Rules Committee Hearing for H.R. 115

e e e e e e e e e e call the rules committee to order um I do need to start off by saying thank you to everyone who prayed for our family sent flowers letters and wishes our way the loss of a child is something that I I couldn't have comprehended how how absolutely bad it is but your thoughts and prayers have helped our family as we've dealt with this new reality and we appreciate all of you more than you know tonight uh is the last time or maybe the penultimate last time that I will chair the house rules committee and I do want to begin the hearing by sharing a couple of words of appreciation and expressing my gratitude for the opportunity as a life opportunity of a lifetime to serve as chair chairman of this exceptional committee be being appointed to the role of chairman by Speaker Johnson has not been an easy ride but uh I'm forever grateful that I've experienced this throughout my career I've always made a point to say yes to a challenge so when speaker Johnson called me I I knew the right thing to do was to accept I do want to take a moment and thank the rules committee staff whove worked so hard to ensure that I and other members of this committee are prepared and that good rules pass out of committee and get to the Floor Jennifer and Steve our staff directors staff assistants you've all been loyal confidence and I thank you all for your hard work and long nights for the past 22 years I've been blessed and I've made a point to be surrounded by amazing smart and talented staff without each of them I would not have gotten to where I am today I would also like to of course thank each of our fellow members on the committee thank you for the hard work thank you for the time that each of you has put in starting the week off by sitting in this committee Sometimes Late into the night is not for the faint of heart I appreciate each of you and I appreciate your input thank you to my Republican colleagues for your continued commitment to prioritizing legislation that's in the best interest of Americans and of course I want to thank my ranking member Mr McGovern you've challenged me in every single hearing and there will come a time when I will look back fondly it's not yet on our time together and from time to time I may even miss our heated arguments look this has been a phenomenal 22 years and I I don't need to take up any more time tonight talking about that because we do have work to do speaking of work to do I want to address the elephant in the room obviously with the Federal Government funding expiring at the end of this week we are all anticipating an agreement on Government funding I think that everyone in this room and I know the speaker and the Appropriations Committee members had hoped we'd be considering such an agreement today but discussions remain ongoing as soon as we receive word on an agreement and how to execute its passage ranking member of MCG govern members of the committee you will be the first to know but for now this committee will remain on hold until we know until we know what comes next today the rules committee is convening to consider legislation that deals with the balance of power as a new presidential as a p as a presidential Administration ends current law the Congressional review act provides the primary check on regulatory overreach by allowing Congress to reverse a rule by resolution however that is a single sing Le rule any additional rule requires its own separate resolution administrations of both parties tend to overwhelm Congress at the end of their term with hundreds of new rules these are known as midnight rules representing billions of dollars of new regulatory burden for example each of the Clinton Bush and Obama administrations submitted over twice the amount of rules in the final year of their Administration compared with the previous Rec combined the executive branch has exploited the inefficiency of the CRA leaving our constituents to Bear the burden hr15 makes the needed Improvement to existing law to allow Congress to catch up on this expected onslaught of new regulations that predictably will happen as the Biden and Harris Administration leaves office this bill allows Congress to consider multiple rules at once streamlining the process that Congress always employs with resp already employs with respect to the executive rule making doing so will allow Congress to keep up with the rapid pace of mid night rules reigning in federal bureaucracy at a time that it is most active I certainly look forward to the discussion surrounding this bill and I do want to yield to the ranking member Mr McGovern for any comments he wishes to make well thank you Mr chairman and um we are we're glad you're back and again you know our our prayers are with you to you and your family um and um as you mentioned um this uh this may very well be the last rules um meeting of this Congress and I want to I I I want to thank you uh for your work leading the rules committee this year I also want to thank the incredible staff the majority and on the minority who work incredibly hard harder than most people can appreciate uh for all their work as well uh you and I are as about as far as as far apart as anyone can get politically uh but I've have been honored to work with you and I wish you well uh in your next steps uh as you reminded me your portrait is hanging on this side of the uh you know the committee room so I will look at you um often because I can't avoid I can't avoid that right right so um uh but frankly you um even though we have a lot of differences politically we we do have stuff in common and we both love this country uh we both care deeply about this institution and we both fight hard for the people we represent um and it has been an honor sharing uh this day with you Mr chairman uh and on behalf of everyone on our side um we're going to miss you so um and um but this is what you