The Role of Educational System in Children’s Lives - Baghban S2E10

There has not been a period in the history of mankind which is like the present one where humanity, our youth and children are facing 400, 360 degrees of conflict where social media, television, educational system, busy life, lifestyle, education is exactly that thing by which you start recognizing yourself. What does your child want, think about it, what is his strength, until the light of courage does not burn within you, sir, you are not educated, I have seen matriculation pass people with extreme civility, school cannot teach this, it is not in the responsibilities of a teacher who comes for eight hours, it is not in the responsibilities of a teacher to educate the children, teach them ethics, or this is not happening, even if you go to a big school, there the teacher is not taking the child to the washroom, nor is a maid taking him, Ilm Masam that means a person should acquire knowledge from someone by listening and seeing from the Samat, and Ilm Matam is that a person should understand within himself the Haqa ilm, that is, understand the Haqa. Bismillah Rahman Rahim, viewers in our program Baghban Well, for me it is an honour and a difficulty as well because for the first time I have to host such a programme and I accepted this responsibility because the purpose of this programme is such that in our times, this is badly needed. There has been no such period in the history of mankind as the current one where humanity and especially our youth and children are facing 360 degree riots. Where you see riots and immoral things everywhere in social media, television, educational system, busy life, lifestyle. Now if we have to save our generations, then first of all we need to be aware and then how to educate our generations. We need to learn and understand these habits. The topic that we have chosen in this programme is the educational system in the lives of children. What is our education system and how should it be? With this educational system that is in place, we can achieve that status. These are the things for which Allah has created us. Can this educational system give us everything that is required by human nature or can this educational system only fulfill the needs of our efforts? These are very difficult questions for which we have to find answers. We have to get acquainted with the public and the people so that they can understand what is the thinking of a nation and what is religious education and religious perspective on these topics. Therefore, the way this program is organized, where some specialist guests are invited, in today's program also we have two special guests. We will first introduce them and then move forward with the program. First of all, we have Mr. Abid Naseer sahab who is an expert teacher of A level and is also a TV anchor and is also familiar with the educational system because he teaches higher classes. And with us is Mrs. Kahkasha Abid who is also an A level or O level teacher. And there is also a mother, i.e. a parent, so on our topic of today, we will question Abid Naseer sahab, a teacher, and Mrs. Kakeshan, a mother, in the capacity of a parent. Our subtopic today is the need for education. No one in the world denies that there should be no education. Everyone needs education. But still, if we look at the whole world, the literacy rate is 86% at this time and the literacy rate in Pakistan is close to 56%. But at the same time, if we look at the nearby countries, especially the system and the system, the country like China, where there is a very large population, at this time China has reached close to 100% in its literacy rate. There is such a tendency towards education that within these issues, now we move towards our basic fundamental question from where we start so that This topic should be deeply felt by our viewers and listeners so that we understand everything by going to Juziya and then when its result comes out, that result should be strong and there should be no doubt about it. My first question would be to Mr. Abid Naseer sahab that you are related to education i.e. knowledge, then how will you define knowledge? First of all, many thanks to your TV. You have started a beautiful program like Baghwan, if you distance yourself from Allah, then education also gets destroyed, even the principles, children and property also get destroyed. If you rise to destroy the sword, then what is the use of sword, even the slogan, Takbir also gets destroyed. When it destroys the person with this weapon, it tells the destination and tells the purpose of your existence. Education is available everywhere. There is no dearth of education in Pakistan. The problem is to transform this education into knowledge. This is a big problem. Alamiya, this is our system, our teacher. Our parents are not able to understand this thing. When our child He goes to college, goes to school, goes to university, is that which he acquires really knowledge? No, it is a certificate, a paper, through which he is just going to enter some cinema. He will enter the cinema of this world, but he will not be able to understand what drama is going on, what is the system. With that training, he enters the interview hall from there, but will not be able to perform. Training is basically that thing through which you start recognizing yourself, when