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[Music] today on the nation speaks this week the biden administration rolled out its federal vaccine mandate affecting 100 million workers is it needed or have politicians been too quick to press the panic button over covet john tamney from freedomworks thinks so and in america q a we ask do you think dc is overspending or are bigger budgets needed to tackle big issues next as it gets harder to refuse the vaccine those who've suffered from it just want to be heard and cured senator ron johnson is trying to raise a volume but is anyone listening finally in america q a we ask do you know anyone who's had a bad lasting reaction to the vaccine hello and welcome to the nation speaks i'm your host cindy drew care it's been 20 months now of government measures to counter the threat of covid this week the biden administration released its federal vaccine mandate via the labor department's occupational safety and health administration or osha the new rules are as of january 4th employers with 100 workers or more must ensure their employees are either fully vaccinated or tested weekly at their own expense the unvaccinated must also wear mask at work and that starts on december 5th the rules affect about 84 million workers or roughly two-thirds of the labor force the second rule for workplaces that are part of medicare medicaid so nursing homes hospitals and the like everyone there needs to be vaccinated and their staff don't have a testing option this affects another 17 million people the cost of non-compliance fines up to fourteen thousand dollars per violation the tsunami of lawsuits has already started so it's anyone's guess how this mandate will ultimately play out but the strong pushback reveals how a growing sector of the country isn't on board with how this pandemic is being fought and they want the government to be a lot less involved in their personal affairs we have the right man with us to discuss all of these dynamics john tamney the director of the center for economic freedom at freedomworks and an author his latest book is titled when politicians panicked the new coronavirus expert opinion and a tragic lapse of reason john welcome yes thanks so much for having me so it seems that from my point of view a mindset has become entrenched in most countries that big government actions are needed to fix this big problem these osha rules that i just mentioned are affecting 100 million people with potentially more to come and that's only the latest iteration so i want to know from you why how did all this become the orthodoxy it wasn't necessarily the only way to go no it certainly wasn't and it's as though the 20th century never happened we tried central planning we tried uh governing from the commanding heights essentially in the 20th century and it was a disaster a disaster that had a body count of of a hundred million people and so to go back to that where by their national plans to not just vaccinate but force vaccination on people defies basic common sense you cannot force outcomes on people what you can do is let free people discover most americans were going to get the vaccine because they felt it was the right choice and precisely because some were not those were the people who were going to produce information if there was an adverse outcome from not being vaccinated without those adverse outcomes people don't have proper information to act on if it's true that the vaccine is going to save lives you have to let some people not take it so that they can learn that this is a life-saving measure instead government's just using force with typical results so what does it tell you that the government went for these coercive measures um i think it tells me that they're doubling down and it brings me back the lockdowns they said two weeks to stop the spread which defied basic common sense only to see that they did enormous damage to the economy and to people in two short weeks so they essentially doubled down on it this time they said oh the vaccine once you have it you're free and clear to live your life as you did before only for it to become rapidly apparent in in countries that were the most heavily vaccinated like israel that in fact the vaccine doesn't work very well that sick people in particular very old very sick people were still getting the virus and still dying from it and so but having endorsed it as as as essentially the cure for all of our ills they've got to stick with stick to their guns because to reverse course would be for them to acknowledge everything they said before when they said the virus they said the vaccine was peerless didn't make any sense so why do you say that initially the lockdowns defied common sense uh the simple truth is that americans around the united states in particular are already locking down we're already not going to restaurants we're already distancing themselves from other people they didn't need a law to be forced to avoid sickness and potentially death and so this idea that something was very threatening also required government to quite literally keep us from doing our jobs keep us from operating our businesses and keep us from from living our lives defied common sense we were already making adjustments at which point you always need in society some people to say we're going to go against the grain we're going to go against expert opinion that's your control group it's the people who don't follow the orders who teach you how the virus actually spreads what are the behaviors most associated with getting sick and potentially dying and when we needed this information most they chose lockdown which if anything blinded the population to the actual threats of the virus so you argue in your book that actually the bigger threat that this virus posed the less need there would be for government action can you elaborate on that well it's fairly simple they said early on they said well the imperial college study says 2.5 2.3 million americans will die if they don't lock if the us isn't locked down well what if they predicted 50 million the point there is that the more threatening something is the more superfluous is government force who among us needs to be forced by politicians and experts to avoid behavior that might literally result in death and so precisely because the virus was said to threaten us in such high numbers americans were going to take precautions that politicians and experts could never dream of so why do you think as your book as it says in your title of your book why do you think politicians panicked what was actually behind all of that oh politicians do believe it's their job to essentially to essentially protect us no one crossed oceans and borders risking their lives so they could get security in the united states people came to the united states to have their right to live their lives as they desired protected they were not coming here to have politicians protect them from from ill health and from viruses that have been a fact of life as long as humans have roamed the earth but politicians think they've got a bigger role and so having been told by experts that millions of americans were going to die uh they didn't want to be on the hook as see you did nothing but see the trip the trick is always do nothing people are smart the people are the marketplace they were going to make wise decisions on their own again no one needs to be forced to avoid behavior that might result in death