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most of them were doing in the first quarter but in the second quarter Jimmy Butler decided to come to play and he had a stretch uh where basically had 10 points in about six minutes and also the passing the defense the floor game I'm going to say it right now at the very beginning here uh he's playing the highest level all around basketball that I've seen him play with a Miami Heat in the regular season right now and that's with as good as he was last year after the allstar break it is repeating itself and we talk about the scoring that he did in the playoffs lifting this team uh to the finals a couple of times but this is about more than scoring I he is passing the ball in a way I've never seen him pass the ball we were talking about this on playback but a couple of the feeds to Bam but also to Duncan uh the no look stuff like to me the one thing that always differentiated him from LeBron in Miami was the passing that LeBron was just an elite elite elite elite passer could see the entire floor Jimmy's now seeing that stuff and I I don't know that that's always been the case so anyway we will get to all of this today and of course we will have some fun uh with Joe Cronin I just want to be clear on something here before we go forward guys and Greg I'll go to you first and then we'll get to the rocky Sports gamer of the night um the hall that Joe Cronin got for Dame the hall right don't settle don't settle Robert Williams out injured which has been previously in his career Malcolm Brogden out injured which he has been previously in his career Aton who they would have gotten anyway even if they had made the deal with Miami Aton doesn't come out of the locker room because of a hand injury he gets into it with Kevin Love Kevin stays in the game aon's out of the game we know that Aon doesn't really seem to care about basketball all that much uh that was the homeall they also didn't have shade and sharp tonight and they didn't have scoot tonight so they were short-handed and this is a game that absolutely Miami should have won but before we get into uh we're going to get into the the gamer of the night and some of the specifics of tonight I want to start with you Greg on this the heat are now fifth in the East they are within a game and a half I believe of fourth they are in Striking Distance of third that was not supposed to be the case when they went on the road to face Milwaukee and Philadelphia before the break it was not supposed to be the case uh when they come out of the break and then Jimmy Butler gets suspended and they've got to go to Sacramento without him they are dangerously looming the minute that we left from them for dead the minute I left from them for dead on our show and said that's it this team is amongst that seven game losing streak I don't know that they can come back back from this what do they do they're nine- two in their last 11 they are reeling off victories on the road they're like the remixed Road Warriors I'm starting to call them with all these Road wins that they've racked up recently when you saw this stretch of at Milwaukee at Philadelphia at New Orleans at Sacramento at Portland and then at Denver still to come everybody I think flinched just a little bit and thought damn can we get through that stretch 500 can you come back with one win more than you lost and the fact that they have reeled off all these games and positioned themselves not only to be out of the play in at this current moment but to have Striking Distance from a homecourt seed it's just a complete 180 from where we were just a little bit ago this team is absolutely crazy like that the minute that you count them out is the exact moment that they turn around and now they're doing it and you're right it's led by Jimmy Butler but there's other guys that were really playing well I thought Terry had a great game late uh as well so there's lots of stuff to unpack but overall the heat should feel damn good about where they sit in the Eastern Conference yeah I got a debate here on this on the Rock eorts gamer of the night because I I think Jimmy Butler was their best player tonight but I'm gonna go with rosier um let's load it up Alex because I I'm sorry I I I threw that at you at the last second go ahead and now on five on the floor it's time for the gamer of the night sponsored by Rock Esports Center the place to eat drink and play all day host your next birthday party with them located at 15305 South Dixie Highway in petto Bay they've got a 5500t state-ofthe-art center equipped with all the high-end power play all day passes available for just 25 bucks but if you mention five reasons it's just $20 so mention five reasons or five RSN you get to play all day for $20 and now the gamer of the night all right so Jimmy Butler tonight 22 points for rebounds nine assists no turnovers uh that's about as ethical a basketball game as you can play but but Brady I'm going with Terry Rosier because of the significance of it um you know this is this is just a Jimmy thing this was a Jimmy game when he's engaged for pockets of the game he's going to put up numbers like this Rosier has struggled with his shot since he come to Miami this is the first time he shot 50% from the floor since he came to the heat he does it after an injury that it looked like he might be out for maybe this season if not several weeks he's back within three games of the All-Star break which is what we told you was likely going to be the case once we found out the details of it and he shoots seven of 14 from the floor two of four from three 19 points four rebounds four assists and it seemed to me like when he hit the one long three I don't know there just was like a release and he was in total control the rest of the game what did you