you recognize yourself, when you transform it and convert it into knowledge, then only you execute it, not execution, that means it is correct to say that knowledge is just information, facts, concepts, knowledge. We are talking about knowledge, not training, that what is knowledge. Ilm is just information, concepts, facts, skills that a person hears or acquires through his senses in some way or the other. What I have understood till today is a misconception that basically everything is in training. You have been taught this concept, understand it, 2 P 2 = 4, how to implement it, what is its execution, I think this is knowledge, we need to understand this one line, actually when those formulas are explained to us, we just memorize the formula, we do not know how to execute it, if we come to know about its execution then the work is set, isn't it? Our youth, after doing his masters, goes through the education, but he does not have the knowledge as to how to execute it, the definition of education given by Islam is very beautiful, it is found in the Hadith, it is very simple that Al-Ilm Noor, the knowledge is Noor, so if we open the word Noor, what is called Noor, Noor means that thing which makes a tiny thing visible, makes it clear, Noor is that your educated youth will never break the signal, he will get shocked, you should not break the signal, your educated youth will never He will not do bad manners, he will immediately get a flashback, you are educated but all these things are happening in the country, this is the problem, is n't it, that our system doesn't educate, our Ustad is not educated of that level or the teacher of that level is not educated of that level or he is not given training, right now training is not becoming the biggest sector in the world, Sir, Sir, you have used this very beautifully, until there is no training of an Ustad, until there is no training of a father, of a mother, the system will not improve, Sir, I was saying that your educated youth will not fight on the road, if your educated youth gets hit by a car, he will not get down and tell the biker what is your status, you broke the light of my new car, he will understand part of life, he will ask him did you think he was a thief, this is education, this is education, until there is no training, the country will not improve, is it not correct to say that there is some limit to knowledge, but you mean you can do it in your own way But what are you thinking, Ilm, you said that an educated youth or any person does not act in discipline, does not break the law, follows the law anywhere, but on the other hand, in the context of this, you see that this is happening in Mashri, I will give you an example of it myself, which I saw here, there must be a big car worth crores of rupees, a well-educated lady, she had a cup of juice or something in her hand, in the middle of the road, in the middle of the main road, she took it out of the car, drank it and threw it away, now she obviously looks like an educated lady, no, the one who has a car worth crores of rupees is educated, has not got a degree, or who knows, maybe he has found someone with a degree, it does not mean that we cannot do it like this, if someone has an Audi S or a big Lexus S or 8 P then he must be educated, otherwise it means that the one who is educated will not do this work, he is not educated, but most of them are educated, they are educated at 60, but what 60 But there are all disciplines in the country, Sir, my request is that even if you have done your masters, does not indicate that you are educated? So, are you educated? Or as you said, until the light of courage does not burn within you, Sir, you will not be educated. I have seen matriculation pass people attaining great civility. I have seen matriculation pass people attaining great civility. I have seen matriculation pass people following rules. I have seen matriculation pass people educating people. I have seen them change people's lives. I have seen them spread the word. Then where does the role of education come in here, Sir, when you are saying that on one hand, there is an uneducated world, the uneducated world defines it as one who does not have a degree, or in our country, for example, one who does not know English is uneducated, but Sir, the truth is that the definition that we have kept for an educated person, the praise that we have given to the branch is that one who can read and write his name, Sir, that So he probably studied one class or whoever studied any class, learns to read and write his name throughout his life, according to that, our education rate is 56 per cent, the literacy rate is one who only knows how to write, exactly Sir, with this definition one does not become a Mushri, one becomes a Mushe with this definition that one who has learnt the art of living, one who has understood the way of sitting and standing, one who has learnt the manners of young and old, one who has come to know who the parents are, one who has come to know who the elder brother and younger brother and sister are, one who has come to know what relationships are, in my opinion, education is given from the very first day when we get our child admitted in a mainstream school, sir, the biggest fault of the parents, you can say, is that you are the son of a rich father, and the status of a mother, you would definitely