The Candace Owens Show: Lauren Chen | Candace Owens Show

I guess not I guess I came at the right time it might have been a little too immature and I mean like you like all the success you've had like I think you kind of found a sweet spot yeah I was I was way liberal at your age so all right you ready okay ladies and gentlemen we are rolling in to another episode of the Candis Owens show I have roaming millennial here with me you may have heard from her she had hosts a show on glaze TV Lauren Chen is her real name welcome to the Candis Owen show thank you so much for having me I'm thrilled to be here tons of self I want to talk to you about you do really great work and you talk about different topics that are going on and I think that you do a really good job of kind of jumping into culture mm-hmm and I think that there is no wind politically unless you start talking about culture because culture determines the trends and you can kind of see where people are at and you recently did a video talking about diversity this is a pretty simple word everybody likes diversity right you're Asian I'm black you know people like to see people from different cultures and different backgrounds come together but what what really happens when diversity becomes a demand meaning that in the art world when we're seeing happen on movies and TVs no piece of art can be created it's not considered valid unless there's enough diversity mm-hmm yeah I think that's a huge problem we're seeing nowadays and I'm someone who I talk about politics on the show but I love entertainment media I love TV shows movies there was a while when I was in university I was a screenwriting double major that was a thing I don't like to mention too much because it you know young people don't always make the best choices with college majors obviously but I love film and stuff like that and it's it's really hard for me to see that this whole I don't know diversity ideology the need to have as much on-screen representation of every possible group how it's affecting creators ability to tell their own stories because there are so many I think really great works of either literature or like movies television whatever that people are now criticizing because there's not enough black people enough LGBT people or whatever it is and like I'm not against diversity if it like whatever I care about good stories and I feel like now the emphasis isn't really on is this a piece of work meaningful is it entertaining does it have a message to say to us it's just kind of how many boxes can we check out for our cast our director etc so we can be as like tolerant as possible it doesn't necessarily make for good media right and it's actually interesting as I did a video early on on YouTube critiquing Black Panther which I thought was a great movie and I remember everyone was saying you have to see this because it's an all-black cast with all-black directors and like if you're black it's almost a responsibility to go see this and I just wanted to make this statement that I went to see it because I'm a Marvel fan Yeah right I'm just there was no it wasn't because of the color of my skin it wasn't because of being represented I went to go see it because I'm a Marvel fan and I like the way I like their movies in general so I go to see most Marvel movies not based on the color of the skin of the characters but you're seeing more and more of this where they're saying that you know what this is this is ridiculous there's not enough Chinese people there's not enough black people there's not enough gay people and it's actually ultimately like you said harming the piece of work that they're creating like we didn't need a female Ghostbusters right oh gosh do we not need that and what's frustrating is that it's never enough for these people right we've seen that any time movies or studios they try to be like okay look here's some black people here's some LGBTQ people it's never enough for these people right with the most recent Marvel I think it's like the finishing of Avengers endgame yeah so you know Captain Marvel great strong feminist superhero but there are people complaining that there's not enough LGBT representation right so it's like you're never gonna need a female Captain Marvel yeah I think a lot of people didn't I mean if you don't have to Marvel I mean genuinely like and I think that that's sort of it's it's sort of on par with what's happening in society now or they're trying to turn women into men and men into women what you're seeing more and more of that becoming culturally acceptable so you know if you have this idea of a woman being Superman right Superman a being I guess the ultimate form of what it means to be a man and masculinity and strong and saving the day right that used to be acceptable but now you're there's gonna be this push where well why does Superman need to be a man why can't it be superwoman why why isn't this a blockbuster and people should just be going to see it not because it's actually a good movie but because it's a woman right and it's horrible it's actually I think horrible and you're not getting the best actors and actresses you're literally thinking that you're going to sell tickets because your virtue signaling and I think people the fans especially we see through that right we can tell when director and writers are actually committed to telling a good story versus them just trying to be like oh look here's some black people in a superhero movie don't you love it and it's it's the world forward for sure and I think what I'm so surprised at when I see people talking about how great all the new diversity is how they talk about never feeling like they could relate to characters before which to me is so confusing because I I think the great thing about things like movies and TV shows is that it allows us to relate to people through human experience that we may not otherwise think we have anything in common with I don't need someone to be like a 24 year old biracial woman in order for me to see myself in her and feel represented by her and connect with the story that's kind of that takes away the point of I think a lot of entertainment which is supposed to show us how we can be different but the same rather than just here is exactly who you are and we're giving you exactly what you want by seeing yourself exactly on the screen it's it actually it almost says that they think that their viewers are stupid in a way like I actually could actually undermines their viewers like you're saying right to me I don't relate to people that look like me really to people that think like me person can look at any way that they want to look I I'm connecting people based on our ideas intellectual diversity is in my opinion more important than having people that look differently do you agree with that oh no I certainly agree with that and it's funny because the people who talk about diversity in film so much you you know that they don't mean diversity of ideas right because these are usually the same people who try to blacklist any conservative actor or director or writer so I mean it's kind of disappointing because it doesn't if they want to be tolerant it doesn't take tolerance to love people who only