Fireside Chat Ep. 175 — Dealing With the Woke Mob | Fireside Chat

Hi everybody, welcome to fireside chat number 175 Great to be with you And i'm not alone. I am with four members of prager force. That's the student organization of prager university Now up to I was just told by sabrina who runs the show and does a great job. I might add 13 000 and how many countries are represented? Do you do you know? Literally over a hundred countries Oh, I got the chills. I really did that that is so powerful. So we have four they won a lottery To come to la and to come to the fireside chat, correct? That is great. I asked all of them if they cheated. I just just for the record. They all denied it Claiming membership in well, I won't even say which party so they will we'll leave that aside Anyway, uh, i'm very happy for them. Let me see buffalo el paso san diego And minneapolis, is that I got that right? Yeah, that's that's wonderful. So we're gonna meet them in a moment. I just want to open up with a few comments I had on my radio show this week a polish professor In uh in poland. He teaches in poland And he wrote a book on freedom He is the polish representative to the european union By the way, I did speak at the european union in brussels and it's on youtube in case you're curious to see what I have to say uh to Europeans In any event, he is the polish representative of again a professor of philosophy And he was the former minister of education and he wrote his book on freedom So he made a very interesting point made many interesting points And I would just like to share one with you I asked him about the relationship between religion in the western world and freedom, which I believe is Is complete Uh, not that religion was always, uh, the greatest promoter of freedom, but it has been certainly for the last 100 years and the decline of Christianity and i'm saying this as a jew that the the decline of christianity has led to Uh, only basically a removal of freedoms. It's happening in the united states as america gets more secular We get less free we are less free than any time in american history In fact, and I believe it has a lot to do with the decline Of religion the founders of the united states believe that god wants people to be free That's a pretty big deal Anyway, he made a point that I have long said that leftist religions Environmentalism feminism humanism marxism socialism all the isms these are secular substitutes For religion specifically for judeo-christian religions. So that'll be protestantism judaism catholicism mormonism Uh, or lds's as they refer to themselves So anything anything rooted in the bible is a judeo-christian offshoot So what has happened, uh, he he pointed out again something I believe is we have substitute religions No one is irreligious. There is no irreligious human in the world The only question in life is not do you believe in a religion? Is what religion do you believe in? No one has no religion People are guided by some faith Faith in in humanity faith in science You you name it, but but there's there's some faith issue and so, uh Leftism is substituted for christianity in in europe and the united states, but he then made an interesting point The I and I I wish I could play it for you He had a somewhat of a polish accent, but it's very clear. His english was great In fact, he actually wrote the book in english, which is amazing So he pointed out that like religion traditional religion Leftism has a whole list of sins But it's much longer than the catholic list of sins. He poland is catholic So we're using that example or or protestant or jewish. It doesn't matter The the list of sins is enormous And so think about it I I gave the uh, I gave the acronym six herb So that he cracked up when I did this for him, you know, sexist intolerant xenophobic homophobic islamophobic racist bigoted So there you have a sin, right? So Sexism is a sin intolerance is a sin xenophobia is a sin homophobia is a sin racism is a sin Bigotry is a sin Transphobia is a sin. Uh, let's It's All non-wokeness The list is enormous of the of the possible sins Cultural appropriation is a sin Isn't that isn't that astonishing? You by the way cultural appropriation is beautiful It's not a sin Brett stephens in the new york times in the new york times wrote this past week a column About how conde nast Uh, which publishes bon appetit, you know cuisine magazine Uh got in trouble Because are you familiar with this? Is that why you're nodding? So tell me if I get this correctly so Years ago. It wrote an article Of a non-jewish woman wrote an article on her recipe for hamantaschen hamantaschen is a is a jewish uh food That's associated with the holiday of purim which comes from the book of esther uh in uh in the bible And it's it's it's like the jewish mardi gras people Dress up in costumes and so on and it's a fun day Uh for all it's it's the most fun