Romantic Echoes - Gaung Sumatra I SUAR Podcast #21

My favorite Barasoara album number one is... Menenggang Badai? Yeah, that's crazy. Why do you like that one? I don't know, at first I thought it was weird. I mean, it's a song that can be played a lot, actually. But this one... That year... I was confused about the intro, and I told Marco, I want something weird, something like, what is it? But that's the idea. That's my idea. I said, what is it? Dun-dun-ta-dun-dun-ta-dun, just like that. Weird, isn't it? Not something that can come out of... Like a stage, right? Not something that can come out of a drummer. Actually, in my first album, I mostly talked to Marco about the basic beat. Like, this is what I want. That's how it happened. That's why a lot of people said the beat was weird. Maybe the basic idea was from when I made the riff. Not something that was made by a drummer. You were a drummer in the beginning, right? Yes. I once met a friend of yours in a band from Medan, a rock and roll band. He said he used to be a drummer. Vintage. Yeah, yeah. We were talking. Hey, you know Bang Iga, right? Yeah. Hey, let me in. You're a dog. You're crazy. You're a nepotism. So, you started out as a drummer, then you became a singer. How was that? In the beginning, I was just talking. What? Nothing. Just talking? Yeah. I was just talking. It's okay. We're just talking. Here, we don't use action. In the beginning, I was just talking. So, in the beginning, I was Vintage. Vintage is your band in Medan? Vintage is my band. Before that, I had my own metal band. Before that, I used to play metal. Like Lemovgard. Cover, cover. Then, because it was hard to play, I was like, why is there a band like Wolfmother? Like Darsun, back then. The one that was like management. But, it was rock. How could it be? Then, I was introduced to A'as. If Bang Iga knows, the guitarist who might be close to Bang Iga. Oh, okay, okay. His name is A'as. This is hard rock. So, I was like, okay, okay, okay. Back then, I liked The Strokes. The one that wasn't like that, the music. Just loose. Whereas, Wolfmother was like riff-riff. Rave. Then, I played drums. When I played drums, because I didn't go to college, I saw my friends A'as was a doctor. Doctor? What kind of doctor? A doctor. A real doctor. Like a real surgery. Then, I was like, where will I be in the future? We played a band like that in Medan. At that time, Medan didn't have... In DSP, there wasn't a sound from Bandung, a sound from North Sumatra. There wasn't anything like that. What year was that, Jack? 2000... 2010. Okay. In 2010, in Medan, it was still raw. Then, I thought, I think I have to make a band that is at least pop. I mean, it can still be sung. At least like that. But, I've never sung before. Okay. I've never sung before. Like Ican. Ican, Pijar's guitarist. Ican was like, I want to make a band. His name is Pijar. We haven't met yet. I want to make a band. Like, Two Doors, Cinemaclub, Vampire Weekend, and so on. Oh yeah, who sings? Me. You're crazy. Yes, I sing. Then, we made a demo. Oh, it turns out you can sing. Yes, I can. Then, it started. Well, my band hates me. All of them. It's like, they feel left out. Because at that time, I was thinking, when I made Pijar, what I was thinking was, to move to Jakarta. Okay. So, I said, I made this band, not to be in Medan. I made this band to move to Jakarta. But, we didn't have any friends, or anything like that at that time. It's okay, let's just try it. Okay. One Pijar band moved from Medan to Jakarta. Yes. What happened after that? I had a fight with Vintage Graces. Okay. I had a fight with Vintage. Then, as time went by, I got older, I understood, if I didn't move at that time, maybe I couldn't get to know Iggy and Sardi, get to know everyone. That's what they thought. I also thought, if I didn't move, it would be hard for me. What would I become in Medan? At that time. Maybe now, it's better. Okay. So, around 2010, one Pijar band moved to Jakarta. What happened after you moved to Jakarta? In Pijar. I moved in 2013. Oh, you moved in 2013. Okay, so in 2013, you moved to Jakarta. Now, I want to know, for bands from outside Jakarta, I mean, there are many, maybe even until now, how to be successful nationally? Did moving to Jakarta become the absolute answer to your success? there are so many questions like, can