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Hello, Mr. Chen Chang Hello, Lucy. Hello, everyone On Dec. 10, the International Human Rights Day The Chinese mainland and Hong Kong's historic monument will be carved in Los Angeles Park in Los Angeles, U.S. A symposium and ceremony will be held there Mr. Chen Chang, I know that you are one of the organizers I want to ask, in the 50s and 70s a large number of Chinese mainlanders in order to avoid the persecution of the regime and the poverty of life, fled to Hong Kong and other countries Some historical documents record that there were at least 2.8 million people This has actually been a long history So now the monument in Los Angeles Park What is its significance and how long will it last? On Dec. 10, the International Human Rights Day the establishment of the Great Hall of the History Monument has a very important historical significance Because we know that from 1949 to 1980 during these 30 years, more than 2 million people came to Hong Kong from the mainland Among these 2 million people some applied to Hong Kong through normal procedures But also a large number of people came to Hong Kong through various forms of theft Many people in the mainland in order to avoid the disaster of communism They have been involved in a series of serious or large-scale theft in the past According to a Chinese scholar Mr. Chen Bingwang's statistics Around 1.5 million people came to Hong Kong during this period He calculated it according to the statistics of the Hong Kong Statistics Bureau The more accurate number should be In the late 1970s, around 1978, the statistics of the Hong Kong Statistics Bureau In the past three years, nearly 400,000 people have fled Hong Kong Because the people who fled Hong Kong were either arrested by the police Or they went to the police station to turn themselves in To seek legal detention So the statistics of the Hong Kong Statistics Bureau are very accurate That is to say, during the period of 1978, 1979, and 1980 Nearly 400,000 people came to Hong Kong So if you add up the previous thefts It is estimated that 1.5 million people should be about the same So Mr. Chen Bingwang's estimation can be trusted After these people came to Hong Kong Some settled down in Hong Kong Some people continue to spread around the world After so many years, many people in Hong Kong or abroad Have already settled down to develop their own careers Until recently, some people started to feel When their career is successful, they feel They are beginning to embrace the past, to escape from Hong Kong with them But those who are on the way may not be able to make it So starting from 2012 A group of so-called educated youths came to Hong Kong The so-called educated youths, as you all know, is to go to the countryside The so-called educated youths went to the countryside After being subjected to a lot of hardship After coming to Hong Kong They started to hold a seminar on the issue of educated youths Then they started to discuss Because many educated youths were displaced on the way to and from Hong Kong So they started to hold a memorial A memorial to commemorate the displaced educated youths in Hong Kong So I remember the first memorial It should be around 2014 It was set up on the island of Kowloon in Hong Kong Then on May 1st of that year, they went to worship When they went to worship for the first time There were almost 300 people on a boat to worship But originally, this worship was purely a form of folk mourning It was called Jut You back then What is Jut You? Jut You, as you know, there is a Jut in the flag After the Jut, there is no turning back That is to say, they will never go back So it is called Jut You These Jut You started this memorial And they went to worship every year Originally, this was purely a humanitarian practice To remember some dead friends And hope to remember this period Which caused a large number of people to flee So as far as I know, the island of Kowloon was popular at that time Why? Because when many intellectuals Travelled from Mainland China to Hong Kong Kowloon was the earliest place to land It was closest to Shenzhen From the current Yim Tin in Shenzhen To Hong Kong by water Kowloon was the fastest place to land So many people landed in Kowloon at that time But many people drowned or were bitten by sharks on their way to Kowloon So they could not land So Kowloon was a popular place for them to go Why? Because every year they would bring some business Such as food and shopping And they could help to worship the dead Because the villagers of Kowloon Island were superstitious So many people died and drowned near Kowloon They felt that they should be exalted So as far as I know, the villagers of Kowloon Island were welcome But after a while, they felt that they didn't want to go Why didn't they want to go? Maybe because they were under political pressure Because this was originally a very simple starting point A very pure act of mourning the dead It was also an act to record this tragic history But because it recorded the disaster of communism So at that time, for the CCP This was a very suspicious act So they started to use some political channels Such as the CPC Central Committee to tell the villagers of Kowloon That they should not continue to worship the dead So the villagers of Kowloon Island said To tell these people not to come here Because they were already under some pressure To tell them not to go So what did they do? They chose to go to Apcheo Apcheo is a deserted island near Kowloon They thought that since it was a deserted island They couldn't control it, so they went to Apcheo to worship But