won't miss at what I'm about to say about what we're doing here today um let let me let me also begin by sharing our prayers for the folks out in Madison Wisconsin uh where there's been yet another school shooting of this time the Abundant Life Christian School uh reports are saying that several innocent children have been injured we know of at least uh two deaths that have been confirmed a teacher and a student uh and um it is really quite tragic uh and I guess the question we need to ask ourselves is when is enough finally enough uh when are my colleagues going to stand up and and give a damn about the gun violence in this country it is insane it is totally nuts that we are wasting wasting more time here in the rules committee on bad legislation that will go nowhere uh instead of actually doing something about issues like gun violence if Republicans work with work with us we could be passing the assault weapons ban act we we could be passing the closing the bump stock loophole act we could be passing the bipartisan background checks act but we're not uh because they refuse to lift a finger they refuse to stand up to the NRA they refuse to reject those donations that keep rolling in from the government Lobby and so they do nothing to address the shootings in our schools and the violence in our streets they won't lift a finger even though most gun owners want them to and instead they bring up absolutely pointless absurd bills like the ones we're meeting on today does anyone really think we have to pass the midnight rules Relief act I mean this was copied right off the pages of project 2025 it's a deliberate attempt to overturn important Federal protections uh that help consumers and everyday people and make no mistake this is about handing over the keys to special interests corporate donors billionaires and Wall Street and this bill is about gutting protections that Safeguard our health safety and environment it puts polluters corporate monopolies and frauders ahead of working families and children this bill won't even pass the Senate it certainly won't get signed into law it's another waste of time I had hoped um that we would have passed a CR um by now uh to to avoid a government shutdown but we haven't speaker Johnson vowed to pass all 12 appropriation bills separately without resorting to continuing resolutions he even promised uh that he wouldn't send us home until after we got all of our Appropriations worked on and then what did he do he sent us home for six weeks which is why we are here again scrambling to pass a funding bill for days before money runs out we didn't have to be in this position all Republicans had to do was work with the Senate and work with the White House on a bipartisan plan instead they wasted time talking about culture wars and washing machines and so so and so we are left with another broken promise and we're kicking the can down the road because Republicans choose dysfunction over compromise every single time and with that Mr chairman I yield back gentlemen he's back chair thanks and gentlemen thank you for your kind observations as well and without without objection any prepared statements that our Witnesses have will be included in the record and I want to welcome our panel representative bigs and ranking member Nadler from the committee on the Judiciary to the witness table and representative bigs I welcome your testimony thank you Mr chairman and I thank the committee and express my condolences to you and your family as well and glad to see you here today with us and I would just point out that the midnight rules Relief act of 2016 which looks a lot like the midnight rules Relief act that I'm introducing well that was in the 114th Congress and that's been pretty consistent people have tried to effectuate that change uh repeatedly and an hr15 is the midnight rules Relief act which will allow Congress to more effectively and efficiently oversee Federal agency rulemaking under the Congressional review act known as the CRA executive agencies must report all promulgated rules to Congress this reporting requirement allows Congress to properly consider Federal Regulations before they take effect if Congress disapproves of a submitted rule the CRA gives Congress the ability to pass a joint resolution to prevent an agency's rule from taking effect this joint resolution receives procedural advantages during consideration making the CRA an important tool for agency oversight however the CRA has a flaw that becomes apparent during the final year of every president's term regardless of party currently the CRA allows for only one rule to be included in a joint resolution this means that Congress must consider a single separate joint resolution for each agency rule it seeks to render unenforceable this one by one limit to joint resolutions under the CRA slows congress's oversight of agency rulemaking to a standstill its inefficiency is most clear during the midnight rulemaking period this this period occurs during the last year of a president's term when executive agencies have historically issued regulations at an increased Pace in fact during the Clinton Bush and Obama administration agencies issued roughly two and a half times more regulations during this period than in the other years of those president terms hr15 would make congress's oversight of federal agencies more efficient during the midnight rule making period the midnight rules Relief act will allow Congress to consider joint resolutions covering multiple agency rules if those rules have been issued during the final year of a president's term this change would allow Congress to efficiently respond to the influx and agency regulations during the midnight hours of a president's term this bill does not change how the crra would function during the other years of a president's term and it does not alter the substance of requirements for Congress to disapprove of agency rules