המרכז הירושלמי לענייני חוץ וביטחון (JCFA) קיים בשבוע שעבר אירוע יוצא דופן במלון קרלטון בתל אביב.
באירוע השתתף, מסעב חסן יוסף, בנו של בכיר לשעבר בחמאס, ומועמד לפרס נובל לשלום, שערק משורות החמאס והפך לאחד הקולות המובילים בעולם בחשיפת האידיאולוגיה הרצחנית של הארגון.
כמו כן נטל חלק באירוע לואיס הר, שנחטף ב-7 באוקטובר מקיבוץ ניר יצחק וחולץ במבצע נועז של צה"ל ברפיח.
השיחה יוצאת הדופן בחנה: את האידיאולוגיה מאחורי טבח ה-7 באוקטובר ומלחמת החטיפות של חמאס, כיצד חמאס מקיים את מסע הלחימה שלו נגד ישראל בזירות הצבאיות, הדיפלומטיות והתקשורתיות, את תפקיד המשטר האיראני בהזנת החמאס, ואת השאלה מדוע התמודדות ישירה עם השורשים האידיאולוגיים של חמאס היא המפתח להבסתו של הארגון.
בין היתר מסעב אומר: "מה שהייתי רוצה לעמי, הערבים, הייתי רוצה שיבנו גשרים עם ישראל. שכחו מגבולות פוליטיים. אם זה היה תלוי בי, אני מפקיד בידי ישראל את הביטחון, אני מפקיד בידי ישראל את הכלכלה, אני אתן לישראל להוביל. והייתי לומד מישראל, הייתי לומד מהעם היהודי איך באמת לשגשג, איך לפרוח".
Yes, there is an alternative and this is what I'm talking about. Things that I cannot reveal
completely but an Arab federation makes a lot more sense to me. What do we want to do with
the political borders and a sovereign state and army and this is not beneficial to the people.
Actually, my attempt is to, if possible, to burn the political borders eventually.
We are in 21st century and it looks like we're going backwards. What do I want to do with another
Arab state? Arabs had the opportunity back in 1948 for those who understand the history.
Then they rejected coexistence. They rejected Israel's right to exist. They have been in denial
and after 77 years of warring, reality on the ground changed. Reality on the ground
changed since I was born and I told you my personal experience as a child. We did not have
this problem. Nobody thought of building any walls or any fences. So now the reality on the ground is
different. We have hundreds of thousands of Israeli citizens who are in the West Bank.
From my perspective, the Jewish depth is in the West Bank. It's in Jerusalem. It's where the
temple, the ruins of the Jewish kingdoms, all of us can witness. And the Arabs rejected. Israel
gave them the opportunity. Okay, part of the land, establish your state, but instead they invaded.
Not only one war, seven major wars. After losing multiple times, why the world is blaming Israel
for controlling the West Bank? It was the outcome of the Arab defeat, the outcome of the Arab
aggression that did not want to reconcile. So with that said, I'm very realistic. Why do I want to
dismantle and displace hundreds of thousands of people who were born now in Judea and Samaria?
And I think that this is a solution, especially after seeing the Israeli government under Ariel
Sharon, displacing all the Israeli citizens from Gaza, giving it to Mahmoud Abbas or giving it to
Yasser Arafat, which eventually led to control by Hamas. This is a very dangerous risk. It's a very,
very big price. And the outcome is going to be about the same. What I would like for my people,
the Arabians, I would like for them to build bridges with Israel. Forget about political
borders. If it was up to me, I give Israel the security. I give Israel the economy. I let Israel
lead. And I would learn from Israel. I would learn from the Jewish people how to actually thrive,
how to prosper. I don't have a problem with that. I don't know why the Arabs feel ashamed
of building bridges with their cousins, especially us today. We were born in this land.
It's our birthright to be here. And I am not canceling the birthright of the Arabs to actually
live and thrive and prosper. So how can we do that? I prefer to my people economy,
education, infrastructure, cooperation with Israel, and to begin building bridges as soon as possible.
This is not going to lead to guarantee prosperity, especially with this mentality
that is going after Israel on a global campaign to delegitimize Israel,
while what so-called Palestinians don't have legitimacy. It's a colonial entity pretending
around the world that they are the indigenous of the land fighting against colonizers.
Well, your very identity is a colonial identity. At least when they say Israel, we know Israel is
3,000 years old and the Palestinian movement is less than 70 years old. So this hypocrisy,
this attack on Israel, trying to delegitimize Israel, I don't understand how this is going
to lead to peace. I don't want political borders. I want to give Israel the security.
And I would like from the rest of the world to give our people economy. And this is that
what will guarantee creating a new generation and cut the way on all those opportunists who
use the name Palestine as a device to harm Arabs and Jews. It's as simple as that. And I think it
is possible. And by the name of existence, we are going to manifest whether the world likes it or
not, because it's our problem. And we don't take orders from any external entity. I will not allow
the next generation to continue in this vicious cycle for eternity. Enough is enough. I don't
want Palestine. I don't care about Palestine. Palestine is not going to guarantee the security
and the future of children. But honest leadership that is concerned of
building a nation and a new generation, this is what we need at the time being.