agree with you right even the worst people love people who only agree with them if you actually want to show tolerance then it means reaching out to people who don't always agree with you actually it's really funny because this reminds me of award shows now and this was something that happened culturally that made me so angry so Nicki Minaj okay who for people that are listening to me as a rapper a female rapper and she had a video that was out would she was basically she kind of redid the baby got back song and her video just wasn't good right it wasn't good it was a so it wasn't original music and she was basically just being a stripper and gyrating on a chair baby got back and she was up for music video of the year in a category with Miley Cyrus who at that time did we can't stop and she and and Taylor Swift I can't tell you what her video was I actually thought artistically we can't stop was a really cool music video and there was no way that Nicki Minaj should have won this category well before the awards show Nicki Minaj came out with this series of tweets basically saying like why am I the only black person that's in this category up against you know Taylor Swift and Miley Cyrus and she had not yet won the award well obviously because she created this entire scandal they gave her the award and they literally was game for the award she did not deserve or earn that award and she was given an award based basically because she said I'm the only black person and I think that we're starting to see that now where people are saying well we have to check these boxes so we need to give this award for Best Director to a black person for Best Music Video to a black person when in reality if we want to win stuff we can write that actually undermines being black where we have to complain to win something there are great black directors or great black singers there are great Beyonce creates absolute art when she does a music video so now that we're getting to this culture where people are complaining to be given awards which is really just participation trophies based off of the color of your skin it is not at the same time undermining them saying that we aren't able to compete right so we want to watch the word for I'm blanking on a word here when you go to college and you let you in because of the color of your skin like affirmative actions like affirmative action in movies yeah I don't know I think that kind of attitude it actually hurts a lot of people who are visible minorities I mean I get called a token all the time right from people who it was only for black people yeah no apparently you wouldn't have had a loan Dave Reubens a token too right because with these people whenever they see someone who's like not white not straight not sis hat whatever disagreeing with them the only way they can rationalize it is oh I see what they're doing you must just there because your side needs a black person oh that makes sense because that's their way their side does things but I it's it's it's not though the way things work when you treat people as individuals and try to have like meritocratic systems and I find it extremely extremely insulting the just like the idea the opinion the possibility that I only have my job I only have my show because I'm a woman because I'm biracial like I just having that in mind said it hurts anyone who has actually had to work to get where they are and actually had to break real boundaries not just be given I don't know like here's here's a show here's a contract whatever because you're black whatever and we're trying to look tolerant right dick you and that's one of the things that you'll find that even if you did work your way and have to do everything yourself like me so they are not interested in covering those aspects of my life they want to just skip over it because it humanizes me and it makes people say okay she actually worked to get to where she was nothing was handed to her I didn't come from a wealthy family I didn't have a college degree I started my life 150 thousand dollars in student loan debt for falling for this you know the scam if you must go to college and take out loans even though you don't really know what you want to do and that's something that people can actually learn from so that what the media and the culture does is that they glance over all of that because it just doesn't fit their narrative it doesn't fit their narrative I couldn't possibly be a conservative based off of my own ideas and my own experiences which I would not have had success unless I adopted conservative principles right unless I started saving money right unless I started trying to educate myself about finances and and and said they think the only way a black person can have success is if they're you know as a conservatives if they're betraying their entire culture well you can't humanize conservatives that's like not no that's not allowed no I've seen a lot of critiques of people like Dave Rubin giving interviews to people and you know the the leftist they complained all this was awful you did it and like push back enough this was you were just trying to humanize I mean it's like well they are human so I mean that makes sense that they would be portrayed as you know being human and it just they really want to try to vilify anyone outside of their little bubble as much as possible right you you can't be seen as like a daughter a mother someone who also enjoys the teeth TV shows that they watch they're just trying to dehumanize and like put you in your own little box as much as possible so that way we don't feel bad when you know you're deep platformed when you're kicked out of coffee shops or whatever it may be yeah Dave is a good friend of mine actually one thing that he and I always do being we debated this since the very beginning is that he holds on to the fact we he's a classical liberal and he says listen I'm a liberal I'm a JFK liberal and and he does that because he wants to see people on a journey with him because there are tons of of liberals at legitimate liberals who don't really know they're feeling this place disoriented don't really recommend it a homeless politically homeless yeah the political refugees don't really recognize their party anymore and so you have Dave who's just trying to bring in both sides right he he wants to invite somebody who's a leftist on to a show he wants to invite some other who's a conservative on his show what I say to him is that be where the second you invite a conservative on to your show you're conservative because they're intolerant right and they will eventually try to deep platform you they'll eventually come after you they'll eventually say that you are now marred by having conversations with people because they're completely intolerant you aren't allowed to have a discussion with conservatives and now he's seeing that happen where he was scheduled to have Pete still can't say his last day judge I think yeah Buddha gig Buddha judge yeah on to a show and you know Media Matters gummed up an entire storm despite the fact but Dave is a liberal he's been so clear about this but because they're intolerant they said Pete if you go on to that show you're canceled right you're done and