you do it? Do you know anyone? That's right. In 2013, after moving to Jakarta, in your first year in Pijar, what did you feel? Regret. I mean, regret is maybe in the first year. In the first year, finally, me, Ichan, and Aul, my drummer, and one of my bassist, we came, we felt that Jakarta was indeed the dream city for musicians at that time, that era. The era of local kids. Local kids think like that, maybe, on average. Then we moved to Jakarta, we felt like, oh, this Jakarta accepts all kinds of music, or whatever. New musicians. There was an event called in Kuningan City, Lokang Fesat. That's it, basically. Wow, there was Good Night Electric, Adams, all kinds of music. Then we brought a CD to Pijar. We brought a CD to Pijar, we shared it. Oh, do you want it? Here, here, here, here. Then, oh, no, no. In my heart, damn, it turned out to be this crazy. I mean, we already made it, you don't have to buy it. We just have to share it, you don't want it either. Sorry, who did you give it to? The audience. Okay. So, in Adams, it was like, only you, we were sharing it. Damn, that's crazy. We were sharing it. People were like, oh, no, no, thank you, thank you. We're a pop band. A pop band, not an experimental band. Yeah, thank you. It's okay. We don't want it. But now, the price of the CD that I shared, the price is already 100,000. But it's on Tokopedia. That's weird. Well, that was one of the downsides that you felt when you got that rejection. But then, it made you feel, damn, this is my lowest point from Medan to Jakarta. When was that? That was after a year, actually. Like, my mom said, when you leave this house's door, in Medan, when you leave this house's door, I won't give you anything else. Wow, that's cool. So, back then, it was like we performed in Medan and got paid that much. Then, we could still go back to Medan, I mean, go home and eat. we can't. So, that was my lowest point. But then, when we don't have money, we can't be like, man, what do we do? We don't have money. So, we fasted. What did you fast? We didn't eat. How many days did you not eat? Maybe one day, maybe Indomie, like that, once, one day, like that. The next day, we only ate bread. Oh yeah? Yeah. What year was that? 2013? 2014? Yeah, like that. Where did you live, Jack? In an apartment in Kalibata. At first. You rented it together? We rented it together. So, one apartment was full of stuff. So, there were two rooms, and then, I was in the first room, my drummer was in the guest room, and I was in the other room. Like that. We were there until I felt like, oh, that's crazy. Is this the right choice? I went to this city, and I was like, this is really bad. All kinds of things. The first person you met outside the circle of Pijar, who do you think was your first door? Who was it? The one outside Pijar? The one you met for the first time, oh, I finally met this person. Bang Jimmy? Muhtazam. How did it go? One day, I, oh yeah, I was playing at Tos de Nois. Okay. That was his show. So, I finally met him, I was still a student. Bang, I'm from Pijar. The kid's name is also Pijar, it turns out. Yeah. Right? We're from Pijar. Oh yeah, you're not bad. With his wife, Bang Jimmy, she's really nice, Mbak Ciara. Yeah, it's like playing Pijar all the time. At that time, it was like a stage, we kept getting jobs from him. So, from there, I remember Pijar became the opening act of 12 Matraman. 12 years of Matraman. It was quite, upstair, good night, and then there was a band, which was quite, which was a legend. At that time, Pijar was standing there. At that time, it was quite, people were like, oh, this is Pijar, this is Pijar, this is Pijar. After that, it's clear, there's a keyboardist around, Randi. That's the story of your relationship with Randi. It's a bit weird, but it's Randi. Okay. What's the story, Jack? Randi was wearing Pijar's shirt before we knew each other. Cool. He was really cool. He was really supportive. He was wearing Pijar's shirt, and then there was a friend of mine, his name was Ivan Maksara, he was like, Oh, a friend's critic. Yeah, a notice. This is Pijar's band, do you know Pijar? If I'm not mistaken, Randi said, no, I just like the band. He's cool, he's really cool. Then, because we got the news, we immediately, Randi was, what? Randi was live, or something like that. Then we went in. Oh, we were