it simply allows us to better oversee agency rules issued during the midnight rulemaking period uh I look forward to answering any questions you may have and urge your passage of the this uh this bill chair thank the gentleman for his testimony ranking member nler you're recognized for your testimony thank you Mr chairman Mr chairman first let me Begin by offering my condolences to you first of all and second of all uh by uh offering condolences to the people in Madison Wisconsin and by offering the observation that the United States is the only country in the world which has school shootings the only one the only time students and other countries may die or be wounded is because of bombings and War we are the only country that has peacetime school shootings and that is because of the obsequious uh nature of the relationship the Republican party in this country to the NRA it is entirely theault of the NRA and the Republican party which has refused to let us pass effective gun control legislation such as is in effect in other countries Mr chairman despite the Bill's title hr15 is not really intended to address midnight rules but rather is an effort by our Republican colleagues to advance their anti-government deregulatory agenda agenda under cover of Darkness this legislation may appear to be a modest change to the Congressional review act but do not be fooled it would enable the Republican controlled 119th Congress to use a turbocharged CRA to nullify every rule issued by public agencies under the Biden Administration since early 20 since early August 2024 in a single Partyline vote Not only would rules be reversed but also agents would be forever prohibited from considering a substantially similar rule forever an unreviewable vague and harmful standard that would undermine agency statutory missions while historically the CRA has been used sparingly after Donald Trump's first inauguration in 201 2017 the Republican controlled Congress used the CRA to repeal 16 rules issued by the Obama Administration an all-time high critical rules on teacher training internet privacy protection and the prevention of water pollution from coal mines among many others were all repealed over a few short weeks but it seems that Republicans have even bigger Ambitions for the next deregulatory spree as they pursue their unabashedly anti-government agenda rather than consider agency rules on their individual merits they want to package as many rules as possible into a single resolution to eliminate them all at once with little debate or deliberation over the merits of each individual rule the results of this single V in fact there could be no deliberation over particular rules the results of this single vote could be catastrophic right now there are dozens of regulations at risk of summary execution including rules that ensure the safety of bath seats for infants implement the National Suicide Hotline act create dust lead and Lead Pipe safety standards update chemicals listed under the toxic substances Control Act update heavy vehicle automatic emergency braking standards and Ensure all cell phones are hearing aid compatible among others why do Republicans feel they even need this power maybe it's because they realize that many of the agency rules that they constantly rail against are actually popular with the American people taking a series of votes making it easier for corporations to pollute the environment or to take advantage of of the most vulnerable would likely not be well received better to overturn as many rules as possible in a single vote red reducing transparency and obscuring the consequences but make no mistake whether those votes are held individually or in Block the American people will be the ones to bear the consequences with the Republicans in charge of the house senate and white house it is likely that every rule the Biden Administration has issued since August will be on the chopping block along with the protections those rules provide to our constituents health safety and economic well-being in addition striking down a bundle of rules at once means not only that each rule will not be considered on its own merits but also that months and years of agency time and taxpayer dollars along with the expert analysis and public comments from industry nonprofit groups and individual Americans all will have been wasted Mr chairman members on both sides of the aisle have recognized that midnight rule making if left completely unchecked can lead to abuses by the executive branch but true midnight rules are rarely issued and there is already a look back period under the C to address rules promulgated at the end of any Congressional term if we are truly concerned about so-called midnight rules we have other options to check them for example at the end of President George W Bush's Administration I authored a bill that would delay implementation of rules issued near the end of a president's term giving his or her successor the chance to review such rules and determine if they should go forward I believe there are ways we could work together in a bipartisan manner to address this issue but where past efforts tried using a scalpel to address the problems associated with midnight Ru making today's Republicans would instead using use a machete hacking away at the Biden administration's regulatory agenda and furthering their ideological goal of radically transforming our government none of this should be a surprise hr15 is a key plank of project 2025 the blueprint for the incoming Trump Administration project 2025 calls for quote dismiss manling the administrative State and argues that doing so quote must be a top priority for the next conservative president unquote that is because according to the document quote the only real solution is for the national government to do Less close quote and to be clear the less that they want to do refers the important and expert work