this is how my brain
feels I'm going to decode the
complexities of today's topic so your
brain can understand rather than explode
which begs the question what makes a bow
shoot an arrow fast it's a pretty
complicated question with a lot of
contradictory opinions and I completely
understand why I'm on my own journey to
find out what makes a bow shoot an arrow
fast and it's not one factor it's many
the reason this top IC is extremely
interesting to me is because I make bows
and if I can kind of predict how fast a
bow will go based on the design before I
make it then I can make better bows I've
spent most of the last 10 years figuring
out how to make Bow Shoot smooth and
that's kind of what I've specialized in
now switching my brain to speed is
changing everything but speed and
smoothness are less contradictory than I
originally thought which is getting me
very excited to find out what makes it
fast so that I can make smooth and fast
bows
now to help illustrate some of this
complexity I want to share a story that
you might have heard before the tortoise
and the hair take these two creatures
one of them is super fast one of them is
super slow and they're going out for a
race the fast when the hair is destined
to win the race because he's super fast
much faster than the tortoise and as a
matter of fact he takes off and gets a
significant lead but after a little bit
of time he gets bored and a little tired
and is just going to sit down for a
little rest while the tortoise plunges
along nice and slow and continues to go
and by the time the hair wakes up from
his rest the tortoise has crossed the
Finish Line the obvious thing is that
the hair would win but the truth is the
tortoise did the obvious thing may be
more than it seems It's not what it's
cracked up to be it promises more than
it delivers all hat no cattle a let down
in Disguise more bark than bite the
obvious thing is that by increasing the
poundage on a bow it'll shoot faster but
the tortoise says but if you increase
too much mass that may not be the case
you know the main thing that you have to
deal with is mass I mean that's the
first hurdle there's several hurdles you
want to get into you want to make sure
the limb is made with the least amount
of mass possible so that it'll move
quickly meet Trace Lickton he's been
teaching mounted archery for 20 years
and he's also been stud the topic we're
talking about today he was generous
enough to help me teach this video and
as a matter of fact he sent me 15
minutes of gold that I've posted over on
the shadow proof archery page so go
watch this whole video because I'm
taking and testing some of his ideas
thank you Trey for helping me here I
hope we get to do more together in the
future so the actual true statement is a
heavier draw bow makes for a faster bow
if the energy gained is greater than the
energy lost by changing the design or
adding math to the bow limbs and that's
just one of the maybe 25 30 factors that
go into this equation that's why it's
complicated so my goal is that if you
leave this video knowing a few more
things and not feeling
confused then I win so we're going to do
some amazing tests with 10 different
bows to try to prove some theories that
I have about bow speeds Theory one in
the traditional boer's Bible Volume One
Tim Baker says the only way to put more
energy into a bow with the consistent
draw weight and draw length is and I
quote is to design it to have a harder
pull in the early and mid-stages of draw
his theory is that by having a heavier
draw early on it's going to store more
energy and make the arrows go faster the
next Theory we'll test is that the limbs
work a shorter distance on faster Bows
framer's video he was talking about how
the shorter bow tends to be faster with
the shorter working part of the
limb and yes that is so much true
because it's storing so much energy and
it just really wants to snap back but
there's also a counter to that so if you
see this shorter bow which is it's
storing a lot of energy but the limb tip
is moving almost twice the distance as
the limb tip on the longer bow what ends
up happening is is that this bow from
Full draw to
brace has only has to go half the
distance so in many times that longer
bow is actually faster this concept kind
of hurt my brain because it seems like
if the bow is bending more then it's
going to store more energy and shoot
faster right but then if you explain it
the other way around where if the bowm
travels a shorter distance but the
String's traveling the same distance
from your full draw then that shorter
distance will travel quicker making the
string go faster making the arrow go
faster and then when I thought of it
kind of that way it kind of made sense
sense the third Theory we're testing
today is that the limbs have an optimal
position relative to the bow handle when
unstrung for example this bow right here
the limb tips are 8 in in front of the
handle whereas this one is 2 and 1/2 in
in front of the handle what's the
optimal range of an unstrung Bow's limb
tips relative to the handle for the
fastest bow we're going to test those
three theories here's how I'm going to
proceed with the testing first I'll find
the distance of an unstrung bow to the
center of the Riser next is finding out
the distance that the limb travels from
brace height to full draw I'm using tape
and I'm precisely marking the exact
corner right where the tip of the tip
overlay is next I'll draw the bow to
full draw get all the way down to that
28 right there and I'll do the same
thing with the corner of this other
piece of tape knowing the exact inside
Corners are the measurement makes this a
whole lot more precise and we get 7 and
1336 so I can get down to at least the
16th of an inch preciseness next we'll
gather draw weight at 10 in 15 in 20 in
24 in and then finally 28 in draw length
is normally measured from the back of
the Riser so I adjusted the measurement
on the tillering tree per riser size to
keep accuracy consistent between each
bow now I'll take this bow and shoot it
through the chronograph I'll use the
same arrow for every single bow to to
promote consistency and I will also
average out the speeds and take multiple