see what did you like yeah I was going to say he was definitely the gamer of the second half like like CU that he I didn't think he was played that great in the first half like I thought he was still a little trying to get some of the rust off I thought he was still uh not being his aggressive self as we were talking about at the beginning of that game there was there was too many pockets where he's running these pick and rolls with bam and every time he runs a pick and roll with bam he's passing it to Bam and it got to the point now where the defense is just collapsing on bam on the rooll where they're like daring Terry to like take shots he's not really taking a lot of the pullup threes and a lot of the isolation stuff so it's like it just made it an ugly offensive uh Viewpoint so I thought it was really big for him just to kind of have that that switch in the second half I thought he came out much more aggressive uh just kind of getting into the paint a little more being willing to take come some of those tough threes like the thing about him is like not taking open shots like he's a tough shot maker like he's he's got to be a guy that just takes shots he just has to be aggressive for himself it's not really about certain you know like Tyler's a guy that finds open slots like he's really good at finding dead space and finding a way to pull where Terry almost needs to do the opposite like he needs to just kind of work and cook and find a rhythm himself and and it seemed like he was doing that he had the one uh big three it seemed like after uh Hain was like flexing on him M he kind of got in his head a little bit and he wanted to get a three off and he did and then the next play he kind of had that pullback dribble and hit the mid-range jumper and then it got to the point where after that he missed the next one but the whole Heat team cleared out like I I you don't see that often on the heat because they're not an isolation team the both like four guys two on each side just went to Each corner and let Terry just stay in the middle of the floor dribbling and take a tough shot and he ended up missing it but it's like you need Terry to take those shots that's him and as I said earlier kind of during this game and we were talking a playback it's like people were talking about like who should be the starting point guard because Delon looked really good should it be at the point now where Delon even gets the starting job and Terry comes off the bench the thing is about that I feel like the issue was Terry wasn't playing like Terry in the starting lineup Terry was like playing like d Terry was playing in this reserved way where he was kind of just playing off the ball he was not really looking for a shot he was doing all this stuff like no Terry Rosier needs to be Terry Rosier in the starting lineup to make it work and that's what we saw in the second half I thought he was just that changes so much for this team and it's not like when Terry's aggressive it took anything away from Jimmy I mean Jimmy was rolling to the basket he was getting to the free throw line he was getting the ball in his spots it wasn't taking anything away from him so they just need Terry to play his game and and stop trying to I guess like overthink and and just try to trying to fit into this system where at times he just has to be himself Alex it looks to me sometimes like they don't even know what they have in him it's been so long since they had a player like in his category you know what I'm saying like you know just that level of quickness constant paint pressure like I I don't I don't know what that is honestly since like I don't know three um and sometimes I've said this like Rosier does some things and it's like wait a second uh he studied Dwayne like there there's a lot of Dwayne in his game obviously not at Dwayne's level but there's a lot of Dwayne in his game uh I mean M mimic certain matter isms uh you know even the spin moves that kind of stuff uh but I I feel like this is a learning process like they lost two weeks here two or three weeks here but I feel like this is the biggest growth point for this team because I think as they learn him and he learns them it changes the trajectory for them offensively in my opinion mute okay do you hear me now okay sorry about that so yeah I I completely agree with you so I feel like and we talked about this before like they were um leaving some meat on the bone there with Terry and I know it's a phrase I've used recently but like in general I I I feel that way about a lot of guys on this team and it's like it's hard to feed all these mouths right and when it comes to Terry I think he's sort of been trying to adjust to this newer role and maybe he feels like some of those shots that like he was taking in Charlotte are not necessarily shots at the Heat have wanted him to take but I completely feel like they you know that's part of the reason they traded for him wasn't just the rim pressure and the playmaking which has been really nice but like the pullup shooting the shot making the you know the the Herky jerky parts of his game the Shifting the shiftiness of his game like all that stuff is kind of needed like they need that kind of extra layer of chaos uh on offense because they don't have other guys who can do that so it was really nice to see him kind of get back into his game tonight he's very much um a guy who kind of gets into Rhythm by you know like R was talking about just by kind of cooking up and you know playing his game he is so that's why I feel like it's a little bit tough to try to get him going as a as a shooter sometimes and I feel like why he's had some of these weird uh shooting slumps with the heat is like he has to get the one-on-one stuff going and like his his off the- dribble game going first