Show Us Your DuB! Ep.6 - The Story of Gertrude 1961 VW Beetle

so hey folks welcome back to show us your dub podcast I am with Mark and Debbie Garrett Mark contacted me probably a good year or so ago uh about his 61 turquoise Beetle uh this is definitely a beetle that's been in his family for quite some time and uh it's a beautiful piece and we finally got around to doing this podcast so I'm going to introduce Mark and Debbie guys how are you and what's happening in the world with your dub hey Chris very good it's nice to finally get this uh rolling up here after a year of attempts and trying and so forth so this is this is fun so I'm glad we can we can do this so yeah so tell me about your bug I mean I got it briefly from an email from me and I do have some photos I'm gon to share with the audience here but um I mean I we I love turquoise we've worked on turquoise bugs before 61 is a unique year uh I mean if people don't know it's it's the last year of the snowflake tail lights right um it's the first year of the 40 horse stale air version of the 40 horse which is also kind of unique and rare in its own sense and um one uh standout feature too is it it still has no gas gauge correct that's correct yeah when I got it from my dad he had actually retrofitted a lot of later model stuff to it one the first things did I Rec for fitted it back to the correct look for a 61s the first thing I did was take the gas out and hook the reserve back up and uh it works so you just have to what I do is I just check the gas every time I leave so sure yeah that that's the one tank that's the flat tank because you know 60 still had the camel hump tank from the 50s and the 61 was the is the flat tank but with no float you know in it so if you could find that tank those are rare tanks to find yeah you're right come to think of it that's right so yeah there's a nuances in the 61 and again to the Casual person you wouldn't see that but one of the weird things too the front transmission mount that goes between the frame and the front of the nose pone is a one- year old bount and oh no kidding I didn't know that you better pray you don't need it because I think I might be coming up on that and I'm still looking so that's just weird obscure things like that they did and like you say this is a there's a lot of changes on the 61 which obviously the biggest being the up the upgrade to the 40 horse engine so okay yeah did you do anything to the engine as far as um upgraded performance- wise big boore anything like that yeah when I got this car from my dad back in 95 when he lived in North Carolina he had a workshop out back and the original engine that this car set on the floor for a long time the problem was being an original 40 horse the cam bards in the case were wed out and nobody back there was doing line boring for can bearings so the engine just finally disappeared I don't know what ever happened to it so what's in here now is a uh single port 1500 case and then it's got bumped up to 1641 cylinders so gotcha okay okay so that's fresh air or you kept it stale air look it is fresh air so it's uh it looks period correct but obviously it's got the updated one of the things he did he updated it to 12 volts so you know he did a lot of things like that the one thing didn't do he didn't update the brake system to a dual circuit brake system so I don't know why he didn't do that but he didn't so okay yeah so you guys are from uh Columbus Ohio area right yeah okay and this car's always been in that area and and it's you you mentioned about your father finding this car yeah I did the birth certificate uh about a year ago uh the new version of birth certificate they have and and a couple things I didn't know uh the history of the car it was imported to Texas originally and that was in 61 so there's about an 11e span how it ended up in North Carolina I don't know so okay when my father was working at the BW dealership which was Henderson Volkswagen in Charlotte uh like I say he was the body man there and it was abandoned out back of the body shop somebody just left the car ha so he talked to the dealership what he wanted to do initially was make a race car out of it and he wanted the dealership to sponsor the race car and yeah I'm going to share my screen right now and show the folks the pictures of that okay if they see that is that the race car right there do you see it is that the red one yeah well that's not this car so that was oh that was when uh it's a long story personal wise but that's when he still lives in Ohio he built a circle track car out of that car it was a 65 or six I think oh I see okay so heed he wanted to do something similar to this and thank God they turned him down because it probably wouldn't be sitting here now if that was the case so and that's your that that's your pop right there huh yeah yeah yeah yeah notice notice the high-tech safety equip with a leather strap around the door yeah oh right here yeah yeah that's hilarious no hun device back then so yeah yeah that's so funny so that's what he Vision with this car and then once they turned him down he just decided to go ahead and restore it of course back in the day it was more a fix up than a restore but yeah it wasn't that old of a car back then so you know of course back in the day you went after the dealership you got new parts you put them on he had a paint booth accessible to him so it was a lot simpler back in the day to do this with o Parts because that's really over was back yeah unlike the the video I did recently talking about the parts today and the situation that that we are up against um with the quality of parts today is getting very very scary in my eyes um it's terrible it's terrible yeah I mean especially when it comes to safety features and things like that so but um this is you guys in front of your beauty yeah you know what when I got