shifts of how The Snopes and the other people of Jefferson are treating one another Well, I would say this the the narration of this one even becomes more complex It'd be interesting to hear your opinion on the audiobook because we kind of have three narrators and they're all very different I would say but they're all looking at the same person, right? we're looking at phlegm the poor sharecropper that's worked his way up the chain now into Jefferson and we see him work his Way through Jefferson all the way from restaurant tour all the way up to eventually bank president and all along the way Whenever he leaves like people point out that Snopes in you know Fill in the vacuum where he leaves like he's paving the way for his family to kind of take over and fast And become more prominent in this town even and I wonder if that's like kind of like commentary just on Nepotism and the way that you know, a lot of power in the south worked back then right you had What Faulkner grew up with was a lot of the remnants of how land was passed down the remnants of how families married into other wealthy families that You saw nepotism with how power got passed down and you see him almost kind of like attacking that American dream a little bit here Yeah agreed. I think that phlegm represents obviously the old way of doing things that good old boys system and During the 1950s things have started to change into you know That American dream is you can pull yourself up by the bootstraps That's not quite as realistic anymore because your whole identity isn't tied to land Many people are working in factories and many people are moving around now. We become a much more mobile society where Jefferson feels a little bit like it's a time capsule It's locked in time and phlegm kind of represents that being locked in one way of doing something I could see that because they have a problem with almost shedding their skin to move forward to right Even though to your point the way of business has changed the way of mobility has changed from horses to automobiles Like we see how automobiles happen here and there's the hilarious first automobile in the county in the his book the Reavers Which is just you know Hysterical, but they still hold on to a lot of their old values, right? Like that's that's the southern way in terms of protecting women but protecting the southern bell we still see some of that honor being a major forefront for this book and We see a lot of how Gavin will interpret it in this book and we're almost kind of guessing of what is Phlegm's motivation. I feel like through most of this. I Also struggle with that as well of what does phlegm really want to get out of this? Does he want to rule the town? Does he want to? Just feel that he can lord everything over everybody else that he got won over on everybody I struggle with his motivation Especially when it comes to love or children his quote daughter And then you have Gavin who almost seems like the White Knight, you know what he wants You Gavin is very straightforward and I kind of represents that forward-thinking man. He gets conflicted too, though, right? Like so it's okay. So we start off the story with with phlegm looking at the monument The water tower because basically he tricked the two people into stealing the brass fixtures Whatever they were safety dolls something like that and tried to pit them against each other it gets stuck up there But also it's kind of like that idea of monuments to the south means something monuments all over the world. They mean Honoring the past a lot of the times But but the south when they honored the past kind of we talked about holding on to their old virtues very different and strange meaning particularly when we look at recently with 2020 how a lot of the old Civil War monuments got ripped down from the south right and We talk about these tales of what did the past mean to us? Which is kind of what these monuments are Representations of things from the past and we open up this narration with the stories of like the salted gold mine Ab Snopes was allegedly hanged and we find out that he's still alive Like we see some of these stories don't necessarily always have truth behind them And that's kind of what I feel like the characters are discovering too is is what is reality here? What is honor and what should we uphold as opposed to what we actually do? Yeah, I love the water tower You just imagine this like big old gaudy water tower, you know, maybe with the name Jefferson writ on it and Maybe phlegm it is a little bit forward-thinking because I bet he looks up there and he says to himself That thing's hideous. That thing is such a sore, but then he uses it to manipulate to his own advantage and I think that's kind of the Heart of what I eventually found out kind of be his goal is he's trying to use the old ways in a modern society to still Get out the to still win. Did you know that Faulkner so speaking of the power plant? Did you know he used to work at I don't know if as a power plant or a coal facility He worked somewhere along those lines and that's actually when he wrote as I lay dying like and then he claims in like a six week fury, right But the funny thing is like in terms of manipulating others to do