to get that Rhythm and so I I think that's what you saw tonight and even though you know four three-point attempts isn't like a huge amount I thought the ones he did take were more representative of the types of shots he was shooting before so like he shot more threes and you know more volume in other games but I you know and of course I'm not going to be mad at open Catch and shoot threes ever but tonight was more representative I think of the Terry that that people thought was going to be coming here where it's more shooting you know getting 14 uh shots up and you know the the assisted turnover was still positive four to2 but it feels like it's very much been inverted up up until this point with Terry where it's like you you were getting much more of the passing and less of the kind of one-on-one game and it felt like he had some of that reputation coming in of like being a shot chucker and all that and he absolutely has not been that and uh honestly I thought tonight would he he mixed it up and and really got going as the game went on there and I I really do think and and Shout Out Eternal he said this in our playback that he's gonna be you know somebody who comes up with some big moments in the playoffs because he's the type of guy who can make tough shots and you know make like late clock tough shots and they they that extra layer is going to be something that's you know fun to monitor going forward I think couple other guys I want to mention here before we get to the play of the night and I I know that they're uh there are a lot of options for play of the night tonight actually um although none in the first quarter we'll just fast forward P that and take a look at what they did after that so I I'll let all you guys kind of think about what what direction we might go here uh but I want to mention uh two guys because uh in addition to Jimmy they kind of turn this game around uh Nico played well I thought tonight and um and that stretch with him and Duncan in the third quarter you see the way that the two of them help open up this offense and this is what a lot of Heat fans talk about when they want yic to play or they want Duncan to start is it just looks like there's more space and and the and the big thing to me about uh yic tonight uh I'll go to you quickly on this Brady and then we'll get to the play of the night the big thing to me about yic was if he's going to make that corner three he's gonna play because we we've talked about how that fourth or fifth guy in the lineup that that's the issue is can you count on Caleb had a really rough first quarter tonight he was much better uh in the second half but Caleb heith hakz uh that shot is open like that that's the shot that other teams are going to give them yic made it then he made one uh he made he also made one from the elbow um I thought he was good and Duncan's overall floor game tonight was terrific I thought yeah I've been saying it for a while that that what when yic wasn't playing that it wasn't for defensive purposes like I feel like a lot of people were mentioning I kept saying the shoot the shooting the shot from three is what's going to make keep get him minutes that's what's going to sustain his minutes just because of what they need uh they could play him longer because of that they got to that point in the game where they were he was literally just getting helped off of every single time and he just started making them pay and the second part of it and it's the thing that I always talk about with Haywood that he's really developed is you have to not be afraid to take it when you're getting helped off of you cannot like look away from those shots if you don't take them you you shouldn't be out there and Haywood's kind of picked that up and if when they help off him he just keeps taking them and I thought yish did a good job of that tonight where he was just kind of just continually getting that shot up and then he had other points in the game in the third quarter where I thought he ran the floor in a game where I thought they needed to kind of push the pace a little bit Rosier kind of hit him on that hit ahead uh that lob where he laid it in um 100% I think that when if he has these Pockets where I think the big thing is the first quarter not deciding how his game goes because we we talk about it a lot it's like okay well if he plays good to start he should get more minutes well like they should he should be able to power through some of that stuff it shouldn't just be judged by the first few you know eight minutes of the game because he doesn't come back in he should have another shot of at least at least kind of showing his impact later on so I thought that was kind of important in the third quarter but Duncan as well uh I thought had had moments Caleb you know you mentioned the first quarter was rough but I thought the he has this thing that everybody's talking about with the the hitch going away where when he's like moving into his shot like when he's in Rhythm he does not have the hitch but it's also funny because I mentioned before like I feel like every the last few seasons the longer they go into the season the more the hitch goes away like the Reps go up and all of a sudden late in the season and then into the playoffs they go and the hitch is like like somewhat gone uh so it's just a funny Trend but yeah it was a definitely I think a good game for for yic to not only play well in that third but also just get the start because I think there were some people were questioning like after that game the other night or last night it was like okay does yic just jump back in there or do they stay defense well it looks like he's gonna stay in there I I mean that that's where this seems to be headed because uh when when Tyler comes back he'll go back in for Duncan