this car from my father back in 95 he had all these accessories he had never put on the car he had the fender skirts he had the pop out windows he had the stone guards he had all these things that they never put on the car and when I got it from him I said yeah you know all that stuff's going to go in the car when to get it so and he was fine with that but yeah one of the things speaking about afterm Market pars and so forth the pop out one is when I got them from my dad they were wrapped in uh like a brown tissue paper with the par stick they're no oh wow and they must fit beautifully yeah oh they do well although 61 again that was the last year that they didn't free drill holes for those hinges yeah so you had to drill Debbie and I had a fun afternoon drilling holes and she'd stand outside and hold the window in place and that was some nerve-wracking work but yeah we got them on and it's oh they're beautiful they're just they fit so nice hey Debbie do you do you drive the car at all every once in a while um I don't drive it very often I'm more of a V8 person and it doesn't quite have the speed that I like but okay I I got married late in life and I always I told myself once you see the try toy room I said the first woman that comes down these steps and thinks this is cool I'm G to marry her she walked down the steps and she goes this is really neat I go well we're getting married Ah that's great yeah you spoke to me about you spoke to me about your toy collection uh I'm gonna thumb through the pictures right here guys if how many years did it take you to put this collection together it's about 40 years of collection so wow yeah now the reason the reason I did that although I never anticipated it would get this out of control is in 85 886 I restored and fixed up a 68 calic bug it was a popular thing to do back then so I did that uh and then when I finished that I wanted something to do but I wasn't ready for another restoration so I just wanted something to do within the hobby so I started collecting toys and one thing led to another here we are and shot right here I encourage him to buy toys so yeah she's worse than I am she'll call me out and go you gotta look at this and I'll go to the website oh you're right i' gotta get that so yeah and look I I'm still into toys I mean even at my like I got toys behind me I got RC Volkswagen toys toys that I could actually run with uh but most of the time they're shelf Queens just kind of like what you have but um the one decision I made when I started that was guys go one of two ways they either buy to buy and sell and trade or they buy just to enjoy the toy for what it is and I made that decision yeah I don't I mean you need people to buy and sell because that's how you get a lot of the toys but I said you know what I'm going to take them out of the box I'm going to enjoy them I'm going to display them nicely and that's the decision I made so I've saved some of the more expensive boxes but everybody always ask if I saved the boxes and I said well look at the size of this room I would need another room just for boxes and I don't have them so so I just decided to enjoy them for what they are so all right so why don't we take a trip down to your toy collection and you can get behind the camera and describe to us what you got here we are at the base of the uh basement steps for entering the toy room uh there's a few antique ads and so forth on the walls leading down to the toy room and as you enter the lobby this is the warmup for the main room here we have display cases of uh different sizes of beetles buses uh anything VW or Porsche related is displayed when I started I tried to keep all the groups together the bugs the buses the carag and so forth but as it's expanded it's sort of hard to do that so I still try to have main group in but it's sort of everything is everywhere after a certain point so I always like people that come down here for the first time because they think that this this is the main toy room well it's a nice warmup and it's a nice presentation but that's not the main toy room main toy room so here we go this is 40 Years of collecting uh it would take hours to point out specific things but a couple of uh big oversights uh one when we swing back around to the on side of the room the caraga poster was from the dealership in North Carolina that my father worked at Henderson Volkswagen and they were going to throw that out and my dad had it uh in his garage for years it was damage it was wrinkled so I flattened it out the best I could cleaned the original frame up and it's the perfect focal point of the room for the kagia display so there are many people that want that poster and they're not going to get it so it's just a nice accent to the room so uh like I said it's a 40-year collection uh probably about 4,000 pieces and uh it's constantly changing about every 6 months to a year I will add some cases some display items uh areas that are always expanding uh the center island is one of the latest editions over the last several years it's a nice Edition to still keep the room open but have a lot of storage space to use but being a collector that's always the number one problem you always need more space that's what we've got so if you swing around to the next little room that's the combination trophy room and uh some additional toys now the main focus is vws and Porsches there is one exception that I make and it's an obscure little niche uh with the collecting world is the auto Union and uh Audi race cars so and the Berlin to Rome car up there obviously but just a lot of uh race cars over the years the auto unions are fascinating from a historical standpoint from the mid-30s to the late 30s before the war kicked in they were uh just unbelievably engineered cars by Dr Porsche so that's one of my few exceptions I Veer off to collect those but