shots per bow to get it as accurate as
we can then we'll take the total draw
weight and divide it by the arrow speed
to see how many feet per second on
average we're getting per pound of draw
weight this should give us a general
idea around a bunch of different bows
now I'm just going to continue doing
this for 10 to 15 bows of as many
different designs as I can gather from
around the shop so it's time for me to
get to work hopefully we can find some
patterns to answer the question when it
comes to Bow design what factors affect
bow speed the most what should we be
paying attention to to predict how fast
a bow will
shoot
so here's what I learned the first
question is does early heavy draw lead
to a faster bow the answer is most of
the time it appears that if the early
heavy draw is Extreme you need static
limb tips for the bow to be fast if
they're bending it wasn't so fast it
also appears that the heavier early draw
does not actually translate to a faster
bow with these 10 bows I've been really
wanting to prove this idea true I
haven't been able to yet when I made
this bow four or five videos ago I made
it to be fast based on the early draw
idea the early heavy draw idea then I
realized it wasn't fast so I wanted to
do a follow-up video on speed to say why
wasn't this fast trying to figure this
concept out and now that I got
information on these bows and actually
graph the data this bow hit 70% of its
full draw at 20 in this design by far
had the heaviest early draw but it's
it's not that fast this Bow's kind of in
the middle range at 20 in of draw you
hit 63% of this Bow's total draw weight
and that tends to be the sweet spot
because the bows that were in between
58% of its total draw weight and 63% of
its total draw weight at 20-in draw was
the fastest it's almost like there was
The Sweet Spot of early draw that is
fastest seems like if there's too much
reflex it can slow it down a little bit
but if there's not enough reflex it can
slow it down as well there's this kind
of a sweet spot in the middle with a lot
of these tests the second thing we
tested is that the bow is faster when
the limbs move a shorter distance from
BRAC site to full draw is this true it's
absolutely true if you could keep the
mass the same the problem is you have to
add so much material that it gets
heavier and that can counteract the
speed gained here's the idea wrapped up
in a nut Shell B lims that traveled from
brace height to full draw 7 and 1/2 to 8
in of movement were the fastest again
the ones that traveled less than that
were twoo long of bows and had so much
mass and were like a full Hickory bow or
the other long bow I used had a maple
inlay which is slower than bamboo and so
much mass in those that they weren't
faster but the ones in the middle range
of 7 and 1/2 to 8 in of movement in the
limbs were much faster than the ones
that were above 8 in and the only two
below 8 in were the 68 and 72 in long
bow that has a lot of limb tip weight
and our completely straight long bows so
the third thing we're asking is there an
optimal amount of back set we need for a
faster bow and the answer is yes but
it's based on bow design so I think we
could separate static limb tips from
working limb tips and the answer to that
question will be different for these
different categories but let's say for
the normal recurve or Longbow where the
tips are bending at least a little bit
there is an optimal am of back set based
on my testing 1 and 1/2 to 2 and 1/2 in
of back set proved to be the most
efficient and fastest bows for whatever
reason when we get really far into back
set we're not getting as much efficiency
you got to be careful how far forward
and the handle you get uh otherwise you
lose your stability and the wheels fall
off the bus in general the longer the
bow the less the limbs travel forward
but with the specific bow I tested the
68 and 72 in Long bows they had too much
mass which didn't make them faster I
think if I did a really long bow style
design but use some sort of really light
efficient material maybe the speed would
increase but the mass was too much and
didn't actually make the bow faster
that's where Trey's talking about these
hyle bows and he has some bows that are
used with lighter materials like carbon
fiber with the non-bending tips and that
actually produces a faster bow because
there's not so much mass there I'm going
to have to test that on a bow I make
soon I also think this optimal amount of
back set could change based on the
length of the bow because the same bows
that had 1 to 2 and 1/2 in of reflex
from the center of the handle are also
the same bows that hit somewhere around
60% of its draw weight at 20 in in both
of those scenarios they were faster 10
bows might seem like a lot to test but I
really feel like I need 10 10 recurve
bows with slightly different variability
and maybe 10 long bows and maybe a 100
bows or a thousand bows to actually get
super accurate results also remember bow
speed is a fun hobby but not the most
important thing for most types of
archery but in order for me to prove
some of my theories I'm going to make
some bows that are super fast or I'll
make a bow like this that I think's
super fast and it's not and then I get
to learn I also think it's worth noting
that my goal is to help more people
enjoy more archery and all of this talk
and conversation means nothing except
kind of some fun to do these things but
it means nothing if if you're not
getting out and just shooting your bow
and having a good time with some friends
or by yourself relaxing there's
something special there's almost
something spiritual about archery in a
sense and it is so so fun so if you
haven't done that get Outdoors get to a
range shoot your bow have a lot of fun
and know that that is a whole lot more
important than all of these
technicalities and you don't even have
to worry about these technicalities I'll
worry about them and I'm going to learn
this I'm going to figure it out for you
I have learned so much when it comes to
what makes a bow fast and realized a lot
of the complexities and the thing that
it makes me want to do is make some more
bows so buckle your seat bels
because you know what I'm doing next