what did he do he pulled out and went for the mob and this is what I try to I think should be a lesson for conservatives there there there is this circle of conservatives who tries to not appease the left but be friendly towards the left and show that they have you know a perspective that allows our platform that allows for both sides to speak but you should know that at the very moment that they can they would gladly watch your platform dive if you are tolerant towards conservatives and that's just the truth yeah it's almost like being conservatives this like this infectious disease right and you can cash it just by being in proximity toward people who are conservative it's it's crazy to me and I was the whole thing with Dave and Pete Budaj edge it's funny because I I love Dave show I I watch it all the time I really appreciate the variety of because if you watch a show you know that I mean people like to say it's all just conservatives it's really not not it's not and I don't think I mean I think it's very the platform that Dave has it's very clear that it's not a debate or anything but in his interviews I think he makes his positions known like if he does see that I disagree on so much that's okay we're friends right okay that's okay and it was just really strange to me to see all these people attack Dave Rubin as being like all right adjacent or like a what is a useful idiot for the far right and it's it was ridiculous to me because if your complaint is that he doesn't have enough left-wing people on his show but you're gonna kind of blacklist him from ever having any left-wing people on his show because you're gonna threaten to cancel like people just if they do come on it's like well what do you what do you want what do you want to him and what they want is the all-or-nothing pack mentality that they have you are either with us and you are actively trying to say horrible things about all conservatives any and all conservatives or you are against us and you are against us we will happily contribute to trying to kill your career D platform you and paint us something that you're not that a single person with a modicum of intelligence would say that Dave Rubin is alt right in any regard and yet you have the entire media publications and organizations that are going after him and saying just that and and that brings up something that you talk a lot about which is canceled culture yes you want to explain that to my listeners yeah so if anyone's not familiar with canceled culture it's just the idea that if somebody usually a public figure does something that you don't like or even if they maybe didn't do but it's like kind of there's a rumor going around that they did something that people don't like they are done for they are cancelled you know you can't support them anymore like unsubscribe from their show like if you have any products of theirs burn them they're done right and it's kind of like this witch hunt and mob mentality and cancel culture is vicious it's unforgivable and it's like you'd like the whole idea of conservatism being like an infectious disease so is canceled culture like if you interact with someone who's cancelled you're cancelled and it's it's frustrating because you know we have guests on our show every week and I've actually had people turn down coming on because they don't like another guest that I've hosted and it's really confusing to me as someone it's like look I'm trying to give you a form to promote your ideas I want my viewers to hear more about what you have to say I agree with you in this aspect like I want your work to get more attention you're turning that down because of me talking to someone else that I don't understand I mean I would love to be in the position where my platform is so huge I can just I don't even need to worry anymore about doing interviews and stuff but it if you actually care about changing people's minds to me it just that line of thinking doesn't make sense I think we see cancel' culture on both the left and the right yeah that becomes a thing on both the left and the right but their mentality for wanting to do it the reasons behind it I think are different so on the left when they're trying to cancel someone it's because they view them as going against their ideology which is pretty much everyone like you're with us so you could agree with the leftist on 99% of all issues if you disagree with them on one they will cancel you like I mean there's just there's no question at all they're like goodbye you are done and not even if you disagree with them sometimes if you are a straight white male that might be reason enough to be counseling me please look at how they're treating Joe Biden right or Pete Budaj it's not gay enough it's like what what is it right because it's not it's not only your opinions that matter now it's also like your immutable characteristics that can I don't know put you on a blacklist right and that's sort of a left eating their own because you have created rules that it's impossible for anybody to live by but on the right one we see canceled culture take place I think one of the things that always disturbs me is that when people are canceled on the right and this might have to do with the fabric of what it means to be a conservative and that we are autonomous we are all individuals but we you see people that are there remain silent right they either remain silent or they jump in on the pylon and I'm thinking the left is always in lockstep right in terms of conservatives we aren't always and there's a lot of infighting and that might do with the collective right is the collective be hive mentality versus the individual mentality that conservatives have but I think it's something that we have to get better on it's thing that I actively actually haven't been like you know I'm gonna be very careful in terms of critiquing a conservative because I think that the fight what we're fighting against is way too important then to be petty right there's a lot of purity testing right I think that goes on I mean who more than me yeah exactly I jumped onto YouTube and I felt I'm a break I think you even were one of the people that were like don't really know about this girl that came onto YouTube and like out of nowhere and I felt like I was living Mean Girls like I was like does this ever end like I mean like hey you weren't a Republican when you were five years old like how do we know that we can trust you absolutely I'm like there's nothing tiered what I mean I've never voted for a Democrat in my entire life yes I thought I was a liberal you know growing up as most black Americans have as some of the greatest black American thinkers of our time dr. Thomas Sol most people there is an expression if you don't start yourself as a star as a liberal you don't have a heart if you don't end if you don't die as a conservative don't have a brain yeah most people do start on the left because you're going through a system of indoctrination and you don't have to be personal personal irresponsible you don't have bills you're living with your parents and so these utopian concepts like socialism they just make sense when you're young this is why they want to lower the voting age to 16 because a o'seas