Top Naturopathic Doctor Explains the Overlooked Gut-Lymph Connection | Dr.Cabral | Mind Pump 2615

Dr. Cabral, welcome back to the show. Always a good time. Great to be here. And we have more tests to review. We're going to talk about food sensitivities. Yes. This is the most popular test that you have, if I'm not mistaken. In functional medicine in general, food sensitivity testing is one of the most popular, if not the most popular. Why would you say that is? Is it because it's just, it's, it's inexpensive, easy, and it's a kind of nice first place to start for people? Or it's where Western medicine really doesn't go whatsoever. Wouldn't you say that? I mean, I would think that's like, you could get a lot of the other stuff when he gets into hormones, things like that. You can get some insight when you go to your regular practitioner. They're not doing anything like this. That, that, and people do this for ages three and up. So they're doing it with their kids. The whole family's doing it. It's really approachable and everyone has to eat. Like that's the thing. Yeah. So like your nutrition absolutely matters more than anything really. And the other big part of this is that people are feeling symptoms like random symptoms could be skin rashes, maybe brain fog, lower energy, and they don't know what's causing it. And it could be a food that you literally ate two to three days ago because these are latent reactions that you're reacting to. So there's no other way to really figure this out. Right, right. And again, what you're looking at with these tests are not anaphylactic shock type of reactions, but rather you mentioned it latent reactions. So it's an autoimmune reaction. That's more subtle, takes longer to kick in, but it can look and feel like a lot of different things, including lethargy, inflammation of course, digestive issues and stuff like that. Right? Yeah, absolutely. And so you can have a early reaction when you eat a food, that's the anaphylaxis that you were talking about, most typically known with peanuts or strawberries or things like that. And so, you know, what is that? That's going to be an immediate IgE based reaction. So an immediate reaction is the easiest way to look at that. Hive, swelling of the throat. That is a real food allergy, different than what we're talking about, which is sensitivities. So sensitivity just means non-life threatening allergy. That's really what we're looking at. Now there's still immune reaction. So there could be an IgM, which is a like intermediate one. We call it that's 24 hours later or so after you eat the food. And then the easiest way to think about is IgG. That's a latent one, two to three days after you eat a food, you end up with skin rash, headaches, low mood, low energy, inflammation, joint pain. So what is it? It's just creating an inflammation. So the IgG is just an immunoglobulin, which is just a white blood cell that's going after a food that it has marked as foreign to your body. And when it goes after it, it creates inflammation when it actually begins to engulf it and remove it from your body. So the more you have that food, the more inflammation you can get from that. Now, again, it goes back to the rain barrel effect. Let's say you're also not eating well in general, not getting sleep. If you already have a lot of inflammation, this is just one more thing you're adding in the rain barrel and it's making a big difference. So these are the ones that we like to test. Most people, I've always used this example. If you're sensitive to shellfish or, you know, lobster and you eat it, you get hives, you don't need to run a lab test for that. You know, you know, you're sensitive, right? So we want to do the ones that this is a big one with kids. Like, should they eat dairy or not eat dairy? Well, I don't know. Let's take a look at the lab tests. And I will share with you, it's come a long way over the last 12 months with the lab testing too. So since it is so popular and we were talking about this previous on the hormones based show, we are one of the largest, um, utilizers of these lab tests around the world. So typically the, the, uh, top company shipped them all over the world, UK, Canada, us, et cetera. And what they did was they, we actually looked at, again, you can anonymize this data, a population study of 79,000 people. And so we looked at 25% from 25 to 50%, from 50 to 75, and then 75 to 90, 95, and then 95 and above. And so we're able to categorize people based on reactivity. And so what we're actually, which I love, because I love the research behind this, we're helping to increase even to a greater degree, not necessarily the number, the number is always the number. It's your reactivity, the potential for you to react to this food. So the likelihood you're going to have a symptomatic reaction, which is pretty amazing. So we're going to talk about the latest test, which shows you the truest reactivity you're most likely having. Okay. So that implies that someone can have elevated IgG antibodies and not necessarily noticing symptoms. Exactly right. Yes, exactly right. So we look at it from zero to 25, because remember, you're eating foods which are non-human. So there's some reactivity, but not great. That doesn't mean that, is there some inflammation, normal inflammatory reaction. What we're finding is the 25 to 50%, which would ordinarily be low before, before, call it like a year ago with our labs. You would see that as low. And our typical recommendation was remove for six weeks. Not a big deal. See what happens. Yeah. And then, you know, exactly. See if you feel better when you remove it and worse when you add it back in. And then most people have a tolerance for that food of like once or twice a week. It's not going to be an everyday food. Right. So that's the biggest difference we found is that the 25 to 50% may not need the full six week removal. You might just, you might have no symptoms if you're doing everything else well, but you also might just keep it at once or twice a week in your diet. Okay. So this alludes to what I, how I wanted to start this conversation, because I find that of all the tests and all the things that we talk about, there seems to be the most skepticism around this type of testing. So is that kind of why? Because there's this wide range of, well, yeah, you, maybe you don't have a full blown intolerance to it, but it's not ideal for you. And so people are finding that they get a test and it says like, oh, I shouldn't be eating this. Well, I seem fine when I eat it. Well, yeah, you're fine. As long as you only eat it once a week or every other week. It's just, it shouldn't be a food every single day. So where can you address like all the skepticism that is around this type of testing and why that is? Yeah. A hundred percent. So everybody believes that there is a legitimate reaction taking place in the body. Everybody believes in the IgE, IgA, IgM, IgG, immunoglobulins, that's a fact. And we know that when you eat foods, you have various reactions to these different immunoglobulins because it's seen the protein. So we're actually, so people, that's the problem is that it's mistaken. Even with dieticians and medical doctors, they're like, well, this person clearly can't or can't eat dairy because they don't get bloating. They don't get gas. So like, first of all, it's typically a digestive issue to dealing with lactose, which is the carbohydrate or sugar in that. It has nothing to do with the protein. So first it's just education around, we're looking at the proteins inside of these foods, which would be the reactivity. If you have dairy and you get gas or an issue like that, that is a digestive issue where your body's not producing enough lactase in order to break down the lactose, which is the sugar in dairy. That's a totally separate subject. So you could come out on this lab test and actually show you're not sensitive for certain foods, but when you eat them, you feel sensitive to them and see people like, well, it should have showed up in the