day in the in the jewish religious calendar Anyway, uh, one of the things is hamantaschen, which is the ears of haman. Haman is the villain in the story And so she wrote her own recipe and she was attacked for it How could a non-jew dare imply that she has a great recipe for a jewish? Uh, uh a jewish dessert item. Is that absurd? So I I don't even understand. So if I make a good rice pudding, am I culturally appropriating the greeks? Because they're they're known for their rice pudding. I What i'm pointing out is they just make lists of sins Never think that you got free because you're out of christianity. You didn't get free. You got probably far more encumbered with with with sin Uh, then uh, then in christianity and here's the irony at least christians forgive The left never forgives Oh, you said this 36 years ago. No more job Christians wouldn't do that. What if you said the most horrible things about christianity? 35 years ago and and have not since And or even became a christian would they say? Oh, you're you're you're dead. Of course not I've spent my life On many subjects, but the biggest overall subject is the consequences of secularism The death of god and religion in the west is the tragedy of our time And by the way, you don't have to be a believer douglas murray is uh is Uh secular completely secular uh, but but he just like me just You don't you don't have to be religious to recognize that the death of of Judeo-christian religions is the death of the west As he put it the hole It's a good term that he used the hole filled The hole that needs to be filled because the hole that is left by the death of christianity in europe So this man made this great point I had never quite thought of it the gigantic list of sins That the left has for us And you don't even know when you've sinned It's not even knowable you might have said something here the the uh, the president I think of or owner I think president of the seattle mariners baseball team 25 years So he said that uh completely non Condemnatory way spoke about one of his pitchers paid millions of dollars a year I think he's been on the team six years and he said, you know, I wish the guy would learn english He uh, because he still uses a an interpreter. He's japanese player. He still used an interpreter. He he was He was kicked out of the team What is wrong with saying that? Let's say first i'm not even saying he was right But you're not allowed to have an opinion. Why is that insulting? I don't understand why it's insulting to say, you know, the guy's paid a fortune. We still have to uh, We still have to hire in a translator When when we uh when the coach goes out to speak to him or the manager on the mound What is the big deal? We'll be we're becoming automatons People are self-censoring like crazy So I I needed to just share that with you in the beginning. I want to go to the uh, the prager force folks in the room so, uh, first of all You'll introduce yourselves when when you respond or when you ask a question I just do want to know I asked you this when we first met I am totally okay with whatever your answer is More exciting to meet me or otto Hey dennis, i'm kongman i'm 23 years old, uh from minneapolis, minnesota and to answer that first question Uh, that is a hard question. I knew it. I know it was meant. It's a hard question Uh, but I would say you for sure. Really? Yes. I do have an auto t-shirt You have a what? I have an auto t-shirt, but I will getting I will be getting a pillow with your face on it soon So there's a pillow with my face on it You're kidding me And we said no we have to have one with dennis to go with it There is a pillowcase. It's very flattering With my face on it You can like lie on my head when you go to bed We're selling it in the store now I it's selling in the store I I know this sounds odd, but is anyone buying it? I will soon don't worry if no one else is buying it. Oh, that's very sweet of you spell your first name K-a-n-g-m-i-n Right and you're you were born in korea. Yes, sir Before we go on because this is priceless beyond words. You have been called a white supremacist. Yes, sir. I have Oh, he's really made it. I made it Yeah, you really you When you tell the person who says you're a white supremacist, you're korean Well, how do they react they say oh like I know that but you've internalized white supremacy You've internalized whiteness and you've gotten you you want the approval. Oh, so whiteness is not a race Whiteness is is an attitude. Yeah, like we believe that math has one right answer No, no that do you know that? Yeah. No, I heard that especially yes If you believe math has one right answer, you're a white supremacist. Yeah, it's good. So and you you move to minneapolis. Yes, sir From so I grew up in new jersey and then I went to school in la and now i'm in minneapolis Are you fleeing anything? fleeing communism Hell yeah, I don't