Ranking Member Scott Leads Civil Rights Forum II

Committee on Education & the Workforce Democrats
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May 17, 2025
Thank you for being here and thank you
for your dedicated fight against uh
what's going on in the uh Trump
administration fighting civil rights.
This administration's attack on
diversity, equity, and inclusion and
accessibility in the federal government
has been in the worst attack on civil
rights since we've seen since the
1960s. The administration has issued
several education related executive
orders that ignore the nation's history
and continued reality of inequitable
educational opportunities. States and
communities have a long history of
adopting policies and practices that
disproportionately and negatively impact
students of color and students with
disabilities. For example, the president
signed an executive order to dismantle
the Department of Education, a
department created by Congress to
protect students civil rights. The
Department of Education actually does
very little in education. Most of its
right work is in civil rights,
guaranteeing access to education, equal
access to education for students. Title
one of the Elementary and Secondary
Education Act recognizes that we fund
education with the real estate tax and
so it distributes money to high need
school districts, low-income areas to
ensure that all children have a shot at
getting a decent education also helps
achieve works on achievement gaps and
English language learners and students
with disabilities.
In higher education, they deal with
access, that is PEL grants and student
loans. And some of the proponents of the
campaign to to eliminate the Department
of Education talk about states rights.
Wasn't that long ago when states rights
was a battlecry of the segregationist?
Uh states rights have been used as the
strategy to promote slavery,
segregation, and abortion and and and
eliminating rights to abortion. But it
is the lack of equity, quality, and
consistency linen among the states that
highlighted the need for greater federal
role in education. And as attacks on
diversity continue, we look forward to
the 71st anniversary of Brown v. Board
of Education. Uh we're confronted with
the reality this country is strayed far
from the intended goal of equity and
education. We know in 19 in in May 17th
1954 the Supreme Court unanimously
rejected the doctrine of separate but
equal and struck down lawful school
segregation in America. The court said
in that opinion that in these days it is
doubtful that any child may reasonably
be expected to succeed in life if denied
the opportunity of an education. Such an
opportunity where the state is
undertaken to provide it is a right
which must be made available to all on
equal terms. Went on to say that in the
field of public education, the doctrine
of separate but equal has no place.
Separate educational facilities are
inherently unequal. But the court's
historic ruling was not the end of
school segregation. In fact, in
Virginia, it sparked massive resistance
and in the beginning of a long and
difficult struggle to unwind system
centuries of systemic inequality that
have influenced every aspect of life and
continues to this day. The current
events the in in current events, the
Trump administration's war on diversity,
equity, and inclusion and accessibility
is not just limited to education.
The administration has issued an
executive order ironically entitled
restoring equality of opportunity and
meritocracy to eliminate the use of
disparit impact liability. Because of
this, Americans are now more likely to
be not be denied equality of opportunity
and subjected to discriminatory
practices in education, workplace, and
housing that will go unchecked. Trump
administration is also purging federal
agencies and employees who supported DEI
a initiatives culminating in the
unprecedented firing of EEOC
commissioners Samuels and Burroughs.
Without their presence, the EOCC lacks a
quorum and is essentially unable to
protect white rights of workers whose
rights are under whose rights under
title 7 have been violated. and he fired
the chair of the joint chiefs of staff
and the librarian of Congress and
replaced him by people demonstrabably
less qualified. Lastly, the Trump
administration has ex has rescended
executive order 11246, which has been
the cornerstone of civil rights
protections from federal contracting
since 1964.
This executive order ensured that
federal contractors must take
affirmative action to asssure that they
are not discriminating against workers
based on race, color, religion, sex,
sexual orientation, gender identity, or
national origin. These actions assured
that taxpayer dollars were not being
used to fund discrimination. But
unfortunately, the Office of Federal
Contract Compliance Programs, for all
intents and purposes, has been closed.
that despite the president's reckless
actions and acquence and the acuence of
congressional Republicans, we need to
ensure the public that we're still
fighting for diversity, equity,
inclusion, and accessibility. This is
just not a fight in Congress. This is
why we've asked organizations here to
remind us why civil rights need to be
protected and tell us what they're
specifically doing to combat those
attacks. Now, we're not here to what I
call celebrate the problem, but we do
need to remind people of the need for
diversity, equity, inclusion, and
accessibility programs. But we know what
this program, what this administration
has done. We know this is what this
administration is doing, and we know
what they plan to do. And we want to let
the public know that we are fighting
back and how they can join the fight.