your work Like he would come home according to his wife just spotless, which if you're shoveling coal, you should be filthy Meaning he had the other people they're doing all the work kind of like what phlegm was doing, too I just think that's kind of funny. Yeah, I mean, obviously he is the most dishonest person in this whole story He's made out to be the villain. I think he's a good villain he's not a great villain because I think a great villain you love to hate and he Is sympathetic in some ways. He's just trying to live his best life at the expense of others And that's why you hate him, but he's not doing it for malicious purposes. I mean, he's doing this to get promoted himself He's trying to make more money. He's trying to make the Snopes family, you know have more power He's not doing it just because he's evil or mean or bad that that's what I'm like God, I want to hate this guy, but I can't right. He's unfettered greed with amoralistic standards and Gavin Stevens I mean the Stevens name if you recall when we read a rose for Emily judge Stevens Right, like you need to talk about daddy judge Like it seems real fair that your dad the judge is presiding over your case as a lawyer No, no conflict of interest there, right? But the Stevens name is old to Jefferson right phlegm The the insiders or the outsiders are gonna come in and and he does he view himself as protecting the town Protecting his name like he talks up so much about how we Jefferson's right? like we Jeffersonites we we got to protect each other and in the honor and You know later on with like the the Monty pump pornography scene like it wasn't like okay, let's bust him on pornography Because that means Jefferson is implicit in The action of viewing the pornography So instead we're gonna bust him on white lightning, right prohibition We're gonna get him on that whiskey charge to protect Jefferson's image right and that's again part of like that old Southern way of life to of of protecting I Keep saying the word honor. I don't know if maybe I don't know if you I don't know if it's it's either not the right word Or the meaning of what honor meant back then might not mean the same thing. It does today. Oh for sure well, like Yeah, because because it is an external thing like society is what I think defines honor is one way I think of it And obviously society has changed I I think with like the pornography thing is is that it just showed that Everybody in this story is kind of a hypocrite even Gavin who is quote our good guy Isn't all that much better than phlegm because they're all hypocrites and there are so Enamored or they are so that's not the right word. They are The honor or again lack thereof or whatever word we want to use of the people of the town is so important to them They're willing to lie to themselves and to each other of these trumped-up charges in order to preserve the dignity of The women because otherwise they would have been Known accomplices to all of this goings-on at the photography business that had the you know pornography in the back So, I mean it just shows that phlegm isn't that bad. All right, so let's talk about Some of the women in this story. I'll start with EULA, you know, we when we talk about the cotillion ball Talk about a plot McGuffin. How do we get all these characters together like to Spain EULA phlegm and Stevens in one room? Let's have a cotillion ball now with that said the that those balls do have a heritage behind I'll leave a link down below. I won't give you the history lesson now, but it does represent a showing of social etiquette a Showing a coming-of-age almost for a young a young man to kind of demonstrate all that he's learned in a sense and anytime you have a ball in literature like there's before the ball and There's after the ball and they don't look anything like And I would say this this ball kind of changed My view of Gavin at least, you know before I don't know what it was But we saw how he was going to go to any length to protect EULA Why like it's such a strange obsession for him how he'd like hang out in the ditch He'd send his wife over to go talk to them and then he gets into a fight with man for different to Spain Because of honor like he's gonna go to fight with this guy that served in the Cuban War over here Like is this really a good idea Gavin? I think that Gavin is headstrong. I think that he's young I I don't think that he's written the best He seems to be almost the stereotypical kind of hero But when you think about like this ball, I don't think it is necessarily just a plot device I think it sits very well into the story These events were made in order to show everything off of you show your clothes You show who your friends are it shows off your wealth I think it's a lot more to it than just let's get everybody together I think that it can help it does do that and it helps move the story forward but I think it does show that old southern way of life of we're gonna hold on to our tradition and our heritage and Having those big parties is something that they always did and they will continue to do because the rest of the country I mean you you don't have big parties like that anymore You you don't really have any parties you go home and sit down