uh other than that like I say I try to keep focused on the BW and Porsche Niche mainly VW uh the other thing in this room are trophies from over the years of going to car shows uh probably 35 years total uh a few of them are from my 68 Cal bug uh some of them are from our 67 camper we had for a while but the majority are from Gertrude she's quite the popular gal so incredible toy collection you got there I mean how long you said 40 years to get to get back to to make to get that collection was there any of those to did you have to build any of those I've got a of model kits I haven't built yet I I told myself if I retired two aprils ago and I said I would start building them and that's two and a half years ago and I haven't done that yet so I probably need to do that at some point I got some some rare kits I mean the majority were available back in the 80s and 90s so the big redel the uh I think it's a 16 scale Gia and Beetle are really nice so I'll probably start with that some of the Lego stuff are real popular stuff but yeah a lot of the stuff you get to a point where I'm really selective now what I collect a lot of limited editions and you know just high-end stuff because you come to a point where you just run out of room a right yeah I know I probably need another rock back here I have another space here with some more RC's I just picked up a really cool gem these are the ones you built so back in the day in the 80s this was the highlight of the 80s these RC cars and this is the monster Beetle and found pretty mint and we had to build these when were kids yeah you know this was I sat with my dad and in the kitchen and we had all the little screws and all the you know little bolts and just laid out and um this was the hottest thing back then so this is memories for me this is my era and and working with my dad on these things and then actually having to run them changing the motors and the speed controllers and that kind of thing so yeah it's just it's super fun I mean it just it brings you back in time you know it's just an enjoyable hobby that's all you know really you learned a lot mechanical essential stuff like soldering and and on those things you had suspension set up and different settings and gear and stuff like that so well previous to that back in the 60s and 70s I raced slot cars so it's a similar application as far as the engineering and things you learn I mean things to this day that I go I refer back to some of that knowledge I got back then so now do you pass any Volkswagen slot cars I know you said you had the radio controlled but the slot cars are really interesting too yeah they are I've never no I've never gotten into slot stuff my dad used to do slot stuff in Brooklyn yeah you know when he was younger uh but no I I've I've been strictly RC from when the 80s came in 80s and 90s when the Heyday the Golden Age the RC age they call it um that's that's what I grew up with but I guess that's part of yeah like we got handy you know and then I could work on the the real bug you know it just um and with these you know with the little pieces you know you work because the Volkswagen has a lot of little pieces you know and I my my strength is in the Cosmetic stuff you know the door handles and the seat upholstery the headliners the tops all the little pieces that put all that stuff together I think that you know thankfully since working on those cars back in the 80s the little cars that's helped me with the with the cars today you know so um speaking of your car it what was the restoration period on that 61 so my dad uh acquired the car back in summer 73 and he finished it up in 74 so I mean obviously he was working full-time at the body shop at the dealership then so I'm sure he would do a lot of weekend stuff and after hours and all that so probably about a year for the initial build now the uh the condition of the car is there's never had any rust panels replaced on it uh it's had the section underneath the battery replaced which is not uncommon but everything else all the all the body panels are original uh from' 61 there's no aftermarket parts on the body at all so okay very good and so that I can't believe that paint still holding up since 74 yeah when I got it from my dad he uh we were talking and it had sat under a cport for a couple of years so it had basic protection but it it needed some attention especially being a single stage so he goes you know you'll probably have to repaint that when you get it back home and go you know what I'm going to work with this a while and it took took about a week to to bring it back to what you see now but it's it's uh it's held up really well and I just the fact that my dad painted that I cannot bring myself to repaint that so yeah wow that's very very cool and then I saw on the inside um the steering wheel is like the darker shade of green now I know I think it was 61 only maybe they did that um well and I sort to take a uh a note from your uh contrast book and you do interior so the correct color for that I think it's called ice blue and it's a like a medium not a dark not a white blue it's not a very distinctive color but when I put the TMI interior in with the turquoise and the plad I went ahead and just did the dark green steering wheel just as contrast so gotcha okay because that is a unique thing I think it's only 61 if I'm not mistaken if anybody can correct me you want to leave it in the comment section below I thought it was only 61 where they kind of did that where they made a shade off from the color of the car on the steering wheel of the column the E bra you know all that stuff um actually cool it's supposed to have a the E bra rubber uh boot is supposed to be a turquoise also oh wow yeah good luck finding that I don't know do they even repop that I don't even know not the turquoise no when I got the car from my dad the rear mat