the people of Kowloon Island said Hey, Apcheo has been governed by Kowloon in geography If you go to Apcheo, it will be like Kowloon If you continue to worship in Apcheo Kowloon will definitely be under this pressure So they couldn't worship in Apcheo Under such circumstances, there were some people Who thought that as the political situation in Hong Kong Becomes more and more tense As the political ideology in Hong Kong becomes more and more mainlandized One day, they might even have to rent a boat to go out to sea So there were some people Who were relatives in the U.S. First of all, they proposed Why don't we build this bay in the U.S. And worship in the U.S. So that we can never be under political pressure Because they were worried Every May 1st, there will be 100, 200, or even 300 people going out to sea It is very easy for them to say that The boat will not allow you to go out to sea Or prevent you from renting a boat So everyone thought of this possibility Why don't we build a memorial bay in the U.S. Although Hong Kong's relatives As far as I know, they have continued to worship in the past few years But they are very, very low-key They don't want to cause any inconvenience to the local government But the relatives in the U.S. After they came back, they decided to continue this kind of worship in the U.S. There are two groups First of all, the relatives in the East China Sea In the early days, in a cemetery in Shenzhen, Xizhou In a cemetery, a cemetery A memorial bay for the dead was built The relatives in the West China Sea In addition to mourning The memorial bay in the East China Sea is mainly for mourning So the names of the dead are engraved Then ask them to rest in this cemetery The relatives in the West China Sea They feel that this history should be commemorated To remember this history So they are in a free sculpture park near California Mr. Chen Wai-ming The sculpture park he built In the sculpture park, a permanent memorial bay was built To commemorate the history of the Great Leap Forward This memorial bay was chosen to be opened on December 10 To let everyone know the significance of this memorial bay The relatives in the West China Sea Decided to hold a seminar on December 9, the day before the opening of the memorial bay The seminar will invite Professor Perry Link He will give a speech on the topic Why did he invite Perry Link? Because Perry Link wrote a poem in the previous year's June 4th commemoration Why do we commemorate June 4th? Why shouldn't the history of June 4th be forgotten? This theme is very consistent with the relatives in the West China Sea Why do we commemorate the history of the Great Leap Forward? Why shouldn't the history of the Great Leap Forward be forgotten? This is also a major consideration for them to build this memorial bay So Perry Link was invited to be the guest speaker Everyone is familiar with Perry Link When he was in June 4th, he helped Fang Lijian To enter the U.S. Embassy and pass through the CCP's claws Then he went to the U.S. Perry has been supporting the Chinese People's Movement During the Chinese Civil War So this time he was invited to give a theme speech To highlight why we shouldn't forget the history of the Great Leap Forward After the speech, there will be two seminars The first seminar's theme is to fight for freedom with life Originally, freedom is one of the natural human rights That is, human life and freedom should be like this But why do we have to risk our lives to gain this freedom? This will be presented by a few people who fled Hong Kong at that time To talk about the political, economic environment that forced them To risk their lives to come to Hong Kong At the same time, they will bring up a theme Hong Kong should thank Hong Kong Because Hong Kong provided them with a shelter At the beginning of the Great Leap Forward So that they can get a break in Hong Kong after fleeing the mainland At the same time, we should also thank the U.S. Because the U.S. system allows them to freely Exert their intelligence and effort To build their own careers So the theme is to fight for freedom with life And to be grateful to Hong Kong and the U.S. Then, another seminar will be Presented by some friends from Hong Kong To talk about the changes in Hong Kong Hong Kong was once a refuge for political dissidents in mainland China The history of more than a hundred years is like this From the beginning of the Pacific War to the New China Revolution To the Communist Party's domestic war, the Communist Party's overthrow of the Kuomintang The history of more than a hundred years Hong Kong has been providing a political refuge For those who have been politically persecuted in the mainland But it's a pity that today's Hong Kong Is forced to export our local political refugees to the world This is a big change It's a place that makes people sigh So this theme will bring about A change that has made people grieve in recent years in Hong Kong After these two seminars, we will end And invite everyone to go to a place called Yermo in California on December 10 That is, where Chen Weiming's自由雕塑公園 is located To participate in the opening ceremony Roughly, it will be arranged in the next two days This friend from the West Bank Has already organized a so-called Sea Refugee Association The sea is the sea of the sea, and the reed is the reed of the reed Why is it called the Sea Refugee Association? It means that everyone knows that reed and reed are synonymous After experiencing the sea, the spirit will be long-lasting They will start this event from the Sea Refugee Association Roughly, these two events will be like this Can you repeat