live. Yeah. Pijar was live. Randi went in. Cool. We were like, Randi, Randi, Randi. Crazy. Then what? Randi, Randi, Randi. After that, it turned out, Randi wanted to produce Pijar's EP. That's where it started. Pijar was pretty good, there was a stage here and there, and, he was more responsible with his parents. Because we had left, oh, my son was already playing in TVRI, or something like that. Oh, he's already there. Okay, that's where it all started. So, the two of you, I mean, you first met Jimmy, then you somehow got to know Randi, and then from there, you slowly took off. You could say that. Yes. Why did you finally decide to make Romantic Echoes? There are one or two things that, actually, I can't tell you here. Okay, okay. It's okay, it's okay. So, I decided to let Pijar rest for a while. I let Pijar rest for a while, and that was also based on, what is it, together, the decision with Ica and Awul, like, let's let him rest for a while. At that time, we didn't have, like, we didn't have what we made on Instagram. No, we didn't. So, Pijar was doing pretty well, but the soundtrack there, all of a sudden, it just disappeared. It just disappeared. And then, people were also asking questions. So, that's what, what is it, actually, Romantik Ekos is like a medicine, for, for me personally, so that I can still create. That's it. If Romantik Ekos, so, as long as I'm with Pijar, we're on tour, I still, there are some music that I know, this, Pijar, can't bring music like this. That's what, finally, Romantik Ekos. Okay. So, those are songs that didn't make it to Pijar, then you documented them under the name Romantik Ekos. Yup. In 2019, it was your first release. Yeah, in 2019. With Oslo Ibrahim. How was that? Because you're friends from the same village? Or what? Yeah. Actually, at that time, there was no Bang Iga, there was no Romantik Ekos, there was no Ngorin single at all. Then, I was also, in, what is it, in the phase of going to Romantik Ekos. Okay. At that time, Oslo Ibrahim was also new to Oslo Ibrahim. Before that, Rio Risky. Risky. Yeah. He used to have spiky hair, basically. Cool. Oslo, Oslo, Oslo before top 5. Yeah, yeah, cool. Then, because Oslo is, what is it, Oslo and I are brothers, I mean, what, basically, I heard that if you've been friends for more than 10 years, you're already brothers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Something like that. Well, me and him have been more than that. Well, in Medan, our band is like, oh, your band is bad, your band. Your rival. Yeah, your rival. What was your band's name? Yoken Yol. Wow, cool. Cool, cool, cool. Ready, ready. Oslo Yoken Yol. Oslo is Yoken Yol, very blues. Okay, you're vintage grass. I'm vintage grass. Glasses, yeah, yeah. More like, yeah, hard rock. Okay. Well, we finally met again in Jakarta, we met again. Because of the blues connection, right? Because of the blues connection. One hard rock, one blues. But that was a long time ago. Okay. A long time ago. The guitar, right? After that, we, what, oh yeah, there, I realized, Bang Iga, I started to realize, it turns out I can, I can write songs, yeah. It turns out, I started to open up, oh, it turns out there is this profession, like that. Producer, or songwriter, or whatever. Well, I started to realize that, so I tried to write. We challenged each other, challenged each other, with Oslo. We made two songs. The first song, eh, we made two songs. The music, I made the music, you made the music. So, it's You Made Me Smile and You Made Me Cry. So, after that, I finished making the first single, Romantik Ekus, My Eyes. Okay. Now, if we talk from, what is it, from a lyrical point of view, and so on, you're a little different from Pijar, actually. Do you really have, what is the term, do you have a lot of love in your heart that you can make a, an alias called Romantik Ekus to sing a love song? I mean, are you really as romantic as that, Jack? Yeah, maybe. I'm so sorry, bro. How, Dis? He's so romantic. Crazy. His name is Gaum Romantis. Crazy. This, bro, maybe, if I, pull it again, like that, I, it's like, I'm shielded from a family that, well, kids these days call it a broken home. Okay. Well, I didn't get that when I was little. Okay. I didn't get those romantic things. Like, from dad to kid. From that. Well, eventually, when I had a partner, I tried to be