they'll see how the Rosier hero back court works but I don't think they're pulling yic from the starting lineup now which means the Caleb's going back to the bench I and that's not the direction I thought he would go but I I do think it's setting up for that now we'll see and again I I think if that's the case it's going to be short minutes for yich and where maybe one stint each first quarter third quarter um and maybe he's extended to 7even or eight minutes during that stretch but it it does seem like he's entrenched there to a certain degree I I know which play we're playing we're picking for play of the night so let's uh let's roll it and then we'll see if it was the same one you guys would have done and now it's time for the insurance byet play of the night sponsored by insurance by.com at a Aggressive Insurance Agency you can reach out to our friend Lynette at 94581 8800 that's 95458 8800 or Insurance pet.com that's insurance myinet.com with two NS and two T's your best play for Auto Insurance homeowners insurance condo Insurance life insurance or retirement program reach out to Lynette at Insurance byte.com I'll say this I could watch dlan Wright uh fight through screens all day long um not going to be play of the night but I there was there he he caused a 24 second violation basically because of his activity on the defensive side again something we didn't see they had two needs they addressed them both I mean I know people are going to talk about size but yic may mitigate some of that but I I I I just think what they did getting Rosier and right for Lowry uh and and if and if protected first was masterful honestly and I I I think it's going to I think we're going to look back at it that way also but to me the play of the night was the Duncan relocation uh for the three were you Alex were you on the on on playback with us for that one do you remember that sequence I don't at the moment which can you uh it was it was the Duncan 3 I believe in the third quarter I'm trying to replay it in my head but I'm sure some in the chat uh will remember where the was just popping I mean it was yic was in there too and and uh yeah it was early in the third right it was early in the third four four guys touched it and then ended up with Duncan relocating yeah uh and making a three and and IIs like the ball was not moving like that at all in the first half and they were like whoa what's going on but but it was yic and Duncan who kind of created that kind of movement we didn't see it again in the first quarter I'm not exactly sure what happened in that first quarter honestly like that was there was just some there was some silly stuff that they were doing offensively and Jeremy Grant was making every shot and they were allowing uh uh they they were allowing basically Aon to get to eat on the uh with offensive rebounds it did start with Duncan's drive that's correct uh and that here we go Ben Ben hit on it he was on playback with us Jimmy kick out to yic yic touch touch pass it to Jimmy who kicked it out to Duncan for the three Jimmy also had a no look pass in this game I mentioned um that also to me this was the one thing I'm gonna keep coming back to this this is the one thing that like if you go over what LeBron did in Miami and Jimmy has done in Miami like H Jimmy as a passer is okay he's okay but he's not Elite like LeBron was Elite Jimmy's passing over the past I I'll let any of you guys jump in on this but his passing over the past two three weeks has been ABS the defense has been tremendous too but the the passing over the last couple weeks Brady's been crazy can I also say really quickly that I feel like my the play of the night the other play of the night option would have been the Jimmy defensive play the as you're hitting at the defense it was the one where he like literally stripped the ball the ball was like went to somebody else he picks him up he passes to the next guy he picks him up and then strips him as well and it's was like he is so locked in defensively right now it felt like esec specifically kind of in that second half and that third quarter range where he kind of went on that run but it's like this team is revolves around bam defensively but when J is locked in on that end they're tough because like you could surround him with more Defenders and you could kind of play certain lineups that I just think that's kind of a big key but yeah the passing the way he was like looking off Defenders like he had a couple like three nol look passes to somebody cutting Baseline where he was just looking to his left and kind of dumping it down to Kevin or dumping it down to Delon uh that stuff is huge and they were really kind of just spamming that Jimmy uh bam pick and roll to start the game uh and he was feeding bam and they were kind of looking like a actual pick and roll combo that could play together so I said it earlier too like on playback that it's like they always have like one or two games in the season where Jimmy and Bam can play together in pick and rolles like it's just like it doesn't happen often it'll probably happen 80 out of the 80 or two out of the 82 but like when it happens it looks like pretty decent so it just feels like one of those games that's like Jimmy just showing hey I could do this too I don't just I don't just have to score and play defense want this lineup that both through out there at one point uh Wright Butler hwz Martin bam uh you could Sub heith in for hakz for even more defense if that's a direction you want to go love it you could sub Duncan in I I know Alex you mentioned that I think to that would kind of unlock that lineup offensively uh he's got a lot of different ways that he can now right Kevin Love Came in shortly after we talked about that uh lineup as well they they just have a lot of