utopian reality makes sense to a 16 year olds right if you let the left to go at it they'll lower the voting age to 5 there's nothing wrong with starting on the left and being a liberal right and I think that as conservatives you must we have to let people evolve yep let people evolve from who they were yesterday the day before that is a part of being a human being being able to evolve and when you stop evolving you die yeah and the thing is if if we spend all this time trying to debate the left and critique them and you know talk about concern of arguments but when someone who was liberal then becomes conservative we already test yeah we give them flat witch-hunt well what if they if we're just gonna reject them for not having been conservative for long enough once they do becomes become conservative it's like well there's literally no point to this right and I think also like putting priorities in order is something that the right has a little bit of a problem with as well with the example of Donald Trump like you don't have to love everything that Donald Trump does it's fine to criticize him sometimes like I don't believe in cults of personality but when I see like all these never Trump Republicans who are saying like they would rather someone like Bernie Sanders or Joe Biden who is like as much as Trump may not always stick to conservative principles those guys never do yeah so it's I think those people are the false conservatives right so those two people that I think are the false conservatives where and I had this discussion with Andrew Clavin where he was like at the forefront of the never Trump before before Trump got elected Andrew Clayman and he said I did videos I got millions of you saying that this man should not be the President of the United States and he said you know I base that opinion on his rhetoric he wasn't sure about his stability fair I think that's totally fair when when Trump arrived on the scene we had just never seen anything like it and the political scene and it made a lot of people uncomfortable is he stable is he crazy lock her up chance he he really defied political correctness in a way that was so bold that it's I think it's natural for some people to have been like wait a minute but now he's in office right yeah now you're seeing the results now you thinking and predicting you don't have to predict anymore you know he's a conservative he's been he's been more conservative than Ronald Reagan right so when you have conservatives that are still holding on to the never the arrogance of never Trump to me I think at its core it to me it signals that you're not a conservative or that you prioritize yourself and your brand above the future of this country right where you don't really willing to say that like I just want to still dislike them because I went so hardcore against him and I that I'm willing to say I'll take anybody who just behaves but I don't need behavior I don't need to results right right yeah and I think like the whole never Trump thing it's so frustrating to me because it's I mean these are the same people who fawn over people like Mitt Romney and the Jeff Flake of the world for being principled conservatives right it's like if by principled conservative you mean not a conservative then yeah I guess they're super bright so John McCain right these these this is what when Trump got into it and called it a swamp where it's like the left and the right were really the same people people in the Republican Party am a Democratic Party were the same people I mean the McCain's were married with the Clintons and and it took courage for him to come up and to say that I want to undo all of this and give the power back to the American people and I just find that the arrogance of people that are still saying that they're never Trump it's like then just say you're a leftist like just just be on the left and that's fine right yeah but don't murky the waters here by convincing people that are conservative that that there's there's virtue and still standing against him because you don't like the way he tweets yeah and what's frustrating to me is that someone who is young and conservative it's like this kind of the idea that Trump has killed the future the conservative movement and the Republican Party this is from people who literally turned an entire generation of people away from the Republican I know right now Bush era concerns like if you want to talk about what's hurting the conservative movement it's people like you right and it's just like you know you see someone like Trump he's you know he's in the 70s but he's he's on Twitter he he posts Game of Thrones means he understands culture that the culture right and he has this like very like pro-worker Pro America message that resonates with so many different people and it's just like it's really hard for me to take the advice of people who have lost so many elections seriously in light of how like how Trump has been winning this entire time it's like so and those people what you'll find that the the common denominator with those individuals is that they actually don't understand culture so like these people that were never Trump errs can't read culture they couldn't read culture if it jumped up and punched him in the face and there's an arrogance about them where it's like well we don't need to understand culture this is politics we don't need to talk about culture but it was Andrew Breitbart that said politics is downstream Englisher and that is brilliant and that is accurate he who yields culture will yield politics and Donald Trump was a cultural a cultural figure he understood culture he became the president through culture the locker up chance right that's cultural it's quick it's hip it's a hash tag it works right he's speaking to people culturally not politically she should be in prison lock her up build the wall right he's talking about a policy but what he what he's making it is he's making a policy feel cultural and people can relate to that and that is why people think he's stupid I the people that who do think he's stupid for his tweets I'm like you're wrong he's absolutely brilliant and he's able to deliver a message in a way that makes sense for a lot of American people especially the youth because we are you know the the youth is obsessed with culture yeah and it's to me it's just a very elitist attitude it is how do you say that that we're above discussing cultural issues and on our show we talk about culture we do talk about like policy things we've done minimum wage videos we're coming out with one on ubi we've looked at like the UN migration comment like we do do both but it's like any time I do a video on let's say cancel culture or like diversity in entertainment I'll always have these like stuck up like you this is so stupid like this is child's play let me know when you want to talk about real issues it's like okay friend you know by going up to someone who's grown up with like leftist professors left a school like being taught about the gender unicorn and how capitalism is evil and is getting the same message fed to them through their music their movies whatever try going out to them and just like throwing Thomas soul books at them right see