and get your TV dinner and watch TV even in the 1950s Yeah, well, there's even a quote where it talks about a demagogues capacity for using people to serve his own appetites All clouded over with a veneer of culture and religion Oh That's some pretty he's got some solid writings when he talks about how we dress things up with culture and you know Like religion the kind of like what you're just talking about Let's talk about animals. Like I've been tracking kind of how Animals are constantly used to compare the Snopes and you know if you recall from the Hamlet The the phlegm was described as having like a hawk's nose that was put there by an architect that was different from the rest Yeah It's a predatory animal, right? They're compared to rats. They're compared to termites They're compared to snakes right even like the Snopes Hotel where the s is backwards and like it was drawn in my book So it looks almost like a snake too There's something to be said we were talking earlier about how phlegms. He's not evil Right is is the hyena evil for eating the animal? I don't know to me. He's just surviving Animals are amoralistic and it's almost like that's how a lot of the Snope Snopes is amiss, right? It's it's not we're trying to be evil. It's we're trying to get ahead in life in a sense the Snoke posse or pack. I Think that there is this hierarchy here and they're they're not evil These animals they're predators. They they go after the prey They see the weak and they devour them you know the termites eat the the hawk eats the the wolf eats and these people are those types of personalities and I think that they're written very well for that and it gives them so much complexity of Them moving this story forward of we want the best for us but we're also not gonna let Jefferson drag us down and Jefferson is full of hypocrites and you know, just because you know what we're doing We're not trying to hide it like you are I think that's something you know to kind of aspire to that. The Snopes aren't trying to Hide who they are now they do swindle people and that's not a good thing But everybody knows if you're Snopes what type of person you are now, what's not apparent is how okay? So he gets into the fight with the Spain loses badly Alright tries to kind of start bringing a rush against the Spain Yeah, like it's he tries to get back at him by charging him with the plant stuff It doesn't really work out the best for him But what's what's confusing to me and I think for a lot of readers maybe is the EULA proposal right when Ratliff looks up and he sees the lights on and Gavin Stevens office and EULA's up there and Proposes to have relations with him if you will Yeah, that's when you know Gavin starts to say like wait is phlegm impotent, right? Like but he he he's been obsessed with EULA He has her offer herself to him and he turns her down you see that coming no What what I mean, this is winning the lotto and tearing up the ticket like what he he gets what he I think It's that idea of that. You always want something that you can't have and now that he have he's like, yeah, yeah Which is kind of heartbreaking in so many regards of the story Because I did want to see them kind of have their happy endings I thought that maybe people would be better off or maybe that could help phlegm become a better person or I don't know maybe The Spain just seems like a he seemed like a MacGuffin to he just read red herring He was seemed so irrelevant to the the triangle of phlegm and Gavin and EULA well Do you think? when we talk about Some of the earlier themes the word we can't define like honor Reputation he was trying to protect EULA all along right like he viewed himself as the savior of Jefferson We don't want the women to have a bad rep, right? We got to make them look good And when she comes along and he's exact and she's doing exactly what he was trying to protect her image from It's almost like he can't reconcile his image of her with the actual Presentation and reality of her at the same time and I think it breaks him a little bit because afterwards he drops the case Against the Spain right and almost like I would say he's ready to reinvent himself Because it's almost like everything he's known to lie because this is when he leaves for Germany This is when he like he takes off for what is it eight years? he's gone in World War one and such like I Think World War one is also representative a lot of young men trying to find themselves the lost generation afterwards, right? I think he's so shattered before the war of what he thinks life is that he's trying to almost find out what life is and destroy Destroy his false expectations. Maybe I'm not sure. Well, how did you take his his escape his running away from everything? Well leading up to that. I I thought that He was testing her and she failed the test and that that's what broke him He said, you know, I'm gonna give you this good life Don't do what you've always done Break the expectations and I think maybe if she had said no he would been like yeah. Good job champ I'm proud of you and they would have gone ahead for it he wanted her to subvert what he was expecting her to do that she'd always done and Then he's he's running from it because it didn't turn