you may have run into it again This is very sad No, really. Why'd you move so much? Uh, well just I am a travel at heart. So I like to live at different places. Oh, you do Yeah, what's your favorite place to live? Um, actually this is a very unpopular opinion among conservatives but la I live in la No, no Here's the irony people. We're not we're not oregon. We're not seattle This is very important. There are more, uh conservatives or republicans in california than any other state There are a lot of conservatives in this state So I understand why you would like it. I have I have a tremendous community of kindred spirits here Well, welcome, thank you. Thank you. Okay next otto or me um Uh, my name is sam. I'm 17 from san diego. Sam. Yes. Is it short for anything samantha? Thank god because I don't know why a parent would name a girl sam I totally get why you'd be called sam. Yeah, it's shorter. But yeah, my parents won't do that Does anyone call you samantha? Um, like if your mother gets angry at you, what does she call you? She calls me samantha. I knew it That's the way it works. You get your whole name When only when your parent or spouse is angry at you Right. So, uh, where were you born? Um, I was born and raised in san diego. Oh, and you still live there. Yeah and uh And you live with your parents Same parents. Yes How traditional I know it doesn't happen very often. So you're lds. You're mormon. Yeah, I am. Did you ever find uh bigotry vis-a-vis? uh your religion Um, like how other people yes. Yes. All right. Yeah, I mean oftentimes people um, they like think that they know what we believe and so they'll like prejudge and so I Like to let people get to know me first and then their views of my religion are often different than people who Like know Like oh, you're a mormon or whatever Then they already have Well, let me tell you let me tell you something. You might not have been told my suspicion is That putting theology aside Mormons may be the most admired group in america And I have no axe to grind here none But I just want you to know that I have actually done this I have asked on the air If you if you had to make a business deal Tell then tell your uh lds folks about this if you had to have a business deal And you the honesty of the person was critical Because if they weren't fully honest you could go bankrupt What group would you most likely choose a person from and and most people said a mormon You have a very good reputation for your family life For for your your cheerful of personalities And and it's earned. I I I I feel that Twice a year. I my wife and I Have shabbat dinner a jewish sabbath dinner with uh, like six seven mormon couples At one of their homes in this Area that you're now visiting where i'm doing the fireside chat I've I I conducted the mormon tabernacle choir very warm feelings So I would I was just curious so uh San diego, does it have a big lds community? Um, yeah, I mean, I feel like there's a lot of members of my church there and so That's really nice for me. I mean, I like the community and everything Are you you're 17? Yeah, I am. Are you dating? Um Are you allowed to date? Oh, let me put it that way. Yeah, I am Go to a movie or something or dinner with a boy. Yeah, no chaperone. Yeah She's cracking up. This is When we well, I assume there were rules like at what age were you allowed um Well, it's like encouraged to wait till you're 16. So oh 16. I see. Okay but it's kind of more like the parents decide it's A lot of like the quote-unquote rules with the religion It's just like things that are encouraged, but it's really like you make your own choice for how you live. So That's really how many siblings do you have 17? Now, how is it just a joke between me and the mormon? Yeah, I have three younger brothers. That's it. Yeah, I know mormon family of four. I know it's crazy That's wonderful, it's great to have you so you you won the uh, the lottery yes But unlike those who flew here you just had a drive. Yeah, only two hours. Well, welcome to my house Thank you so much. All right next and you are My name is jessica. I'm 16 from el paso, texas And I was definitely more excited to meet you It wasn't like you in a question Well, maybe I don't know I'm, very touched. You're the youngest of the group. You're 16. Yeah So are you in high school? Yes Are there any other prager force, uh kids in your high school? I'm homeschooled, but I have oh you're homeschooled God, are you lucky? I mean it. Yeah, you are you're lucky. I am. I love being homeschooled I we need to do a fireside chat with homeschooled the people because Sending your kid to a regular school today is Is flirting with uh with russian roulette? I'm, sorry. I wish it weren't true. It just it just is so How how much are your parents involved in your homeschooling? Can can they? If they wanted would they be able to go to work? With me. Yeah, I could I do all