Now, my pleasure to uh turn the uh
program over to Chris Anders, the
director of policy and government
affairs at the ACLU, who will introduce
our p panelists and moderate today's
discussion. Chris,
uh thank you very much, Congressman. And
um I did want to kind of start out with
uh thanking uh Congressman um Scott and
his staff for all these all his work
over all these years. I started at the
ACLU in 1997. When I got here, uh,
Congressman Scott was for our office the
go and I think really for the whole
civil rights community, the go-to person
on civil rights and civil liberties. And
here we are nearly 30 years later and
he's still the go-to person. And uh, as
is as is his uh, staff on uh, both the
Education Workforce Committee and his
personal staff. And so I did want to
start out with that um uh appreciation
for his work um uh on these issues. And
uh and I think as as the scope of of um
the issues that he raised and the
challenges that uh Congressman Scott
just uh flagged um we are in a different
time uh here and for how many
administrations
um you know our all of our organizations
have gone through and all of our um you
know members uh for those on the hill
have gone through uh the congresses that
they've gone through. We're in a
different space. This is a this is a
challenge that is unlike anything else
that has been experienced in our
lifetimes and um and so you know it
really it does require all of us working
together and um and I'm happy and really
honored to be able to uh introduce the
panelists that we have here today um
from their organizations um each of them
have have you know contributed both
individually and uh through their
organizations to the defense of our
democracy. Um, and that really is where
we're at uh today. Um, so I'll I'll
introduce one each one in turn and and
then they'll have about five minutes to
kind of talk about what they're doing in
in educating the public on the
challenges uh litig litigating um to
defend to defend our democracy, defend
civil rights and civil liberties and
also to organize um to make sure that uh
that we're reaching the people beyond
the beltway. So I'll start with Carrie
Flaxman who's a senior adviser um at the
at Democracy Forward
uh which brings um she brings extensive
experience in civil rights litigation
and policy. Before she uh joined
Democracy Forward, she was vice
president for public policy litigation
law at Planned Parenthood. And uh so
Carrie, I'll turn it over to you.
Thanks so much. Um, thank you to ranking
member Scott for hosting this important
conversation and for the opportunity to
join you all today. Thanks Chris for the
introduction. My name is Carrie Flaxman
and I'm honored to be here today
representing Democracy Forward, a
national legal organization that
advances democracy and social progress
through litigation, policy, public
education, and regulatory engagement. As
we all know, President Trump's first 100
days in office saw a litany of executive
orders, more than any other previous
administration and actions
representative of his most dangerous
authoritarian impulses. The question
some are asking is where's the push
back? Where's the fight? And
organizations like Democracy Forward and
the ones sitting virtually alongside me
on this panel are fighting back. Since
the inauguration, more than 230 lawsuits
have been filed against the Trump
administration's actions. For our part
of Democracy Forward, since January
20th, we have filed 65 legal actions and
launched 82
investigations, securing major wins to
mitigate this administration's harmful
policies. We're working to ensure that
the courts remain a critical check on
executive power and that they are
protecting American democracy. And we
are winning. As of May 14th, civil
society has successfully obtained at
least 151 temporary pauses that have
been granted in courts across the
country from California to Connecticut
and and u Michigan to Mississippi.
Across our nation, we are seeing court
after court recognize the Trump Vance um
agenda's unlawful activities with judges
and this is important who have been
nominated by both Democrats and
Republicans ruling for people and for
our democracy. I'd love to highlight a
few of our cases um that are relevant to
today's discussion and I'll start where
ranking member Scott started. We are
working with many other partners to
safeguard our nation schools students
and teachers from attack. We were the
first to take action against the
president's plan to dismantle the
department of education filing a lawsuit
on behalf of school districts and
teachers unions. We've also won a
preliminary injunction to uh stop
implementation of a dear colleague
letter that targeted schools that taught
about racism. Uh turning to attacks um
unlawful attacks on federal funding when
President Trump tried to freeze funding
for all federal programs with a midnight
memo. Democracy Forward sprung into
action, rallying organizations and
filing the first lawsuit within 15 hours
and securing a stay on the order before
the deadline. That order, which is a
nationwide court order blocking the
freeze, is still in place and protecting
critical services from child care to
health programs. Since then, we've added
other lawsuits challenging the
administration's unlawful freezes and
terminations, including lawsuits in
support of organizations doing
naturalization work, and we won a court
order reversing the administration's
freeze on on congressionally
appropriated grants from the Inflation
Reduction Act and bipartisan
infrastructure law.
We're working to protect the civil
service. We've launched Civil Service
Strong and Rise Up, a legal defense
network for federal workers to connect
federal workers who rights whose rights
have been violated by the administration
with resources and free legal administr
free legal representation. Democracy
Forward has also filed numerous lawsuits
against unlawful actions against the
civil service like the schedule F
executive order firing of probationary
employees. Our work achieved the first
significant reinstatement of prob
probationary employees at six federal
agencies. Most recently, just last week,
we along with partners obtained a
temporary restraining order blocking the
administration's unlawful reorganization
of the federal government. in the
immigration space. Um, we recently sued
the Department of Health and Human
Services on new policies that have
resulted in the separation of families
and prolonged detention of children in
federal immigration custody. The lawsuit
challenges a new rule that disqualifies
undocumented family members from
sponsoring detained children, leading to
prolonged and unnecessary separations.
The new rule that we've challenged resin
safeguards that previously allowed
undocumented family members to sponsor
children uh without fear of immigration
enforcement. This has caused a dramatic
spike in average detention times for
these children from 37 days in January
to 112 days in in
March. Turning to reproductive health,
um Trump administration and its allies
continue to target women's reproductive
health. We at Democracy Forward
represent the manufacturer of the
generic methopristone Jambiopro to fight
back and protect the critical drugs from
legal attacks. We're also representing
Doctors for America and two cities to
defend the 2024 HIPPA reproductive
privacy rule which strengthens HIPPA's
privacy protections to cover
reproductive health care and
specifically protect women who travel
out of state state to seek lawful
abortion care. Texas, Missouri,
Tennessee, and many other state AGs have
filed cases to attack that rule and
HIPPA privacy rights overall, and we're
fighting to protect the rule. So, the
bottom line is that Democracy Forward
and our partner organizations across
civil society are showing limitless
courage fighting in the courts to stop
this executive branch and its attacks.