better. Like that. I tried to be better. Eventually, it made me, indirectly, make love lyrics without hesitation. Okay. So, I just released it. Like, people said, if it's a song, there's no need for love lyrics or anything. I just hit it, then, it's okay. I want to release this. My side, I want to release this. Okay. That's what I did. Well, you have a reference as far as I know you. I mean, you're into garage rock. Then, you're into, you have a hard rock band too. Then, when you made Dramatic Echoes, you had a very different approach from the reference I know about you. Like that. What reference did you actually listen to when you wanted to release all of Dramatic Echoes? Like that. Other than the side of garage rock, the fast garage rock. Other than that? Yes. Where did you get the love lyrics from? To be honest. Who did you listen to? Love lyrics? Naif, I think. Naif? Yes. I'm a big fan of Naif. And, Bang David, and Jaro Emil, and Pepe. They're my idols. In my opinion, they can make lyrics that are not heard, eh, yes, heard like, this is light. But, when they bring it in, it's different. It's not light at all. It's very deep. So, for me to learn how to write lyrics, I thought, oh, I can write lyrics like, I love you. But, with the right notes. Yes. What Naif song made you, like, I want to make lyrics like this. Which song? Oh, Naif. Gosh. I don't know what. Isn't it crazy? It's crazy. I hate to love. Johandan Eni. Johandan Eni? Johandan Eni. Yes. It's like, we feel like, it's crazy. I mean, like that. Like, that's it. There's no need for it to be like that. That's what opened my eyes. If, the name of the song, it has to be good. It can't be not good. That's it. A good song is like, it saves everything. In any aspect. Lyrics. Okay. What's the song that saves you? The song that saves me? The song that you hold when you're in the worst times. The worst times, I guess. Destruction. That, album. I'm more into the album. First Impression of Earth. The third album. That made me, want to, remember again, why I started this. Whether it's in a bad situation, whatever it is. For example, life, or, Well, Destruction, that album, always saves me. Why? Because, it, reminds me, when I was a kid, watching it on YouTube, watching Julian, and all that, like, the energy is recalled again. Oh, I have to be like this, why am I sad? Like that. I have to be Julian. Like that. Okay. Your song that saves you. About flowers, maybe, bro. About flowers? About flowers. Why, Jok? I remember, for Romantik Ekos, it's not necessarily because, it's cool, or because, even, it's not something I want, Romantik Ekos. Like that. It's not something you want? Why? Romantik Ekos, well, I mean, maybe, I'm wrong. It became, something that, at first, I didn't want, but, it became, I wanted. Right? That's Romantik Ekos. Well, about flowers, it's like, it makes me, get, what is it, memories that, oh, it turns out that, humans are, what is it, born, okay, pure, like that. Empty, zero, live. Well, there's that thing, bro. What makes me, every time I hear a song about flowers, it's like, okay, just do it. Whatever is, in front of my eyes, just do it. Like that. What is the strongest lyric, or, the strongest line, from that song? Which one, Jack? The one that every time you sing it, you, shake, like that. The, ref. The love that I give, for you, don't ever, turn away, from me. Like that. It's like, for us, let's go back, back to being pure, like that. For, don't ever, do that. You have a career, I mean, if I look at it from, your discography, you're from 2019, like that. In total, it's been 5 years, Jack. How many times, did you feel like you failed? In terms of career, bro? I mean, Never? Never. Not at all? Yeah, not at all. Maybe, failure, exists, when, in life, maybe. If, for example, failure, spirit, in life, quite a lot, the bumps, are really big. Okay, yeah, true, true. Like, yeah, I, was taken care of, by my grandma, like that, since I was little. Then, my grandma, suddenly, passed away, like that. Then, before that, I made a song, Amerta, which, I, the monument was for her, she really likes India, like that. That's one of my favorite songs. Alhamdulillah, bro. I didn't mean to, just now. Yeah, what you just said, right? Yeah. At first, I was like, eh, why is there India Dangdut, like this, I was like, who is this? At first, I was