Awakening Humanity with Sarah Chave

What do we want this dream to be, this new episode for humanity? What do we want it to be? If this is about regaining our sovereignty, we've given away our power to leaders, politicians, all of those external authority figures, but we've equally, I believe, given away our power to the planets. Welcome to New Earth Podcast, where we dive into inspiring stories, profound wisdom, and insights from remarkable individuals who are driving the consciousness shift on our planet. If you're ready to elevate your awareness and well-being, you're in the right place. Together, we'll continue to explore the ideas and conversations that help you up-level your consciousness. Thank you so much for your support and your comments and for being part of this journey. Hi, everyone. I'm absolutely delighted to welcome Pam Gregory here today and a big thank you, Pam, for saying yes to come and have this conversation. I'm so excited to see what we talk about. I'm sure that you all know that Pam is an internationally renowned astrologer who's really a guiding light that illuminates the path that we're all heading towards New Earth at this time, helping us navigate that transformation. So, big welcome, Pam. Bless you, Sarah. Thank you so much for that wonderful, warm welcome. I'm just trying to do my best along with everyone else, but thank you. It's a joy to be with you and share this afternoon. Thank you. Thank you. I'd love to chat with you today about what it means to be human, because I feel like that is changing at this time. There's just so many old paradigms that are being broken that we're having to accelerate into a new consciousness, a new state of being. So, I'm interested in really chatting about how the astrology sits with that and can support us to navigate these personal and planetary shifts. So, I guess a good place to start would be to talk about astrology in terms of, do you see astrology almost like being a divine plan that's unfolding at this time? And to that extent as a human being, how much personal agency do we have in terms of, is it all predestined or how much free will is there in that? Great questions. Great questions, Sarah. So, to come to the second question first, it's very interesting that in my work, I've always said that your birth chart is your unique sheet of music. And therefore, the pattern for this lifetime is determined, the symphony that is going to be played. However, the free will, the latitude comes in how we play that. We can have a little life or we can have a big life. We can just bang an old tin rusty box with a spoon for our symphony, or we can do something magnificent. And over the many years I've been practicing astrology, I can say that because very often I've looked at similar charts over a similar time of birth, similar geography. And the patterns are the same in terms of how those people lived out their lives, but to a very different level. And that isn't my judgment. I mean, I have no place to judge anybody. But I remember a few years ago, there were two guys who didn't know each other, and they had very similar birth charts. And they were both very musical. One was a teacher in a comprehensive school locally, and the other was actually a conductor of a major philharmonic orchestra and was traveling all over the world. And the teacher at the comprehensive school actually felt quite frustrated that he hadn't fully explored his musical potential. And so, that was very interesting. So, it's never my judgment. It's up to each soul to determine how satisfied and fulfilled they felt. But it was very interesting seeing the similarity in their charts. So, my job as an astrologer, I don't do client work anymore. I have no time. But when I used to do it, my job was how do I help people live a bigger life? How do I help them optimize and maximize the pattern that is set? But how do I help them play it magnificently? Whatever that represents. It needn't be public and loud in the world. It can be behind the scenes working with children in third world countries. It can be a very quiet life, but an incredibly fulfilled one. So, that's to answer your second question, which is almost easier than the first question. Because coming back to your first question, what does it mean to be human? And that was actually one of my main themes looking at 2025. What does it mean to be human? Because with Pluto having just moved fully into Aquarius on December 19th next year until January 2044, so virtually 20 years, that raises questions of what is humanity? Because the Aquarian energy is very linked to the people in a broad scale sense, the mass of the people and the power of the people. But it's also linked to a very high level of innovation in technology and AI and going beyond that to all kinds of... I think the UK government website even has a section on it now called, I think it's called the Augmented Human. And we might get chills down the spine thinking about that one. And so, because technology will become so advanced and we're aware of nanobots that can be injected into people's bodies or what was Elon Musk's recent brain chip, Neuralink. The Neuralink, yeah. And on the one hand, we can say, well, sometimes these invasive new technologies can be miraculous because if somebody's paralyzed through a car accident, it can help them walk again. Somebody's brain dead, it can help them kind of regain a lot of their original power. But that becomes a very slippery slope, doesn't it? Because who's then in control of the button? To me, that is a big, big, big giving away of power. But these issues around the invasiveness of technology into our body is going to become a bigger and bigger thing. I mean, for the last year or so, I know in Sweden who are very far ahead of innovation, you can buy a chip which goes into your hand, which means you buy your train tickets faster. I know in certain outlets, you can get a chip in your hand, so you don't have to kind of pay for your groceries with your credit card. You know, it's all just via the chip in your hand. For me, I find that absolutely a