We will not be intimidated by efforts,
real or perceived, to threaten or
silence us. We will continue to fight
for people, families, students, workers,
and our communities and for the promise
of a functioning democracy. Thank you
for having me today. And with that, I'll
hand it back over to Chris. Thank you so
much, Carrie. Um, and next up is Ray
Lee. Um, and Ray is policy counsel at
NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund,
LDF. and um there he has played a
pivotal role in advancing civil rights
uh through legal advocacy and policy
reform. Uh very recently he contributed
to uh a recent legal win um here in DC
through the US District Court for the
District of Columbia uh which issued a
preliminary injunction blocking a uh
Department of Education certification
requirement that would have uh
threatened federal funding for schools.
Um, thereby, uh, this order basically
protects, uh, black students, uh, equal
access to quality education. So, with
that, I wanted to turn it over to Lee or
I'm sorry, Ray.
Yeah, thank you for having LDF present
today about the work that we've been
doing, and I'm specifically going to be
talking about uh, our work countering
the administration's assault on public
education and the legacy of Brown v.
Board. Uh so 71 years ago this week,
lawyers from LDF, including our founder,
Thood Marshall, litigated and won a
historic case in Brown v. Board. In
Brown, Chief Justice Earl Warren wrote
beha on behalf of a unanimous court that
an equal public education was quote the
very foundation of good citizenship. In
declaring segregation in schools
unconstitutional, Brown was monumental
in chipping away at decades of
discrimination against black Americans,
not only in the education system, but
throughout our multi-racial
democracy. Justice did not come with all
deliberate speed, though. Uh so over the
next few decades, LDF and others filed
cases nationwide to enforce the decree
of Brown. In many instances, the US
Department of Justice joined these
suits, putting the weight of the federal
government behind the goal of school
desegregation. 71 years later, though,
it's a simple fact that many schools
have yet to desegregate. DOJ is still
party to over 100 desegregation cases
nationwide. But concerningly, just last
month, the DOJ unilaterally dismissed a
consent decree that required a Louisiana
school district to desegregate. In
support of this dismissal, the current
head of the DOJ civil rights division
stated that quote, "No longer will
Plaqueman's Parish School Board have to
devote precious local resources over an
integration issue that ended two
generations ago. Since then, we've been
hearing that DOJ may decide to dismiss
more of these cases based on this false
belief that segregation is an issue of
the past." The failure to implement
Brown is definitively a current day
issue. When you look across the country,
the evidence clearly shows that schools
are more segregated today than they have
been in past decades. According to a
recent GAO report, more than a third of
students in this country attend schools
where 75% or more of those of the
students there are of a single race or
ethnicity. A recent Stanford study also
found that segregation between black and
white students in the nation's 100
largest school districts has increased
by over 64% since 1988.
But Brown's promise is not limited to
whether black students are simply in the
same buildings as white students. Brown
and its progyny ask whether there has
been a true equalizing of educational
opportunities. Whether that be the
quality in facilities, access to
resources, quality faculty,
transportation, or extracurricular
activities. In LBF's cases, we also look
to see whether districts are
discriminating against black students
through racially disperate discipline
practices or by restricting access to
advanced coursework. Consent decrees,
even those that are decades old, help
ensure schools compliance with
desegregation in all facets of school
life. Take for example our case against
St. Martin Parish School Board in
Louisiana. In 1965, LDF challenged the
district's policy of school segregation.
The federal court found that the school
board's operation of racially segregated
schools violated the constitutional
rights of black students and entered
into a series of consent decrees to
remediate these harms. In 2010, LDF and
the Justice Department argued that St.
Martin School Board had never actually
fully desegregated. We won that case and
in 2016, the federal district court
approved a new school desegregation plan
to ensure equal educational
opportunities for black students in St.
Martin. Subsequently, we entered into
agreements with the district to take
efforts to increase high school
graduation rates, decrease the use of
overly punitive discipline policies,
promote diversity among teachers and
staff, and improve school facilities.
Further court orders and consent decrees
came over the years, including in 2021
and 2023, to continue to put pressure on
St. Martin Parish to equalize
opportunities for students in the
districts. So these issues stemming from
Brown are clearly not problems that went
extinct two generations ago. St. Martin
is just one example, but LDF remains
involved in dozens of school
desegregation cases across the country
affecting tens of thousands of students.
We continue to say motivated and
safeguarding Brown's legacy. And it is
also clearly the case that DOJ cannot
unilaterally dismiss cases from its
desegregation docket when other parties
including LDF are involved. At the same
time, attacks on Brown do not only come
when DOJ dismisses desegregation cases.
As uh Krie just mentioned, recently the
Department of Education has issued
guidance that tries to chill lawful
efforts by schools to create racially
inclusive school environments. In
February, it was a DCL and FAQ. Uh and
then in April, the department followed
up those documents with a request that
state and local education agencies sign
an assurance to certify their compliance
with the department's wart view of the
law. These interpretations attempt to
use brown and turn it on its head.