of my school by myself right now. So But you you don't have a group Um, no, like I can join Like I can take certain Subjects with other friends if we use the same curriculum, but right now I just do it on well So that may play into people's fears That if my kid is homeschooled They won't have a social life That is where people are very wrong. I'm very very busy and i'm seeing my friends like all over the place. I'm in sports I have bible studies Um a lot of friends at church, so yeah, I think that's one of the really big Misconceptions. Yes. I'm glad I asked it then That's right So are you do you are you intent? I'm not a big college fan. So don't be hesitant Are you do you intend to go to college? I as of right now, I don't think so. Yeah, there's really no call for it unless you know, you're studying advanced botany Yeah, as of right now, they're i'm not um pursuing any specific career that I would need college for so if Later on. I see that. I want to pursue a career that I would need a degree for then Yeah, i'd go but as of right now, right? I don't think I need it. So And where are your parents from? My mom is from juarez and she moved to el paso. I think when she was around 15 And then my dad is so juarez is right over the border from el paso just to let people know. Yeah, okay And then she met your dad what She met my dad in el paso. He moved there from chicago. Where was he born in chicago? But his parents were from mexico Yeah, so you're either first generation or second generation mexican american. Yeah And how's your spanish? Pretty good. I get a little nervous when I talk to people or when they ask me to say something Can you say sabrina's doing a great job? Sabrina That's very that that's on record now in spanish Sabrina's here. She heads prager force Have you met uh, have you met others in prager force? Is this is this the first time? um, i've met people, um On social media and so I have like that must be great. I mean to have this national I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I I gotta believe meeting kindred spirits all over the country or the world Is that is that a big bonus in being in prager force? Oh, yeah, absolutely. I gotta believe it's the biggest I was super excited. Actually, um this group chat on instagram I got added to I think not more than like a week ago, but I was super excited and everybody was like so nice and like even just like Virtually the fact that I was able to feel so welcome even though I wasn't even talking to them in person Just kind of surprised me It was really cool. That is great So when you hear this constant refrain of the left that uh whites are Supremacists and everyone is a bigot Has that been your experience? um like To hear that from other people that I know this is the constant refrain that whites in america are all bigots They're all racists Has that been your experience with whites? No Absolutely, not, you know, I knew it wasn't when you said when you didn't understand the question No, no that that's what that was the proof that you're being sincere like what is he asking? Because it is it's absurd It's just totally absurd. It is I have a lot of white friends and they are some of my closest most genuine like I Absolutely, of course and they couldn't care less if your parents are from guatemala honduras mexico or or zambia We don't care This is it's really a forest So you won the lottery. Were you happy when you won the lottery? Yes, I was I was quite speechless. Sabrina had to ask me if I was still there because I was Oh, you called her up. Sabrina's here. That's who i'm talking to really. Oh, that's That's really nice. Yeah, it is a big deal To be flown here So you're you're doing I get it homeschooling in el paso Well, welcome to my home Thank you. And finally I got big news. Tell us your name first. My name is donovan. I'm from buffalo, new york I recently moved to dc And i'm 23 years old so donovan from buffalo Move, why are you moving to washington dc? I got an internship with the media research center. So I relocated. Oh, that's great. That's very nice Were you born with your hair that way? Uh, no, I was born with a decent amount of hair but not this much That is one serious forest. I mean, uh, uh, i'm so so sorry. So thank you Uh, we have a congratulations to give you. Yes. Thank you. Um, I just Uh got engaged to my fiancee About two weeks ago. I am I I love that i'm i'm pushing everybody to get married, especially nathan You know poor nathan he has to endure this regularly so, uh the The question I love asking every couple Even if they're 80, I just find it fascinating. How did you meet? Uh, we actually met online we met on facebook and I asked her we both love Amusement park, so I asked her to go on a date with me to an amusement park She said yes, and we've been together ever since I've always said people who love amusement parks make perfect couples That