how effective that is because it's not it's not gonna work and they don't understand that or they don't want to understand that or their I don't know they're too elitist to want to talk to younger people and the issues that affect them it I don't know what what the thinking is behind it but it's very very it's called being completely out of touch yes just completely out of touch with the direction in the world is in it's always gonna be a different time you know when we're older when we're 80 it's gonna be a new time who knows what's gonna be on the scene and when I do my speaking tours across the nation I do I try to connect the dots for them and I always start in a room especially if it's like older you know older people and I say how many people in this room think that Trump needs to just stop tweeting right a bunch of hands oh go up now I'm like how many people in this room you know don't do Facebook or Instagram or Twitter watch your hands will go up and I'll say okay but I need you to understand why it's really important and I found that one chord that really strikes with them is telling them that there have been so many presidents that have been able to harness technology to further their careers who took our to come into power and you talked to him about FDR he was the radio president right he he did the fireside chats and it was his voice that seized America and he talks to them about JFK he was the television president the reason that he beat Nixon was because he looked better he had a full head of hair he was handsome looking in the debates and people went for that and I tell them Donald Trump is a social media president right he has been able to harness social media to further what he wants to do into this country you don't have to understand it but you do need to embrace it because what we're up against here we're talking about socialism in the United States of America is way more serious than your ego or your cultural understanding know for sure and what makes Trump's presence on social media even more important is the fact that I mean with those other people you've mentioned I mean media criticism you know back and forth absent flows even if you're a Democrat or Republican but I don't think we've ever seen a political figure who has been as demonized by the mainstream media as Trump has right and that is why it is so important for him to have this platform connecting straight to millions and millions of people without having to go through Media to relay and kind of interpret what he's saying for people that's it's so important and I don't know why people who are supporters of his would want him to sever that connection with so many people right it doesn't make sense to me imagine if his strategy when he was running was to rely on mainstream media but tell the truth about him he wouldn't be in office that was the whole that was the vacuous space that allowed him to say doesn't matter what you say about me your fake news I'm gonna take the message directly to the American people and guess what he knows that his administration knows that but you know who else knows it the left and this is why we are starting to see social media bannings this is why they're trying to get a stranglehold on social media because they're realizing that that was a hole they didn't predict that allowed someone that they didn't want to be into the White House that is that is that is what took power away from them so they're saying to themselves how do we regain this power how do we get social media back under control where do we start they start on the outskirts they start banning people that they know most people won't stand up for it right should they say well Alex Jones a conspiracy theorist II and they so we banned him because it's conspiracy theories are harmful it created violence okay you're silent then they come in there someone who they think you know is is radical and this isn't it but then they're getting closer and closer and closer we're now in a space where the Economist is calling ben shapiro alt right yeah right and this is something we've talked about a while on our channel just because I think if even if you're the most mainstream conservative the idea that you're safe is just completely naive yeah you're a if you think you're saying exactly exactly and it's been really frustrating for me like trying to raise awareness about people being banned like Alex Jones Laura Loomer Gavin McInnes Milo yeah innopolis now even Paula Joseph Watson has gone from Facebook and Instagram if you think that these people are being bent because they actually did break Terms of Service versus just their opinions that you need to wake up you need to wake up exactly seriously I think I think the problem is that some conservatives are happy they're banned I think that there is an egoism in in in conservatism where people say well you know this guy's gone more followers for me and people think selfishly and they don't look at the big picture they don't they don't realize and went by the time they do realize it's going to be too late I try to use my platform to just talk about it right like I said I should have sent a tweet when Alex Jones got banned and said it was wrong but what you're sometimes fearful of is that you say something in the fence of someone and what happens now that you're associated with them you support Alex and then they'll take it even further though saying use you support when he did this some specific event I'm like I don't even watch the show right what I'm saying is that sure this person had been banned but when you get to Paul Joseph Watson his YouTube videos are hilarious right they're informative they're on point I don't care what you think about Paul Joseph Watson there is not a single person in the world that would say that he was a white supremacist or about his ideas were harmful but it there they're targeting specifically the people who are effective right people like Paul Joseph Watson people like million subscribers is huge and this horse is huge I mean people like you they're not going after the actual fringe crazies who are just yelling into the abyss right they're perfectly fine because they're not they the people who run social media sites they know they're not a threat and it's when I look at the like establishment conservatives who don't say anything or who even cheer these people being removed I I think they are very very wrong in their understanding of what helps Trump win the 2016 election right because if they think it was them like I mean I thought it was great but at the same time that's not getting new voters new viewers that's not bringing people in and I think a lot of conservatives who are part of the establishment they look at independent media figures and they're threatened the largest voting bloc in 2020 is going to be Generation Z right generation Z is obsessed with Paul Joseph Watson yeah right so and when I saw that I was like this is literally voter suppression what they're trying to do is make sure that these people are no longer finding these videos they don't watching fox news fox news the average audience what is it like 60 plus the average viewer is 60 plus right these kids are watching youtubers these kids