test. No, that's a digestive based issue with bloating gas, distention, not a immune system. These antibodies are, you're tagging them by the proteins. That's right. Okay. So, so you said it could be autoimmune. It can actually, so you get enough of these and you get enough gut permeability, which, you know, I want to talk about for sure, the gut lymphatic connection here, because this is like really important. Um, it can lead to autoimmune issues. You have a permeable enough gut where enough is seeping out proteins, bacteria, mycotoxins, mold based like from food, which isn't a lot of milk and dairy as well. And that will eventually lead to autoimmune issues in every person. No, but in genetically susceptible to susceptible people. Absolutely. Talk about that. So what is the lymphatic system? People don't know. And what is the connection between those two? So the, the lymphatic system flows through the entire body, but the biggest difference between that and blood is that it really moves on a manual based pump, which I'm sure you've probably chatted about before in the show, but that means that you need to literally move your body or move it. So rebounding, um, you know, trampoline, that type of thing is phenomenal for moving it, but also just heat sauna is a great thing to be able to move the lymphatic system or dry brushing or massage, always moving towards the heart. Now, here's the interesting thing though, because, um, outside of your intestines, so you've got about call it 19, 20 feet of small intestine, about six feet or so of colon, your large intestine all around that. And we've heard this term before, right? 70% or so of your immune system, right? Well, what that is is actually, it's the gut associated lymphoid tissue. So the gut and then associated just means part of lymph. So it's all this lymph that lives around the intestines and it's part of a greater system, which is called a mucosa associated lymphoid tissue. Now, what that looks like is it's basically a netting or gel, not exactly a gel, but it goes inside of the intestinal lumen, which is just the cell wall of your intestines and the laminate properia flow, they take all the toxins and fats and they move them through the lymph nodes. And what happens though, is if you have a more permeable gut, it's taking more toxins and it's getting backed up. So these lymph nodes and the lymph itself is getting congested. Think of like you haven't changed your oil in a while. It's like sludge rather than that nice viscosity that is smooth and flowing. Over time, that sludge moving through your entire body. Well, what's it going to feel like? It feels like the lethargy that we talked about, the brain fog, the puffiness, the water retention, the low mood, and the skin rashes, that's a big part of being imbalanced. And so much of our health really does depend on this gut associated lymphoid tissue. And when you have more than two thirds of it, 70 to 80% around your gut and digestion, that's why when people say, oh no, you don't need to worry as much about your diet, no food and digestion, not just food, but the digestive system has to be one of the number of things you, number one things you look at in terms of health. Today's program giveaway is MAPS Anabolic Advanced. If you want to win, leave a comment below this video. First 24 hours that we drop it, subscribe to this channel, turn on notifications. If you win, we'll let you know in the comments section. We also have a sale this month, the shredded summer bundle and the bikini bundle of programs, both 50% off. If you're interested, go to mapsfitnessproducts.com and then use the code June 50 for the discount. Here comes the show. Backing up again, you know, you talked about dairy. Uh, I can take a lactase tablet with dairy and I won't get the immediate digestive distress, but I'll still get the inflammation and the, and it's because, uh, and I've tested this years ago. I haven't done one a long time. So we'll see what it says now, but I have, uh, you know, strong antibodies to the dairy protein. Yes. So I can do lactate. I could do lactase, lactose free, which is better than with lactase, uh, with lactose, but still not great. I still don't feel good from it. And it's good that you recognize that because people will think I can have dairy as long as I take my lactase tablets. Or an enzyme or whatever it might be. Now those will be helpful in order to break down the carbohydrate, but they don't stop the reactivity of the protein. And you're exactly right. It will lead to whatever your susceptibility is. Could be joint pain, could be puffiness, could be water retention. You know, some people they'll, they'll weigh six pounds, seven pounds less from when they wake up in the morning to, you know, when they get on the scale at night. Now, some of that's normal, just rehydration, but a lot of that can be inflammation. How do you improve or help with that lymphatic, uh, you know, detoxification process? So the first part we want to look at with the digestive system, I would say there's about five main things that could be chatted about it before. So I won't go too much more in depth. Maybe we can link up previous shows, but candida overgrowth, which happens all the time with the antibiotic use. So, or SIBO. So like SIBO is another imbalance, but when you have SIBO, again, you'll go to a medical doctor. What will they do? They'll give you an antibiotic. Okay. So it kills the bacteria. Now you typically relapse because eventually it grows back because it doesn't grow back properly, but it does nothing for the yeast overgrowth. So candida overgrowth begins to grow whenever you take antibiotics. Also, because there's no bacteria to check it. Right. So candida now can just explode. Exactly. Right. And now the candida has a lot of the same symptoms as the SIBO, which is the bloating or gas intestinal distension. All of those things. Go back to the doctor, give him more antibiotics. Oh, the SIBO must've come back. And so, you know, that's, that's, that's the, you know, the, the cycle that people repeat. So we've got SIBO, swan-tested bacterial overgrowth. We've got candida, we have parasites, we have H. pylori, but 25% of people walking around with H. pylori. Don't even know that. 25%. Yeah. It's a huge number. And that's because it's so easily passed. You can get a salad bar and get it undercooked foods. You can get it person to person. Like it's, it's pretty easy to pass. It's true. If you have H. pylori, you, your partner probably has it too. A high likelihood, unless some people's immune systems are unbelievable at killing the bacteria. Cause it's an infection, a bacteria beforehand. Yeah. So, um, and some people are just far more prone to it as well. And it's tough for them to kick it. They knock it down. They knocked it down. It doesn't really show up and then it comes back, but there's great things you can do for them. Um, number one thing is mastic gum, believe it or not. And they'll Greek resin. Uh, it's called massive gum. You take two to three grams a day. It's been working for hundreds to thousands of years for H. pylori. Really? Yeah. It's not the only thing I would do, but certainly it works great for that because eventually it causes, uh, peptic ulcers. Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. In fact, they used to think ulcers were due to so many other things and then somebody realized it's a, it's a infection. So with the, with, when you go back to Candida, SIBO, is this why functional medicine practitioners like you tend to favor natural antimicrobials because they don't just kill bacteria, but they're also anti-fungal, anti, okay. So it's, it's, so it's not just the same thing that works for bacteria are going to work for the fungus as well. Okay. Now there's, there's some that don't have the exact crossover, but most do. And also I'm, at least for me as a practitioner, I'm not a single nutrient type of provider. Meaning like some people would just say, we're just going to use oregano oil or we're just going to use Uber RC because when I started to run all of these labs many, many years ago on the lab test, it actually, the lab will show you on some of these labs. If you do a bacterium parasite stool test too, which nutritional supplements and which pharmaceuticals will actually work to kill your bacteria. And what I realized was like two thirds of these are going to work in one third isn't, and you're not going to know who the individual is going to work for unless you're running a stool test. Nobody likes to run a stool test. So we created formulas. The CBO protocol was just used as all of them and it does it by month and it works for less, least strong to most strong. And the reason is then you don't have all the die off reactions because these, I mean, when you think about a hundred trillion bacteria in your gut, now you're not killing them all off of course. But when these things die off, it doesn't always feel good. And so we do it at a much slower pace and it allows us to call it the Herxheimer effect. That's right. Yeah. The die off that you get from that originally founded due to antibiotics. So you take antibiotics and it does what it's supposed to do. It kills the bacteria. And if it kills too much bacteria too quickly, you have an awful Herxheimer reaction. Happens with parasite treatments as well. It can for sure. Yeah. If I'm not mistaken. Yeah. So those four plus food sensitivities, which are the fifth one, are all the reasons why people get gas bloating. And that's why when you have gas bloating, you go to your doctor and they tell you you have irritable bowel syndrome, you know, you're like, just means we don't know what you have covers the, that's really what it means. They're basically saying that we don't know what's causing it, but we're going to give it a name, tummy rumblings, and then you've got an upset tummy and they'll give you some antispasmodic drugs and other things like that. And, you know, send you on your way, but there's, there's really only five underlying root causes. That's the nice thing. What's the connection between you know, gut health, the lymphatic system and skin. I'm always here. It comes out in your skin, bad skin. You got skin rash, the skin. And I've noticed this with clients that when we, when they would work with people, functional medicine practitioners who help them with their gut health, their skin oftentimes would clear things like rashes and discoloration and stuff like, what's the connection? Is it really coming out? Are you really detoxifying your skin? Is that's, that's the terminology out here. You really are. I mean, I know people don't love the word detoxification. It's like, it's being used now more liberally and sometimes the right way. Sometimes not. Uh, but that's, that is what your spit skin is literally meant to do. That's the nice thing. We are meant to sweat through our skin. And, um, when you do sweat tests, you can actually look at mycotoxins, believe it or not, like mold coming out, mercury, um, and, and all sorts of different bacteria. And, uh, you use a sauna. So that's why I love all sauna. So don't get me wrong. Like the finished dry sauna. I've got a barrel sauna in Maine, uh, that I love using. And, but I also have an infrared sauna and an infrared sauna allows it to penetrate deeper into the cells and tissue itself to further detoxify. So yes, it is literally being pushed out through your skin. One of the number one reasons for acne besides hormonal acne is from bacteria. And so that's why they'll give antibiotics for one of the reasons I got so sick when I was 17. Isn't accutane like a really strong antibiotic? Well, it is, um, at least what I believe, uh, or know, understand why is a derivative of vitamin a, right? I believe it is, but they give antibiotics. So that's, that was the issue with my gut. So from 14 years old to 17 years old, the whole time I took over 3000 capsules of amoxicillin twice a day, I had the big containers. I would go to the pharmacy. Then this was totally normal. Like this was just like growing up in the eighties. You get your Z-packs, you get your amoxicillin, any case of a sniffle, you just take your Z-pack and then, you know, for, for this and you know what? It cleared up my, uh, my acne. What it did was destroy my new gut associated lymphoid tissue. And then I ended up with 10 years of, uh, Addison's disease, type two diabetes, acid reflux, all sorts of issues. So sure. Got rid of the acne, clear skin, had to trade that for a decade of my life. So yeah, pretty brutal. I'd rather have the pimples for a couple of years. Exactly. Rather go through that. But also I was eating a terrible diet, right? Like, I mean, I was like sweating and, and, you know, not, not the best hygiene or cleansing of the skin when you're 14 years old and eating a cereal and cool drinking Kool-Aid in the morning and little Debbie snacks in the afternoon. So, uh, not the best diet, but having said that a big part of the, of acne is bacteria in the blood. Because, or due to the fact that the skin does help with the detoxification process, when you go on treatment, when you go to support your liver and your lymphatic system, that you can actually get worse skin first. A hundred percent. So for two to three weeks, when using even like an NLC to cystine, a glutathione, a CBO protocol, whatever it might be, you may get worse. Your skin might look worse for two to three weeks. It really is important to know for people listening because I'll start it. You might be like, this was for my skin and it's worse, but you oftentimes get worse before you get better with these types of things. And I know people don't want the worst, which is why I always say, start lower. If the dose is four capsules a day, start at one capsule for the first week. It's going to take a little bit longer, but that's okay. Second week, do two, third week, three, next week, four. Now you're at the highest dosage so that your body slowly got into it. And that is the best way, kind of the best of all worlds. If you're really worried about that. Now we will say it only happens in maybe one or two out of 10 cases. So it's not the majority, but because remember the main detoxification organs are your liver first, then your kidneys, and then your skin. And if you, if you aren't seeing the improvement or you want the improvement to happen faster in your skin, you can do sauna to sweat it out faster. And you can also do coffee enemas and coffee enemas. Okay. So explain that for me real quick. So why does coffee enemas help you detox? I'd never understood that. Is it the antioxidant? I just don't get, is it the, why, why, why not drink your coffee? Why is that? Why in the ass? So you can drink the coffee, which is good too. There's nothing wrong with the polyphenols in coffee are great and they actually can help with detoxification. Too much caffeine actually is not great for detoxification. It can slow down the, it's called the cytochrome P four 50 pathway. Okay. But, um, with a coffee enema, so it sounds kind of strange, but to demystify it, literally you're just using T three tablespoons of a clean coffee, you know, organic mold, free coffee. You put it in a French press, keep it there for about 10 minutes. Yeah. Put it into a bin. I don't like people putting them in plastic bags. Cause then you get the phthalates and other things coming in your body. You let it cool down to about room temp. Yeah. You don't want hot coffee. Hot coffee. Do you need to say that? Cause it'll immediately come out. And then, um, you're inserting the, uh, the sterile tube and basically you're rolling from your left side onto your back. You're trying to hold it for 12 to 15 minutes. And so this started, well, this has been around for hundreds of years, forever. And then they started to get popularized with anti-cancer based treatments. And the reason is, is they're just trying to work on detoxification happening at a greater degree. So how it really happens though, is that it's cycling through your liver, meaning the, the caffeine itself and the polyphenols from