the meaning of the自由公園's opening ceremony? In this era Speaking of Chen Weiming's自由雕塑公園 I would like to talk about a past event In 2009, it was the 20th anniversary of the倒塌 of the Paralympic Games At that time, the German government held a grand memorial ceremony To commemorate the 20th anniversary of the倒塌 of the Paralympic Games At that time, the Sea Refugee Association sent me to Germany for an interview After the interview, I took a walk around the former Soviet Union I wanted to see the political and economic situation of these countries After the 20th anniversary of the倒塌 of the Paralympic Games I visited every country I saw that they had built a communist disaster museum The names of each country are different But the meaning is the same To commemorate when this country was ruled by communism What kind of humanitarian disasters had happened in their country? At that time, after seeing it, I felt very shocked I thought that China's suffering from communism Was far more serious than those in Eastern Europe You are talking about abnormal deaths China's abnormal deaths since 1949 According to the most conservative estimates, there are 35 million people Some people estimate it to be 80 million Even if I use the most conservative estimate of 35 million 35 million is actually not enough, it is underestimated How do I calculate it? According to Yang Jicheng's tombstone According to her research in each county She calculated that in the era of the Great Famine 35 million people starved to death, up to 36 million This is not an empty estimate She investigated many counties And calculated the population changes in each county It is estimated to be about 35 million to 36 million people In addition, Minister of Public Security, Luo Shui-hsing In his own report, he listed In the early years of the founding of the country, from 1949 to 1950 Just because of the rebellion, and the three rebellions and five rebellions Several movements, the number of people who died was 5 million This is in the report of Minister of Public Security, Luo Shui-hsing In other words, these two numbers alone 35 million people died in the famine In addition, 5 million people died in the rebellion That is, the lowest number is 40 million people In addition to the Cultural Revolution and other kinds of political movements It is estimated to reach 80 million people This scale of humanitarian disaster Can be said to be the most severe in the history of the world The severity of the Chinese Communist disaster Is much higher than the number of countries in the East Europe But it's a pity that in our country There has never been a museum of the disaster of communism I remember in the early days of the reform and opening up The author, Mr. Ba-kim, once suggested To build a museum of the Cultural Revolution To collect some examples of the Communist Party during the Cultural Revolution Or some exhibits, but they were all crudely denied by the CCP So at that time, I was thinking When can we build a museum of the disaster of communism On the land of China? When can China be saved? Of course, now everyone looks at it, this is unprecedented Until the day of the collapse of the Communist Party It is impossible to build a monument or a museum on the land of China So when I saw Mr. Chen Weiming Building a free sculpture park in California I was very excited Although at that time, this memorial park Only had one item of 6-4 That is the scene of a man blocking a tank But it was just the beginning For so many years, many friends have been working hard The sculpture park has gradually become a scale In addition to the earliest tank man At the same time, there is the tragic story of the Iron Curtain There is the scene of the Wuhan epidemic The work of President Xi Jinping personally Caused the whole world to suffer There is the Lianlong Square in Hong Kong Until now, there is a memorial monument in Hong Kong In a blink of an eye, this free sculpture park Will accommodate all related Under the disaster of Chinese communism Various types of disaster exhibits So I think this is very worthy of our support Because it makes us not forget How our country was once persecuted by communism Also tell people The disaster of our country Has to be eliminated by the Communist Party Only by eliminating the Communist Party can we get a chance to calm down At that time, there is no need for anyone to ask me Why do we, a family of three generations, have to run away from the Communist Party? This kind of question So I think this sculpture park Before we can build a memorial monument on the mainland of China It can be a reminder to us Remind us from time to time That the Communist Party is the source of disaster for the Chinese people At that time, the police also dragged the pre-witnesses onto a truck And sent them to a camp They were given a meal The next day, they were sent back to the mainland Many Hong Kong people, in order to save them Always send food, water, and food To this place to protect these refugees Even their relatives and friends I saw some messages Showing that many Hong Kong people When this truck was about to send these people back They lay down on the road Blocking the cars from letting them go At this time, a large number of people jumped into the truck And went back to the Hong Kong city Then they were not allowed to return to the mainland In fact, these memorials are very touching Hong Kong people have really sacrificed a lot in order to save the people of the mainland of China When you ask this question It reminds me of some of the situations I saw when I was young I think when I was young, in 1962 I was too young then, so I