are watching you they're watching me they're watching Paul Joseph Watson and that's great but when you start to ban these people you're no longer allowing their interpretations or their voices to be heard that is voter suppression and that is what I think we are gearing up for in 2020 you know I was recently banned or suspended and then it got reversed because they put themselves you know in a weird bind when they do it with me right you longer hide behind the we're doing it for you know white supremacy but did you see that document that leaked yes how scary is that that's really exciting extra credit Facebook is assigning extra credit but I'm on a file that says extra credit if you can figure out how to ban her know for sure and even like the project Veritas who have so far done great work exposing this I think they need to keep going more people need to watch their videos you know our our video on social justice being cancer was one of the ones that was listed as an example of bad behavior sharing my videos on Facebook so like I've talked about behavior being shadow band and stuff and I think there's a lot of people on the left or even some people on the right maybe who think that's being paranoid it's a conspiracy no this is just it's real act yeah they're trying to suppress conservative voices and you know I love my free-market love my libertarian buddies but if you don't think that this is going to affect elections you you really need to look more closely not only is it going to affect your elections it's a direct response to an election that they think was out of there hey that's they think never should have happened right there that should never should have happened they're gonna try their hardest to make sure it doesn't happen again and you know I think why the reason why I'm for small government is because I fear totalitarianism I fear invasion of privacy I fear being told what I can and cannot say I feel I fear being the platform to be person that's all bad coming from government but it's not any more acceptable when it comes to these social media Giants who are run by like leftist in California like how is that any any better so I think you know conservatives who think that social media censorship isn't a problem or they don't like it but oh what are we gonna do I think they need to wake up a little bit more and understand and this is a very very real threat how can conserve those win elections if we can't even talk about our ideas without being banned - I've been honest and open with the fact that I'm legitimately considering my legal options with Facebook despite the fact that my account was restored at certain point there's going to have to be a David that stands up to the Goliath and looking at this document and seeing that I am that they're telling these people to actively investigate me or try to find something there is absolutely zero reason that I would be on this list there's nothing that I have posted on Facebook that has been controversial I actually barely use Facebook it's the last platform that I use I'm very active on Twitter I don't actually use Facebook and when I do it's usually clips that are spliced up from these conversations so for them to put me on a list of someone to explore and to investigate and to find a reason to get rid of is purely because they are afraid of the awakening that's taking place in minority community because the black vote is something that the left depends on every election cycle and more and more black Americans are waking up putting up videos talking about black sit talking about freedom and talking about actual political discussions as opposed to the color of their skin and I think that at a certain point conservatives are gonna have to get together and decide how do we work together to deal with this threat yeah I think something definitely needs to be done and any time I make a video talking about this issue I get so many comments of like this people are outraged and they want to do something but they don't know what and it is one of those issues where it's like okay well you know if you if you're one of those people say I'm just gonna delete all my social media platforms I really don't think removing conservative voices from the public discourse is the answer I agree with right it's like I get wanting to give these platforms the middle finger but at the end of day if it ends up with you silencing yourself I don't think that's the right way to go you've silenced yourself yeah I agree with that and I do see a lot of people employing that as a strategy well I just deleted my account so you're actually allowing them to create exactly what they've a county yeah they want to be able to mock up a reality where only the left's is ring and and that's wrong and we can't always going to be on those platforms because I'm trying to change mine it's not create an echo chamber of conservative thought I want to be able to go on a platform where there's leftist thought and disrupt it with conservative thought and and and insert an actual intellectual debate and and you're exactly right removing yourself from those platforms that's absolutely nothing yes I mean it's actually what they're trying to get conservatives to do right and if we're living in a time where it's like the majority of Millennials get their information from online sites or social media platforms we cannot afford to not be on these platforms we just we just can't and I mean they're very clever right the people who are in charge of this thing like that's smart it's totally evil Machiavellian 1984 but it I mean it could be very very effective if if they get away with it and I mean in terms of law suits I'm sure that if you know if you do end up going forward every on a preggers use trying to fight back against YouTube I think there's a lot of people who are conservative who are feeling silenced that want to support that right I just want to make them go through discovery yeah who are you working with who is telling you who to go after you know the who are you in lockstep with what's going on behind the scenes and that is the beauty of a lawsuit is that it puts people up for discovery and I I think we would be mortified if we found that what sorts of meetings were being had held at Facebook or at Instagram and in terms of how the determining determining who to ban first and why I think we would see that it is it is political and I would be not shocked at all if this was some operative arm of the DNC that is just my honest opinion don't know okay it's not a fact yet but that is my inclination here is that this is a direct response to Trump all of this happening because of Trump which would mean that it would have to be the left and and there political you know organizations that are standing behind this no I mean considering how how we know for a fact that you know mainstream media is working in conjunction with the DNC I don't think it's ridiculous to think that social media would be the same right I really don't and I think what they're doing is that they're starting this now and they're gonna things are gonna get ramped up leading up to 2020 right I mean I think right now the people who may be like liable to be banned next might be