want to give education to your children, why would you want to give, what would be the purpose of it, thank you so much Sir, as you and Sir talked about the education of a rich boy or a rich girl That car was drinking juice and throwing it on the road. So Sir, we teach this to our children ourselves. When I sit with my children in the car, will I not tell them from childhood that why does our country not teach this? Sir, school cannot teach this. You pay a teacher who comes for eight hours, Rs. 10, 15, 20, she is making your child do his homework, she is teaching your child a lesson, she does not have that much time or you are not paying her that much that she should teach your child that son, do not throw the juice that you have drunk outside the car, keep it inside the car, throw it where a dustbin is available or throw it at home. The school should not tell this. This is what a mother has to say. This is what a father has to say. Your point is that it is not in the responsibilities of a muallim to educate children, teach them ethics or this is not happening. The difference Sir, I am saying this. It comes under the responsibilities of a muallim, but first it is the responsibility of a mother to teach her child. Teach that you should not do this if the child does not do this. A child who does not do one thing from childhood, when he grows up, if your son does not fight in school and throws juice cans outside, then even when he grows up, he will not throw it out of the car. Even when he grows up, if he has seen you fighting when he is small, if a bike has hit your car and he has not seen you fighting, then even when he grows up, he will not fight, but if he has ever seen you or my daughter has ever seen me throwing juice cans outside, then definitely when she grows up, she will do the same. And today, from your comments, the conclusion is that the education that is in our country today is lack of education, lack of education, rather I would say that there is a huge shortage in the way there is heavy load shedding, heavy load shedding of education and today I am talking about the morning, rather in the afternoon, when I came home in the afternoon, my son Abdullah, that is, the credit goes to the K.K. that they educate in this way. It was raining and Baba came with me in the car outside. I was parking the car and he fell down. He is a three year old child. He fell down. Baba, my hands got dirty. First, while wiping my hands, I got his hands wiped with the toilet water pot. Then he went inside. Then there must be some wrapper, meaning the credit goes to my wife. My children will sit with the wrapper in their hands for two hours until they become dusty. They do not throw it away. At the same time, when guests come in our family, there is a mess in our house, there is chaos. I would like to make a big quote and tell the children not to use the bathroom. He is a 10 year old child and he does not know how to go to the bathroom. The dimension of this discussion comes out that on the one hand you said that this work has to be done by the parents, on the other hand, you yourself are giving this example and it is also a fact that a large number, or we can often say that there is indiscipline, then the schools near you are not doing this work because they do not have time. The system, the school, no matter how much you If we go to a big school, there the teacher is not taking the child to the washroom, nor is a maid taking him there. That maid comes because we have to take a break. We will come to this after the break. But I would just like to end this section here that whatever the reason may be, the school does not have time, does not have facilities, whatever it is, they are not doing this work. The parents have to do this work. But it comes out from your results that the parents are also often not doing this work. If they do not do it, then who will warn the parents? Who will make them aware that the parents should do this work? Your and our TV does it. The media talks a lot about the terror of the killers in the desolate dome of the night. How long do we give our respects? Our words have been snatched away by the maids. Otherwise, Sukhanvar, we too can give voice to the stones of our maiden colony. Your point is correct that the media should do this work, but here a difference of opinion comes up that what is meant by education? Education does not mean a process by which you can do something through which you can do something. Provide information, develop thinking, nurture and train children, this is the education of children. So, is it not necessary that if we do this in the educational system, then the child who will come out after getting trained in the educational system will also become the parents in future, so they will then go and train their children in that way, so the point comes back that it is the responsibility of the educational system to do this work, to train, not only this, we can leave it to the parents, basically the way you have described this whole system, eco-system, it is a very beautiful system, but the problem is that basically only information is given, nothing happens beyond that, as you told, the conclusion that was coming from our respected guest was that education is information, but the education that is prevalent in our country does not train, it means that the work of education also