no-go. It's scary, isn't it? Yeah, it's scary. And it feels like a choice point, you know, that kind of technological path or the more organic path that's more aligned with love and the spiritual journey, really, and the spiritual evolution of consciousness. Absolutely. And I think this will be a major choice point. You know, going through 2025, I think, Bob, the micro choice points, mini and major. And that, for me, is a major one, a really major one, because for me, I wouldn't want anything invasive. And, you know, I'm sure they're going to be sold as a kind of win-win. You can get these nanobots. I've seen them on social media already injected that will just kind of eat up all the damage and any potential tumour in your body. And, you know, you'll never get sick. And isn't that amazing? Well, actually, I would probably run a mile from that. But, you know, I'm not suggesting that I'm making the decision for anybody. We each have to make our own decisions based on our own cell contract and what we want in our lives. For me, that is a no-go area. But, you know, it's interesting, Sarah, isn't it? Because what does it mean to be human? I mean, I think we are already galactic hybrids. That's the trick. You know, we know that we are part of a galactic family. We know that, you know, the iron in our blood comes from the stars, the calcium in our bones. We are not already pure human. We are already a kind of galactic hybrid. Interesting. It's interesting. When you're talking, I'm thinking about, you know, the choice point of, you know, connectivity, because it feels like, you know, whatever we choose, we're moving into more connectivity. Are we going to be hooked up to the world wide web? You know, and of course, that can be positive as negative as well. But in terms of what you're talking about in technology of having things actually within the body, or are we going to be connecting into the galactics, into the astrology, into the cosmos, and connecting with our own divinity as well? I think what you're raising is absolutely a huge theme for 2025, because I think this is part of the timeline split, which I think is undeniable, this timeline split. And one timeline is much more synthetic and technological and the other absolutely, Sarah, is more natural and organic. And eventually we will lose the technology because the technology is only a stepping stone to regaining our telepathy, our greater healing abilities. You know, we won't need the gadgets, we won't need the iPhones and the computers. So yeah, very definitely that is a major, major choice point in the timeline split, which we're in right now for sure. Yeah, absolutely. So focusing in on the consciousness shift that we're going through as a collective, there's lots of talk about New Earth and this channel is New Earth Co-Creators. So I'd love to chat with you about whether there are any astrological indications or support for the New Earth. Yeah, absolutely. And I think it's principally coming from the dwarf planets, the deep space planets, because most of these that we've discovered so far were only discovered really in the last 20 years or so, 25 years. So that's kind of a drop in the bucket if you're looking at many, many thousands of years of astrology. And the ones I've investigated so far have incredible symbolism because on the one hand, they're all creator gods and they have a leading edge understanding of manifestation of quantum physics, how we manifest in our lives. But they also have this kind of deep remembrance of the Earth and nature and harmony with nature and shamanic connection and getting back in the rhythm of the seasons, etc. And so it isn't just that we're going forwards in time, we're going back in time to regain this remembrance. That's really interesting. Yeah, I think that's where we're headed. It isn't just a constant propulsion forwards. It's a reminder of where we've been. And I think this is a couple of people I know already channel inner Earth beings. I think we're going to see more of that coming forward because the galactic beings aren't just out there. They're actually in the Earth as well, I feel. That's so interesting what you're speaking about. I don't know a lot about astrology, but I know a little bit about archetypes and my understanding of the archetypes, it's that kind of deep symbology or imagery and knowing that becomes part of our unconscious. In that sense, it becomes our inner voices, becomes who we are. So through that connection with the planets, certainly the kind of old planets that we all knew, we've over the years developed those archetypes and those understandings, those connections, but we're really being asked to up the ante and go up an octave quite quickly. These are all quite newly discovered, my understanding. I've listened to you talking about the dwarf planets and the Kuiper belt objects. I'm interested in how that's enabling us to form new archetypes and new visions for humanity because we're really embodying new frequencies, allowing that to become part of our new mythology in a way. But because of the old connections with the indigenous kind of creation, it's a very interesting kind of pathway, isn't it? Sort of forwards and backwards at the same time. Yeah. I think what Richard Rudd writes beautifully about is an evolution, but also an involution as the indigenous people see it. That kind of electrified me. So yeah, great, great question, Sarah, because these dwarf planets are really being seen as a higher octave of consciousness. Our next step, they're further out in space and it's a new opening up. It's an expansion of our consciousness to something new in terms of our innate abilities, our innate power that we've forgotten. For instance, the dwarf planet Haumea is a great symbol for New Earth because in the mythology, she's linked to the Hawaiian goddess of fertility and she was able to birth babies from all over her body, not just the normal place and kind of change herself from an old crone to a young maiden. And in her fire goddess aspect, she's said to have birthed the eight islands of Hawaii, which