was turquoise and and somehow the front had gotten replaced but the rear mat was the original mat and he had D he had sprayed black dye over it so I started to scrub it and I go that's the original mat so wow but just got the wolburg West the two-piece uh vinyl four covering so it's just the M okay okay I like to find somebody that could could dye those I don't know how easy that would be that's a lot of material to done ium you know I have a car a fellow down here in pompo beach that has a 66 pagali interior off white beetle has got the red pagali interior he actually painted the rubber mats the red color um it looked a little too shiny uh to some degree it could have should have probably been like more of a matte color or flat color uh but they have the they have paints out there to work on rubber so they do but I would think still over time I mean it's it it it's going to crack uh I would think over time but if you want to try to get as close as you can I mean there are options for you and and so when did you update the interior uh that would have been about 15 years ago it's been a while okay so one of the things the TMI kit when you look at this when I'll show you the interior the it's actually for a 65 and later so the seats on a 65 later are shorter than the seatbacks and well also the door cars are longer than this because the windows were shorter on the sides so I took it to the upholstery place they had to add on about four inches of uh corresponding green area on the bottom to make everything work so gotcha okay that's one of the things when I ordered the kit I go well it should fit until I got everything out and I go Ah that's why it doesn't fit so then I took it to the upholster guys and they sewed everything up and made it look really good so oh that's good oh very good so that car has never been off the chassis it's it's always been together that's correct one things I when I got it back in 95 I took some 3M body sealer the black body the 3M Ma I cleaned up that seam are and just resealed everything but it's it's watertight it's never any leaks on at all so oh that's awesome that's awesome yeah just fun to drive I'll tell you yeah that's awesome um as you said it's also one of those things that you don't ever want to take it out and go to the gas station and not want to be bothered because you're GNA talk for about a half hour when she pull out to the gas station everybody has a no doubt no doubt about it yeah so but uh Debbie you don't you drive stick I'm assuming I do oh very good it's a you're you're a rare bird these days it's like a dying art right we have it is our daily driver has paddle shift and she goes that's not shifting I don't you have a clutch you shouldn't be shifting yeah right right very cool I don't know whether it shows up in this shot or not but when we do the walk around at gertude uh gertude shares a garage with Debbie's uh 2005 Mercedes CLK converted so okay that's uh she she likes the speed and I like to put arounds there you go oh that's hilarious I we have been to a couple sh shows that are By Invitation Only like Concourse shows and it's hard to get them to accept gude the way that she is because she has period accessories even though it's period accessories and you've got nine VW people judging these classes and you talk to your blue in the face but they just don't get it so yeah I I get that too when I go to shows was I have some accessories on my Beatles and yeah for the most part I mean we we're putting accessories on these cars that would have normally never had you know again these were not pretty cars at the time they were they were daily drivers point A to point B so there was no you know a bling to put on them but they were offered and I I do have a book that's about this thick that has Pages upon pages of so many accessories that were offered for these cars just go to the dealership and you could have gotten these accessories so I do have to explain that to the showgoers that that because most people just remember the car being a plain Jane car right you know even even White Walls they don't realize that white walls were offered and because most people didn't see white walls on a beetle right yeah now I go back and forth these are new Coker bias pies and believe me I I thought long and hard to replace the ones that were on there and I thought you know for no more than I drive the car they're adequate I mean they ride soft it's a nice soft drive but directionally well it's it's a two-hand to drive so you got to hang on so yeah no that's I usually get their coca radial tires they're not cheap they're like 220 225 a piece now um I mean there are cheaper Brands out there that I pointed out in my videos but I do want to tell people that they even saying a disclaimer on those even the radials that do not take this car out with these radios in within Clement weather with even rain so the gripping is not great and then the White Walls they start to yell pretty quickly on those cheaper tires so it's the old saying you get what you pay for but know if you are on a budget you know you could go with those tires um you yeah yeah now before we got the CER tires though they had portal walls that you could just buy the the white wall and put it on your black Tire right and we did that for a lot and do you know the story about Porter walls and why you probably shouldn't run them well they do fly out I mean I pointed it out in my videos we used to put them on our my early Restorations um and yeah if you're still on a budget but yeah they were popular back in the day that's why I went with the first ones that I did the thing is we were at a show years ago up in Michigan and it was a a porta wall on a radial tire so you've got the somewhat of a puffy sidewall and this guy walks up and he says check this out he pulled the Porta wall back they had cut into the sidewall