Practices that support racially
inclusive school environments like
affinity groups that are open to all or
curriculum that teaches the truth about
American history do not generally
violate the law. And so LDF sued last
month uh to enjoin all three of these
documents alleging among other things
that they violated constitutional rights
under the first and fifth amendments. As
a result, we secured a preliminary
injunction against the certification
requests. And on the same day,
concurrent litigation from our partners,
including those on the call, the ACLU
and democracy forward uh also secured
injunctions against the dear colleague
letter and FAQ. So over the past month,
we've been getting the message out about
these litigation wins uh to every single
state education agency in the country as
well as hundreds of local education
agencies. Uh we've also been
communicating directly with students and
families uh with template letters so
they can push back on their school
boards and roll backs of diversity,
equity, and inclusion in their schools.
And we've already seen positive results
from that with school districts in
Decar, Georgia, and Cold Spring, New
York taking action in response to this
litigation. So, as we head into this
weekend's anniversary of Brown, we must
all remain vigilant of attacks on equal
educational opportunities for students
in this country. Whether that be in the
form of defunding public education
through the appropriations process,
through dismantling the Department of
Education, or these misguided executive
actions from the administration, LDF is
working on many fronts, including
working with allies in Congress uh to
push back and conduct oversight over uh
executive actions. And of course, we
continue to file litigation as well in
due course. Just wanted to quickly
mention we've also filed uh against ED
itself two lawsuits. One challenging the
cessation of the collection of federal
education data that's incredibly
important to researchers and to civil
rights advocates across the country as
well as a lawsuit challenging the
wholesale cancellation of the equity
assistance centers program. Uh so happy
to discuss those more.
Great. Thanks so much for having Thanks
also for all the work that LDF is doing.
Um the next uh our next speaker is
Rebecca Dixon who's president and CEO of
the National Employment Law Project um
where she leads efforts to advance
workers rights and economic justice. She
draws from her experiences growing up in
rural Miss Mississippi at the
intersection of race, class, and gender.
She was instrumental in expanding
unemployment insurance coverage in 20
states during the Great Recession, which
benefited over 20 million workers. Um, I
want to give uh Rebecca some time to
talk about the work of uh NELP.
Thank you, Ranking Member Scott, for
this important briefing. At NELP, we
believe every worker deserves a good
job, one that pays a living wage, robust
benefits, and we are here to fight lead
the fight to make good jobs a good jobs
economy the reality. I think we can all
agree that working people drive our
economy and that government has an
important role to play in supporting and
empowering their shared prosperity. Work
is foundational to our deeply held and
widely shared value of equality of
opportunity.
In exchange for their contributions, all
working people should be able to expect
a good job in return, to be treated with
dignity, to earn livable wages, to have
good benefits and access to all the jobs
to which they are qualified. The fact
is, hundreds of years after the end of
slavery and decades after the passage of
the Civil Rights Act, our labor market
remains deeply segregated by race,
gender, and other characteristics. Even
after you control for education, nearly
90% of occupations are considered reg
racially segregated. The way that that
plays out in practice is that the burden
of underpaying jobs, dirty jobs,
dangerous jobs, jobs with few benefits
fall most heavily on black and Latino
workers and on working women. rooted in
racist sexist stereotypes and beliefs.
This segregation is about which people
should be doing which work and who is
deserving of more compensation, better
working conditions and advancement
opportunities, who should have power in
the workplace. But beliefs don't operate
on their own. They are embedded in laws
and practices and can be challenged and
changed. There are a number of
structural barriers including
discrimination and hiring, on the job
harassment, and the criminal legal
system that disproportionately targets
workers of color. and then traps them in
a cycle of bad jobs and
reincarceration. Our civil rights and
labor protection laws and policies and
their enforcement agencies exist to
support and empower working people in
fulfilling this promise of good jobs and
in removing the barriers that hold them
back. As others have said, the Equal
Opportunity Employment Commission
administers the Civil Rights Act of 1964
which banned employment discrimination
based on race, sex, and other factors.
and that has helped to label level the
playing field for women and workers of
color. The Department of Labor has a
vital role in import enforcing
foundational protection on wages,
rights, and benefits. The Occupational
Safety and Health Act passed in 1970 has
helped transform America's workplaces in
ways that have significantly reduced
workplace fatalities, illnesses, and
injuries. and the National Institute of
Occupational
Safety, the the uh NAOSH, which is not
in OSHA, is actually in HHS, uh has
helped to investigate workplace injuries
and outbreaks of diseases and the Office
of Federal Contracting Compliance has a
critical role to play in enforcing equal
opportunity and federal contracting. To
be sure, with these agencies and these
laws, we have made some progress in our
aspiration of equal opportunity for all
working people over the last 60 years.
And we have made progress in getting
more workers into good jobs and making
bad jobs better jobs. But none of the
work is done and it is currently under
attack in careless blanket cuts to the
aforementioned agencies such as cutting
900 workers from NYOSH which is 90% of
their staff and firing commissioners and
members of several independent federal
agencies including the EEOC, the
National Labor Relations Board and other
agencies that protect civil servants and
federal employees.