like, oh, we're going to practice the match, that's why it's weird, Universe really likes weird things, right? I heard it in the car, at first, I didn't really get it, right? Yeah. Until later, like, eh, when there was a one chord change, I was like, damn, this is really India, who is this? I heard it, I told him to turn it up, on the radio, then I heard it, this is like, shazam, I got close to the speaker, I closed my eyes till I heard the song. I kept on listening, I kept on listening to it, and I saw this kid, where are we going? Suddenly, there's a timing penalty. I was like, second hand, still, yeah, I said, oh, that's fine, well, that's actually, this song is for your grandma, right? Actually, it's for my grandparents. I made it for my grandparents, who introduced me to the culture, the Indian culture. And it's really cool. I'm Opung, in Medanese, Opung means grandfather. I really like Opung. Like Nat King Cole, Frank Sinatra, W.E.B.R.O.D.E. Jazz. I want to make it. He passed away. I didn't have a chance to hear it. After that, I hurried to Angkarta. It's not because I prayed. My intention was to let my grandparents hear it. So at least, they know that their grandson made this for them. And it was really weird. When I made that song, and I got married, he passed away. You didn't have a chance to hear it? How did you feel when you heard it? I was really happy. He was like, my grandson! He was really happy. Because his grandson followed his taste. But did you finish the song for your grandparents? I did, but I just kept it. You haven't released it yet? No. Your first album is not just an EP. It's a tribute to the past. Why did you make that album? A tribute to the past? What do you mean? A tribute to the past is my worries. If only I could turn back time, I would make a better version. Okay. The keyword is a tribute to the past. That's why the album is full of regrets. It's full of regrets. A tribute to the past. And all I've been through is regret. I mean, everything is full of regrets. That's what the album is about. A tribute to the past. And all I've been through is regret. But I tried to move on. I haven't made up my mind yet. There's a lot of resentment in that album. And you still talk about it. Yes. It's one of the most popular albums in DSP. Yes, thank God. A lot of people like it. A lot of people love it. A lot of people love Bilal and Noh. Yes, they're really good. But you've been to Malaysia with Bilal before, right? Yes. Bilal and... Rumah Sakit. Rumah Sakit, yes. I saw the acceptance from Malaysians there. It was really warm. Yes, it was. It was crazy. How was it, Jack? I mean, did you expect people in Malaysia to love your song that much? I did expect it. You did? Yes, I did. I did expect it. Actually, what made me confident was when I made the album with Noh from the past, I really fenced with Noh. With Noh Saleh. And I knew that Noh's fans in Malaysia were crazy. And if I'm not mistaken, Malaysia and Medan are like... Like neighbors. And it's really the same. The musical culture. The musical culture and the Malay culture. Yes, Malay. Yes, Medan is really big in Malay, right? So I've always wanted to make a song that Noh would sing in one of my albums. And Noh managed to do it with his kindness and humbleness. With... Who is this romantic? He just made an album and invited me. And when I made it, and when I first heard Noh sing, it was during the pandemic. When Noh first sang that song, I was sure that people in Malaysia would like it. How did you first get in touch with Noh? He's smart. Oh. Noh is smart. Okay. So you knew him before? Yes. Before Romantik. Yes, before Romantik. And then I saw his strong wind, and all kinds of his singles. So I thought, one day I want to make a song with Noh. And then I met Bang Iga, the one I love. Yes, yes. So when I made that song, thank God, there was also Bilal. Yes, yes. These three guys are singing a song... Cocorapu. The one I love. Yes, yes. I'm sure the listeners in Malaysia would like it. Okay. So you already have a clear vision about this song, right? You already have expectations, and those expectations are achieved. Achieved. How many times in your life, have your career and expectations been achieved, Jack? Once. I mean, in life. In your life, during your career, how many times have your expectations been achieved? I