includes training, which is not It is happening at this time, now here we have taken a general view from our guests, now we come to what is the view of Islam, of religion, towards education, how has the book of Allah Taala presented education, what perspective has the Quran given of knowledge and education, so we go to our guests and first ask them how education has been presented from the Quran perspective and religious perspective, in the 6000 verses of the Quran, in the first five verses, the Prophet (peace be upon him) was told that what is the importance of education, what is knowledge, the importance of the pen, the importance of education, so what can be a bigger lesson for us than this, what can be the advice that we do not have to take this education to get a job, we should acquire this to understand ourselves, we should acquire this to talk to ourselves, if ever we go into the negative aspect, immediately our conscience tells us that this is not your place, no, this is not your place friend, you are made for more destination, when this is inside a human being Sir, you have got education, that knowledge and this is the Quran, basically the purpose of knowledge which I have understood till today. All those people who acquire self-knowledge, I have got them education as well as knowledge and I felt that the interpretation of the Quran is that these are the people who will bring reforms in the society, these are the people who are playing a role, actually I mean these are 5-10 people about whom I am talking, who are using the knowledge correctly in the light of the teachings of the Quran, when both religious and worldly knowledge will work together, then it is my personal opinion that a very positive direction will come in the society, things will mature, this is another debatable topic that are there two types of knowledge, religious and worldly, or is knowledge just knowledge, good knowledge, you are really right that worldly and religious knowledge has been given by Allah and spread in the world, now the world is collecting the knowledge of its own intentions and desires, which Allah has given I gave him the understanding that he is accumulating religious knowledge, the one who has more interest in worldly things is accumulating worldly knowledge, so the thing is that worldly knowledge is bad, we cannot say religious, Alhamdulillah, worldly knowledge is also more important for living, that knowledge which is a means of employment for you, what is that? Someone had asked Mirza Ghalib what is called debauchery, when your hobby, your means of employment, becomes a means, then you are indulging in debauchery, you are enjoying yourself, right? Suppose you like anchoring, your employment also gets related to it, you like to say that it has become a means of employment, so ok, well, I would like to quote an academician, sir, our unsung students who did MSc Maths Communication, that is, I am talking about my batch, there were 66 people, we had 66 roll numbers, would you imagine, only one Ab Naseer is visible on the screen, that is why I am not happy, I can say, friend, where are those 65, friend, help those 65 also. Should have come 65, 35, would have been 30, friend, we would have been visible, friend, my batchmate is Anneli, sir, what is the reason for her, could not be educated, or was not taught the style of speaking in front of the camera, we were taught by great people, I am not saying bad things about the instrument, I also studied from them, we got a little diverted from our discussion, sorry, we were talking about what viewpoint and what importance has Islam given to education, how much importance has it given to education, to knowledge, as you also said that the first verses that came, we taught you, we gave you knowledge, we gave you knowledge with the pen, that means, from this it becomes clear how important knowledge is, but on the other hand, there are other verses in the Quran, like there is a verse in Surah Zumar in which it has been very clearly differentiated whether those who have knowledge and those who do not have knowledge are equal, Subhan and then the Quran says that only the one who is ul al-baab can take Tajak, that means the one who reaches the depth of knowledge takes Tajak That is, in his Zakhara, in his remembrance, Allah is always mentioned. Allah is remembered, which means knowledge takes a person to Tajak. If knowledge reaches deep and reaches its core, I would like to talk about this more. I would like to say that each verse of the Holy Quran invites us to Takr and Dur. So this is knowledge. Allah gave life and death so that He can test you. Who among you does good deeds and who does bad deeds? Now, there is knowledge of good deeds and bad deeds. Whoever acquires the knowledge of good deeds will go towards the sky. Whoever acquires the knowledge of bad deeds will go towards evil. One should acquire this knowledge. This will be extremely beneficial for man in worldly and spiritual terms. Well, that knowledge which invites man to Takr and Dur. He should be avoided. And the Holy Quran has repeatedly told man to think about Allah. Allah is very strict. You will come to know that this is good. If you read the Quran, we are absolutely against your words. The person who is related to this is invited to follow the teaching of continuous learning and the hadith of our Prophet