is one of the clues to me that we are going to see some land mass changes with extreme size and activity. But she also has the promise not only of new land masses or very old land masses reemerging that are going to be pristine, unpolluted, all kinds of new plant life. And quite a few months ago, probably about eight months ago, this gigantic mountain range was discovered off the coast of Chile that nobody'd known about with all kinds of new plant species and sea species in it. So, I think with these changes, you know, the extreme weather, seismic activity, all that kind of thing, that New Earth is new land masses are either going to be emerging from the seas and the oceans and or are going to be revealed via some kind of, you know, ice melting or whatever, to reveal really beautiful, pristine land. And that is literally going to be incredible. It's quite literal as well as, you know, what the consciousness shift, it's kind of quite physical as well. Absolutely, that literally New Earth. So, we're going to be really understanding new plant species. I think we'll eat less, we'll eat more plant-based, we'll be eating high-frequency foods. And this is all part of the physical transition, as you say, but it's also linked to a consciousness transition. And so, you know, we can look at other dwarf planets. I mean, Selassie is a big one as well, because in myth, she is the wife of Neptune, she's mermaid energy, she's linked to the shimmering sunlight, moonlight on the sea. I think she's very linked to photonic energy that's kind of high-frequency light. And we're getting, because we're at the peak of solar cycle 25, we're getting a lot of solar flares, which I think everybody is aware of. But it isn't just the sun throwing out these balls of radiation, they are actually new light codes. They're new light codes. And when I was having my week's rest, which was so welcome, in a place where you could actually see the sun for a week, which was remarkable for an English person, watching the sunsets, do you know, if I was living in places like that, where you could see the sunset every day, it'd be like a pilgrimage for me, because it wasn't just the sun going down, the colours were like I've never seen before, deep purples and magentas and lime greens, and they were shooting off in plumes all around the sun as it sank very rapidly. And I was just kind of hypnotised, thinking, my God, you know, this isn't a normal sunset. And maybe my perception of the sun, or maybe it was literally that's what the sun was throwing out. But it was a series of incredibly powerful light codes that I felt all of us watching that, I mean, there were hundreds of us on this kind of precipice, were absorbing as ingredients. And so, Selassie, I feel, is also linked to a bigger understanding that's going to come in around light, water is condensed light, I think she's very linked to light language. She was very prominent at, gosh, I think it was the solar eclipse last October, I was in Glastonbury with Veda Austin, and it was one of the eclipses, and Selassie was exact, exact on that eclipse. And so, no coincidences that you were with Veda at that time. No, and she's saying water is condensed light. And so, things like this, that when we either have Selassie prominent in our birth charts, or we're receiving a transit from Selassie, this is just my theory, which I haven't tested out yet, but is that when people are going to start to spontaneously speak light language, because they're connecting to a higher level of consciousness. And I'm just throwing that out as a theory at the moment. But I think undeniably, these dwarf planets are going to lead us to a higher level of consciousness, which is partly new, and partly ancient. That's fascinating, Pam. I love that you brought up the water and the consciousness of water, because I interviewed Veda a few months back, and in a way, it's a similar conversation. What is the water? What it means to be human again, but looking at it through those filters rather than the astrological. So, I'm not so surprised at all that you guys are connected. And it's wonderful, because I think Veda strongly feels this, and I feel this too, that water is actually the evolutionary impulse for everything. My understanding of how the earth was created was via the water. And when I was talking to Richard Rudd about that metamorphosis of the water nymph to the dragonfly, the way he describes it, and this is true biologically, that one day the water nymph just decides it's not going to be an underwater water nymph anymore, and climbs up a stalk of grass and dries its wings in the sun. But the thing that makes it turn into a dragonfly is the water nymph pumps its old body, which is full of water, into the wings of the dragonfly to enable the dragonfly's wings to spread out and to fly. She couldn't fly if the wings weren't expanded in that way from the water. So, the water is the evolutionary impulse. But it's interesting, because it's reflective of what we're being asked to move through as well, because we're being asked to embody that air element and moving into the age of Aquarius as well. And I believe we've got lots of, am I correct in saying a lot of the signs are going to be moving? Planets are going to be moving into the air sign too. So, it's almost like we're being told to go through the same process. Correct. We're going to discover an awful lot of the out there. Now, the out there, because that's the air, out there is Pluto in Aquarius. It's not a water sign, it's an air sign, and it's going to be there till January 2044. Uranus begins to move into Gemini, an Earth sign, this July, and stays there for another seven to eight years after that. So, you've got both of these very heavy, big outer planet archetypes in air signs, and they're moving pretty much in step given the length of their orbits. So, we are going to see a lot more of activity out there in terms of innovation in aviation, which I've talked about a lot. We're going to see issues around the air, toxicity in air, and how do we clean that up? But also, every time Pluto moves into Aquarius, it's got a 248-year cycle. So, it hasn't been there since 1798. We discover another layer of deep space, another layer. Wow. That's incredible, isn't it? So, we better buckle up. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that was actually a question because I was interested to see how all these shifts are shifting the astrology. There's no doubt it's shifting our consciousness, but you're probably having to really pedal pretty quickly to keep up with the changes in astrology now. It probably looks different 20 years ago. Totally. Honestly, Sarah, I've said in several videos, I think our understanding of the cosmos could change so radically that all of my decades of study could just fall. We discover that the cosmos is very different from the way I've learned it so profoundly. And I had to do that because I've had lifetimes doing this. There wasn't a choice for me and I've loved it, loved it, loved it. But I have to be open enough at this stage to say, what I've learned is actually a tiny part of a much greater understanding of the cosmos. And I have to be brave enough to ask those questions. And I had a very interesting conversation with Dr. David Clements recently, which many people have enjoyed. He was originally a mainstream academic theoretical physicist specializing in string theory. And his life changed when he started to be contacted by galactic beings, very high-level galactic beings who now direct him to build, to develop incredible high-frequency devices which are regenerative. But he's in constant contact with these beings who give him a very clear view of the cosmos. So, we're having another conversation in about a week's time and I'm going to be asking some very brave questions of these higher beings via David in terms of, tell me how astrology works or doesn't in this bigger context. So, who knows where that's going to go? But I have to be brave enough to be open to that because I think that is absolutely where we're headed. Well, it's so interesting, isn't it? What comes up for me is that inner-outer connection. It's almost like a chicken and egg kind of discussion, isn't it? Because even if you just think about the naming of the planets and then the archetypes that become associated with that, is it our collective awareness of that that then brings energies to us and vice versa? It's kind of how that unfolding, that co-creation takes place. Yeah, that's a really good question as well. You're asking a great question, Sarah, because luckily, one of the principal astronomers who's discovered many of these dwarf planets is an astronomer called Mike Brown and he's American. And luckily, he very kindly is aware of astrology. He's very well-versed in mythology and he takes note of the specific time date, the moment of discovery. Now, that moment of discovery not only gives us the discovery, which gives us a lot of information and the patterns within that, but also the physical attributes of the dwarf planets. For instance, Homer, linked to the goddess of fertility, is egg-shaped. It's almost laughable. It's amazing, isn't it? And I believe it was when his wife was pregnant, I believe, that he wanted to call this new dwarf planet discovery, Homer, because of the link to fertility. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that was true. So, somehow through synchronicity, he chooses names linked to the mythology, which he feels is appropriate. And then we astrologers kind of scuttle off for years and years and investigate the chart and say, is that true? Does it link? Is there a synchronicity here between the name and how it's playing out in people's charts? It's very interesting that with Homer now, when we put that in people's charts, we find it is very linked to healing. They're running a healing centre or they are a healer. It's that kind of thing. You think, wow, isn't that incredible, that kind of synchronicity? We're very lucky to have somebody like Mike Brown who can give us that specific... That's fascinating. Isn't it just? Like you say, there's no coincidences. It's amazing. But you're so wise as well, Sarah, to bring up the inner and the outer, because that's what astrology is. Because if I'm looking at a birth chart in that same moment, I'm looking at the pattern in the heavens at the same moment as I'm looking at that person's psyche. So it's an inner and outer. And that to me is really sacred because I'm studying the pattern in the heavens and the geometry of that. And yet this complete stranger has come to me and they could call themselves Fred as long as the birth data is correct. And I can anticipate exactly what the issues are in their life right now. Is it a big issue in their marriage? Is it a clearly see that? But I'm reading the pattern in the heavens. It's beautiful. We have the universe inside us. That's the thing. When we start to look on these quantum levels, nothing is hidden. It's like all information is available. So then the question comes, what frequency do we tune into? Are we going to tune into the doom and gloom radio station or the love and light? We do have that choice point as well. That is so, and that's why I bang on endlessly about that because what we focus on expands. That's not a very poetic way of saying it, but it's the simplest way. What you focus on expands because you are feeding the energy of that particular timeline. So that's why absolutely there's a terrible, horrific timeline of war and misery and disease and poverty and destruction. Absolutely. But the more of us that can focus on the joyful, loving timeline, that's where we're going to create the energetic momentum. So that's why I've got this free 15 minute meditation every night, completely free to join. If you just check out my Sunday meditation video, it's all in there. No zoom, no tech, no recordings, but many people across the world are doing this kind of thing. We're all adding to that momentum. Because that's the choice. And many, many, many timelines exist, but they're two broad collective ones for sure. And this community, this group consciousness, it's something