mean, the highest moments. Do you still remember? Either from Pijar, or from Romantik. A lot, Bang Iga. Really. One of the most memorable. Fuck, I even went there. Malaysia. Malaysia, right? Malaysia. Because I, back then, I was sure that Malaysia, God willing, would like Romantik Equs. Because what I brought was our language, Malay. My grandmother is Malay, right? Yes. So I spread it there. Yes. And when I played in Malaysia, the people there sang from the start of the setlist to the end of the setlist. They were screaming so loud. Wow, that's crazy. For me, it was like, what kind of dream is this? I mean, in... Best feelings? Yes. In Romantik Equs, in Jakarta, in Indonesia itself, I can say it's not that big. It's not that big. But in Malaysia, Romantik Equs can get that. Okay. What have you done to preserve the market in Malaysia until now? Do you have an office? Or what? So far. I don't have one yet, Iga. But, God willing, for this album, I think I'm going to make something. Yes. I mean, when you see so many people, yesterday, I saw Niji in Malaysia. Boy, it's time you broke, man. That's crazy. 17,000. I can even dare to say that in Jakarta or Indonesia, you can't have 17,000 people in one stadium, man. That's crazy, bro. It's like the GBK class. That's crazy. Maybe. Zemberandi made it, right? Yes, man. I saw it. Wow, that's crazy. Crazy, right? Crazy. You're really singing. Yeah, man. That's crazy. Fuck. That's crazy. In my heart, my friend is really famous. That's crazy. Niji is crazy. That's crazy. Niji is crazy. You can be there and sing, what do you think? Go there? Astagfirullahaladzim. InsyaAllah. I can. InsyaAllah. InsyaAllah, I can. Just now, I just got some knowledge from you. It's really great. That all of this is not us, it turns out, bro. If we think we're together. Yeah, if we think we're together, then we're sure. That's what we can do, right? That's right. In the end, what I realized personally, after a lot of things happened to me personally, it turns out that we live only as a messenger. Who writes the message? That's it. The Almighty. So, whatever we do now, I mean, maybe you feel it when we're talking, but really, if we get a good song, we ask, who made it? Maybe, right now, I trust myself enough to answer the one who translated it for me. Yeah. I think that's better. Maybe. For both of us, at least, we agree that what we translate into a song is just a continuation of the Almighty. The Almighty Creator. That's it. The Divine Creator. So, it's like reducing the pride of humanity itself. Isn't it? Yeah, it's good. Very good. Because maybe when we have a work, we feel happy when we're praised, and we feel sad when we're insulted. But by realizing, personally, right now, realizing that we're only a messenger, then the praise won't be too high, and the insult won't be too low. That's right. Because basically, we're just a messenger. That's it. Inshallah. Now, back to you, Jack. Then, we talked about how your acceptance in Malaysia is so big. I mean, maybe your friends who are watching this later are hoping for the same thing. Maybe your Malaysian friends are watching this. I'm just saying this personally, because not everyone is like that, Jack. I mean, Barat Suara played in Malaysia but when he saw what you got there, man, it was way much bigger. it's such a shame if you're not being taken care of. As soon as possible, Jack. That's what I think. Because you just released here, right? it was the opening performance. That's right. Later, okay? Yeah, this is one of those what is it? One of those when you say Naif is a band that has a big impact on you. This is right away but when I heard the opening performance, I felt that. Like, oh yeah, this is the attraction. Now, you produced it yourself and you wrote everything yourself. How did you get the idea, Jack? The opening performance? Yes. And why is it called the opening performance? That's what I want to ask. The inspiration actually comes from the movie, Bang Giga. So there's the opening performance, the problem is the premise. Yeah, that's right. So the opening performance is actually a fight. In a in a scene that is in a relationship that is in a fight. When you want to know the next story, it will be in the next song, like that. I invited the listener of the new album, Romantic Echoes, Bismillah, will be able