the coffee. So you have a They bypass the digestive system. I'm assuming that's why you're doing it this way. So your colon is attached to the liver. And so typically the bile would be able to drop down to the small intestine and the liver itself through the hepatic portal vein and the hepatic portal arteries, which bring blood flow to the liver itself. So what we have is the coffee is being uptaken to the liver. The looter liver, then there's an enzyme glutathione S-transferase is being increased, more glutathione is being produced by the liver. That's the master antioxidant of phase two detoxification, which is the most important to change fat soluble toxins to water soluble toxins. Then after 12 to 15 minutes of holding the enema, a lot of the bile and a lot of the toxins held in the liver will immediately move to the colon and it'll be removed in a bowel movement. So it's just a faster way to remove. Do you absorb the caffeine that way then? Are you getting like a big old caffeine spike? Many people are sensitive. So we say, try to do it before the noon hour. But it's got to be regular coffee, not Folgers. Has to. Folgers may work, but probably not the best. Yeah, the chock full of nuts. We'll commit to the audience that we'll have Doug do this. And then the best way to do it, I talk about this in my book as well. If you're willing to go all in, you do some rebounding or dry brushing first. You get in the sauna and then you can do some dry brushing in the sauna if you want, and then you do the coffee enema. So basically you're mobilizing a lot of these toxins with an infrared sauna and the dry brushing or rebounding, and then you do the coffee enema. So they've been using this at Gerson Institute, many places for many years. I like how you do it at the end because you get them committed first. You don't start with the enema. You start with the sauna. Okay, this is going good. It's going good. All right, ready for the last. That escalated fast. So I'm not saying you need to do a coffee enema, but if you're looking to get rid of a lot of these symptoms faster, it does work. No, that's great. I've always, our buddy, Ben Greenfield has done it many times. And I think that we've joked about it. I've always been curious. Yeah. We've always been curious to like, okay, what is really going on here for you? Don't drink that coffee. I've actually, I've talked with Ben on his show about coffee. Hey, sorry to interrupt. Look, we have a free guide. It's the benefits of eating whole foods. This gives you a shopping list. What foods are best for proteins, fats, carbohydrates. There's recipe samples. It's all based on real whole natural foods and it's a free guide. It's totally free. You can get it if you go to wholefoodsguide.com or by clicking on the link in the description below. So I've never heard of the gut lymph connection before. Is this something that is being explored recently in functional medicine or is it like, I've never heard it before. Almost, almost never. No one talks about the lymphatic system in general and just really how important it is for the immune system. So we talk about boosting our immune system. We talk about how, oh, 80% of the immune system is inside of your gut. But really it's just that your, the Peyer's patches, the mesenchyme all around the intestines are filled with what's going to be able to produce antibodies. And so the secretory IgA and these immunoglobulins, we're going to be talking a little bit today with the food test of the IgG, all of those sit right there and they wait for pathogens, toxins, et cetera, to come in. And when they do, their job is to basically corral them through this fluid that looks like veins that move through the body and it moves through nodes. And the lymph nodes are, they're all over the body, but big patches behind the knees, in the groin of the armpits, around the neck, your tonsils, adenoids. Those are, that's why they get sick, right? Because they're a bunch of, there's a lot of cleaning process that goes on. Yeah, absolutely. So if you get swollen lymph nodes, that's a real serious infection or virus. A lot of people will get a cut on their foot. They get a swollen lymph node in their groin. It's like, that's important to look at that. Okay. Do I have an infected cut anywhere on that leg below that? Because you want it. That's, that's a serious sign that you need to have that taken. Yeah. I had a client once who had a swollen lymph node, but it was, there was a spot of acne that was slightly infected that was causing the, the inflammation. Yeah. Cause it's the, it's the closest. Did you know that? Or did you find that out later? I did not know it at the moment. I used to train a lot of doctors. And so I had a client with that. My next client was coming, it was a doctor. I'm like, Hey, do you mind if I ask you a question? You know, free, whatever. And they explained, Oh, it might be because you have this, you know, right here. And sure enough, that's what it was. Yeah. In the back of the neck, I've seen that too with jewelry. People wearing nickel plated or different types of jewelry and actually having a reaction because that can be absorbed through the dermal layer of the skin. Interesting. Very interesting. So it's all right. Well, the, so the lymphatic system itself, if you get this right, it's going to improve not just your overall immune system, but the quality and clarity of your skin and your energy, because if, as I said before, if that lymphatic system is slow and sludge-like and you're not getting it to move, you're going to feel tired, you're going to feel swollen and puffy and retaining a lot of water retention. For people working at a desk job, I would assume then it's very important for many reasons, but for this one as well, for them to get up and flex their legs a little bit and their upper body just to allow, because this doesn't, this is not connected to your heart, right? So your heart doesn't pump this fluid through it's movement and contract muscle contractions and whatnot. Okay. Yeah. A hundred percent. And if you, if you can't get up from your desk, ideally you're getting up from your desk once an hour, at least to stand. Yeah. No, that's, that's the biggest thing. Just try to stand, walk around, use the bathroom, get water, whatever you need to do. But if you can't, as you were talking about before, plantar dorsiflexion with your ankle. So literally just pump your calves and that's going to move the blood flow back up, not just for your lymphatic system, but for your blood pressure. I mean, if you start to let blood just pull in your legs, it's one of the worst things that you can do for overall the peripheral artery, which is down there, uh, for, you know, uh, stenosis of that. And it's really important because it's not just the artery in our neck or the arteries and around our heart. It's the one down on the calf as well. Yeah. So that's a much overlooked one. And then you probably can't do this in your office, but, um, putting your legs up a wall. So you put your hips against the wall, legs up the wall, kind of stretches your hamstrings a little bit. Let's the blood flow down. It's really relaxing. Nice for a lot of people. What are those tables? Where you hang up those too. There you go. You must like those then. I do for a lot of people. Not if you have high blood pressure, if you're pregnant, uh, yes, but for the most part, it takes a lot of the pressure off your spine. So it's interesting, but about a year and a half ago, I started to get some neck pain, like some cracking in my neck and I'm like, all right, well, let's go figure out what this is. And so I did all the exercises to help. You know, I, I, I always do a yearly full body MRI, take a look at it. Okay. Yeah. There's a little something going on there and it's from sitting. I can't get rid of it with all the postural base work, the rhomboid work, like everything, like opening up muscles, levator scapula, you name it. Does not matter. It is the compression for me being seated. And so that is when I, I