is really weird I'm, i'm just ribbing you. I ribbed you on your hair. You just seem ribbable donovan, which is a compliment No, no, it is a total compliment. It means I really like you but the uh, So that was it the the music so she likes roller coasters. Yeah, by the way, I love roller coasters I even sit in the front, uh, whatever you call them. Yeah, we always wait for the front. Yeah the front that's the way That's the only yeah, you see the drop. It's hilarious. I I know I I I don't have an issue with it. Uh, I There are things I don't like like, uh leftists, but uh, but going down Just just shooting the breeze so, uh you How did it come out on facebook that you both like There must have been some you must have been talking to each other Yeah, we were talking for a couple weeks. I would say maybe two or three weeks and then We were just talking about things we like to do She said she really likes to travel and go to theme parks and that's what I love to do So then I asked her if she wanted to go to six flags and she said yes, and was she from buffalo as well? Uh, yeah. Yep Are you uh, what do you call someone from buffalo a buffalonian? Yeah, I made that up and I was right a buffalonian I love that. All right, if anybody asks me what I am i'm gonna say i'm a buffalonian They won't know what the hell i'm talking about, but it is fun. By the way. Here's one. You ready? Have you all heard of halifax and the city in in canada halifax, nova scotia? No Any of you hear of it? So, how about this? You have to have gone there to know this A person from halifax is a haligonian Isn't that weird not a halifaxian? All right This is what you call unnecessary knowledge. I just I just thought I'd share that for a second. So You are moving. So is your fiancee moving with you? I assume. Yeah, we already moved. We moved back in You did already and you're waiting until things open up to uh to have your wedding do your parents like her Yeah, they like her a lot They do. Yeah, she like your parents. Oh, yeah What do you all radiate health? There's no There's no dysfunctional family represented in four people here. Well, her side is a little oh, yeah, okay But she really likes my side That's what counts That's really good Well, congratulations, i'm very happy for you. How'd you how'd you like your time in prager force? I love it a lot. Like you were just saying I love being able to connect with people across the world across the country too and just really be able to share ideas and It's a good way to connect with other people like i've made friends with these Three and I just met them like it's just such a great opportunity. So I really enjoy well, it's an instant sharing Obviously, that's a great thing All right, my friend so, uh, I asked you a lot of questions if you have any for me This is a great opportunity. This is normally as you folks watching. No, I take questions from either of a live video or people who've sent them in but With live people i'll take them live. Okie doke All right. So my questions about uh cancel culture and everything going on today and by the way Forgive me. No, no problem. They asked me Do you want to know our questions before we go? On live and I said absolutely not. I want this to be totally spontaneous So if you want to ask me the capital of moldavia You're totally free to do so go ahead What is the capital? I think it's kishinev. Okay We'll have to fact check that. Yes Um, but yeah in regards to cancel culture So we see most of the major major cultural institutions canceling conservatives these days we've had gino carano be canceled recently and a lot of people a lot of conservatives are being you know kicked off the Social media platforms and things like that. And so my question is whether or not Conservatives having their own space would divide or unite the country further Also, i'll take i'll take this last part first The the country is completely divided Liberals and conservatives have a great deal in common The left and conservatives have nothing in common. I mean literally nothing I wish it weren't true People who believe that you have to say men give birth or you are a hater What do I share with them? They live in a fantasy world to To not only believe that men give birth but to hold that if you Deny that you are a hater Is to have entered the realm of the absurd That was on Unenvisionable 10 years ago I said on the bill maher show. I don't know if you know that program, uh, but I said on his show a year and a half ago I said america is not systemically racist And men do men do not give birth Oh, excuse me men do not menstruate That's what I used and bill maher and the whole audience started laughing like what are you talking about? Who says men menstruate? but now Bill maher and his audience would not say men do not menstruate they'd be called transphobic So there's no forget the unity issue. Forget it. My only