to feel that romantic movie, that drama movie. Oh, okay. So from the beginning, you already made the plot, about the whole album, about what, and where you have to start. Yes. So like, about this album, this album is like about journey, separation, and sincerity. While the first album is regret. Let it be there. Okay. That's it. Well, the third album is like journey, separation, regret. Eh, regret, sincerity. Okay, so wait a minute, let me recap first. Presentation from the past is about regret. Regret. Paradise in 2002 is about? Paradise is quite anomalous, because it was when I was in love with my current wife. That's why the name is like that. Okay. He's different. He has his own story. Oh, okay. So this is outside the plot you're going to make? Yes. Okay, so presentation from the past, then the designers came out of the plot, then the next album can it be revealed? Not yet? Yes. Yes? This is about release. When do you want to release it? Next. No, when do you want to release the album? August. Oh, not yet. I mean, when this comes out, the album hasn't come out yet. Not yet, right? But it's okay. Do you want to reveal it? Yes. As much as you want. Yes. Okay. Especially in Bangiga. The title of the new Roman 3x album is Presentation from Sorry, wrong. Presentation Presentation for the future. Wow. Presentation from the past in 2020. Four years later, it became Presentation from for the future. For the future. Presentation from the past and Presentation for the future. Wait. Presentation from the past and Presentation for the future. So, okay. What will you tell from the Presentation for the future? It is stories or we can say suggestions that we prepare in this time for the next phase. Oh, I see. Yes. More to that. The content of the album is more to that. Moreover, young people who listen to Gen Z or young people again. Maybe they haven't felt like us who have been hit by waves and all kinds. Well, this is like this is here, this is here, listen to it. About the perspective still from love or in life broadly? Broadly, broadly life, but not as broad as Barasuar. This is more maybe romantic love drama still, but more mature. There is more maturity. Not just a moment. Jin, let's break up. Okay? Okay. When you write a love song, I mean like this, you write about heartbreak, you write about conflict, then you write about falling in love. Sometimes people think like this, there are many musicians who feel like they have to really feel it first, then they can write lyrics deeper, meaning if they write a love song, they really have to feel it. Meanwhile, what do you do to trigger that sad Do you have to fight first or not? Do you have to base it on experience? Assuming that Disa is not here. Yes. Finally, what triggered me to make, not to make, to make this album for the is I was inspired by Almarhum Bangadepaloh. Oh yeah? Yes. He a good listener. Right? So, there were a few people who came to us not to be told or not to be told what you are like or what are like or what you are like or what you or what are you like and what or music before. It's like making a movie. So it's not based on my own experience. It's more like making a movie. You absorb it all from other people. Yes. And translate it in your own way. Yes. That's really good. If we're talking about Amarhum Adepalo, actually a lot of people are touched by him, not because of his health, but because he creates a space for people to feel heard. I've talked about this with Raka Sereza. Oh yes. Raka is really close to me. We talked about this. The point is, sometimes people... You're right. People don't always want to be advised. Yes. But people always want to be heard. Yes. You just need that sometimes. I'm like this, this, this. My life is like this, this, this. We don't have to be like, I have to be grateful. Fuck. Shit. That's crazy, man. That's the worst advice. Fuck. That's the last advice people want to hear when they have problems. You have to be grateful. That's not the problem. That's crazy. It's annoying, right? You're in love and you have a problem. It's really hard. You have to be grateful. Bro, what do you mean? No, that's not what I meant. The advice is good. But sometimes the place... Being grateful is good. But sometimes it's not in place. So we get mad. Like, this is crazy. But I agree. I mean, giving for the future