himself is that I have been sent to impart education, I have been sent as a Muslim, I have been sent to impart education and there is also an incident that once when Rasalat Maab reached the mosque, one group was praying and another group was studying and teaching, then there Salat Ma Salam said that both these groups are doing good deeds but I have been sent to impart education and after that the group that was imparting education went and sat with them, Sulla Asna Ghazwa Badar Sir, he was told that if you educate 10 children, you will get freedom. Now my question is that it is proved from the religion that the importance of education is very great, how many parents will be there that when they send their children to school and teach them, they have this passion that their children should study and become Muslims, this is a very interesting question, well this is it The biggest mistake of the child is that we are always wrong in things. We have not allowed that standard of Muslim to remain. Till now there is no scene of respect left in our educational institutions. There is a rote learning system in our school. We are all following it. So this is the reason that parents do not want their children to become experts. The IT sector has come in the IT sector. Children sit on the computer, learn freelancing and earn money. Well, unfortunately, depression has created a lot of people. Well, a whole lot of people have come in the IT sector. 50 lakh people have become immensely successful in the IT sector. Just yesterday I was in Pragam Flush, they started a new project, Bano Kaabil of Seva. It is a very good project. They teach freelancing to children. They teach editing. They teach designing. Wherever it is being taught, but if it is not someone's hobby, then why is it taught? Does the whole society have to move in that way? So, being a society, we should make it the first interest of every person. What does he want? If he becomes what he wants, he will make a profit and spread knowledge. If he does what he doesn't want to, then sir, more people will get depressed. Sir, being a society, we are not successful just because we like to do a work. If you do a work, then your parents will put their children to the same work. If a child does FSc and becomes successful, then there will be 100,000 such parents who will give the example of one child to their thousand children. He did FSc, you should also do FSc. This is what is happening in our mind right now that people doing freelancing are saying that learn computer, computer Mashra is not successful just because of this. Think about what your child wants. What is his strength? Does he want to become an engineer? That means a Muslim Mashra accepts this thing even from a religious point of view that knowledge has status. Their prophet is Muallim Ham. On the other hand, there is also a tendency towards acquiring education, that the child should go to school, study and become successful. After studying, he should become whatever he wants to become. But Muallim There is no importance of Muslim. It is absolutely right. It is absolutely right Sir. That is why the importance of Muslim is there in our country. A policeman is also important. A judge is also important. An anchor is also important in our country. But Muslim is not important. That is why our children are not becoming Muslims. That is why we are not able to create a proper education or a community. Now it is time for a little break here. We will come to this question, we will continue it, that why Muslim is not important in our country. We have to resolve this. Our conversation was very interesting. In our country, there is a great inclination towards acquiring knowledge. At present, there are about 22 thousand schools in Pakistan and the average school capacity is 400. And if we divide it with the population, then the capacity of approximately 40 children per class, which is still high according to the international standard, which means that there should be further increase in your school for about 50-60 children. But still, there is a great inclination towards education in the community. There is an inclination and because the community is Muslim, it accepts the view of Islam which is towards education and religion. Our Prophet Sallallahu al-Wasallam is also a Muslim, his message is that he has been sent to impart education, that is, it is no longer an argument but a debate that we deny the importance of education, but our question was that when education is so important, there is a hadith of Prophet Muhammad himself that those who are knowledgeable among people are more valuable, their value is more than those who do not have knowledge, who are not educated, who do not have knowledge, do not have education, that is, it proves everything, but even then when we have to educate our children, but we take them towards which profession, we often do not think about it and very few people think and plan in advance that our child has to become a Muslim, why is there no importance of a Muslim in the society, when there is so much inclination towards education, why is there no importance of a Muslim Sir, in our system the importance of a Muslim will be when you tell your son that son I am teaching you so that you become a Muslim. You or I or any son will ask about the salary of a Muslim then it is Rs. 200, Rs. 25, this is the