We have seen these folks are under
attack, but working people, labor unions
and organizations like Nel and those
represented on this panel have been
pushing back. And in the case of NAOSH,
which employers rely on heavily to
breast protect their workers, we have
recently in the last two days been able
to get a third of those workers back
their jobs. And then of course um RFK
Jr. was heavily and aggressively
questioned about these cuts yesterday
during his oversight hearing and all but
conceded that they were made without
proper thought and care. We will
continue working with the Cal Manavitz
Institute and at Georgetown University
and the AFL CIO to try to bring back as
many workers as possible. Nel has also
been involved in the effort to set up
the federal workers legal legal defense
network which is helmed by the AFL CIO
empowered by we the action and supported
by many of the other groups including
the leadership conference the American
constitution society and democracy
forward and this network has so far
recruited over a thousand volunteer
attorneys to help federal workers and
over 1400 workers have reached out
already. NEP has prepared resources and
question and answer material and
webinars to really get the word out
about unemployment benefits and make
sure that these workers have access to
support while they're between
jobs. Um to bring this full circle,
working people drive our economy and
government has a role to play in
supporting and empowering their shared
prosperity. A recent study found that US
gross domestic product would have been
22.9 trillion dollars higher from 1990
to 2019 if opportunities and outcomes
were more equally distributed by race
and ethnicity. That doesn't even factor
in gender. Occupational segregation and
holding back women workers and workers
of color holds back all workers,
depresses economic activity. We and our
allies will continue to center working
people and insist that all workers are
treated with dignity, earn livable
wages, and have good benefits and access
to all the jobs for which they are
qualified. Thank you.
Thanks so much, Rebecca. I wanted to see
if um we could uh you know flesh out
some of the discussion a little more.
Um, and I wanted to start with Carrie
and um, your organization as you went
through covers an awful lot as the as
we're going through this uh, highly
destructive period with the Trump
administration. Um, you know, you're
it's a you're certainly drinking out of
the out of a fire hydrant, right? Uh but
you also have clearly and your
organization has clearly um prioritized
uh protecting civil rights and including
uh DEI programs from attacks. Um, and if
you could talk about how your
organization reached this conclusion
that this is an area that you wanted to
prioritize,
um, and how you went about that. And
then, and then also if you could talk a
little bit kind of beyond litigation,
the other kind of tools in the toolbox
that are being used, um, by your
organization, others to uh, protect uh,
civil rights and DEI programs. Sure.
Thanks for that question. you know,
we're all drinking from the fire hose
with this. And um we um from the
beginning at Democracy Forward, we've
been about prioritizing people and
communities and making sure that they
had access to the courts. And um uh as
importantly, making sure they knew they
had access to the courts and that those
courts were places where they could um
fight back. And um and so we're you know
prioritizing as you can see in the in
the issues that I um that I mentioned
which is um you know actually a small
part of of the work we're doing. Um we
are really highlighting trying to make
sure that people in their communities
are make are able to get into court and
that's really our our north star. Um
being able to participate in our
democracy is so important to its long
term long-term success. Um, you know, I
think we see litigation itself as an
important tool to educate communities.
um and the work of of everyone um uh Rey
and Rebecca's organizations and yours
Chris and in bringing cases um is doing
a lot of important work the stories that
that are coming out of of litigation um
as well as the work that people are are
doing more generally to show the um the
real personal impacts of of the cuts
that are happening. So, not just in the
education space, not just to workers,
but you know, if you think particularly
about the attacks on the civil service,
explaining to people, explaining to
communities how what these cuts are
going to mean to um them how important
the federal workforce is to um to to
them, to what they take for granted in
their everyday lives. Um and and so
showing them through litigation, through
the other tools that are at our disposal
that that that Democracy Forward and the
other organizations on this phone on
this call use um is just a critical
piece of of fighting back um um in these
um really difficult times.
Chris, they just called votes, so I'm
going to have to leave in just a second.
But I would like I want to see if we can
get some information from our panelists
as to what data and evidence they're
using as the basis for their cause of
action, kind of showing that um when
people say you don't need DEI
initiatives anymore, uh of course you
do. Um
because here's what's happening here and
here's what's happening there. Uh do we
have um can we I I don't know if would
if we can get stories um even maybe even
after the um after the call. So we have
some
documentation that um when they're
denying the need for DEI, they're just
denying reality.
I mean I can go ahead. Would you like me
just to hop in? Um you know Yes. Yes. I
mean certainly everyone on um all the
cases that have been filed challenging
these actions come with um uh when
you're seeking an emot seeking emergency
relief come with declarations that are
doing exactly this telling the story
telling the impact how these programs
how DEIA is is critical to ensuring um
that everyone um can um participate
fully. Um we have had in in in other
cases in which we've been involved. Um,
we have a a a a state court case um
challenging a state court um real estate
approval board against an attack um on a
on a requirement that the board members
be diverse and and and in in that case
have have amassed a um expert testimony
on historical importance um about the
the real historical discrimination in in
that field and the the continuing real
need for uh DEIA. So there are many
tools that we can use in litigation and
ultimately they all tell the same story
which is how important it is to continue
these programs.
Ray, do you have uh or
Rebecca additions?
Yeah, additionally I I mean uh we could
all obviously follow up with your office
with some some more data and we're
actually planning on submitting um some
some uh testimony ahead of some hearings
next week. Uh but in in our litigation,
if you look at our declarations, you
don't need widescale data. You can just
drill down to the individual level of
students who say, "Hey, I was looking
forward to taking this class in college
on critical race theory because it's
related to my major and it's going to
help me with my thesis and this college
in Virginia had to roll it back uh
because of threats from the federal
government saying they might lose all
their federal funding if they have
this." And so, uh, you can of course
amalgamate all of that into data, but
each of these individual stories of
students, teachers, families being
denied access to truthful accounts of
history, uh, being denied access to
finding community uh, in places where
they might be minoritized. Um, all uh,
very ring true and and can give rise to
legal claims without having to show some
sort of um, widescale effect on their
own. But the widescale effect is
obviously there in terms of how these
programs in college help with retention
with graduation especially for
low-income first generation students who
are navigating college and first in
their families to do so. Um having
supports for them is incredibly
important. That research has been uh
well shown over time.
