Experimental 2-piece Takedown Bow Design For Archery

so I had an idea to make a two-piece bow this is how I treat my bows but instead of starting from scratch I was curious if I could take a bow that I've already made and turn it into a two-piece bow hey if you're new my name's CR amens thanks for joining me today we're going to make a two-piece bow out of the single Hickory bow so first I think of probably the most common way with a sleeve but then I don't have one of those on hand the second option is some sort of Dow generally a metal Dow that's a clip and lock system you clip it together twist and then it locks into place that looks really clean but again I don't have that on hand and those are proven and work out great but I was curious if I could make a two-piece bow coming up with some sort of solution just from things in the shop it's a little nerve-wracking cuz I don't want to ruin a good bow but I kind of have to temporarily ruin it in order to make it the two-piece bow and ultimately I'm just guessing on a design of what could work so here's what I'm thinking I first want to beef up the handle if I'm going to join the together in a way that I can remove them I don't want that joint to be flexing I had the idea of putting a hinge on somehow and hinging it back that way which sounded so cool at the moment but I just don't see a very practical use for that so instead I'm thinking of using a wooden dowel but if I use a circular dowel then it can still twist so what if I use like a square dowel is that a dowel anymore now this would be inlaid inside of this of course I need to beef this up and make this a little bit smaller but if that's the case then these two pieces can clip together and with it being the shape it'll keep the top and the bottom aligned and keep it from rotating like a dow would would rotate the chances are pretty high that this Design's going to change here in a couple minutes I'm not positive on the details but I am pretty positive that I want to add more material to make it a non-bending handle and then make sure the tiller still looks good so let's add some material as step one the modern 2 Tak down bow as we know it today began to take shape in the 20th century The Invention was largely driven by the needs of bow hunters and archery Enthusiast who wanted a bow that could be easily transported in a backpack or on a plane this led to the development of bows that could be broken down into multiple pieces this makes the bow much easier to transport and store additionally these bows are often designed so that they can be reassembled quickly without any loss of accuracy or performance the heat strips doing its thing but realize because you're making a video about something doesn't mean you know anything about it I do know how to make bows like this this this this this this this even this send you back to oage bow or this or the bow for my son this this these these you're not going to cut one of those in half are you no this those limbs like these or this and this and long 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just glued onto this bow welcome to the Kramer ammon's YouTube channel where 80% of the videos are your ideas welcome to the Kramer am's YouTube channel where we protect our lungs welcome to the so after brainstorming many methods here's the one I'm leaning towards attempting I told my brother that I'm suffering from paralysis of the analysis because I don't want to break the bow and then he said break it okay give me some more options here uh that's what I said break the bow have you ever done something that feels like a [Music] sin look how good those glue joints were though huh I think strategy wise it makes the most sense to build the mechanism of the take down part of the bow and then refocus on tillering because things could slightly adjust and you know what I like to do working an absolute disaster of a mess that way you look busy or stupid and disorganized then you can't find things and all you do is look for things instead of doing things so this is our backbone this will be the strength of the entire bow right here the key when gluing things together is to make sure you don't get full coverage that way as Cass said we can make sure we break it just like that it's really easy then wrap it in plastic so it doesn't cure then we'll see you in 3 years if you're using heat strip don't use plastic and also you might want a temperature regulator and don't leave it on things that it will melt cuz it will watch this in 1927 a patent for a two-piece steel bow was filed hm Willcox invented this two-piece still bow often with a cork handle and they actually actually got this bow to mass production here's a fascinating ad from 1931 it reads True Temper steel bows are forged from the super alloy steel hand tempered and tested they combine the power of the ancient armor-piercing bows of the East with the accuracy of the famous English Longbow they bring three great advantages to the sport of Kings number one they are practically unbreakable from normal use number two their power and accuracy is unchanged by the weather hot cold wet or dry and number three they are quickly demountable therefore easy and convenient to carry I found this fascinating B International has a great article on it if you want [Music] more do you see this this thought process I did not think through remember this for later [Music] I was thinking to get it working and then I can shape it all down [Music] together cuz the pins will keep it and line as well this is how I treat my bows my idea was to add this Sal piece of fiberglass and have pins hold it in place if everything goes as planned which it always does for me should be able to just shimmy this down in there so my uh measurement wasn't great the uh there it's stepped now all right guys this will not work we'll see you on the next video I don't think I'd even string it I first noticed the fire glass was not strong enough look at that it obviously wouldn't work why did I think it would the fiberglass would have to be so thick that it's just non-bending and I made it thick enough where it would be like 130 lb bow but for the one Center section yeah for the once intersection that's not enough just cuz you have the big lever which I don't know what that force is here but when you've got 34 in breaker bar I don't even know where to go with this try something different the sleeve just makes the most sense you know like what's on the market already maybe that's why they do it so I'm going to let you string it I'm going to let you try it completely this is basically just going to make it a Bend through handle I don't think it's going to work there you go remember earlier when I said remember this moment some of you caught this I knew that was going to split right there because after I glued it up I was like that's the only section there the only part holding it why did I put it cuz would ideally have it in the main handle and that's the problem without starting from the scratch but in the main handle then it would