undertaken by the country's federal agencies protecting consumers workers and the public from corporations and people that break the law we should reject any backdor effort that would eviscerate vital regulations would open rules and protections to even more political interference and could prevent agencies from ever working on similar issues again all with just the most cursory examination by Congress and with one vote I urge all members to oppose the midnight rules Relief act I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have sure thanks gentem gentleman yields back um I really have no questions just an observation that I mean there's a lot of healing that's got to happen after the last four years and this appears to me as something that will allow that healing to happen a little more rapidly and perhaps a little more completely but there's no question the American people have suffered the last four years and I see this as a an important first step toward resolving that I don't know if you have any thoughts on that I'll just say uh I agree with you and I appreciate your comments thank you Mr chairman thank you Mr mcer well I agree with Mr Nadler um and I want to associate myself with his thoughtful comments and I I also want to take this moment to to say that uh that his tenure as top Democrat in the Judiciary Committee over the years has been marked by uh your unwavering leadership in the fight for what is right by your commitment to uphold the Civil Rights and civil liberties of all Americans by by your respect for the rule of law and equal protection of the laws and by your steadfast dedication to protecting the con protecting the Constitution uh and also by your work to ensure that we live up to the promise in this country of liberty and justice for all um so I want to thank you for your Talis dedication over the past few years uh heading up the Judiciary Committee it's been an honor working with you and I look forward to continuing to collaborate and and work with you um uh in the years to come uh I also just want to say again I it's kind of pointless to ask question but I don't know what my Republican friends are thinking by bringing this legislation uh to the floor I mean I in what Universe would this bill be brought uh up in the Senate I I mean it's December 16th uh and the Congress is almost over uh and uh I I I can't believe anybody uh has any reason to believe that this bill would even uh get noticed by the Senate much less be considered by the Senate um because it won't um the sen Senate doesn't have time to take up the bill even if they wanted it wanted to um which they don't so um so we're wasting our time here when there are a lot of other things that we could get done uh we should be doing um and um I regret that this is what we're meeting about I I was hoping our last rules committee meeting would be more substantive than this but uh but then again we might meet again so we'll wait and see I yield back true enough we might meet again the gentle lady from Minnesota's recog ask for questions I just lost my well you you guys know who I am right but um thank you Mr chair and uh you know I thank you for bringing this forward because the opposition has just really thinks that there this provides all kinds of power and all kinds the I mean the sky is falling kind of thing and so I just want to make sure that we're clear this bill does nothing to impact the first three years of a president's rule making Authority nor does it circumvent the legislative process requiring a vote in the house senate in the president signature correct that's correct thank you and this bill simply allows Congress to retain its Authority overseeing administrative rule making without bogging down the legislative branch um with the requirement to take individual votes on each rule issued in the last 60 days of the presidency correct that's correct thank you very much Mr Bigs it just uh we I think things were getting out of control like the sky was falling and this is a very simple bill that we'll deal with you know just a limited amount of rules so thank you for being here and I yield back chair thanks gentle lady gentle lady yields back chair recogniz Jo from South Carolina Mr chairman too I want to thank you for your service and your picture really hadn't changed much I think he's getting you an AG today um no Andy thank you for bring this up uh there's one thing that I've heard and one thing was a big factor in the people people speaking in this election are being overrun with regulations and rules uh cfpb being the prime example on Financial Services people are sick and tired when banks have to report on their carbon footprint uh and you can just multiply that on and I don't think my friends on the other side understand it uh why the Americans are sick of it and all the other things that are are hitting them in the pocketbook from not drilling our own oil from you you know the invasion at the border this is just a small uh thing that we can do and have have impact like Michelle said it doesn't affect it to the last 60 days of an Administration they can get by and pass um things as they will uh you have anything to add to that yes um no I was going to ask I I'll get to you thank you no I just say agree with you okay uh Mr Natalie well I just wanted to say that uh what everyone may say about uh uh midnight rules and repealing them this bill is radically different from all other CRA bills because not only would the rules be reversed which is what a CRA Bill normally does but agencies would be forever prohibited from considering a substantially similar unquote rule whatever that means so if you had a rule on on percentage of uh lead and fish that are caught or whatever and it turned it back by the CRA 25 years from now with science knowing more about the effects a future Administration could not pro promulgate a rule on that um that's what makes this