variations that that he can go to with a lot of this uh a lot of this different stuff Le let's get to you know what let's do the injury report because it gives us a chance to talk about somebody like we always do and now it's time for the official five on the floor injury report sponsored by our friend Eric Rubenstein the personal injury attorney born and raised in Lauderdale Florida lives in Miami went to St Thomas he's a South Florida guy and a huge Miami Heat fan but the important thing is he can help you get your money that you deserve when something happens to you so reach out to our guy Eric Rubenstein again Eric Rubenstein decom or ask about me I got you on Instagram and now the injury report first thing I didn't mention this before we talk about Duncan good bounce back game for Duncan after he didn't shoot the ball well uh in Sacramento so that was impressive all right Greg uh Tyler hero sits again um Rosier back hero not back yet um I don't know would you just sit him in Denver let this team roll and let them come back healthy for the two- game home stand I I have a feeling that the fact that they've gone through this road trip unscathed is going to buy Tyler a little bit of time till they get back to Miami so yeah I wouldn't expect him in Denver um I think that they're going to take that game as gravy on this trip um and approach uh maybe not approach it that way but at least from a player management injury management perspective treat it that way so I wouldn't expect to see Tyler in Denver no but he's he'll be back soon let me ask uh this question to Brady and Alex here I I see this in the in the in the comments it says Tyler hero is a luxury at this point do you guys agree with that I'm not at that point because I really do believe they're going to need Tyler in certain matchups and I keep saying that I keep bringing up specific matchups like there's teams like Milwaukee and there's teams like Cleveland that Tyler is going to need be needed to have a big Series against that it's they need him they I I really do believe that I mean the playoffs run last year is going to be in the back of everybody's mind the fact that they could still win games without him is on everybody's mind but they couldn games without anybody in the regular season it feels when you have Eric spoler they just do it over and over uh but there's still like look you were nobody was saying that at the at halftime night like the way that that offense looked it was not smooth like the fact that Jimmy went on that run and the fact that Portland is a very bad team and a very bad offense made this look a little better but I still think there's at points where they're going to need both Terry and Tyler they're going to need their offensive punch uh because you know I ideally you don't need Jimmy going for 56 in a playoff game ideally Lou whm seeing it again uh I I I don't think he'll play in Denver I I think the I think the altitude will play into it too he takes a few days off you don't want to throw him back out there for that and I do think they're going to see this game as gravy on the trip I mean you know I've covered I think 13 Heat games in Denver in the regular season I saw them win once uh it's it's just it's just not a place that they win regularly and I I don't know that any of us thought they would be three and0 through this trip I think we thought the Portland game was a win and they probably you know maybe they get one of the two against New Orleans or Sacramento so this trip has already gone beyond expectations everything has kind of been good lately I mean if you think about it Rosier gets hurt it's not for as long as everybody thought it was going to be dlon Wright available they pounce on him uh the Rosier trade obviously prior to that and then uh you know you just look at uh you know Jimmy coming back the way he's come back from uh from the Hiatus like it does feel like there's a lot of good things that are flowing at a time um and I I'll I'll let Greg Alex you you can close this I mean at a time where Philadelphia is fading which kind of anticipated would happen with embiid but it's carried in the Knicks are not healthy right now they're a different team without without OG um it's really just Cleveland that's at you know Cleveland and Boston are playing at this really high level and because of that the the three I mean Milwaukee's playing better now they've won four row I guess and they won big tonight against Charlotte but uh it just feels like everything's flowing the right direction the question will now become do you rather be the six seed and avoid the Boston bracket or do you go for the four five matchup try to get home court in the first round uh Boston matchup be damned and the fact that we're even in that place I left them for Dad during that seven game losing streak the fact that we're here um it's just crazy and also with these teams in the East freef falling you're so right they have such an opportunity here to uh to seize a seed that I think that they look like that they were really careening towards the play in and now they're not they are firmly entrenched in this ma in this battle for uh what looks like potentially home court in the first round and I think that that should be the goal moving forward get that first series under your belt at home start at home finish at home um that that would be a real win uh I think psychologically too for this team to get all the way back up to that seed and and that's why those who say get the six if you can't get the three you get the six and you don't have to deal with Boston until the Conference Finals and I just don't agree with that you're gonna have to see Boston at some point anyway you're gonna have to see them at some point you're going through them one way or the other okay that's