question is What can we do? to help americans reclaim liberty Reclaim the great america that existed despite its flaws And that's why we have prager you If if it had to be that we would be only on a conservative Platform we would do it, but we don't want that We want to change minds, but they are afraid of a five-minute prager u video They're lit and they should be by the way. They have every reason to fear a a five-minute prager u video Just as they fear when I go to a campus Why is there an uproar of a conservative not just me any conservative goes to a campus? You had four years to indoctrinate them with leftism and you're afraid of a one-hour lecture They have every right to be We puncture their bubble. Did I answer you because if you want to respond, that's fine If not, we'll go we'll go. Yeah, so I guess there is really no unity to have with the left because they're so different So then that's right. Just we need to focus on preserving the liberty is based on shared values Doesn't mean we agree on everything. We don't have shared values The america is composed of liberty in god. We trust e pluribus unum. They reject all three Okay, so I don't know what what is there going to be unity on You think america's a cesspool? I think it is the greatest invention in history. I agree with lincoln It's the last best hope of mankind. You think it's an s-hole What are we where are we going to have unity on that? Okay, I agree. Everyone watch the five-minute prager u videos That's right. Everyone should Okay, so my question kind of goes along with that a little bit I guess so Um, i'm oftentimes conflicted with just wanting to completely delete my social media so much of my Posts just get blocked or fact-checked or whatever and also just wanting to live in the moment more But then on the other hand, it's one of the most common ways for sharing information so What how what would be your advice I guess to just balance that? the the answer is You have to decide Do you want to be courageous or not? That that's what ultimately it comes down to most people do not want to be courageous Because it hurts If it didn't hurt it wouldn't take courage right when when uh You know american troops went into combat and in the wars we fought It took courage because you might get hurt Who goes into combat thinking they won't they definitely won't get hurt very few people You will get hurt So what you do is you learn? a few things first Not to take it personally So let me tell you a motto I developed for my own life because i'm attacked a great deal I'm also loved a great deal And I know that so here is something I long ago adopted. I made this line up And when people hear it, especially people older than you But you can fully understand it at your age uh, I If you I don't I don't let Insults go to my heart and I don't let compliments go to my head That's a very healthy way of looking at it So I I have a real equilibrium in my life And there are whole websites that mock me I read them. I look at them. I I then uh, you know, I finish my cigar And I don't think I actually don't believe my pulse goes up one beat It has no effect the uh It is what it is. You you can't stand for what is good and not get hit. It hasn't happened in human history You're you're all christian. That's the whole christ story. Why was he crucified? People couldn't stand his message I mean that you you live the idea that you you have to bear a cross so You I I wish everybody took judaism. Who's jewish and christianity who's christian seriously? There should be no question that you fight If you take your faith seriously, otherwise one has to ask what is the point of the faith? So, uh if you develop these courage muscles early at your age It's harder to develop at 40 Than at 17 So you're you're sort of uh You're getting ready for the fight And america's worth fighting for It really is does that answer you? Yeah, that was really good. Thank you. Great. Thank you. All righty so I know um I think was it a couple fireside chats ago. I think you were talking about how you uh tend to um Your nature is kind of lazy sometimes and tends to be kind of lazy and I i've noticed that i'm that way, too So my question is how about 89% of us are that way? So my question is how do you tell the difference between being lazy and not wanting to take on responsibilities and Giving yourself grace and not taking and not biting off of more than you can chew like where do you? Figure out what so this is what I did knowing that It's left to my own devices I will basically play Okay, I will get up at 11 Read in bed Get out of bed at noon Then you know listen to my stereo system And check out the internet what's new what's happening in the world some interesting articles on god's existence from romania I mean, I I don't waste my i'm not playing video games uh but um I could play So at a very early age, I realized that if I follow my