that's come up in a lot of the podcasts. Talking with Rory Duff, he spoke about this shift into collective, working in groups to make, create change. And certainly I know we're both involved with the People's Health Alliance and that's very much a part of the journey that we're on as well. Yeah. And the People's Food and Farming Alliance, that's because Uranus is in Taurus and that's a whole revolution in farming that we're going through at the moment. Aquarius is grassroots up. It's the power of the people. It's ordinary people like you and me, Sarah, coming together and say, how do we make a difference in the world? How do we create a loving world? Because currently the world as it's been is not a great world. It's not a loving world. It's not a kind world. It's not for the benefit of the people. So what as we humble individuals can do to make a difference? And I think we are both in that game very much. And that's very Aquarius, isn't it? In terms of that, being a facet of the diamond, that individual contribution to the whole and us really bringing that in and having sovereignty of our own domain, but then holding hands in the circle, that's kind of the indigenous connection to our roots again. It's like that community connection again. Absolutely. You raise a very good point because Aquarian energy is quite paradoxical in a way, because it's about celebrating yourself as an individual with your unique essence, your unique gifts, your authenticity in a fuller way than you ever had before. And yet, how does that plug into the group? How does that plug into the whole? So it's kind of like, you know, there's a beautiful Indian myth. I don't know if you know it about Indra's net. I've heard of it. I don't know a lot about it, but yeah. It's beautiful that everything is a kind of mirror to everything else. You know, we're coming together and everything is magnifying everybody else's efforts, sort of thing. So we're no longer alone. We're part of the group. And just, you know, touching upon that as well, the whole sovereignty piece, because I know you've been speaking about the Pisces pile up, but we're literally just moving into the moment. So I do want to have a little chat about that, but the interesting shift into, is it zero degrees of air is, and how that is like a new dream and coming into our sovereignty is and what do we wish to create? So just kind of touching upon that shift that we're just coming into. Yeah, this is so huge, Sarah. I mean, this is so huge because, and I'm going to probably have to do a separate video on this, because it's the rarity of the astrology that gives it potency, that gives it power. Because it isn't just that all of the outer planets within 15 months are changing sign. I mean, that's really, you know, we haven't had that for 300 years, but if you add in the dwarf planets, some of them are changing sign, then I don't know how far you have to go back for that to have happened. So there's this very big sense of endings and beginnings. So, you know, the end of Pisces, 29 degrees of Pisces is the very end of the zodiac and Pisces, Neptune, its ruler is coming onto that. It's about dissolution. It's about the void. It's, you know, it's just about the end of an old world, not the world, but an old world and the illusion and the fails and the deception. But zero of Aries is actually the most important degree in the entire zodiac because it's the first degree. And I call it the creator degree because we've got a blank slate. We've got more of a blank slate than we have ever had. They're so exciting. Because the consciousness is changing, which you're very aware of, Sarah, with all your healing work. You know, the energy is changing. We're getting a lot more galactic connections. That will increase going through, which will expand our consciousness further. So, you know, there's so many game changers. Yes. And, you know, you're talking about all the outer planets changing. The outer planets are very much about that collective consciousness. So that's the level we're kind of shifting on. It's like, boom, isn't it? Yes, it absolutely is. And so it's unstoppable. The planets aren't going to start to go backwards. It's absolutely unstoppable. And so it's interesting that, yes, it's absolutely the entire collective, all of humanity. And from what I understand from several people, including Dr. David Clements, it isn't just the ascension, the upgrade, the evolutionary jump for humanity and the Earth. It's for the entire universe. Yes. Yeah. It's kind of mind blowing. And I'm going to ask you more about it because I don't, you know, I'm not sure I fully understand how that's going to work. So what is exciting is Neptune on the 30th of March moves on to zero of Aries. It hasn't done that since 1861. A long time, so 165. Saturn on the 25th of May also moves on to zero of Aquarius, of Aries. It hasn't done that for 29 and a half years. So they both come together exactly to the degree zero of Aries in July, but to the minute zero of Aries, can't quite remember the minutes, but on 20th of February, 2026. Now they come together very reliably every 36 years, every 36 years they come together, but not at zero of Aries. That makes the difference. Yeah. Yet last time it was 1987, I think that was in Capricorn, which was to do with with walls and building structures and the old order. So you had the collapse of the Berlin Wall. And prior to that, it was 1952, 53, and that was in Libra. That was because it resonates very much to Russian history as well. And that was the death of Stalin. So they come together very reliably, but it is at least 12,000 years. And please correct me anyone if that's not correct, but to my research, it's been over 12,000 years since that Saturn and Neptune have come together at zero of Aries. And I've got people writing to me at the moment saying, well, I have my Saturn in Aries and I'm not 12,000 years old. Now clearly, but all of those conditions have to apply. It's Saturn and Neptune coming together at zero of Aries. It's not any other degree in the zodiac. So one expression of that is