We we have a recent report that we put
out um called desegregating opportunity
that has a lot of data in it and we're
happy to get that to you and any other
specific data that that would be
helpful. That'd be great. Thank you.
Great. Thanks so much. So, uh, Rey, you
talked really in a very compelling way
about the focus that you and LDF have
had on education and, uh, and
particularly, you know, the disruptions
and, uh, the harm that's being caused by
the actions that, uh, the education
department and the, uh, wider
administration are taking. Now, um you
have you have an audience now of of um
congressional staff here and you talked
about um you know going you know looking
for congressional oversight and and
things that that Congress can do. um if
you could talk to um staff about what
they can actually do to uh to push back
and you know whether whether they're
whether their boss is in a more
leadership type position like
Congressman Scott or whether they might
not even be on the a relevant committee.
Uh but how can they use their platform
and their and their office to uh to push
back on this?
Great question. Uh so my my background
is actually I I recently came to this
job from the department of education. So
I was in the office for civil rights on
the policy team there and left on the
last day of the administration. And so,
uh, a lot of the push back, um, and I've
talked to some folks that are on this
call, uh, have been about getting
educated on what's happening to the
Department of Education in terms of the
dismantling of the Department generally
and of the Office for Civil Rights and
how that is leaving a gap in the ability
of students and families to be able to
pursue rightful discrimination claims
that they might have. And so a lot of
that can be done through oversight
letters from Congress to the Department
of Education asking about their
district. Uh so asking about school
districts, major school districts that
you have. Um are there complaints
against these school districts that are
are they being filed? And if they're
being filed, are there sufficient
resources to be able to actually address
these claims? Uh so obviously they they
have fired over, you know, about half of
the Office for Civil Rights. They've
closed seven of the 12 offices. uh and
it has led to doubling if not tripling
in some instances of the case loads of
uh line attorneys who are in charge of
investigating and responding to these
claims. Uh so on a pure resources front
that's going to be a problem. But where
there might be additional pressure from
Congress is saying uh we we've been
hearing that there have been more
directed investigations in which
political leadership at OCR is deciding
what to investigate uh instead of
letting attorneys actually triage and go
through and look at cases that are
coming in. And so pushing and saying,
"Hey, we have real students in our
district who might have uh complaints
about racially hostile environments in a
K- through2 school. They might have
complaints about accommodations for
their disabilities that aren't going
through. These are kind of breadandbut
cases for OCR that typically go through
in any administration um that have been
put on hold whether for resource
constraint reasons or for political
reasons that Congress can try to get
moving by trying to get senses of
numbers of hey how many racial hostile
environment cases are there in our you
know related to schools in our district.
Uh what's happening to those cases? Has
there been movement in the last three
months? Uh so asking questions on that
front. We've also seen executive orders
in the education space that aren't
self-executed. They're from the White
House and they're directing the
Department of Education and Department
of Justice to issue new guidance on
things like school discipline. Uh
something that we care deeply about is
making sure that schools don't
discriminate through the application of
their discipline policies. uh whether
that be disciplining black students more
harshly than others uh for the same
offenses or if that means having
policies that through their effects uh
lead to discrimination on the basis of
race. the department hasn't actually
issued guidance there. And I think this
is the right moment uh for Congress to
help get advocates in the room uh with
the Department of Education or Congress
uh directly um working with the
Department of Education to help shape
that guidance um and to see what that
looks like and to make sure that it
adheres to Title Six um and and to what
we traditionally see as the legal
balance here. Uh we also see things that
are firmly in Congress's uh you know,
jurisdiction here. The appropriations
process right now has a ton of different
uh challenges for public education. Uh
whether that be defunding public
education at the K through2 level there,
you know, in the president's skinny
budget request, there was the idea of
consolidating essentially all elementary
and secondary education funding into one
block grant program. Uh that might mean
that we're losing things like the magnet
school assistance program that is
supposed to help with integration. It
might mean losing things like foster and
diverse schools program, a new uh
program that's helping uh to support
diversity in schools. And so Congress uh
has the right to know what you know what
the president is actually proposing here
uh in terms of these line item uh big
you know consolidations where he's
cutting billions and billions of dollars
uh from funding for K- through2
education without any specific details
on what's going on. Um and that also
brings up one last point on on the
reconciliation front. That's an active
fight that's coming to Congress now. Uh
so we see it in the House. It's coming
to the Senate soon. And we see higher
education member uh higher education
changes there that haven't gotten a lot
of play uh in the news, but are
incredibly impactful for students access
to higher education, especially for
black and low-income students. There
changes in there that would cut
eligibility for PEL for possibly tens of
thousands, if not hundreds of thousands
of students every year. uh so access to
PEL funding for low-inccome students
there uh roll backs of regulations there
that are trying to regulate predatory
highcost lowquality programs including
many for-profit programs that is being
done through the reconciliation process
and so Congress has a ton of say here
whether you're on the you know
committees or not um the these issues
are coming to the floor soon and um we
you know as an advocacy community are
are happy to help educate on where these
provisions are and how they might be
affecting uh things whether they be
firmly sitting with Congress or things
that are being mowled over in the
executive right now.
