採訪 #王丹、 #金岩、 #李蘭菊、 #關卓中、 #楊若暉 #六四真相

The National Anthem of the People's Republic of China I speak of reform and opening up in the name of the economy. The main thing is that we observe China's own imagination, and place our hopes and expectations there. 35 years ago, when we were on the brink of bankruptcy, we swore that if we did not end the CCP's dictatorship and achieve democracy, we would not give up. 35 years ago, when I was 20 years old, I made this vow. To this day, I am ashamed that I did not fulfill this vow. But I did not give up. So I fulfilled my vow half-heartedly. Although China does not have democracy, I have not given up for 35 years. From this point of view, I have to speak in Taiwanese, and say it a little bit stinky. In fact, not many people can stick to one thing for 35 years. I did it. What Mr. Wang just said is very important. This movement has a high tide and a low tide. If you want to ask about the low tide, who is greater than Jesus in the world? Jesus had 13 disciples at that time. Sometimes I think it is very precious to be able to stick to one thing when there are few people. The only way to deal with fear is to face it, to overcome it, to conquer it. If you are not afraid, fear will be afraid of you. I come here once a year. I hope you don't wait for five years to come here. You have to come every year. Come here. Can you? Come here to show off. Can you? It started the so-called color revolution. This color revolution is also called singing revolution. Singing on the surface is a kind of soft resistance. But the softer things are like water, the more difficult it is to be cut by a sharp knife. So I think through some cultural things, including Hong Kong songs, such as the national anthem of Hong Kong, You came to Toronto five years ago, right? And the famous statue behind it was also there when it was built. This year is the 35th anniversary of the 36th anniversary. It was originally a more important anniversary. In fact, I also have a lot of feelings for Toronto. Toronto has a large community of Hong Kong people. So from the first year I came to the United States, I came here quite often. You just saw that there are also Hong Kong friends. So I still hope I can come here often. I used to come here quite often. I think I owe Hong Kong people to some extent. They have made so much effort. I have the obligation to cooperate with their activities. Can you talk about it? For 35 years, we all know that you have been insisting. So the CCP has been covering up the truth of the facts, covering up the history. What do you think is the special meaning of such activities I think holding such an event is actually an act of conscience. So how many people can come and how big a turning point I don't think it's the most important thing for me. This is what I should do every year at this time. This is my moral obligation. Yes, I think this is the first very important meaning. The second one, I think no matter how many people there are, as long as there are people standing here every year to do such activities, it will still show a meaning. That is to say, for so many years, we have not been completely defeated by the Communist Party. We still insist on this spirit. No matter if it's 35 years or 45 years, we all have this spirit. We can't save those students who died in the past. The only thing we can inherit from them is to continue this commemorative activity to let the world know the truth. We will continue to insist on it. 35 years ago, we all knew that the cause should be a demand that the Communist Party can still improve. Now we see that in 2022, the White Paper Movement students and adults have all shouted the slogan of the Communist Party's withdrawal. So, for so many years, do you think there has been a big change? Do you think that the Chinese are slowly awakening? I think the Chinese are gradually awakening. Because in the past, the CCP used its economic growth to cover up a lot of historical truths. Now, as the economy declines, the truth is slowly coming out. As time goes by, more and more young people will also wake up. Although the White Paper Movement has been suppressed, I think that in the future, we will still see the emergence of the new White Paper Movement. You have insisted for 35 years. There must have been some hardships and difficulties. Do you still have confidence in the Communist Party after its collapse? I think confidence is a very important weapon for us to fight for our rights. I won't lose my own weapon. I think we should have confidence in democracy itself. What do you hope for the new generation of young people? I think the new generation should at least have a basic common sense, that is, people in our society should live with freedom and dignity. You live in the West, you see that no matter what shortcomings the West has created, at least people live with freedom and dignity. We should also hope that the homeland we come from can also have the same treatment for the people. Hello, Mr. Ding. Can you introduce the Sixth Memorial Hall and how it was built? What was the original intention? The Sixth Memorial Hall was originally built in Hong Kong, but the CCP closed it down. So we think that if we don't do it, we, as the participants of the Sixth Memorial Hall, can't ask others to do it. Originally, the Hong Kong people did this for us, but the Communist Party closed it down. So after discussing with Wang Dan, we decided to rebuild the Memorial Hall in New York, and Wang Dan and I started to contact those who participated in the Sixth Memorial Hall, as well as some people from overseas who are passionate about Chinese democracy. We sent out a letter together. At first, there were about a dozen of us, and we sent out a joint proposal to donate to the whole society. We expected to donate 500,000 yuan. Because in Manhattan, if we want to open a Memorial Hall, we