particularly radical Mr Bigs you got a yeah that what he's referring to is actually in current law as well so we're not changing that aspect of the law number one number number two uh apparently he forgets that this is the legislative body and at any time this legislative body can say we want you to go ahead and promate Rule yield well thanks you for bringing it up it's unelected bureaucrats uh enforcing rules fines attached to it people are sick of it and they spoke in November um chairman are you back gentlem heil's back chair thanks and gentleman G from Texas is recognized I think chairman I too want to add our U our prayers for you and your fam chairman um and um how honored we've been to serve with you in this in this committee and of course those of us in the Texas delegation uh the Texas delegation and um uh you know we had a great celebration of you last week but um you know the the biggest test that I've seen to your character was your public sentiments expressed this past weekend about your faith and I'm deeply appreciative of that um I know we want to we want to move along I I I would just simply say a couple things on this point U about the bill we should all be deeply concerned about asserting article one congressional power all of us on both sides of the aisle we have for too long been allowing the executive branch in both both parties to exercise significant amounts of administrative power the Court's decision in Chevron is at least a move in a direction that hopefully would give us more power but both of us both parties need to look in the mirror and understand if we're going to sit around and you know we're going to have some of my conservative brothers and sisters walk away from legislative Appropriations if we're going to want to take away tools that we have we've got to actually have a strong Congress a strong Congress to check what is often an out of control executive branch again under both parties this is a statement about the administrative State uh the last minute rulemaking it gets done in both parties um but we we should be concerned about this I appreciate and and the answer to the ranking member's question about why it's coming up now is because it's front of mine now I mean no but in it's in all honesty I mean that's to a fault I would say right because it's not easy for us to work on long-term policy fixes in March you know next year in the Trump Administration or whether it was four years ago under the bid Administration when everybody's coming out got 100 day agenda and everybody's doing their stuff and now people looking at this going well there's a bunch of last minute rulemaking and we all observe it we see what's going on and you want to do something about it you want to assert congressional power I applaud my friend from Arizona I think you pointed out that this is modeled almost very similarly to the 115th Congress version of the bill uh project 25 was a big deal in the 115th Congress I assume is that right Mr big is that where you copied it was was in the 115th Congress it wasen someone's but um the only the only final point I'll make on this is this is I wish we could have like this is like a reverse rulemaking power in in Omnibus form I wish we could have a reverse uh Omnibus uh legislation you know because of what we're facing this week uh which is going to be essentially a massive 20 th000 page Omnibus Bill uh that's being negotiated uh that that frankly gives me real concern and we've got to get out of this got to get out of this mode of legislating and this mode of doing things this way and you know we didn't do what we should have done with respect to open rules and structured rules this year the way that we should have done it we we didn't um we we've got to find a way to get this place to function again and I hope that we can with a renewed sense of spirit in January figure out how we can do that but uh you know four corners negotiations of 2,000 page bills that are probably going to spend 150 billion plus maybe $200 billion without being paid for with massive policy implications uh across the spectrum is no way to do business and it's Germain to this point because Ru making like this is no way to do business Omnibus bills is no way to do business and we got to change it or we'll all own it so I appreciate this gentlemen now you'll back chair thanks and gentlemen thanks for your comments and gentleman yields back the gentleman from KY is recognized gentleman has no questions the gentle lady from Indiana is recognized thank you Mr chairman I also want to express our condolences from our family um for your loss and also to thank you for your leadership of this committee um it's been a pleasure to serve with you in this Congress um I did think Mr Bigs that this bill might uh be a bill that would prevent the rules committee from having to come back in and and vote on rules after midnight but I'm told that that that's not the case that this uh will not keep that from happening um but I do appreciate you bringing this um it I was just looking at a chart and the number of uh lame duck rules and and the frequency with which they increase uh toward the end of uh a president's term see those lines going straight up um and in fact if we did not unblock some of these um uh rules or some of some of this under a congressional review act if we did not unblock them then we might run out of time to deal with the um the wave of expect expected rules that might happen during a lame duck uh in the last part of this year so I thank you for bringing it I don't have any questions I just uh appreciate it and you'll have my support thank you Gentle lady he back the gentleman from Georgia has recognized for questions thank you Mr chairman I agree with with what uh Mr Roy said about the administrative state that we currently live in and um I intend to support the bill I I do have a question Mr Bigs it it is not six it's not 60 days