making real the dream. And it's a whole new episode for humanity. And I'm more and more looking at astrology as modeling play. I really want to move away from what are the planets? The destiny, yes. It's malleable. Yeah. So what do we want it to be? What do we want this dream to be, this new episode for humanity? What do we want it to be? I love that. And if this is about regaining our sovereignty, we've given away our power to leaders, politicians, all of those external authority figures which we're losing trust in. The hierarchical power, so that bringing it back to a level again, the power structures. Exactly. And that's all cracking and collapsing, but we've equally, I believe, given away our power to the planets. People come to us and say, what are the planets doing to me? What is my fate? Well, it's interesting because it's then a way of staying in victimhood, isn't it? Whereas if we use it as a tool to walk the ascension path, it's a much more empowering approach, isn't it? Than just saying, oh, this is in my stars. Absolutely, 100%. So from my humble point of view, and I'm only speaking from my own astrological practice at the moment, I'd like to encourage people to see it as much more malleable than it has been. Don't give away your power to the planets. See the pattern, understand as far as you're able the astrology and say, how do I want to play this section of the music? How do I want to play it? What's the modeling clay? What's fixed in the pattern, but where is my latitude to play it magnificently? I love that, Pam. Thank you so much for clarifying that. It's done a full circle to my first point about destiny, free will. We've spoken a lot about the consciousness, what it means to be human from a consciousness perspective. We touched very briefly on the biology of this when you spoke about in a way we're hybrids. I'd love to go into the biology because I listened to your wonderful chat with Richard Rudd and he was talking about a genetic mutation and I know there's various pieces to that. So, is that something you can clarify a little bit? Yeah, I will share what I know. That was so exciting with Richard Rudd. It was incredible. It was Pluto, I think on the 30th of January, if I remember correctly, Pluto in his system moving into gate 41. I'm not at all familiar with gene keys, but that for his system was the beginning of a genetic mutation, which would take till the end of 2027 to complete. At the same time, it's very interesting that both Kryon, channelled by Lee Carroll, and Greg Braden have talked about in their different modalities, talked about the re-emergence of our 24th chromosome. Yes. In about 200,000 years ago, presumably this happened with the galactic beings, chromosome 2 and chromosome 7 were spliced together to leave us with 23 chromosomes, which made us more human, to feel human emotion, but we lost our multi-dimensionality or a great part of that. That is now coming back online and from what I understand, it is the solar flares or rather the light codes being carried by the solar flares that are reactivating our dormant strands of DNA to bring the multi-dimensionality back online. And that is happening really quickly. And once that starts to happen, and many people are feeling this sense of greater spaciousness, an expansion of their consciousness, they're becoming more telepathic, their healing abilities are expanding. And so, the mantra I use for those 15-minute free meditations is, we're welcoming in an expanded consciousness of love. And the field is very much supporting that at the moment, isn't it? If we surrender to that expansion, there's these huge opportunities to embody that love. Absolutely. And people report back to me that they're just feeling this tsunami of love that as we come together in the meditation, connect with our hearts, and people are walking over hills and mountains and streams and rivers, and then other people, other animals, other beings, galactic beings are all joining us in this kind of army of love. And it brings me to tears, honestly, because it was such a simple idea. But it's thrilling to think if love is the highest vibration, it is so easy for us to come together with free meditations at a particular time. If you live in Australia and it's the middle of the night, just set a clear intention you're joining with that group energy or whoever else's meditations you're joining. But it's all cumulative. It's all adding to this momentum of love, which is changing our timelines in every moment. And Limma Taggart has done incredible research, hasn't she, about all of this? Fabulous. And what I love on her website is she has that tab called evidence. And you can go and just check because she's quite scrupulous in her control versus what we were trying to do because I've joined a couple of her meditations. And she's very scientific in her method. I love she's done that. And of course, Dr. Bruce Lipton talks about this. Dr. Joe Dispenza has got so much evidence via his workshop. So, this is emerging into the field with so much proof for our innate sovereignty and power, which we've just lost in recent lifetimes. Well, I mean, if we cut ourselves, the body knows what to do, doesn't it? It knows how to heal. So, the system does want to move towards healing. And so, we do have that template within us Do you feel that a lot of the, would I call it, kind of awakening templates are being activated at this current time? And is the astrology playing a big role in that as well? Yes. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. And again, I come back to the dwarf planets and the power of, oh, I'm trying to explain this kind of simply because it isn't just the archetypes themselves, it's when they lock into very specific geometry, that they become activated. And then on top of that, if they're on specific degrees that are very hot and powerful degrees, the whole thing becomes a kind of boiling pot of a jump in our consciousness. And yes, I go back again to the dwarf planets, to Humira, to Selassie. Makemake is another one that's being very strongly activated at the moment. And that is about a whole new worldview. It's linked to the Rapa Nui people, the creator god of Easter Island. And Easter Island, and this is in the history books, was sort of laid waste through the European pirates arriving and cutting down all the trees and bringing disease and really destroyed the ecosystem. And at one point, there were only 111 inhabitants left on Easter Island. But incredibly, from that tiny population base, they were able to regenerate the population, but also the ecosystem to come back to thriving. And it's partly because there's a very rare naturally occurring chemical in the soil called rapamycin, which you can, by the way, buy as a food supplement, which crossed the Earth. That's another very powerful archetype for New Earth, that it lives, regenerates. And then you move to Sedna, the whole myth of Sedna, which I'm sure people are quite familiar about. Her father chucked her out of the canoe in the storm, chopped off her fingers, and she floated down to the deep. She drowned, but her fingers became these brand new, incredibly beautiful sea creatures. So, that wasn't just a transformation. It was a metamorphosis. It was a complete change in state. So, there's some big, big clues in the astrology. And this goes back to Richard Rudd, and I'm interviewing Lee Harris next week, who's got a book coming out imminently called The Future Human. And he's also talking about this new biology, not just new consciousness, but new biology, as Richard Rudd is. So, I am always led by the archetypes in the astrology, because I've been talking about Homer and Sedna for a couple of years, and I was anticipating this would be a new consciousness, a change in state, and the beginning of a metamorphosis to produce a new biology, to produce a new biological human with a higher consciousness. I didn't have any evidence then. I just had the archetypes, the astrological archetypes to inform me. But because I've been around the track a few times, I always trust the astrology, and then I wait for it to manifest in the world. Do you know what I mean? And you're great at finding the people that are speaking it from other angles as well, Pam, on your YouTube channel. It's great, because I think, wow, bullseye. That's great. That kind of fills in that picture. You know, wow, that's amazing. And it's very exciting, because it's like a kind of theoretical, multi-dimensional jigsaw. And then you see kind of popping off in the world, whether it's via physicists or biologists or spiritual people, you think, wow, that's thrilling, because it's fulfilling what I regard to be a divine plan for humanity. Yeah. And you've found some wonderful young people, haven't you, on your Facebook? You know, innovators that are very young. Isn't that exciting? It's incredible. You know, Aquarius Energy is linked to genius. It's linked to youth. It's linked to innovation. It's linked to somebody really finding their unique gift to bring to the world. And I post them almost every day on Facebook, and you'll see them, Sarah. That's the only social media platform apart from YouTube I'm using. But some of these children are 12 years old. Yes. It's incredible, isn't it? You know, they're winning science prizes because they're finding incredible ways to produce free energy or water in an area of desert. I mean, it just blows my mind, these children. So, they've come in with all these templates already activated whilst we're trying to still kind of play catch up and shift. They're already the new humans. So, we can look to them as much as anything else, really. They absolutely are, Sarah. And, you know, take my hat off to these incredible kids. They're going to be our future leaders. Yes. They don't want to be leaders in the old sense of top-down, but they will be the visionaries, the inventors, the innovators, the progressives. And we, as the older generation, myself particularly, will be following their ideas and saying, this is phenomenal. How exciting. It's natural, it's organic, and it's thrilling because it's changing the world. It's super exciting. I love this about your work, Pam. You always put the positive angle on everything and really focus on that. That's so important. I kind of feel it in my bones because, you know, I really do try and walk my talk in incredibly simple ways, but I can just drop into bliss. I mean, you know, my walks through ancient woodland every morning in whatever weather are non-negotiable because my neighbor's dog taps his watch and waits for me. So, that's kind of non-negotiable. And I was walking through the woods this morning, for once it wasn't raining, and there was a touch of spring and that kind of electricity and that kind of lime green appearing in the moss. And, you know, I could feel the elementals and I was just dropping into bliss. And this is not complicated. I'm not going into a ritual or a ceremony. I'm just looking at nature in awe and thinking, I am just in pure bliss with wonder at the life force which emerges so reliably every spring. I just love it. I just love it. And you're very much in the shifting into the heart space. I know a lot of your practices, a lot of the practical advice that you talk about are shifting into your heart space. And when we do that, we can be present with all the beauty of our world, really. Absolutely. And, you know, with your work, Sarah, with all the healing you're doing, this is your bread and butter too. This is at the core of your work. And that's where we're headed. We're headed out of the mind, which is so much smaller. We're headed out of the information age, you know, TikTok, Twitter, you know, short attention span into something much more, much more profound, which is the heart. And the heart is obviously the place where love emerges from. But it's also, I think, a kind of, that's the centre of a physiological harmony within ourselves of breath, brain, heart, but also a harmony with all that is. Yeah, very much so. With inner and out. This is kind of Lemurian, I feel, you know, with inner and outer. And that just feels so simple and so fabulous. It is simple, isn't