actually you from all platform someone like Mike Serna vich Jack sobic they're gonna get closer and closer to people in the center and in the hopes that it's kind of like the Frog being boiled in water right if you do it slowly no one's gonna freak out we start with Alex Jones like you said and then we kind of work our way out yeah eventually people are just gonna get I mean kind of just desensitized so like all this person's gone oh this person's gone and we'll just be complacent right and so did you do a video or what is your opinion on beyond social media we're seeing a Laura Loomer who I disagree with I mean I disagree with her tactics I don't think that that it serves or helps conservative cause of someone's chaining themselves to Twitter what are you thinking about knowing though that her consequence her punishment for that is that now she's banned from venmo she's banned from uber she's been from lyft she's banned from PayPal she's banned from Chase Bank she's been and I'm looking at all this and I'm thinking is this a normal is the this punishment fits the crime yeah I mean I'm cause she killed anyone and by the way if you do kill someone you will not be banned from Chase Bank right I mean I don't think as far as I know there's never been anything where like a convicted murderer has gotten out or a convicted robber has gotten out and social media said actually you're a bad person you can't use this as far as I know that treatment is reserved for conservatives wait help us are is that it's really weird and I'm in the same boat as you I I don't want to have the idea of like showing up outside of people's houses normalised I really don't like that but at the same time if we look at Laura Loomer I think we've seen very clearly that her tactics have had to get you know more more bold more out there to draw on that media attention the more she's been been because what's happened is that um this is someone who is like a journalist and activist who's trying to get a message out there and her audience has been taken away from her so now in order to like to get trending in order to make headlines in order to make people notice her she has to go more and more out of her way to do something that's gonna grab people's attention if she was able to just use you know Twitter and Instagram and Facebook like a normal person I think she would have an outlet that would allow her to share her views without having to resort to this kind of thing so I think very much we are seeing this is actually increasing I I guess I don't I don't want to use the word radicalization because I don't like Laura Loomer is not a radical and that's the point we're trying to make but I think this is it's it's increasing I guess the tactics people are willing to go through in order to make their point which is not not what we want and the question becomes if if Paul Joseph Watson can have a Facebook and people like Paul Joseph Watson have a Facebook if Laura Loomer can't bank at Chase why do rapists why can rapists and murderers because they can yeah right they get out of prison if you raped someone and you got out of prison you can you can bang go to Facebook on Facebook you can so so what is the difference here what is the difference where do where do we draw the line no I think the the difference is that I I really don't think you know if a rapist is using Twitter that they're gonna kind of convince other people that rape is okay right but I think the way that Facebook and Twitter are looking at it is that if you have a conservative so who's on Twitter they may convince other people that being conservative is okay right right so I think they're looking at it like this disease or this infection that needs to be cauterized so it doesn't spread anymore right and you know for your actual criminals like I don't think they're as worried about that right that's exactly right and then that that's right they view conservatism as a cancer and as a disease and that they have to stop by any means that they need to quarantine yeah and that's what the whole guilty by association thing that's why that comes into it because you can't you can't talk to Dave Rubin if Dave Rubin has also spoken to like makes Erna vich then you're gonna you're gonna catch it right you're usually you're gonna catch it you're your children's going to catch conservatism they they might believe in in biology right they might believe in mathematics right they might believe in taking a shower and working working hard and embracing their futures and not seeing themselves as a victim God for bid right actually there's the a really interesting study that's I forget where it came from exactly but they've actually shown that conservatives are better able to represent liberal viewpoints than vice versa right because so conservatives understand liberals more than liberals understand conservatives liberals understand themselves right all right timing you guys trying to get them to understand and talk for people when they don't really understand themselves and their and that's why you're seeing so much implosion and you're seeing the you know intersectionality and your in your and you're seeing things that don't make sense so getting themselves alive I mean I was just talking to someone about even the lesbian thing Michael Knowles said that you know if trans is real then gay doesn't exist right if you're saying that there are there's no such thing as genders there's no such thing as sex and you can pick and choose whenever you want then there's no such thing as gay right right cuz that's that's a male that is an argument that they're making that if you refuse to date someone who is trans and who hasn't had a you know bottom surgery that is being transphobic so it is transphobic for a lesbian woman to say I don't want to date someone with a penis right up is down yeah I mean like our are aren't you guys the ones who are supposed to be all like you know born this way this is my preference my choice don't try to change me because I mean we're kind of seeing what almost looks like conversion therapy being advocated for people who aren't attracted to trans I know or like gender non-binary non-conforming people yeah there's something wrong with people that understand basic biology and I they're seeing things for as they are the you know you had a Lila from live action on your show and I think the abortion issue is one where the ideology really doesn't hold up because at the same time you know men can't have an opinion about abortions but it's transphobic to say that only women get pregnant and it's like so how right howhow are we supposed to deal with it yeah and that's why you will find that leftist don't want to show up to debate their ideas because everything would fall apart yeah and then people say I have more lettuce on your show because I had the black lives matter Chairman on I said they won't come on right I'm not opposed to speaking to leftist leftist are opposed is speaking to me because they don't want to be exposed for the fact that they they make a very little sense they're very emotional but they lack rational thinking right and if you black rational thinking you need to stay in echo chamber of shrieks and yelling and or on