yeah they do yep that's I say they're more for puddle jumping around town going out for ice cream you know keeping it you know 30 miles hour 40 miles an hour but know highway driving they're really not ideal they'll do exactly what you say and they start to fray even on the edges of them he said the one happen was he said if you get into a panic situation and slam on the brakes the sidewalk would just rip sure so that's I think we came home that weekend and I ordered the Coker wide white so y yeah they they're fine for a budget and they're like I said they're fine for just going out to the store or something but if you're going up at 60 65 miles an hour something like that right yeah you're playing with fire there you know it's it's one of those things uh and they do yellow too you got to keep up on them and a lot of that that are made today they don't even feel like rubber anymore they feel like a plastic uh compound um poker's a Quality Tire so you're again you're gonna get what you pay for so I will say unfortunately when I got this car from my dad he had 67 rims on it which were a little bit wider and he had radial tires on it and Bo do a thing run nice when it's got that setup on it so yeah I got radials even on my 504 convertible on the stock wheel and it just it feels like it it coasts it floats you know it it's the bumps takes the bumps well it's not you're not going with the crack in the road you know with the bias even though I know the bias is more period correct looking you know you got to draw the line somewhere when it comes to practicality and safety you do so know my my idea would be if we ever do any driving tours uh is to get this a separate set of 67 wheels and some nice radios and just you know swap them out that would be the ideal so yeah so last question I got for you what where did you get the name from it is my father's mother's name so it was my grandmother on my father's side gotcha and I mean when you look at her that that's gery right there that's that's a g old German girl yeah yeah people used to make fun of me when I used to name my Beatles like why you name the beetle I'm like how do you not look at it and think it's a character you know it's totally a character it's got to have a name what are you kidding it is and you know it's funny even to this day when I'm at shows or just driving around kids to this day still love these cars they love the shape it's cute they want to touch it and it's it's just I mean to this day it's still it's still a a fun car I and that's why I hope it can still keep the youth engaged because I mean I can go to car shows and you know when I see the girlfriends or the wives on the on the you know the the guy's arm and they don't know anything about cars but when they see a beetle they know exactly what it is you know so and they think it's adorable and they want one you know it's it's one of those things so I hope this keeps the longevity of the car you know I hope so yeah we have we have a real active car culture in Columbus Ohio within a probably 50 mile radius we got 15 to 20 shows every weekend during the summer so most of those are multi make shows but uh you know it's it's an act of car culture and it's uh I'm the same way when I see somebody that you know you think that they're really interested in the history of the car and the mechanics and so forth I definitely take the time to talk that up and it's the fact that they show the interest which is good that's what you want to see yeah we need to keep it alive because I've had this conversation before I I have no crystal ball I really hope there's still another five 10 maybe more years of interest in this car I don't want it to die off like say the Model T or the model A which doesn't have much interest anymore um right you know because that generation is kind of gone so but I this does tend to cross some generations the other thing is with some modifications I mean this you can daily Drive these cars and you can't do that with the mark 2 so no exactly exactly yeah notely and and as much as like the parts are not as great today there's still a ton of parts that you can buy to put these together I mean you know you don't have to dig too much if you if you if you have a 60s 7s model Beetle the parts are still readily available um you know certain aspects like fuel injection stuff is getting a little scarce but it is and finding people to work on that particular setup because it's not as simple as a car Breer obviously so so uh my club members would be really upset with me if I didn't do a little spiel about our local Club here uh okay so the name of the club is the central Ohio vintage Volkswagen club uh it's the same club that Doug Barber is in and active in uh we started about 35 years ago uh mainly local but we have members all the surrounding states but the reason we started it was is this was pre-internet days and we started it to put people in contact with each other that had Parts had Services had things that they could offer different people from the club to keep these things going even back then it was starting to be a network type of a deal where you know you needed to know somebody who could do a poster you could do body or whatever so that's why the club started and it's 35 years and going and it's it's an active Club so we're very we're very blessed to still continue so oh that's great you know like you're talking about a time when even when I started you know early internet late 90s early 2000s when I started the business and yeah there was not much on the internet you know to to learn about these cars so I had to get books or I was I bought the whole you know VHS tapes uh series at the time from the bug me videos jbugs hads videos yeah and you know you had a you had a spend money to learn and get this knowledge now today I think we take it for granted you know that