don't have a deep impression The situation in Tougang in the past The situation in Tougang in 1962 I was already in middle school I have an impression at that time I like hiking very much When I was in middle school, when I was hiking I often went to some remote places in the New Territories It's not remote now But it was a remote place at that time I saw it with my own eyes In 1962-1963, in the northeast of Hong Kong Now it's in the New Territories, near Satoh A group of people came to Hong Kong The situation was very uncomfortable A large number of people wanted to leave Hong Kong Here is a picture Another picture is when I was young At the Tsim Sha Tsui train station At that time, the train station was still in Tsim Sha Tsui, not in Hongham At the Tsim Sha Tsui train station, I saw a lot of Hong Kong people In large and small bags, carrying things by hand Carrying what? Carrying materials to China Oil, rice, flour, etc. Wearing clothes in summer and winter Wearing woolen clothes inside Wearing woolen clothes outside Wearing a coat Wearing like this in summer and winter Why? When the materials and clothes go back to mainland China They are put down one by one For relatives in Mainland China A scene of the New Territories, in the northeast of Hong Kong And a picture of the Tsim Sha Tsui train station Everyone lined up in large and small bags Carrying materials to get on the train These two pictures left a deep impression on me That is to say, Hongkongers have always been concerned about the development of Mainland China Hongkongers have always been concerned about their relatives in Mainland China The CCP has never promoted to the people of Mainland China Or said that under the CCP's rule When the Chinese people are in the most difficult time Hongkongers are doing everything they can to send materials to Mainland China To help Mainland China get through this difficult time Of course, Mainland China is so big Hong Kong is just a small place It can't play a big role But for the residents of Shuhuan in Zhugang and Shanguozhou This is a big help But now, including what you said just now Many people are selfishly helping some mainlanders who have come to Hong Kong Some mainlanders who have secretly come to Hong Kong Or give them food and water to drink To cover them up, to avoid being arrested by the police To avoid being sent back These situations were recorded on the newspaper at that time Of course, I didn't witness it But it was recorded in the newspaper But what I witnessed was a group of gangsters So many of them came to Hong Kong And the police force sent them to Mainland China in a big bag Although my family didn't go back to Mainland China alone But at that time, every family in Hong Kong had a mailbag That is, the daily necessities, clothes and food needed by mainlanders Were sent back by mailbag At that time, Hong Kong was not very rich A lot of mailbags were bought by everyone They were made by themselves At that time, there was no place to buy a mailbag So they made their own mailbags My family also used this method We kept sending clothes, food and food to our relatives and friends At that time, almost every family in Hong Kong did the same So, the Hong Kong people's feelings for the mainland The longing for the country Has always been very deep Who knows, after the National Security Law was passed They kept saying that we don't love the country They kept saying that we are anti-China This is a kind of despicable action To destroy the history under the power So, in this situation, I really appreciate these gangsters In order to express their gratitude to Hong Kong They are willing to pay a lot of effort to build this monument This method is very worthy of everyone's respect Speaking of the people who fled from Hong Kong in the past, they were called Chukyau Now we can see the tax table in Hong Kong At least it has decreased to HK$370,000 In fact, in the north, it may be HK$300,000 Or HK$800,000 Hong Kong people fled to other countries You said that Chukyau's action can witness this history Now that Chukyau has left Hong Kong and is all over the world What do you think can be done to witness The history of people fleeing from Hong Kong to other countries? In the design of the monument There was a former member of the Legislative Council Who came out to speak out He said that The deterioration of the political environment in Hong Kong in recent years How did it force a lot of Hong Kong friends to flee from Hong Kong? So, in the second part of the seminar The theme is from fleeing from Hong Kong to Hong Kong Fleeing from Hong Kong refers to people in the mainland fleeing from Hong Kong To find Hong Kong as a political blockade Hong Kong is now being forced Hong Kong people themselves are being forced to flee to other places in the world This change is worth our consideration Why did this happen? In fact, from fleeing from Hong Kong to Hong Kong Reminds me of a young mother When she was in the occupation movement She asked me a question Why did our family of three have to flee from the Communist Party? She said that her grandfather came to Hong Kong in 1949 because he fled from the Communist Party Her father fled from the Communist Party in 1989 And took his family to leave Hong Kong Of course, he came back later But now it's his turn to take his children to flee from Hong Kong She asked me, why did our family of three have to flee from the Communist Party? I think this question is very worthwhile for each of us to think about Why did the Communist Party have to keep fleeing from the Communist Party Whether it was the Chinese or the Hong Kong people? According to Mr Chen