always had a standing desk. I've had a standing desk for like five or six years. I just said the first half of the day, I don't sit down and I have a anti fatigue mat under the feet, which helps a lot. And then I'm just at my desk working and it makes a tremendous difference. Wow. Yeah. Like literally then the neck pain, the popping is all gone. Awesome. And then do my workout like four or five hours after that. And I can do all those prehab exercises to warm up. So I don't know how we got on that topic or how I got on that topic, but yeah, I know it helps. Uh, it helps tremendously. Awesome. All right. Let's look at our, uh, our tests. I can't wait to see what's, uh, what's going on. I'm the guy historically with all the gut health issues, although it's been a lot better. You've been really good though. So it'd be interesting to see you saying that before you had previous gut based issues. You had done some, I still, I mean, compared to the typical person with good gut health, it would still be, I'd still be, you know, for lack of a term sensitive, but a lot better than I struggle with it for years. I mean, for the first, probably eight years of the podcast. Yeah. Mine really ramped up after hanging out with him. So I'm pretty sure that's why you caught his. So what foods do you feel? We'll go over yours first cell, but what foods do you feel you're most sensitive historically? Uh, uh, dairy first gluten egg whites, uh, can be on or off. Um, right now I seem to be okay with egg whites, but in the past they were bad. Peanuts were bad in the past, but they seem to be okay again. And I think, I think that's pretty much it. Legumes sometimes can cause issues also, uh, but maybe not so much these days. And what type of symptoms do you get? Gluten, uh, is latent. So gluten, if I eat gluten, I'll notice a swelling, a little bit of swelling, inflammation, and some gut issues that'll pop up about a day or two later. Dairy is almost that night. Like I'm just stiff. I just feel stiff and I avoid gluten. I'm excuse me. Dairy, uh, almost a hundred percent, a hundred percent. I just stay away from it. Uh, for the most part, the other ones I don't avoid, uh, there was a period of time when I had to stay away from eggs, but I don't anymore. And they don't seem to cause any issues. Do you have eggs daily? Uh, previous, maybe a year ago, you know, not as much, but there was a P there, but I'll go through stints where I'll have them every single day. Okay. And a lot. Yeah. And obviously they can be a great food. B vitamins actually increased. Don't mean all those. And I mean, if I eat eggs, it's like eight. I don't, I don't just eat too. Yeah. So you had a, both the same sensitivities as you had when we ran this about two years ago. Okay. So, and when you look at, there's a lot, so you're not able to give a diagnosis of this person has leaky gut or increased intestinal permeability, but when you see more than call it eight to 12 foods, it's a high likelihood. And so you, what happens then is that when you have more increased intestinal permeability, this is another reason why people don't love the test because they're like, well, it just shows the foods that you're eating. But as we're about to see here today, we've got four people, two of them are high, two of them are just normal, low, and you're all eating, you know, at least 30, 40 different foods a week. So if that was true, all these foods would show up. But you know, what I will say is that historically you have shown up for all types of dairy and you still do. Some people, their immune system, innate, like it's going to go after dairy. They just don't do well with it. It's still, cow's milk is still the number one sensitivity. But what's interesting on yours is you're really sensitive to all types of dairy. Including goat milk, dairy, all of it. But a lot of people can get away with goat for cheap because the protein molecules are so much smaller. Like it's just, it's much easier to absorb. They're less inflammatory. So the categories, because you're higher on 37 foods. So the categories are some nuts, some legumes, which I can go over. But mainly it is dairy, eggs, almonds, peanuts. That are your biggest ones. And it's egg whites, not the yolks. Now, I will say that your high reactivity was cut in half. So it's better now from what it was two years ago. So previously you had about 18 high foods, which is quite high. Now you have nine. So that is better over the last two years. What I would recommend is that, you know, you do a true gut healing based protocol, which you don't have to eliminate a lot of the foods. What I would say is if you're eating more than every three to four hours, if you can, you'll still have the same macros, but you'll move those a little bit further apart, just to give your digestion time. If you're not doing 12 to 14 hours of digestive rest, call it from seven at night to seven in the morning, six at night, six in the morning, give yourself a little bit of rest. And I would use, we have a product called Healthy Gut Support, but people can find any product they want, which is L-glutamine, N-acetylglucosamine, aloe vera, zinc carnosine is a big one. And then marshmallow root just for the inflammation. Yeah. Isn't that for the mucosa lining as well? That's right. So I would use that for 12 weeks. So if you're decreasing sensitivities of those foods, which sounds like you're already doing a lot of that, and then you're helping to rebuild that mucosa. And if I didn't mention glutamine, glutamine, zinc carnosine, the two biggest ones, you're going to use five to 10 grams of that a day. So one or two servings, pop it in any shape. Doesn't really matter. It mixes instantly. That's going to be what your body needs to heal that. But in terms of overall inflammation, it'll go down dramatically. And in between those two tests, I got treated for a parasite. So I think that might have been playing a big role. I would say so. Yes. What parasite did you have? Do you remember? Tapeworm. Wow. Okay. Yeah. So even after you go through a parasite-based protocol, you want to do the same healing mucosa of that, because it is strong. Parasite protocols should be done by most people, honestly, but they are quite strong. Yeah. How common would you say, a lot more common than people think? Like we were talking about H. pylori, it's about the same. It's about a third worldwide when you look at that, but you're looking at other developing countries without clean water. And so it's much more common to get Giardia and other parasites like that. But parasites are a chronic immune stimulant, which is why they're so bad for you. Sometimes, again, with a parasite, people that may have no symptoms at all. Oh yeah. Then maybe they'll have teeth grinding, maybe they'll have night sweats, maybe they'll have loose stool, maybe. But oftentimes it's nothing except the end of the end with an autoimmune issue because they're chronically immunosimulated. Do you have a parasite? I just pointed because you said teeth grinding and I was like, I'm on, I just ordered one to go through just because I, people just recently told me that that was an association there. It can be. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Plus the itchy butt, right? That's usually pinworms, but it could be, it could be any parasite. Yeah, it's actually, it's a big, it's a big sign of kids. Like parents should know that. Oh, pinworms are super common in kids. And it's, and it's, you know, so if you see your kid kind of itching their butt, yeah, then you should say, okay, they might have pinworms. We should do a passport protocol and get that done. All right. So obviously you're going to get all these results. The nice thing is their category is high, moderate and low. Okay. As we talked about before, the low might just be cut down to one once or twice a week. The moderate should be a 12 week elimination. The high is a six month and I'll tell you this. So again, we work with a great third party lab testing, amazing scientists. We had a huge call. It was 12 people on the call. And again, I won't make this too long cause I know it's like me and like three other people that might be interested. But we geek out over all this and it is, they're finding that it's legitimately six months to really have those IgG immunoglobulins stop having the memory of these foods and then some don't. So this is an important one that if you really want to get rid of a food sensitivity, earn the side of six months if you can. Yeah. Well, my dairy one just stuck around and I never have it, but it's just there. Some people continually have that. For me, the ones that stick around, two random ones, kidney beans and almonds. So I'll have like three or four. Everybody has like two, three food sensitivities normally. Like it's just normal. Um, I don't eat almonds and I've never eaten kidney beans cause I don't even like kidney beans and they just always show up. So it's a reactivity to get, not to the kidney bean itself, but the amino acid. Yeah. The protein. Exactly. All right. Justin's up next. Let's take a look at yours. So, um, now the nice thing is you went from 45 reactions two years ago to 34. So there is a big 45. Holy ----. I was, you guys don't remember that. I remember just him. Oh no. I remember. Yeah. I went over it and, and you were eating quite a bit of dairy and cheese before that. I was a wheel a day. You were saying in a gallon, yeah. Um, but so also your high reactivity went from, let's do the math here. 18. Yeah. 18 down to 15. So improvement there. You still be improving. Yeah. So there's definitely improvement now. We're trying. You guys tell me guy, bro, what's going on over there? So he doesn't say anything. That's why they are all dairy, all dairy and gluten. Um, all dairy, all basically all, you won't let it go. That's why, bro. I'm sorry. You won't let it go. So like he said, it's latent. So for me, like with dairy, it's weird. Cause I don't feel it till like two days or so, but I do get it. So I play that game of like, ah, well, you know, just keep it going. I'm not going to feel it right now. Gluten. I feel, I feel immediately with gluten. What do you feel when you, when you have gluten immediately? It's usually just like heartburn, like almost like instantaneously. Yeah. Okay. And then you had a random one. So I'll always call it a random one. That's high celery. So I don't even know if you eat celery, but celery did show those fat jokes. So, so nothing, there's nothing. No nutrients. Follow the celery diet. Now it goes out. There's that one. That's an easy one. It was casein and gliadin. Gliadin is the main protein in wheat. So it's a, it's a big one to look at there too. And then besides that, it's just yogurt. It's mozzarella. It's cheddar, cow's milk, sheep's way. Every cheese, bro. Every cheese dog, every cheese, bro. And I, I'm just the, uh, I'm just the messenger that's in my lab. I don't have anything to do with it, but you know, I would, if you can do a 21 day elimination, now you fill that obviously with the food that you're not sensitive to, it is interesting to see. Sometimes people will feel more brain clarity, like just more energy in general. They feel lighter. They just have more energy. I would try it for 21 days. He went off dairy after the last one and he was intolerable. We could not handle him. He was so angry. So there's, there's another connection there. And that's just the immune system. I think it's a psychological, psychologically, the food is some connection to it being like some kind of, uh, uh, like they said, like a heroin molecule or something, but there's some drug effect to like eating cheese. And I was like, there is actually with casein and there's one with the gluten as well. Yeah. In the brain themselves, they can have addictive properties. That's probably what it is. I'm like detoxing or something and it may, it may take just like a regular addict denial too. Wow. I didn't, I didn't know you were being serious. Like that's, that's, yeah, that's interesting. So there was a real, yeah. Yeah. I wish it's not coming to me right off the top of my head. That's why he, that's why he went back. He originally said like, I'd rather be messed up gut than a, I was, and we agreed just snapping on everybody. Like everybody was in my cheese. Oh yeah. I brought him some cheese. Have this. So if it is a food that you can't really live without, you maybe even look at though, like every other day, you might, you might look at that and then, but the cheese substitutes though, I have to say they're pretty terrible. They're horrible. Yeah. Oh, it's really not when you, when you, uh, how long did you mess with the GLP one? Did you do that for a while? I did do that. Yeah. Did that tamp that down at all? No. Um, oh man. Like I just, I, I didn't have a good reaction. He went full dose. That's why. And then that was it. And then you didn't mess with it again after that? No. And then I did, uh, I did a micro and it just, yeah, honestly, it didn't agree with me. Interesting. Yeah. If I had to do all of it, just a hypothesis, I bet GLP ones increase gut permeability and food sensitivities. Now you're eating less, but it is causing a gastroparesis. Like it's causing a slowing of the digestive system. And if bacteria begins to build, that can cause an immune reaction that can be interesting. Interesting. So I don't know that. I mean, they haven't been really a lot around a lot. Like we don't know. Only because I just, I couldn't explain it. I was like, I didn't, and I was hoping for some kind of, if it was an autoimmune thing, like, you know, if that was going to help, but it didn't. Well, just watch that this does for the both of you guys, that it does not turn into start to feel like joint pain or other skin rash based issues, which could be autoimmune in nature. So it's just something to keep an eye on. I know you guys are always on the cutting edge, but have you tried BP 157? Not injectable, but oral for the gut. And have you felt any improvement from that? Yes. I was starting to take too high of a dose. Cause that's what I do with peptides. But when I was taking the normal dose. How many milligrams did you take? Well, I'm supposed to take 500. Yes. So you're doubling that. Well, we'll just keep it off. So for me, I learned from everyone that I work with, I like to know like, okay, I'll tell you all fair. I don't want no listeners to copy me. Yeah, I can agree with that as well. So yeah, 500 really should be your max dosage if you're taking it orally and they make some, um, but I haven't had, no, I haven't even had enough anecdotal data. It hasn't been around long enough that there's great science-based data on it. Now, again, I'm saying that it's most likely a very safe one to try. And that's anecdotally, people do say that they can feel better. Uh, the injectable can be great for muscle tissue repair along with, uh, what is it? Um, is it TB 500? TA 500? Thymus and beta or TB 500. So it's, uh, it's basically a partner with it. One's more for muscle, uh, tendon ligament, but that one has to be injectable. And then where BP 157 for the gut should be oral for that. So anyway, that was, um, that was interesting. All right. So yeah, both you guys definitely recommend the gut healing protocol. I don't know that a probiotic would be best for you right now. If you already have a lot of bacteria in the gut, you might feel more bloated or you might feel better. We use one called clean gut probiotic, which helps to push out some of the yeast. It's transient, which means it's unique that it only hangs around for two weeks and then it moves on itself. Um, if you started, I would start at a lower dose, one capsule instead of two, but I would definitely work on the gut repair and then as much elimination as you can. Yeah. Um, and since we did look at those hormone tests before in your cortisol levels were lower, that's a good sign too, because high levels of cortisol will increase gut permeability. And so that's not great. Not only for it lowers certain white blood cells, but if it increases gut permeability, it's going to throw off the immune system there around the gut lymphatic system. This episode's brought to you by eight sleep, the most advanced sleep system you'll find anywhere. Get the best night of sleep you'll ever get because eight sleep is the best. Go check them out. Go to eight sleep.com forward slash mind pump. Use the code mind pump. Get $350 off your pod five ultra purchase back to the show. All right. Adam is up next. Good for you, Doug. Adam went from too high to zero. So cow's milk and yogurt were high casein, which is the main protein. About 80% of the protein in dairy was moderate. You now have no high, no moderate, which is great to see. And the casein and cow's milk are now low reactivity. And previously you had egg white and whey. They're still low. And you have yogurt on there too. Oh, five total. Yeah. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have thought that. So, and yogurt's a little bit of a strange one. We've got the fermentability of that, which really more affects the carbohydrates than anything else. Yeah. But we still look at it on a, um, on a reactivity scale. Okay. Yeah. So all low, you know, you could do a six week elimination and then it's just, it's cow's milk dairy only goat and whey would be okay. Yeah. And have you ever tried a goat whey protein? I haven't. Um, I do notice, and I've told these guys before, like I even feel okay, uh, with minimal dairy. But as soon as I, if I had like two servings of dairy in a day, I noticed that. So it seems like if I, or yeah, if, or if I even have it Kate, every other couple of days, it seems to be fine. It's if I start to compound days back to back or two times a day, then I start to notice things like that. But yeah, I've, I've switched a lot of, like, I use more of the bone broth protein powder nowadays. Uh, rarely ever do I use whey anymore. Um, you know, occasionally very, very rare though, so which is probably why you, why you notice that. So I think this is a good case that if you eliminate it long enough, these sensitivities can go away. Okay. And it, uh, yogurts, all yogurts. So that'd be like Greek yogurt or anything like that would fall in that category. This, when they look at yogurt, they look at cows based yogurt. You could look at a goat milk yogurt, a sheep yogurt, which would be totally fine. Okay. They're typically lower in protein, but goat, um, goat milk itself is higher in minerals, many minerals, especially potassium than cow's milk. But cow's milk is more anabolic. Yeah. So it is better at building muscle. I don't need more. Do you see a difference between the, cause I know that the dairy, the dairy particles of protein is smaller in goat, but what about the A2 proteins in dairy? Cause I see these advertised all the time. It's easier to digest. Yeah. There seems to be less reactivity in terms of an inflammatory component, but I haven't seen it change the results of a, if you're sensitive to this amino acid profile, you're sensitive to it. But it is, it's, I think it's like looking at, um, organic strawberries versus regular strawberries. So people will react to conventional strawberries because they are the number one sprayed food basically out there. And so you're reacting to the strawberry or you're reacting to the hybridization and the spray that's all over. And then with A2, like different types of Jersey cows or cows in general, are you reacting to the inflammatory nature of this cow and all that they're fed? Cause you know, these A2 cows, they're not feeding them like the same way. Do you know? So I look at it in a little bit different way. I think you're looking at a much cleaner and healthier original variety than you are a hybridized or heavily sprayed one. Okay. And so Adam, we went over that, which is great. There's no, no, again, no real changes there. These are, and when they're low, that just means every once in a while foods or maybe once a week. So how many were a moderate that you would say, maybe try get rid of for six weeks? How many? You had no moderate, no high. Oh, no, no, no. So just, yeah. Before you had three high and moderate. Now you have none. So really, I mean, this is, it's as good as it gets because everybody always has like one or two. So it's just a cat. You're at a category, right? So you're, if you look at it, casein, yogurt, cow's milk whey, that's just dairy. Yeah. Like, so it's only one category and then egg whites is the second. Yeah. And so it's not all foods. It's, you could have sheep or goat's bake based cheese every once in a while. Now, what would you attribute it getting so much better in that time? Now I did during that time, this, the two tests is when I went through that GLP one thing and I reduced calories, like big time and very, very minimal food. I was eating, I was eating, I was probably not having a lot of dairy at all. Is that just why I probably gave my gut a break for that period of time? And then would that, what would cause it? It's not like I went in and did a protocol to solve that during that time. What's most likely what happened? So you didn't have high numbers to begin with. You were at eight total, which is kind of like our baseline is like after 10 to 12, eight, eight. It's like that very top. So we wouldn't say there might be massive gut permeability in the first place, but the IgG cells, the immunoglobulins needed time not to see those foods. So if you did a six month elimination, their previous memory and reactivity to that as an antigen would have gone down or gone away. Okay. It doesn't happen to everybody, but we do see it a lot with eggs. So meaning some people are high in eggs after a six month elimination, they come way down and they can start having those a couple of times a week. So overall, yeah, like very, very good. And then Doug, good for you. Doug was, uh, Doug was our champion. Wow. And, um, finally we're looking at, we're looking at no high before. And you had one moderate, which was rye, a form of essentially wheat based bread. And then low before was, uh, abalone and miso. So a fish and then miso, which, which is strange. I rarely eat those. But remember, like, this is just again, looking at like, I've had kidney beans before I don't eat kidney beans. So it's that reactivity, that protein beta lactoglobulin, which is, you know, it's high, but we see that sometimes this is more reactivity to like the immunity of dairy itself, which is, which is an interesting one. So I wouldn't get overly concerned about that in any way, shape or form, just like we don't get overly concerned when someone comes high for bromelain. Bromelain is an enzyme, uh, that your body may or may not react to. It's literally something that breaks down. It's like a proteolytic enzyme that starts to break down fiber and other things in your body. That's very, very helpful. Um, you had, so you had no moderate this time. So rye is gone. It's off the list. No more abalone, if that's even how you pronounce it. Uh, or me. So low, uh, way and octopus are on the low side now. Okay. Big octopus guy. Yeah. Lots of octopus. Sometimes people eat octopus as a little appetizer. I like Mediterranean octopus, grilled octopus. Uh, but those are low. So again, if you had them once a week or so, it wouldn't be a big deal. If you're having way right now, it might be worth it for six weeks or maybe 10 weeks, 12 weeks maximum to eliminate that. Go with a different type of way. When they say way in this, they're talking about cow's milk. So you can try a goat's way. There's not a lot of sheep's way out there right now, or just a different protein powder. Yeah. Interestingly, I started to eat a protein bar almost every day I'm here that has way in it. So that's probably what's it could be. But again, like, so if we want to go back to that, because I think it's important, let's say that, um, all you guys have a broccoli every day or green beans every day, or you have a salmon every day. Those aren't coming up on the test. So it's not always what you're eating. However, if your body is sensitive to that