there's information at our fingertips in our hands right now like we're out in the garage and we we got a problem we could just look it right up on the phone and there going to be a YouTube video and you know I tell that to people you know for 20 years or so 17 18 years I've been on YouTube giving out this information you know prior to this you know you you had to go to the library or maybe take out something or or look at a book you know it it was one of those things I think we uh we definitely take it for granted today that we got you know so much uh you know useful information free information at our fingertips uh so the kids especially the kids today because it's always been there for them right they don't know anything else my age we appreciate the the trajectory of how that's gone I know when I built back in the 80s when I built my 68 calic bug you know you get the your copy of VW Trends or hot vws and you go back to the advertisers and you order four fenders and two weeks later they show up on the UPS truck and you had to write a check to do that and that's that was how the transactions went and it wasn't instantaneous so no I know we definitely defin there is a spoiled nature to it today you know and and I tell people all the time I like you know back in the day you you would have spent a lot of money to to to learn this or take a course or something to learn all this now it's right here for you so yeah uh but uh but it's cool that you got a club like that that goes back prior to all that stuff and you know you still keep some of those traditional methods right um and still networking is great right face communication yeah we still have an honest God newsletter that gets nailed out every month that's on paper it's old school uh so again we've been blessed so the original found members there 12 guys that started the club and as the years go on you get burned out and get tired and just when the original people say you know what let's do one more car show and be done with it you get this new group of people that energize things and it just it sort of feeds on itself after a while so we've been blessed over the years to have some really good younger people we have a gal up in Cleveland Ohio that does our our club website which is professional level uh we have Doug Barber does the historian stuff we have a fellow that works at a print shop that does the newsletter print a newsletter so it's again it's a nice mix of talented people to keep this thing going so great some of the founding members or several of the founding members are still active in the club our oldest member is 92 oh that's awesome and our youngest is probably probably early 20s oh I was thinking the kids the babies of the oh that's true probably one or two years old yeah we've got the whole rain that'd be great hopefully those kids keep it alive man that'd be great but as far as your car last question um you guys planning on keeping it forever or passing it down y well we always said we'd give it to our grandson because he was the first one that showed any interest in um cars in general uh but it'll probably go to one of our kids and then they can pass it on to whoever they want to so yeah that'd be great well I'd love to see you guys I don't know if you could do it but come to my full foliage Cruise love to have you on the Run uh definitely doing it again this October I'm flying up from New York once again that is a hot cruise that we do every year like I think I'm on my 13th year with that and I've seen I've seen their videos and it's just breathtaking country it really is it's really out of the one time I do like it up in the Northeast when the fall is around for just a few weeks the beautiful colors yeah uh it is a good time and it's great weather for driving the air cool you know yeah perfect weather yeah yeah so if you can I people come from all over the country they just they trailer their bug they put it on a trailer or something or you know and they they ship it and or they drive it um I mean we've had a couple come down from Canada 24 hours they drove in a bus to and we've had people drive up in in type twos with their buses from Florida so um yeah it's it's awesome it's a nice following and and I I really haven't changed the route I people asked me you know some of the guys who want to come back on the cruise they like hey why don't you change the route I'm like I'd like to but um there's people that have never been on it and theyve seen the videos and they want to travel that route right uh so I just kind of keep it that way and it it's kind of I ironed it out where we bypass a lot of the troubling stops that you might you know come across when when you're driving these long cruises you know with lights and things and losing people so you know over the years we've kept most most of the time people have been staying together so it's a good route but that makes a difference I know when we've tried to Caravan with people if you get more than about 10 cars it's impossible you had stop separated all that kind but yeah I mean if the Wrath that you got Works stick with it so two years ago we had I don't know 72 or 73 cars show up wow and it was a whole train man to see these cars going up the road I mean uh and for the most part we stayed together so you know as long as uh people keep up I mean some people start sightseeing and they're looking off to the side and they're losing their place in line but um yeah yeah so well listen guys it was great having you on the podcast uh love you Carr gertude is awesome it's in a great family and uh keep the dream alive and keep passing down the message to the youngsters and uh that's what's going to keep this hobby going yep thanks again for having us I'm glad we finally got this going after a year so it's been fantastic so yeah I appreciate it guys thanks so much bye thanks bye [Music] he