Great. Thank you. Um Rebecca, if turning
to employment, if you could uh give us
all kind of may maybe a little bit of
federal contractors contracting
employment 101, right? Um why is why is
it so important and harmful um what uh
President Trump did in his first week in
office to uh take away the protections
that have been provided to uh employees
of federal contractors and those
employees make up about 20% of the of
the overall national workforce.
Great question. So the workforce covered
by OFCCP includes workers from every
sector of the economy and it includes
low-wage workers like maintenance
workers, janitors, security guards,
office administrators. Um, so as I spoke
about earlier, so jobs that have high
concentrations of women and workers of
color, the best way to talk about OFCCP
is to understand the impact of uh losing
it is to look at what it's accomplished
in the last decade. So in the last
decade, it's obtained over
$260.8 million in financial relief for
more than 250,000 employees and job
seekers. and it has secured 22,600 job
opportunities and salary adjustments for
individuals who had suffered
discrimination. When workers face
discrimination and hiring and pay
inequity and other forms of unfair
treatment, OFCCP would use its authority
not only to provide relief directly to
those impacted individuals, but also to
ensure that companies change their
practices and comply with the law moving
forward. So the agency also conducts
proactive audits to deter and root out
discrimination which means that workers
coming forward is not the only way to um
to find the discrimination and to
address it.
Right. Thank you. So I wanted to uh I
think this is another kind of area where
it'd be really helpful to you know
provide some education for people who
might not have um have had to uh had to
deal with disperate impact um uh claims
and uh and what the disperate impact
theory is. But then they're hearing a
lot about it and hearing about uh the
Trump administration's attack on on
disperate impact um litigation. Um and
if um I'll kind of open it up to anyone
who wants to weigh in because it you
know it comes up in in both the
employment and the education context.
And if you and if you talk about kind of
like what why why it's important um and
what the um what the attacks are are
costing us right what what kinds of
harms um we'll see if these uh
protections are taken away I can start
so desperate impact liability is one of
those critical tools um to to actually
address discrimination and it's deeply
rooted and judicial president and
congress actually wrote it into title 7
um when it was amended in 1991 and that
passed with 93 votes in the senate. So
it was very uh it had broad support and
only congress can change it um though
the president and the acting chair of
the EOC can do significant damage to it
in the meantime. Um we know that much of
discrimination um that drives
occupational segregation happens without
a smoking gun. So without an obvious or
conscious attempt to discriminate or
maybe through the use of a
characteristic that is a proxy for race,
gender, or another identity such as um
uh criminal history. One of the areas
where we're particularly concerned on
civil rights protection for workers is
those workers with arrest and conviction
records. Nearly one-third of US adults
have an arrest or conviction record. And
like all workers, they also deserve good
jobs. Yet some employers systemically
deny them fair opportunities to work and
this is a lifelong impact um in terms of
reductions in employment and wages. The
EOCC's only pending disperate impact
case uh alleges that a convenience store
chain maintained a long-standing
practice of screening all job applicants
for records of criminal conviction and
then denying them employment based on
these records. And this practice
disproportionately excludes workers of
color who are more likely to be um
impacted by our criminal justice system.
So this there are real consequences to
to not using this tool uh to get justice
for workers.
Would you like to talk about in the
education context?
Yeah. So in education, um obviously
schools are also employers and so on the
title 7 front um a lot of what Rebecca
just said is incredibly important. Uh
but in in the title six context uh
there's an active uh move right now by
the federal government to essentially
resend disperate impact regulations that
are um support are implementing title
six. Uh so we actually saw the first
announcement of one of those interim f
final rules this week from the
department of energy. Uh not really sure
why energy went first uh but they went
first and it kind of lays out the
blueprint of what these recision of
rules might look like in other agencies
uh including when it eventually gets to
the department of eds title six
regulations. And so uh what what that
means is I mean we see the use of
disperate impact uh right now as an
incredibly useful tool in fariting out
discrimination in education where it's
not as clear as you know a whites only
sign in front of a school. uh that might
be in the case of discipline practices
uh where you have hair policies that uh
might be race neutral on their face but
have a disperate impact on black
students and and lead to exclusion for
black students um without you know
legitimate reason for them or uh there's
a way to achieve the same goals in a
less discriminatory way which is
essentially the base standard uh for
disparate impact. The other thing that I
wanted to flag in the department of
educa or department of energy rule is it
clearly lays out the title six
jurisdiction for u limited English
proficiency coverage. So this idea that
the federal government and recipients of
federal funds uh can't discriminate
against non uh or those who don't have
uh proficiency in English. Uh, and
that's kind of the undergirling of what
makes it so the federal agencies provide
translations and assistance on documents
uh, to make sure that those who aren't
yet fluent in English are able to access
important government services. That's
directly addressed headon in the DOE rag
as one of the things that we're sending
is is the policies that the DOE has with
regards to um, LEAP. Obviously, if that
goes into the Department of Education
space, that's going to have ripple
effects all across uh public education
when it comes to uh not only students
who are English learners, but parents
with limited English proficiency as
well. And so, the attacks are very real
uh on the title six front. Uh and they
they affect a wide variety of of topics.