nature I will basically go nowhere I won't be unemployed But i'll go nowhere So what I did was I took on more and more obligations So when I tell somebody, you know, basically i'm lazy and they go excuse me Didn't you just come out with the third volume of a five-volume bible commentary plus your radio show and your column and prager you and lectures And radio show every day and I go. Yeah, that's a good point. That is a good point. That's a lot So I when you take on obligations you have no choice the publisher wants his money back If you don't give the book more or less within six months of the of the due date uh, that's so my answer to you, I don't think there's a I have As busy as I get I have never felt i've bitten more than I could chew or chew more than I have bitten Or chewed as much as I bite But you know what I mean because that's the phrase you used Uh, I I would simply say But but I have to add something important. I'm blessed Because all the work I do I a love And b believe is important that That and by the way, usually they go in tandem If you think it's important you love it They're usually together so uh That's that's where I don't love every minute of it, but I love it. There's no such thing as loving every minute of your work the It's not possible so I I would if I were you I would challenge myself with taking on Obligations and Amazingly you'll find you're getting productive. Does that make sense? Okay. Thanks. Good luck. Yes My question is i'm a huge tucker carlson fan and about a year ago He recommended the book the age of entitlement by christopher caldwell america since the 60s and um, I was just curious because the book is very critical of the civil rights act of 1964 and How it's kind of at odds with the first amendment and the implied freedom of association So I was just curious how you feel about that and what your thoughts are are on about um, basically the first amendment and how the civil rights act goes against it or it helps it right, uh I've never commented on this publicly to the best of my knowledge and I comment on everything publicly I do I just I don't I don't hide any of my views but for whatever reason I I Either I wasn't I guess I just wasn't asked it because it's so long ago So let me give you a background and then give you my current thinking Whenever he hears the civil rights act he gets very excited. I it's not exactly understood why Can he be seen is uh is auto on camera? This is a this is one of it's a rare moment, but of course it's gone longer than a regular fireside chat And he's paid by the half hour. No, no, he Okay See now this was his way of saying I'm gonna show him it's not just for the money You're my man auto Otto is a crack up It's as simple as that In fact, we judge the health of a person by how they react to auto if they don't crack up. There's something wrong with them Okay, so back to your question. So I was how old was I? 64 or 65. I don't remember which what you Do you remember which year it was the civil rights act? 1964 so fine. So I was uh, I was 17 most of the year And I was passionately for it Because it was a disgrace the way blacks were treated. It's a total disgrace Can't go to a lunch counter and sit with the way it was embarrassing So it wasn't even an issue. It is simply wrong to discriminate based on the on race I I supported that for decades No, I I still supported it completely wrong to discriminate. I mean I supported the act however it metastasized so that now You're considered violating the civil rights act If you say that biological males should not race against biological females If the biological male identifies as a female so It's a graceful way of sitting in ferrato Barry goldwater opposed it ran for president in 64 He opposed it uh, and he got clobbered in the election, but that was mostly over they threatened that he They said that he would have nuclear war if he was elected Barry goldwater people don't know this. He was senator from arizona. They don't know He founded the n-double-a-cp of arizona He was a passionate believer in civil rights for blacks But he was a passionate opponent of the civil rights act he said we can't fiddle around with freedom people If if people it is totally wrong look Wrong and illegal are not always the same thing There are many ugly things people do that is eagle. That is that is uh legal, right? uh people You know if you curse out your parents that is usually a bad thing But it's legal. You can curse out your parents You can curse out your kid For that matter. There are a lot of things you can do to a child that are terrible and they're they're legal Legal is not so we don't ban every bad thing uh We we have a ban on on prostitution By the way, a lot of people think we should not ban prostitution i'm torn on the issue to be honest It's a very complex question to me, but I I so I understand both sides so if you are If you're