Binggang's statistics From 1949 to now, there have been several Great Leapfrogs In the past two years in Hong Kong Nearly 300,000 people have fled from Hong Kong What's wrong with our people? Why do we Chinese have to keep fleeing from the Communist Party? I think this is worth every Chinese person's consideration Do we have to keep trying to evade the Communist Party in the future? You see, now the movement to leave the line is so brutal People who have left the line have experienced thousands of hardships They have gone through the heat and rain in Central and South America They have been forced to leave the line They have even encountered all kinds of brutal treatment on the way They have to leave China and come to the U.S. That is, from 1949 to today Chinese people have been fleeing from the Communist Party So this question is very worthwhile for us to think about Is there any way for us Chinese people To avoid the days of fleeing from the Communist Party? Of course, the only way is to dismantle the CCP Then we can avoid the fate of fleeing So I think The reason why this commemorative monument is valuable Is to commemorate why we Chinese have to keep fleeing from the Communist Party That is, there are more than 1 million or 2 million people Who have fled to Hong Kong from mainland China On a kind of ideology, a kind of anti-communist force has been formed Including when the June 4th incident happened, Hong Kong was led to save the June 4th students Now there are about tens of thousands or 1 million people Who have fled from Hong Kong to other countries What do you think of this kind of anti-communist force? The CCP often says that Hong Kong people are a threat to national security In 1934, it was already reform and opening up in Mainland China When Deng Xiaoping passed the resolution on the party's historical issues He denied the Cultural Revolution In this situation, in 1984 There was also a so-called purge of spiritual pollution This purge of spiritual pollution He said, why is there spiritual pollution in China? Because Hong Kong is not yet liberated Hong Kong's ideology has been affecting the mainland So in order to purge spiritual pollution We must close the Blue Wind Wall This sentence was said in 1984 In other words, even under the guidance of reform and opening up The CCP still sees Hong Kong as a place that threatens its regime's security He said that there was a class struggle in the mainland Because Hong Kong was not yet liberated Of course, this kind of argument is very ridiculous At that time, we thought it was ridiculous But this kind of argument has continued to this day It is also believed that this is a declaration movement, a anti-extradition movement Hong Kong's ideology is threatening the security of the Chinese regime in the mainland It needs to be suppressed He has never looked at the problems in the mainland As caused by the one-party dictatorship of the Chinese Communist Party He often sees the problems in the mainland As a threat to Hong Kong's ideology So when your judgment is wrong Not only can't you change the basic reasons for the frequent problems in the mainland Instead, you will adopt a lot of wrong policies To assassinate Hong Kong's original freedom So I think, of course, he will take Hong Kong's The protests in the past few years To see Hong Kong people as Since more than a million people have fled from the mainland to Hong Kong So their ideology is basically anti-communist He regards these problems as the anti-communist ideology of Hong Kong people And does not examine his own policies How to cause dissatisfaction among Hong Kong people You suddenly put aside the promise of 50 years of non-change Then the Sino-British Joint Declaration Such a solemn international agreement Is to unilaterally declare that it has passed These policies are the source of dissatisfaction among Hong Kong people It's not that Hong Kong people have anti-communist ideology after graduation It's because your wrong policies force us Hong Kong people to resist It's a pity that he has never seen his own problems For example, suddenly in 1984 He proposed that Hong Kong is the source of the class struggle in China Because we are not yet liberated So he always wanted to liberate Hong Kong as soon as possible Now he has actually liberated Hong Kong After strengthening the National Security Law to Hong Kong Everything is following the mainland now At that time, in order to close the blue window, what should he do? He ordered the people of the Pearl River Delta To remove the so-called fishbone antenna Everyone knows that in the 1980s The fishbone antenna was the main channel for the people of the Pearl River Delta To receive Hong Kong TV He said that this polluted the mainland So he ordered to remove the fishbone antenna His idea was to close the blue window Unexpectedly, there was a group of people in Guangdong Who felt that this policy was very wrong So they pretended to be a magazine The Blue Wind Magazine is called the Blue Wind Window The name of the Blue Wind Window magazine Is based on the leftist Deng Likun He proposed to close the Blue Wind Window A group of people in Guangdong Who had a strong sense of reform and opening up They purposely created a magazine called the Blue Wind Window To continue to promote reform and opening up To promote the abolition of such a stifling ideology So you can see from this For the CCP They have always been a source of threat to their regime in Hong Kong So now you see how they use the National Security Law to destroy Hong Kong It is precisely their profound fear of Hong Kong It is a result of some very wrong judgments against Hong Kong