out the way that he wanted I think that that sings to his immaturity a lot of young men They they run from their problems at least I know that I did sometimes as a young man And I think that the glory of war and his own broken heart Pushes him towards World War one where he thinks that yeah, he can reinvent himself find himself Or just get away from Jefferson and his problems and find something something better The war scenes and not it was so strange the way Faulkner wrote him because it was just like There's a lot of death, you know what I mean? like in terms of like the Baird Baird Baird Sartorius died the He kills Manfred to sprain and then Flynn becomes the new vice president or whatever it was and and and the other Sartorius kid died There's just so much death that happens here. It was kind of Strange for me how he interpreted Basically how society views it for me The war is very jarring and this is part of that tonal shift of the entire story So World War one is a very slow war War of attrition they sit in these ditches for weeks months years on end and the front battle line shifts sometimes just a few feet over the course of weeks months years and Then in this part of the book you have death death death death death death all over the place and that's not how it was In reality, so for me as a historian, I'm like wait, why why is he writing it this way? but I think it's to kind of Push you out of your comfort zone because that's what's happening to these characters Well, you know in real life We had the lost generation afterwards like a lot of people were like what do I do now like this war to find so much? of my life We had the pornography shop like we talked about but also there's also around here I think was we even we had the narration of month wasn't a Wall Street Snopes, right? Back much much all Wall Street's back. All right Earlier we also had Eck and I think both of these characters were kind of interesting because they're both there's there's Snope Genetici, that's not a word. But genetics is kind of question Eck was helping people and was nice He can't be a Snopes right and then Wall Street is a self-made man through hard work He can't be a Snopes either like like hard work. It's no don't go together It's a Snopes like what are we almost? And I think that's what the great thing about this story, even though I Struggle with it comparative to the the previous book the Hamlet This one is just has a lot more depth to it of who are truly these people and does phlegm really represent? The Snopes clan is that really who all of them are do they really all want to be that way? Do they want to be perceived that way and I think that if you take it from the the Snopes Chapters or phlegm's viewpoint chapters than yes But there's all this contradiction through, you know Gavin and others in the story that not everybody is going to be perceived that way Well, we don't get phlegm I don't think what the narration of this was so complex because you'd have like I kid you not wasn't there one part Whereas like Tom Tom told Gowan who told Ratliff who told Gavin who told chick? Who's now telling us the reader the story the narration was? Insane oh and he would say that Yeah, and he would say it was like well, he wouldn't tell me until I was certain years old So my cousin who's not really my cousin who became my cousin when we got a certain age told me this Yeah, it was definitely and that's one thing too I struggle with and I encourage people Read this don't listen to this or read it first then listen to it or do them at the same time and maybe you'll be Able to follow along a little bit better because yeah a little bit confusing there, especially in the beginning Does it play into the mythology of things not always being true that the stories we tell kind of get exaggerated particularly as they Expand over time that we may embellish things here and there like that's kind of how I took it I know that I do that. Every good story has an embellishment or two. It's something that brings your reader in hooks them and then you can slowly let the truth out or You retell the story and I think that that's why we're kind of seeing it from these different perspectives is We see the one that's entertaining and then we see the story That's the real story or what we're led to believe is this person's interpretation of the real story of the real Jefferson Yeah, do you um, you know, it was a little bit of a a slog for me some of the Linda scenes I don't know how you felt about them, but they weren't super compelling to me We have these scenes where now Gavin's protecting Linda and Linda's prohibited from going off. We thought by EULA then we find out that it's phlegm that phlegm might have been holding ransom the information about his wife's adultery using it to tell Will Varner who comes into town and that ultimately we find out that maybe it was being used as kind of like a A tool for phlegm to kind of have Linda sign over her inheritance to him Very convoluted way for what is ultimately phlegm practicing snopes ism Okay, like like it didn't seem too engaging for me. How did that scene land upon you? Was there was not that there wasn't more. I mean I hyper Condensed that but like was there something