just the way that this is going to go and I don't think they have any fear of them so if you get them in the second round instead of the third I don't think I to me I I I don't I don't think that makes a big difference I would rather have the home Court to get this team going you've got a couple of new pieces who've not been with this team hak is going to play his first playoff game right you've got Rosier for the first time with you I just think they'd be so much better off even with the way they played on the road lately obviously winning five in a row at home Alex I'll let you close on this um G give me a path to winning in Denver oh God the toughest question of the night I'm I'm not looking forward to that game like you mentioned like them playing in Denver for as long as I've been watching the heat has been a scheduled loss no matter how you know good or bad they are and they're the reigning champs this time so I don't have high expectations for it just because of you know the the historical aspects of it and how good they are but really the path I guess is just low turnovers right that's that's a that's a path pretty much let's start with 13 on that because uh he bam can't have six turnovers against Denver that that'll be 20 point blowout and yeah that was a that was a problem tonight like The Heat had I believe 17 turnovers and and it kind of mitigated like you forcing the Blazers into 18 which would usually be really good but that that you know that margin needs to be bigger and I think that's more you know second night of a back toback playing one of the worst teams in the league I'm not expecting them to be making that many mistakes versus the nuggets and the heater are typically a pretty low turnover team anyways so I'm not too worried about that but specifically that's that's got to be like first things first then uh of course the defense and like it's just so hard to be really sharp versus them because they're constantly making you scramble and move and not to mention yic being kind of just like Mr Unstoppable out there where he's got kind of a counter and an answer to every which way you could possibly defend him it's kind of infuriating you know a team that can just you know you feel like you're doing a good job guarding them for most of a possession and then they'll just hit you like a back breaking shot at the end of a shot clock and it's just bringing me back to watching them in the finals and just being like man this is a team that's hard to um scheme up like problem I mean I mean solutions to the problems and that's kind of what I come back to so I guess just like you know be really sharp with the the defense don't turn over the ball you gotta hope that the ball movement if there is some right because you know the heat can kind of be up and down with that you gotta hope that the ball movement leads to um made threes right that's one of those like factors that that can put you up in a game you're supposed to win is like you just make more threes than the other team and by the way big Factor tonight uh the heat just looking at it really quick hit 56% of their threes and the Blazers hit 33 and that's not going to happen most likely against the Nuggets like you can't expect another 56% from three night um but like I'm more interested to see what are both Solutions because he obviously is known for like kind of going through different things and and different coverages and he did that versus the fin I mean versus yic in the finals last year so I'm interested to see what he leans on wouldn't be surprised if it's just like 70% 70% Zone as we've seen as as of late but um you know I just think there's a lot of different ways they can go with it and it's a completely different roster so to me like the Nuggets game is more of like a a curiosity thing for me and less of like okay this is what they have to do to beat him because I'm not really expecting win to be frank I wantan I want to get back to one thing we were talking about as we close here um the seven game losing streak okay I believe SPO is serious when he says he liked it as as crazy as that is like because coaches will say that stuff but they're not psychos he is I I really do think that they needed I go back and look at those seven games against the good teams they got rolled yeah it was so and and then they lost to some bad teams in that stretch or mediocre teams they looked like a bad basketball team for seven games and now all of a sudden they are doing the thing again they they're they're they're they're doing the thing again like you have a situation where you don't have Jimmy and hakz goes out get your 20 plus right takes over the game when he has to take it over and he didn't even do anything tonight right and again it's a bad Portland team and it's going to remain a bad Portland team and I don't think Joe cronin's gonna make it to next year and we're all going to look back at this Escapade and be like okay they you know everybody was right about what we said at the time except all the uh except W and all the Boston Riders um but I I it's incredibly impressive that they always get off the mat like this I'll just I'll just say that and and Greg we got to find it where where is it which episode was it that you wrote them off cuz that is going to find it's the turning point that from that episode forward this whole thing is turned around so I'll take credit all right so the no guts no guts um if right unlike water cleanup if you've got the schuts Greg does not have the guts all right uh thanks to Alex thanks to Greg thanks to Brady thanks for our sponsors yes we are trying to go live on all the road games uh the rest of the way so we'll see um this is the last well we Denver is going to be late too but uh 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