it? When we put it down to that, just keep coming back. And, you know, the things that you've been talking about, it very much so feels like remembering, you know, of our multidimensional roots. Yeah, yeah. And that's what I feel, you know, so much of the ancient wisdom of the indigenous people, but I feel it'll go even deeper. I think it will be a friend and colleague of mine, American astrologer, Martha Alter Hines is one of the people I know who's channeling inner earth beings. And I know that other people who are doing this too. And, you know, that is thrilling because that may seem kind of wild and wacky and crazy, but they have so much to teach us. But in our arrogance of we are a sophisticated modern society, we've just dismissed. But, you know, I don't think the world we've created is something to be admired. I think the ancient beings, well, they just have so much wisdom that we can, you know, should be on our knees in holding sacred space and listening to what they're saying, is my view. Absolutely. It feels like there's a lot of healing. And I feel that one of the most important things is to be doing that heart healing, that trauma work at this time, because we've all been so traumatized by the worlds that we live in, you know, it's fried our nervous systems as well. You know, the fast pace, you know, of everything, everything happening. So it's how can we come back to ourselves and come back to the heart? It's a journey of healing, really. And this is so much, you know, excusing the pun at the heart of what you're doing, Sarah, but I think even more important now, your work is even more important because things are going to speed up faster and faster and faster. They're not going to slow down and we're going to get very jazzed up. That's interesting. I'm pleased you've mentioned that because it's one of the things that I wanted to speak with you about, because I went to the dentist last week and he said to me, is it really six months ago that you came along? It feels like last week. And you know, this acceleration of time, what's going on with that astrologically? Well, it's partly because the outer planets are moving out of heavy, slow earth and water into air and fire, which are fast. If you think a plane goes faster than a boat, they're very fast as elements. It's also, Saturn has been, and I did a video on this in March 2023, because Saturn moved into Pisces then and Saturn represents 3D density, linear time and Pisces dissolves. So that's why people are experiencing some time slippage and that, you know, just trip along this bit of road and here it comes, you know, weird things. But also because we're shifting upwards in consciousness away from 3D-ness, you know, we know that in those realms, time does not exist in the same way as we've lived it here by the clock. All of that's going to disappear and we're going to be living much more in the now, in the moment, because that is where our power lies. And that's the kind of gateway, and Tucker was talking about this last week, the gateway to multi-dimensionality as well. We've got to be in the now, not part of the past or the future to allow that shift to happen. So it's a combination of factors, but whatever, you know, our day-to-day life is going to feel certainly in the short term until we drop into that now faster, faster. So if you don't have grounding practice, bare feet on the grass, bare feet on the earth, if it's hideous weather, if you live in the UK through winter, you know, you can candle gaze, you can do breath work, you can do yoga, tai chi, qigong, have something that decompresses the duzziness. And particularly because we're so plugged into technology, and I think particularly the young people being, you know, kind of living via technology, they've been brought up with it, that's going to create a kind of ungroundedness potentially. And it's really important that we, you know, we decompress and bring ourselves back to earth. Absolutely. Thank you for the practical advice. Is there anything else that you'd like to share before we finish up today? I mean, I feel that I'm pretty much through in terms of being human, all the questions that I kind of formulated in my head, you know, I had intended to ask you about this year, but I know that you've been speaking a lot about that in recent videos, but if there's anything that feels important to share at this time, that will be wonderful. Yeah, a few things actually, and you've asked great questions, Sarah, and I love that it's been different because it makes me think. So, definitely the grounding, you know, the UK is not great in winter, but find a way to do that, find a way to decompress, listen to sacred music, listen to Tibetan bowls, you know, meditate, just breath work, even if it's a few minutes a day, that's really important. Live from the inside out, not the outside in, and by that, I mean stamp, stamp, dominate your days with feelings of love, joy, gratitude, peace, and bliss, because that will define your outer reality day to day, and do it as a game, watch it, watch how it changes relationships and interactions through your day, and be kind, be kind, you know, everybody's on their journey, and we're going through very accelerated times right now, be no rehearsal to this, and be loving, be kind, and be loving to all those, you know, I've had a very challenging relationship with a neighbour, and I just keep her ponaponing her to death, really, I just keep sending her love, and that has really radically changed that relationship, and I won't rise to the feisty bait, I will just keep sending love, and it has really changed that relationship. So, be kind, be loving, and that will define your reality. Beautiful. Thank you so much, Pam, it's been an absolute pleasure to chat with you today, and thank you for sharing all your incredible insights and wisdom. Yeah, it's been great, I've loved it, actually, Sarah. I'm pleased you've loved it. I've loved it also, it's been an absolute pleasure. Thank you so much, and thank you for everyone listening in today. Lots of love, everybody. Lots of love. Bye.