pre uh inauguration it it is it would be from January 20th of 2024 that we have 60 days to in Block right so it's a full 3 65 days of rules not 60 days is that correct the way I read it it it it it doesn't say the last year it does yeah it doesn't amend the underlying bill in that area so the last year of the presidential term which would which would depending on what the way you want to count the days be January 20th or 21st of the election year 60 days from Congress receives the bill is that right should I again oh sorry 60 days from when the Congress receives the reported bill that's the I'm sorry the reported rule that's the look back in the last year so so the way it's the way it's structured right now is within the last year of a presidential term that's that's that's the triggering that's the that 12 months so yes so it would be from the way I read is January 20 2024 January 20225 but the the triggering date is the a date the rule has been reported to Congress and then you got a 60-day period so it's not 60 days from the inauguration of the new president it's 60 days from so so you're going to have so the rules are not going to all be reported on the same day though right yeah so the the 60 days is triggered by when the rule is reported to that Congress or um when it's reported in the uh Federal Register whichever is later okay so you're going to have multiple dates right you're going to have multiple end dates that's correct okay I uh and I'm sorry for the confusion okay it's uh I just want to make sure I was understand it correctly um I would suggest this and this is for all of us as members of the house when an agency passes a rule the authorizing committee should have the authority to reject that rule because there are a lot of rules passed that both Democrats and Republicans did not agree to and think are not not in compliance with the law the way it was the way it was written and I can tell you in a lot of the states the authorizing committees have the ability to reject a rule from the agency so as we go into um the next cycle I think that would be something for us to discuss is is allowing the authorizing committees to to reject uh the rule um I'm I'm I'm going to vote for it uh obviously it's going to go to the Senate and probably not be signed into law but I do think that uh we need to have further discussion about how we restrict the regulatory Authority they they are not supposed to have as much power uh as they have obviously when there's a Republican president and you got a republic we we seed congressional power to the administrative Branch then when the Democrats have it then they see the power the the the executive branch of the United States was never supposed to be as powerful as it is uh with that said Mr chairman I want to uh tell you that I am glad uh that I got to know you over the last 14 years you are a uh one of the better people that I have ever met uh that is willing to to set aside their personal life and and serve in this institution and this institution uh in this country or better because because you have been willing to give as much of your your time as you have and your family given their time U because you've been away from them a lot and so I appreciate you and I want to thank you for your service well you're very kind I was I was going to have your words taken down but then I just thought better of itair Mr chair after hearing Mr Scott maybe we can move your portrait over to his side does the uh gentleman Yi back does G from New York have questions uh I have no questions at this time just want to thank the witnesses uh for being here and also uh want to Echo just as a freshman that came out of this committee thank you for your leadership Mr chairman uh thank you for your dedication to our country and I yield back thank you Mr Lang rby um is there anyone else seeking to testify on HR 1115 without objection this closes the hearing portion of our meeting and the Witnesses are excused and the chair will be in receipt of a motion from the gentl one from Minnesota miss fish Mr chair I move the committee Grant hr15 the midnight rules Relief act a closed rule the rule waves All Points of order against consideration of the bill the rule provides that the amendment in the nature of a substitute recommended by the committee on the Judiciary now printed in the bill shall be considered as adopted and the bill is amended shall be considered as red the rule waves All Points of order against Provisions in the bill as amended the rule provides one hour of General debate equally divided and controlled by the chair and ranking minority member of the committee on Judiciary or their respective designes finally the rule provides one motion to recommit thank you very much you've heard the motion is there any discussion or Amendment to the rule yeah no I I we don't have any amendments but uh it it kind of seems fitting that the final rule uh of the session is another closed rule but I just wanted to make that point for the record we'd be sad if it yeah I yield back gentleman yields back hearing no requests for further amendments the question is on the motion from the Gent from Minnesota all those in favor signify by saying I I all those oppose no no the opinion of the chair the eyes have it as for a roll call Mr chairman roll call has been requested the clerk will call a roll Mr rashan dollar Mrs fishbach no Mrs fishbach Mrs fishbach I Mr Massie Mr Massie I Mr Norman Mr Norman I Mr Roy Mr Roy I Mrs hin hi Mrs hin I Mr Langworthy hi Mr Langworthy I Mr Scott I Mr Scott I Mr McGovern no Mr McGovern no miss scanland Mr nus Miss leer Fernandez no Miss leer Fernandez no Mr chairman chair votes I Mr chairman I the clerk will report the total eight Ys two Nays and the eyes have it the motion to report is agreed to accordingly I will be banishing for the majority and I'll do it for the minority without objection the committee stands adjourned