is one of your efforts to be a good listener about what's going on around you. That's right. It doesn't have to be me, me, me. That's right. As far as what, Jack? Other people's problems that you hear. Finally affect you psychologically. As far as it's brought to me sometimes. Sometimes it's brought to me like, damn, he's back again, bro. To the old Almarhum. He's great. He can handle it. Those are negative things. All of it. Negative energy. It's taken away from him. It's accepted by him. But if he meets us, he's still like, hello. What? How's life now? That's what I mean. I think it's really cool. Are you like that? Yes. No, I mean, I'm not at that stage yet. Oh, you're not at that stage yet. I'm not at that stage yet. I'm still like, talking to Disa, so it's like, damn, it's really hard. It's really hard. To get here. Riko is playing games again. Watching. All kinds of things. After that, it's like that. It's there, bro. Yeah. That's what I mean. Sometimes, as people who listen, we can't always be okay. Yeah, that's true. And fortunately, we have a non-destructive calibration. I mean, sometimes, there are things that, I don't know, become alcoholic, or whatever. Thankfully, maybe those days have passed. For both of us, at least. Then, I was amazed by you when you said, you have high expectations for the song you love, and those expectations are achieved. I asked you earlier, how many expectations have you achieved, and you said, a lot. What I want to ask, is the opposite. How many expectations have you not achieved? A lot. A lot, I think. What do you remember the most? One of them. I want to release another album. Oh yeah? Yeah, I want to. I want to. Do you understand? Okay, okay. That's crazy. And then? I want to. But for the time being, I don't know when. So, I mean, don't ask me, like, a lot of people, ask me, like, I really want to. Bro, just calm down. There will be people listening, and they'll be like, you're a dog too. Okay, okay. That's it. That's talking about expectations. Maybe my last question. Everything you've ever done, everything you've ever made, music, songs you've written, songs you've released, everything you've got, according to you, is it enough to make the people you love proud? Wow, that's a crazy question. Everything I've done? I've always done everything. I believe, like, I believe when I do everything, I never go beyond the limits that I always keep. The negative, I don't know if people feel it's negative or not, but I, personally, I always start something with love. Whatever it is, whether it's friendship, or anything else, I'm easy to buffer. Whether it's friends, or anything else, I can, I, I'm more, I'm like, for example, like Bang Iga, he's my brother. I'm like that. Even though, Bang Iga himself is like, I'm not that close to you. I'm close to you. I'm like that, bro. Because because my weakness is the overthinking feeling that really, really poisons me. So, as much as possible, I start something, whatever it is, if possible, don't ever hurt people's feelings. So, when I do something, I feel like the people around me are proud of me. Actually, that's it. If I, personally, I don't know how my brother, like, thinks about it. But, this is the best thing I've ever done. It must be this. Crazy, crazy, crazy, crazy. Best. Here, Jack. There's a question from my previous guest. Please read the question. Then, you also read who asked. There are two? One, one. What is the importance of personal experience or personal experience in writing a song? Ardhito Pramono. Dito. What is the importance of personal experience? It's important. In my opinion, as important as... If I think about it, people, whether they are songwriters or painters or whatever, the more they have a lot of experience, the sharper that person is. In my opinion. That's why I always listen to whatever people say who are older than me. Whether it's their age is a month, I listen to it. Especially if their age is a few years older. I definitely listen to that. The important thing in songwriting is the feeling of being honest when we have experience. It's like a song. I was shot by the police and all that. But you never feel it. The feeling must be different. That's the important thing. Maybe. Okay. Now, please write the question for my next guest. Write the question and sign it with a clear name.