for against a ban on prostitution Does that mean you're pro prostitution? That's absurd, correct? Just like if if you're if you're against a ban on heroin, does that mean you're pro heroin? That's that's that would be an unfair attack on everybody So to say you're against civil rights legislation doesn't mean you are for discrimination That is demagogic dishonest and all the other things the left does to its opponents It's a smear barry goldwater hated discrimination against blacks But to make it a law you must do x or y is And it's become a totally slippery slope completely Now the list of people you can't discriminate against Is become absurd vietnam era status. What does that mean? People were discriminating against people on the basis of their vietnam era status. What does that even mean? By the way, i'm a jew. So this is my theory If you open a country club and you say we do not want jews I believe you should be allowed to open that country club and ban jews and i'm saying this as a jew I I am more afraid of taking away your freedom Than I am of me being discriminated against Okay, so I that that's that's pretty direct I I think you're a lowlife if you don't allow jews into your uh into your country club By the way, what jews did was hilarious jews were not allowed into country clubs Until I would say the 70s And so what they did is they started their own country clubs now non-jews join the jewish country clubs It's a well-known fact, it's very funny Does that answer your question I had a feeling that when you asked that you were in sympathy with caldwell's view Or you're torn I would see I definitely I would say more torn, right? I really opened my eyes to like both sides of the yes, exactly use my jewish argument Yeah, definitely now clearly where there are certain basic public accommodations If you're a hotel in a rural area And a person needs a place to sleep. That's different. We we fully understand the certain things You you just can't but but in private life If there are 15 restaurants and you don't you don't want jews in your restaurant I will not force you to have jews in your restaurant just the same way on freedom of speech There was a very very famous, uh march in the 60s or 70s. I don't remember which Not neo-nazis real nazis real swastikas Marching in skokie, illinois a suburb of chicago Because a lot of jewish survivors of the holocaust lived there. These were so these people were sadists Your family was murdered by the nazis and now we're going to show you the swastika again Nevertheless every jewish group I knew of doesn't mean every jewish group said they have a right to to march Every every liberal group said it And that was real hate speech not what they call hate speech today, which is basically speech that the left doesn't agree with Now you mentioned uh, one of you mentioned the the woman, uh, maybe who mentioned it? the one who was just uh Yeah, gina corona I mean that that's mind-blowing She didn't she didn't make an equivalence of the holocaust and and and the left she just pointed out that there there are dangers to the suppression of liberty And and gave the example of germany. It's a fair example So she she didn't trivialize the holocaust the left trivialized the holocaust when they call everybody they differ with nazis That's the irony Freedom is very precious It's going to be misused. I of course people aren't a lot of lousy people around but uh I will gamble with liberty That's exactly right And the left hates liberty always did always will Liberals are the problem. They love liberty, but they vote for the people who hate liberty There the liberal is the problem They don't vote their values Big issue. Are we good? Well guys, it was a real pleasure Thank you, really it's a pleasure you you give me hope for the country And I uh, I really appreciate it so my friends this is uh This was a wonderful fireside chat with four members of prager force If you know somebody In high school or college or college age, is that fair to say? Or young professional we go to what age under 35. Oh, we go now up to 35 Oh, I almost qualify Yes Then uh, and they want to Help the country help prager you and meet wonderful people. What do they do? Just write to prager you go online and Prager for all prager force has its own dot com It's its own web page good, so yes, I strongly recommend that Every one of every age needs kindred spirits If I had if I could clone myself, I would start a website called kindredspirits.com So that people could meet people who share their values I'm blessed. I have so many wonderful people in my life, but i'm a public figure. It's easy to find such people But in regular life, it's not that easy So thanks guys. This was a joy. Thank you. Megan Nathan get married and I'll see you next week Thank you for watching this video to keep prager you videos free, please consider making a tax-deductible donation