Great. Gary, do you have anything to add
to that? I mean there obviously Rebecca
and Ray are are the the experts um on on
this. I I would add a few observations.
Um the I think we as a community are
playing whack-a-ole um on these um on
these attacks because they're coming
they're coming in in so many forms. You
have executive orders. Um you have
certifications um to receive money. You
have dear colleague letters. Um you know
Ray just mentioned this the rule from
the energy department which I don't
think is where folks thought the attacks
would start but also in the form of a
direct final rule which is not a
typically used form of rulem and so you
know we need to be looking across
agencies as everyone did is doing to see
these attacks and figure out the best
way to fight back. Um and I would also
just mention in from the reproductive
health space which is which is my
background um we are um you know the
some of the attacks that are coming in
the reproductive um rights and health
space right now are coming in the form
of anti-Dei attacks. uh the money that
is frozen about title about the title 10
family planning program right now are
for in alleged investigations with
alleged non-compliance with title six
and title 7 around just public
statements that were made in support of
of DEIA. Um there are requested changes
being made to the teen pregnancy
prevention program also with the same
asserted goals. And so these attacks are
coming across the federal government in
in different ways, in different
programs. And um you know, I'm in I'm in
awe of the community's ability to um to
be tracking this and collectively
figuring out a way to um to fight back.
Great. As we um close out, I I'm
realizing that the chat function doesn't
work on this. So, um, but I did want to
make sure that, um, everyone on this
call, you know, particularly all the
staff on the call have have an ability
to kind of reach out to each of you and
to your organizations. So maybe if we
could just kind of go go through and if
if you you know if you feel comfortable
giving give an email address or contact
information and also also where else um
uh they can how else can they kind of
keep up with what your organization is
doing and uh and then and then I think
also given that um you know some of the
staff are from you know personal offices
where they are might be getting um
inquiries where they they feel like this
could be this could be a matter that
really should be, you know, looked at as
possible litigation. How do they how do
they reach how do they get into your
pipeline of of um of case, you know,
potential cases uh if they have a
constituent or know of an area where
they feel like this would be something
that really should end up in litigation.
I I would say the first place to stop is
our website. We have uh a tracker, the
worker policy tracker, where we are
tracking all of these um activities that
affect workers um in real time. So
you'll find a lot of information there,
what what the actual change is, what's
the impact of the change and what's
being done around the change. Um that
information is there. You can also find
um my information to contact me and um
and folks on my team who are the subject
matter experts.
And that's uh
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www.nep.org for democracy forward. You
can always email me. I'm at cflaxman
democracyforward.org. Um our website is
democracyforward.org and we have a lot
of information about our cases, about
the attacks. Um but another important
place to go is that we um have um have a
democracy 2025
um coalition that is over 500
organizations now including all the
organizations on this call that um is
that website has a lot of information
about the attacks. um also has uh the
organizations that are part of that
coalition and if you reach out uh to me
directly or even through that website um
if there are questions about you know
who's doing this work where should I go
that's another place to to look to find
that out or to reach out to us to ask
yeah um and my job I I'm very new to
this show this is like my first month on
the job but I view it as being a
connection between LDF including our
litigators and the Hill. And so I put my
email, I changed my name on here to have
my email in parenthesis. If you go to
the panelist tab, I don't know if that
worked, uh, but it is
rly
nacd.org. Uh, happy to meet with folks.
I'm based in DC, so can come to the
hill, uh, do virtual meetings. Uh we've
created a lot of materials recently even
on this disparate impact front that are
meant to try to translate some of these
legal principles and and legal arguments
for uh health staff who might not be
lawyers. Uh so happy to circulate a lot
of those um as well. And um just one
quick plug that we have a Brown
anniversary event on Monday that LDF is
hosting uh with some other orgs. And so
if you want to go to our socials, you
can uh check the registration for that.
It's going to be enlightening
conversation including with some former
administration officials from Alles
admin to talk about a lot of the current
attacks and a lot of what we talked
about today. Uh but happy to meet with
anyone and and talk through and connect
you with anyone at LDF that might be
helpful for you or a constituent.
Uh and I'll say for the
ACLU I'm available to kind of anyone any
time. uh Chris Anders and uh for anyone
at the ACLU our our uh email protocol is
the same which is first initial last
nameacclu.org. Um you can reach out to
any of us and uh with any question and
we'll get it to the right person if it's
not in our area. Uh you're certainly
welcome to contact me at any point. Um
and then on our website aclu.org
We have we have just a wealth of
information about um all of our um
litigation, all of our um uh policy
work. Um pretty much every pretty much
every letter testimony, anything that we
do with Congress um is archived there.
So, uh if you just use our our search
function, you can find um almost
anything as well as a lot of our
litigation. We put up um a lot of our
key documents um on it. Um, and then for
for intake, um, again, you can certainly
you can certainly contact me and I can I
can get you to the right person. Um, but
the ACLU has a state affiliate in every
state in the country. That's usually the
the entryway into into um our legal
department, our our uh litigation is is
uh through our state affiliates. And uh
so in every state you can refer you can
refer any constituent really to to the
ACLU of that state and they can and they
can you know do that initial
conversation with them. Um and I want to
thank again uh Congressman Scott and his
staff uh for putting this together and
for inviting us and uh and for uh really
coming up with this really great idea
this uh series. Thank you.