major that I should be taking away from those scenes that I'm not thinking of I Guess I just thought that this was once I got there. I Figured this was the way that we got to EULA and her suicide Yeah, I guess that was that that was the the end of the journey And I didn't take a lot away from the road to get there No, so yeah, you obviously got more out of it than I did Yeah, the Linda was a little bit of a slog. I felt like she was tacked on at the end, right? I mean you have all these other characters that have had all this great development Through much of the story and she just she's kind of there in the background and now she's forced Into the front into the fray and there wasn't enough substance for me to latch on to and then at the end I thought oh this was just to get me to you know Her mom eventually committing suicide which you know broke my heart because I loved you I thought she was a great character and now she won't be in the next book Did you know? Faulkner he claims he cried when he was writing that scene Well, he was right. He claims he was quite cried when writing a scene in this book It's hypothesized that it was probably the suicide scene I was trying to think of is there any scene in here? That's like as funny something from the Reavers where you can be crying from laughter I mean because most people don't associate crying from sadness, but you can cry from laughter as well And I don't I don't think there's any part of the book that I could argue against that. Yeah, I mean I mean suicide itself and is is heartbreaking and then somebody that is a I think a pretty decent person Taking their own life. It's just so hard and I probably would have cried writing it, too I was I was damn near in tears listening to it two hard questions for you. There's probably not a right answer here, but Why do you think? Why do you think EULA? was looking for Relations with men and Why do you think she didn't leave phlegm? Well answer the second question first. I think she didn't leave phlegm because of retaliation and by the townsfolk like you're with a Snopes and You leave him. What does that say about you? And then do you think also that by being with one that protects Linda though? Like the imagery of the southern bell the good southern wife like like she can't leave and support Linda on her own so she almost needs to protect Linda by being with phlegm like could could that have been an answer to? Maybe I don't think it protects the southern bell. She's not protecting herself. It's protecting the southern family, right? Yeah, it's taking that because because family is everything in the south family still everything to a lot of people not just in the south but anywhere in our country and that old adage of You you you don't get divorced you stay together for the children You you do whatever it takes and she did whatever it took to protect and give her daughter her best life and she Technically, I mean, I don't know how she viewed it because we really don't get much of a her window It's all I heard and speculated and I imagine up in that in that window. They were doing this But I imagine you know technically by genetics Linda is not Phlegm's child. It's McCarran's, right? Correct. So even like this family That she had with with phlegm if we call it a family Is is a show right? Like it's I don't want to say it's It's not meant to say you're not really a family but but I think that she had some resentment that she never had the To your point the picturesque family with phlegm. It was they hid the premarital Engagements that she had from a young child like being always pursued and then the town wasn't dumb They when they came back with a child They knew that that child was older based on like the time frame and such of when they came back They even said call that out in the narration, but I think she had like some resentment of her choices that led to this that led the promiscuity that led to that and I don't think she Learned how to express herself any other way But I wonder if that was just her way of just getting Attention getting affection all she's known her whole life particularly growing up was attention from men Is this just her tool for how she gets that attention and how she? Thanks or rewards men is maybe one way of how she she uses it to express herself Agreed. I want to go back real quick to the other question I think that she do doesn't feel maybe guilt But she feels like she owes phlegm one because he was the guy that took in somebody else's child Treated I don't know treated her good but treat her better than maybe somebody else would and treated Linda like his own She feels like she owes him a little bit but to your point there at the end Yeah, I think that maybe if we knew a little bit more about her background. This is her, you know Maybe not having a strong father figure Being pursued from such a young age That's the only attention she's ever known and once you get used to a certain attention, it becomes your new normal It's just what makes you feel comfortable. It becomes her comfort zone to feel that way And so that's why she's going after, you know, all these different characters and Gavin in Spain and everybody Throughout the story is just that that makes her feel