Twitter right like Chelsea Handler her and I were supposed to be a part of her Netflix documentary and oh it didn't work through was a time thing no it wasn't a time thing you know she was exploring white privilege right so great have on a black person doesn't believe in white privilege well no you can't do that that totally disrupts everything is she would have to step outside of her echo chamber and see that now all black people see themselves as victims and that is what the left is all about you're seeing that happened with Elizabeth Warren saying that she refuses to go on Fox News you mean you refuse to go to a place where there are opposing viewpoints you don't think that these people are racist Fox and Friends has got to be like the lightest nicest show you know it's like it's like a family show in the morning and that it truly is what we're seeing is the rise of intellectual cowardice on the left yeah and I think the the argument that I hear all the time from these people who refuse to go on on any show that could potentially ask them hard questions is that they don't want to legitimize the platform right right as if it were up to Elizabeth Warren to legitimize the Fox News I love the largest you know News Corporation with the most viewers like it's not up to you to legitimize their platform on egos but that's that's what they'll say because they just don't want to give I mean any credence to the fact that oh maybe I'll have to explain my views who don't agree with me right exactly maybe I'll have to explain why I've been pretending to be Native American my entire life right when I in fact just a white woman Elizabeth Warren so are you optimistic or pessimistic about the future that's I mean if things were a level playing field right if Donald Trump got fair media covered if coverage of conservatives weren't being banned if things were actually I think as they should be I would be so optimistic right right if because you know the conservative message it has a lot of power behind it it's for everybody it can benefit everybody unlike I think kind of leftism worries like unless you fit the specific niche it's it's not for you conservatism is for everybody right it's good for everybody if we didn't have all these challenges up against us like the biased media reporting social media censorship I would be optimistic as it is now though it's it's really hard trying to go up against all of these you know to use the language of the left institutional barriers actual institutional barriers to getting your message across right because right now conservatives we're not am I like a small minority at all in the country but the left has been very smart and very strategic in inserting themselves in positions of power so now that control academia they control like elementary school systems they control like media they control a social media for sure so it's like it's possible that like we we kind of turned things around but it's gonna take a lot of work see I'm so optimistic and here's why I think the fact that they're doing this is because we've already won right and so you you can't you can't put it back into the bag right you you can't put the bunny back into the Hat and I think that then banning these people doesn't make suddenly all of the millions of Paul Joseph Watson its followers liberal in fact it makes them more conservative because they're angry because they know they've watched his videos they know that there's no reason to censor him it makes them think that there's something you know that what book media and the mainstream media is telling them is that they're not allowed to be they're not allowed to be an individual it actually makes people dig in their heels we know for a fact that support Donald Trump is way higher than it was when he first got into office he got him with all odds against him with even most conservatives you know with many conservatives not standing behind him because it was an underground movement that wasn't really coming from within the Republican Party as you mentioned there were different types of followers that were standing behind him and and were Magga and he he brought more people to voting that maybe hadn't been voting in the past and I think that since we know that he's trending upwards he's trended upwards with minorities within the Republican Party his initial supporters are still his supporters and since we know that people like Paul Joseph Watson they're turned there people are like well I guess can't find his videos anymore so I'm a liberal and the statement that I always make is I have seen I say it's about black people I have seen so many black liberals go conservative but I've never seen a black conservative go liberal there is something about once you are awake to the truth you're awake to the truth you're just awake there's no way to go back to sleep well you know once you become awake to the political truth and I think what truth is is that we've already won and and yes there was a fight that is ahead of us for 2020 and they're going to try to bend they're going to try to censor but my hope is that is going to have an equal and opposite effect than the one that is desired I I really hope so because I mean with with how successful the economy is right now I mean this is a great time to be an American right I mean unemployment is at historic lows for like black people women and aged people Hispanic people there's so much good and it's just like I can't even imagine what Trump's approval ratings would be if the media were honest about reporting his successes right it would be unbelievable right that's exactly right are you Canadian yeah I'm Canadian I was born in Canada raised in Hong Kong in American schools came to the US for universities okay so you're not you can't legally vote yeah and I wouldn't want to vote illegal it'll take we've got tons people that say they're moving to Canada so if you want to be American what if I was president that's what I would do I would do a trade program yeah every person that said they hated America I'd say no problem no problem that I'd find someone like you these Canadians can come down the like whoa there's so much this this should be a part of our immigration policy find someone who really wants to live in the country loves America loves the flag and swapping with someone who says they absolutely hate it get rid of the Chelsea Handler's bring in the Lauren Chen's but you know what is so funny when people find out that I was born in Canada all the people who seem to be for like letting illegal immigrants come over amnesty you know no voter ID laws all of a sudden they're go back to your country while you're talking about America because you're not the right crime scene of like immigrant about border and like you know protection protecting alike election integrity it's the darndest thing it is it really is okay so we wrap every episode this was awesome by the way you're doing a lot of really amazing stuff we wrap every episode with two minutes you get two minutes you look into that camera and you leave a message you pretend that every single person in the world is going to hear your words and they're going to fall 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