thing and you start to eat it, it will then show up. So it does make sense. But if your body's not sensitive to it, those immunoglobulins haven't been primed to that amino acid sequence for the protein, it will never show up. Question, what's the least reactive food typically that you see? In other words, what's the food that most people have no issues with most commonly? Red meat? I do not see a lot of red meats or lamb would probably be one of the biggest ones. I do see some fish. Fish can actually be an allergy. Yes. Fish are commonly an allergy. But if you are not allergic to it, I almost never see it show up as a sensitivity. Rice and then most vegetables, most fruit. They're not going to show up now. You could say, well, they're lower in protein, but sure. But like lambs high in protein. Yeah. So it's, it's everything has protein in it. It's not that it doesn't. Those are just less reactive. I'll tell you across the board. Um, I, I believe every single person should run this food sensitivity test. They should do it once a year. But if you're not able to get eliminate the dairy, gluten and the eggs just for 21 days, do you feel better or not feel better? Yeah. And if you feel better, one of those three is a culprit. Add one back in. See what happens. Yeah. Wow. That's awesome. I, you know, I, I, I was first introduced to these tests, uh, probably. 16 or 17 years ago. And it wasn't, I wasn't the one administering them. Uh, I was just a trainer. I just did fitness. Uh, but I had someone in my studio that would administer them and then we would share clients. So they would train with me and then she would do these food sensitivity tests. And at the time I had no experience with them whatsoever. So I was just like, let's see what happens. And for people listening, um, many of them felt better. Obviously some people thought they were asymptomatic when they got the test, but they, because they trusted us, they cut them out, they got better results with me. So the, the, I saw better strength gains, better gains in endurance, better mobility when they were following this protocol, which to me, and it happened, I remember the first few times it happened and said, this is a fluke, but it kept happening and it was remarkable. And again, I, that wasn't what I did. So that's a great point. A hundred percent. Great point. And when I first learned about these, I was on my, my healing based protocol myself, but when personal trainers, massage therapists, estheticians, chiropractors add this into their practice, what they're helping their clients do are find the foods that are creating inflammation. That's right. Plain and simple. Yeah. And when you decrease the inflammation, your clients sleep better. They feel better. They have clearer skin. They lose more body fat, which is really not body fat. It's just inflammatory water weight that they're holding and you get better results too. So the nice thing is just like you said, you partner with an integrative health practitioner that would run these labs, your client gets the results, but they're still your client. That's the great thing, right? So you just, you're, I always look at the personal trainer or esthetician. Like if your client comes in every week and they have skin issues, doing more topically is not the answer. You've got to work internally. But if you become the hub, right. And then all spokes come off of you. That's right. Your client looks to you as the practitioner, the guru. That's exactly what I did. It made me very, very valuable to have those. I even worked with a therapist who obviously therapy, talk therapy, and she would refer for exercise and she would refer for food sensitivity tests and would help, and she noticed that it helped with their depression, anxiety, and all those other issues. With kids, it's unbelievable. Yeah. So when you eliminate these foods from kids' diets, they can focus better, pay attention better at school, less runny noses. Remember, kids' sinuses are so much smaller, right? And so it's like a little congestion for them is blocks their whole nose up. Right. And so they feel terrible. They have trouble focusing. They get earaches all the time. You do a food sensitivity test. You find out where they're sensitive to. Those go down. It makes a world of difference. And you see results in three weeks. How, how is somebody able to give these tests that you guys offer courses, right? Where someone can follow your course and then they're able to administer these tests and read the, read the, you know, the results with the, and do it themselves. Correct. Integrativehealthpractitioner.org is what I set up about six years ago. Now, half of our people there are personal trainers, chiros, massage therapist, esthetician, dietitians, you name it. And half of the people have no previous health fitness-based background, but we teach everybody to take control of their health. Our motto is again, like heal yourself, heal others, but don't guess test, right? So we teach people how to run these labs so they can use them with their own family, they can create a practice as well, or personal trainer, someone they can add it on to their practice. So that's integrativehealthpractitioner.org. And if you don't want to learn how to run these yourself, we offer them over at Equal Life or just the, the, for this site or this lab test, it's stevencabrall.com slash food test. And your audience, obviously we always give a big discount. I was going to say, are we hooking them up? Yeah, we're at least a hundred dollars off this lab. Wow. Nice. I always think about every time you come in here, I always think about, God, if I had you when I was a personal trainer, I would have been, I was so blessed because I had somebody in my studio that did these tests. That was so far. I mean, this was back when nobody knew what they were and I was lucky to have her because I learned about these and saw them firsthand. It was someone I could refer to. But I mean, if I was able to do this, if you're a trainer now and you're not doing this, you're like, if you do do this, I'll tell you this, but you are going to separate, you separate yourself from you need to now, you really do because you're also able to do this virtually and add other components to so you're not locked into just the gym setting. But, but truthfully, like we always say to our IHPs, be the practitioner you never had. And like, I try to live that because I mean, had I known about all of this earlier, I mean, we all, we can all say that, but you know, we're all on our own healing journey. And I believe I was sick for 10 years for a reason, because if I figured it out within six months, I would have just gone a different path. Yeah, I wouldn't have been as passionate about it. So I wouldn't have gone down the rabbit hole of reading, you know, thousands of books and studying all over the world and all that good stuff. So I'm not upset that it happened to me, but other people, it's not their path. Like, let's get them well. And you know, a couple of weeks ago, your team and your course is the most recommended that we do for our coaches and our trainers. So it's a big deal. So 50% off or no a hundred dollars off at least a hundred dollars off. It's at steamball.com slash food test. I don't handle the business side. I handle the teaching side and the practitioner side, but always a pleasure. And I really appreciate you guys having me on. Thank you. All right. I know you liked that episode. If you did check this one out. One of the keys to fat loss is protein. It's true. If you're not going to get a high protein diet, you're not going to burn as much body fat as you can. So today's episode, we're going to talk about the smartest ways to use protein for fat burn and to build muscle. You got to watch this. I wish I understood this earlier in my career. I think it was probably almost 10 years in when I started to just focus on this with clients. I knew it was important, but I don't know how important. Yeah, I also did. I knew it was important, but I also didn't.