Special because that's how she's always feels special since she was a young girl. Yeah now the ending we have the whole IO Snopes And old I when you talk when you're doing said you're trying to search for something funny I think that might have been maybe the closest to funny at least to me with a mule charging after this lady And she they smell burning and the house is burning down. She buys the mule just to shoot the mule That's probably the closest to comedy at least dark comedy in this book for me dark comedy I mean because it's not I mean, it's funny, but it's kind of like funny well, I think at this point to it's also episodic at the end because you have that and then we end with the I think that happens before the funeral funeral and then at the end we have like the years later Where we have Byron Snopes returned to town with his children who are half I think in the narration they call them half Snopes half, you know Indians Native Americans Yeah, so so and that part was I guess very controversial for a lot of people with How how they were depicted right like in terms of them being? Very antagonistic hooligans. Like I mean, they literally slashed that one guy's face and killed dogs not totally normal behavior, right? How did you? How did you take that last few episodes? I guess in a sense. I Think this is for me the Empire Strikes Back of I think the trilogy we're ending on a sour note We've got to go up positive from here. I feel like that Faulkner's bring us down to bring us back up I think he's also trying to cement your idea that you've been talking about this whole time of what is snoping Snopes ism What are these people's definition of their clan and I think hooligan is a good word He's he's hitting you in the face with it finally of like subtly phlegm is not a good guy He's not evil but he's not a good guy and he will swindle everybody out of their last cent and Now you have that this coming right forward to you saying this is what Snopes ism is going to be Coming up in the next book Expect more shenanigans, but maybe a little bit You know darker tone even further darker tone from the Snopes clan in the conclusion of the the mansion You know what? I'll say this what I really read. This was actually probably one of my favorite Faulkner does a lot of really good things like he has beautiful quotes that I know he shared a couple earlier, but phlegm buys Dispens old mansion when he gets like a several people get run out of town, right? you had that that guy that fought with I Think it was Gavin earlier and He got kicked out of town. Basically to Spain kind of gets yeah, you got ran out Yeah yeah, and chick even kind of like reflects on like well that that door to the bank didn't mean what it used to and Maybe that's kind of like the the whole point of this book is is we have this quote there man, actually, I don't have the quote but He he's looking at this bank and he talks about how things happen before we're aware of them and And I would say that that felt like a lot of these things that things just kind of happening before we're even aware and Then we reflect back on it because you'll notice even through The Linda scenes do the EULA scenes like the narration keeps coming back to it And what I love about how the new keeps replacing the old theme again There's a lot of layering with Faulkner how when phlegm starts to fix up the mansion a little bit. Do you remember what he changed? They changed the the color The the columns like he made it white or something like that in the front. That's Columns. Yeah. Yeah only in the front because so much people can see it Yeah, cuz so much of Southern society is about what you perception others, right? So so how Faulkner wraps all that up together was I just I really think he's just a very skilled writer But what is ultimately kind of like a book that had some parts that had some Some valleys for me too, I would say Yeah, I struggled through a few parts of this. I also struggled again. Like I said because it was narrated I also struggled. I felt like it jumped a lot with the different narrators Chick was annoying to me. I felt like all of this stuff was just I Felt like all of his stuff was I don't know immature. Is that right the right word naive? That's for sure, right? Because okay naive that's a much better word. Yeah, all of this stuff was just so naive Well in the way he presents stuff in the beginning like well, I wasn't born yet, but seven years ago This is what happened. You're like what like, come on me. Yeah, like you wouldn't know that Yeah, I mean I tell I tell my niece stories all the time But would you trust her if she relayed what I said happened to me 15 years ago? I mean gotta be a little bit skeptical So I guess that's what those chapters made me skeptical of a few things and just I guess annoyed me a little bit But not that it took anything away from my enjoyment. It just you know Okay, I get it. This has been our discussion of the town. Did we discuss everything? No But we we covered kind of like what our initial reactions are and such let us know in the comments down below what you thought Of the town and what were some of your favorite parts? My name is Manuna. Peace Look forward to seeing in the mansion. Peace