have to donate 500,000 yuan. Two years ago, we originally planned to donate 500,000 yuan in two years. At the time of the 35th anniversary of June 4th, the Memorial Hall was built, because the Chinese people are all crazy about martial arts and poetry. But we didn't expect that our money would soon be raised to 500,000 yuan. So last year, on the 34th anniversary of June 4th, our money had already been raised. As soon as the money was raised, we couldn't let it go. So we built the Memorial Hall last year. Over the past year, we have received a lot of visitors. How many people have you received this year? More than 1,000 people. Because each of us is a volunteer, we don't have a company, so each of us has a duty to open the Memorial Hall for two days a week. We can't open it every week. Because if we calculate it, if we have to pay a salary, maybe the money will run out soon. So we have to open the Memorial Hall for a longer period of time. I see. So were you also a witness at the time? Or did you personally experience it? Tiananmen Square. At that time, I was the team leader of the Tiananmen Square Intersection. The whole Tiananmen Square was surrounded by the Intersection. It was to prevent social workers from coming in, as well as some Chinese mutants from coming in to prevent the Tiananmen Square. Those who entered the Tiananmen Square had to show their student ID. So I was the team leader of the Intersection. As a person who experienced it personally, what was the most touching moment for you? What was the most touching moment in the entire student movement? I've said this in an interview before. I'll say it again. Because we were all sleeping there, eating there, sleeping and eating in the water. One morning, the sun had just risen. We were told that the army was going to attack. So we were all very nervous and tired that night. And then when we woke up, we were all very hungry. So we all shouted, Release all political prisoners! We are here to keep the truth alive! We are here to keep truth alive! That's the slogan we're going to be getting you to practice on June 1st as well. They go over here, everybody. We are here to keep truth alive! When we got here, the kids said, Are you hungry? And then they gave us a bowl of millet porridge. And then there were steamed buns and pickles. It was very simple. But they said, Are you hungry? We were really hungry. We were all 20-year-olds at that time. Think about it. So I said, let's eat. Thank you, thank you, thank you. And then I looked at that little girl. The little girl was probably stuttering. I said, little sister, have you eaten yet? She said she hadn't eaten yet. So I took a steamed bun and gave it to the little girl. I said, you eat, too. My grandmother wouldn't let me eat. I said, you eat, too. This is for these big brothers. I was very touched. Because what we do, ordinary people support us so much. It means what we do is right. Yes. There was a voice, a boy's voice. He cried and said, Classmates, they're shooting at us. They're shooting at us Uyghurs. They're really shooting. Now I'm holding this bloodstain. It's my classmate. He was shot when he was trying to save us. I'm holding this bloodstain to tell you that they're really shooting now. What should we do now? I can't. I've made a promise. I'm standing in the air of this ambulance. I'm going to do it every year. I'm going to say it no matter what. And then the truth will come out. What is the truth? It's the time of peace in China. The Chinese Communist Party used the army of evidence to open fire on its people, the people who had no weapons. They used these heavy weapons, machine guns and tanks to suppress these people. So the truth will come out. What is the truth? It's the time of peace in China. The time of peace in China. The Chinese Communist Party used the army of evidence to open fire on its people, the people who had no weapons. They used these heavy weapons, machine guns and tanks to suppress these people. So this debt must be paid by them. So this history must be kept. After the implementation of the National Security Law, the Uyghurs can no longer have the candlelight of commemorating June 4th. For more than 30 years, Hong Kong people have been insisting on commemorating June 4th. Why do you think it is so important to commemorate June 4th? Of course, I think everyone thinks Commemorating June 4th is a national mourning day. It is a historical landmark in China. We can't forget it. Thank you very much to Hong Kong people for maintaining the candlelight ceremony for so many years. This spirit has brought us a lot of people. You just heard we sang the National Anthem of Hong Kong loudly. This is a very moving thing. We hope more young people will continue to come out not only to commemorate the anti-extradition and anti-National Security Law activities in Hong Kong in 2019, but also to understand the history. There was a June 4th tragedy 35 years ago. Do you think it is important to build such a statue of the Democratic Feminist in Toronto? Every year, we have commemorative activities here to offer flowers. Not only in Canada, but also around the world, including Australia and the United States, there are actually Democratic Feminist statues everywhere. Ideal, passion, responsibility, and courage. I think in addition to these four spirits, there are actually some other spirits. These four spirits can cover a wide range of aspects. On the other hand, not only do we do sports, but we should have such a spirit in everything we do. No matter what, we will pursue the truth. We will pursue the truth. No one is innocent. I would like to thank Wang Dan for helping us to build this statue. I would like to thank Wang Jinghao and Wang Dan. Especially Wang Dan, who has been with us for so many years. After he was released from prison in 1997, he came to visit us. Come to the front. The first year.