have to split the full length now all you got to do is put your limb bolts through here yeah there you go and then we're good to go I know who you are somebody commented 3 minutes into the video this will never work and you were right so this is where I wanted to quit the video but we're not like that so here's version two [Music] [Music] I've been doing a lot of research on the two-piece bows that are on the market and I've found out that they're very expensive and that's probably due to the difficulty of building them I think the uniqueness of two-piece bows holds more value than the practicality of it which is sometimes hard for me to get on board with because I'm such a practical thinker if you're someone who uses a two-piece bow let me know where it's more valuable than a three-piece takedown I would love to know your opinion [Music] this method may not be practical for the average person but because of having a lot of scrap fiberglass and extra Hardware it made it easy for me to make so it feels to me that the inserts just took up too much material or took out too much material rather that the weak point will be in line there where all those inserts are but maybe it's strong enough let's try it so first things first we'll put a string on this okay more promising than the previous Method Man well let's just break it like Cass said because I was able to Reign the handle together it should have a pretty close to perfect tiller so let's start drawing it down and what I'm looking for I'm I'm actually not looking for as much as I'm listening for for any crackling it's not flat let's wedge it there we go so let's see what happens here okay so that's 20 lb and it's looking solid the handle actually looks like it's stiff which is what I was going for it's 28 lb there's 30 I believe this one was like a 45 I think something around there at the full length I'm just easing it in let's go to 25 in now okay that's 25 in 33 lb it's looking pretty good full draw 40 lb now what I'm going to do next is clean up these sides so that it'll be able to grab and shoot it let's do that this time I added two extra pieces of fiberglass as well as two inlays of wood this should make it much stronger did I just make a mistake I removed all that excess but now is it too thin I don't know let's test it real quick if it's not too thin I'm going to clean up these edges just to make it look good and then we'll line it up properly and make it feel good so what I did is mostly necessary because it needs to be thinner so that I can shoot it please be strong okay looking good so far surely it'll work I'm watching it with you guys looks like it's working okay I'm going to clean this up properly and then we'll do a little final reveal here and see if this would be a good practical solution but before that there would be two more options here one one would be instead of four bolts to just have two and then have this bottom piece part of the original handle it just would need to be solid enough that it wouldn't lift the other thing you could do is if you didn't want to have to use an allen key to adjust it you could use uh knobs on bolts that make them specifically for like three piece taked down bows then you would have a two-piece bow that has Hardware but you could remove the hardware without a tool [Applause] so this doesn't actually work I'm just going to do it for the thumbnail okay just to show people you think it works you want to try I'll try it I've actually drawn it to 828 I haven't shot it though think you're shooting with an open grip it's not uncomfortable no noises there were some noises it was just settling in I drew it to 28 uh multiple times man whose group was this you that pretty good it's all right that sounded pretty good what do you think boss I think that is a beautiful bow don't Li yeah not bad it shoots good the handle uncomfortable cuz it's a square the threaded inserts were going to poke through so I had to do them short and then add pockets on the back side of this so that it sits in that makes sense but yeah it shoots good I know the bow shoots good I just needed to know if like it would break so you make cast P yeah I'm surprised it worked he was fully expecting this thing to just AB fold in your hand splinters going everywhere step one don't take it apart before you take the string off but let's see what this takes to move it so I don't know if this is practical at all I think the practicality is just the ease of packing it up storing it and transporting it but it's all you have to do and then if you want to store these you can totally just screw them in here so Grayson that's the oh well the take down you can stuff that anywhere yeah so here I cut out the little sockets cuz I these were going to get close to going all the way through and I did want it to go all the way through uh cuz I thought it would be too weak so that slides into that so which helps you align it actually would have helped a lot if you just had a little bit more of a handle to start with yeah I think if I had a handle start with it would help more that shoots like it did before that shoots really good another days here and the one thing that Cass was displeased with was how uncomfortable this is in the hand and it wasn't because of the bolts it was because he felt like this was boxy my initial thought was well it's just a shoot off the hand selfbow it's kind of how it feels you just get used to it but then I thought well what what would happen if I tried to improve it so let's add material to this side and I'll glue up maybe an inch of material and then I can shape that to the shape of the handle and then from there I can just run it on the band saw to connect the slit to this other slit and structurally the bow should be the same but how you interact with a bow with your hand should feel different let's give that a shot [Music] [Music] so I got it shaped decent but I do have one question I guess my question is will that cause it to pinch if it flexes at all on the hand shooting it right there if it does Pinch should I try to cut it in from another side or should I just go for it I don't think it's I mean it's probably flexing slightly but I don't think it's really flexing maybe I'll put a string on it and see if that Gap closes at all if the gap is not closing I just want to cut it straight through cuz that'll be easiest yeah I think I'm good to [Applause] [Music] just all right now it's shaped for a little bit more Comfort let's make sure it uh works yes yeah that's solid cuz just because of the way it shaped and I resanded it it's not pinching right there where I cut it through see I kind of did a double saw cut there cuz I went back through so it's a little little wider there not a perfect joint but it's not moving at all on me all right let's see if Cass approves this time I did it just for you ah yeah yeah that's so much better let me shoot it that's better it is much more comfy shoots good huh yeah that's awesome there it is thanks for watching my experiments I'll see you guys on the next video