problem of the system. The salary of a Muslim is Rs. 20,000, 15,000 or much more. If I say that a government Muslim's salary is Rs. 35, 70 or even the maximum, that is if the salary of a Muslim increases then the inclination will also increase. We will not make Muslims just by increasing the salary. Do we give the same importance to a teacher as we give to a policeman or a CSP officer or a judge? Why don't we not? The question is this Sir, now this is the system. I will quote an incident that happened in Moshe that in a European country a judge gave a decision against his teacher. When he started giving the decision, he saw that this is my teacher. So he broke his pen. Why is he successful? He is successful because a teacher taught him and he became a judge. If the teacher had not taught him, how could he have become a judge? This means that in the western world, education is respected. There is respect for the teacher as well. Because today a person has become a judge, in your own example, he accepts that his teacher played a very active role in his becoming a judge. That is, whatever he has achieved is because of the teacher. Teacher in the court. This is a famous saying of the times. Afaque Ahmad Sahib was challaned in the court. He had to appear in court. When he was asked, the judge asked him, he said, “I am a teacher. I was getting late from the university.” So the judge said, “Teacher in the court.” The entire court stood up and for respect, he forgave the challan and let him go. The teacher said, “This society, these people who progress, progress because of this. And today if we have presented the teacher as a hero, this system is not working.” He crashed, let us try to present the Ustad as a hero, that is, the output of education in our society, the result that comes out, is then turning out to be a commercial result, that you have to go towards the field which pays you more, he has mentioned it beautifully, the societies in which education has been commercialized, they have ended in terms of education, whereas all the prophets were teachers, but no prophet asked for money for imparting education, in our times, in our childhood, I remember our Ustad, may Allah bless them with infinite blessings, even today we go to the Ustad, we feel very happy to meet their children, the Ustad who taught us with loneliness, today his children are becoming engineers and doctors, the Ustad who had the custom of smoking hookah at that time, people used to smoke hookah while sitting and come on, write the same Takti, then I will smoke hookah sir, his children are electricians today, his children today I am not saying bad about any Ustad, I am saying that in the society, until you understand that you have to reap what you sow Unless the Ustaad accepts his responsibility, this Mushra will not grow and I am a great man, if my children are worthless, then the biggest reason for it could be that I, being an anchor, being a teacher, did not play my role. You accept the fact that our educational system has become materialistic, but still most of the time the effort is to put their children in the most expensive schools. Why exactly, because in this society there is only a race of materialism. I remember an incident that in my early career I used to teach tuition, I used to teach Urdu of O and A levels, and I used to go to homes to teach, even then I used to wear a tie and go like a very professional teacher, so as soon as I came out after teaching, I sat on my motorcycle, then a lady accompanying me asked me how much money do you take from them, I told her at that time, 00-200 rupees was a lot of money, I am talking about 2012, then she said that You came to our house also to teach madam, we will meet tomorrow, this lady told me the next day that you will not go to their house to teach, why will my children become victim of inferiority complex, we have to teach the children, if a teacher of good standard is teaching in this house and he goes to teach in that house, then their standard will become low, so sir, what are you teaching the children, Alhamdulillah, we had a good discussion, we are very grateful to you Bad Naseer Sahab and madam, you gave your good inputs and hope that the viewers would also have at least appealed to us that whatever is happening in the educational system in our country, where there is a fundamental problem with us, towards which we have to refer to the Hadith in which it has been said that there are two types of knowledge, one is ilm mat bua and the other is ilm masum, ilm masum, that means a person should acquire knowledge from someone by listening and seeing from the Samat, and ilm mat bua is that in which a person should understand within himself the right thing. Ilm means understanding the truth is that which is acquired by hearing from someone else or by reading it, that Ilm Masam and the one which one understands on his own through natural disposition, that Ilm Mahua. Now what is the relation between these two, which knowledge is correct and which is wrong or both are connected to each other, Insha Allah, in our next session we will go towards the purpose of education, what is the purpose of education in the light of this Hadith, so viewers, we take permission from you from this program, Insha Allah, we will be present again with the next episode of Baagbaan, until then Allah [Music] Hafiz B