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This is a little bit more comfortable. Trump, what's harder, peace in the Middle East or ending a government shutdown? Well, I think the hardest is this. This has been going on for 3,000 years. The shutdown has only been for 10 days. So I think the shutdown, it's gotten to be almost customary, but we're taking care of it. We've got the military paid in full, and we're doing a lot of things. We're ending some programs that we don't want. They happen to be Democrat-sponsored programs, but we're ending some programs that we never wanted, and we're probably not going to allow them to come back. I think they made a mistake. I think they made a big mistake. And in terms of the politics of this historic peace deal that we're on the way to go sign right now, you would think it's good for everybody. But at a rally this weekend, they were cheering for you, and they were booing Netanyahu. What's up with that? I don't know, but we're going to make everybody happy. The one thing I can tell you is everybody is happy, whether it's Jewish or Muslim or the Arab countries. Every country is dancing in the streets, and it's a point in time I don't think you'd ever see it again. They've never seen it for 3,000 years. If you like one group, you don't like the other group. And if you like the other group, you don't like the first group. And this is the first time they've ever seen where everybody is unified. Because as you know, we're going to Egypt after Israel, and we're going to meet all of the leaders of the very powerful and big countries and very rich countries and others. And they're all into this deal. Everybody's into it. It's never happened before. So I would say this is a lot tougher, but we'll see how it all works out. Mr. President, Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, has not gone so far as to say the war is over. In your view, is the war between Israel and Hamas over? War is over. The war is over, okay? Do you understand that? Mr. President, is the ceasefire going to hold? Are you confident the ceasefire will hold? Say it. Are you confident that the ceasefire is going to hold? I think so. I think it's going to hold. I think people are — a lot of reasons why it's going to hold. But I think people are tired of it. It's been — it's been centuries, okay? Not just recent. It's been centuries. I think people are tired of it. Yeah, the ceasefire is going to hold, and we're going to hold. Mr. President, what will Gaza look like a year from now? The international stabilization force that's part of the — It's going to be a good, strong force. I don't think it's going to have a big impact because I don't think — I think barely we're going to have to use it. I think people are going to behave. Everybody knows their place. It's going to be great for everybody. It's going to be great for the surrounding countries — Arab, Muslim, all of them. It's going to be great for Israel. Everybody is happy. And I think it's going to stay that way. Peter. And if this peace — if the ceasefire does hold, how long until we get to the part of the 20-point peace plan where developers can go in and make Gaza the Riviera of the Middle East? Well, I don't know about the Riviera for a while because you take a look at what you have. You have to get people taken care of first. But it's going to start really essentially immediately. I mean, they're going to have to start by removing a lot of the structures that you see that are down to the ground. I mean, it's a very — it's blasted. This is like a demolition site. Almost the entire site is — so you have to — you have to get rid of what you have there. You have structures that are very dangerous. They're falling down. If they haven't fallen, they're going to fall down of their own volition. So that process, Peter, is going to start pretty much immediately in that way. Well, it looks like a year from now, in your view. A year. That's very quick. But over the years, it'll look very good. It'll be — it's got the first chance it's had in centuries of being peaceful. It's always been a very, very strange area. It's always been loaded up with problems, religious problems, problems like no other place probably in the world. And I think it's going to now — it's going to normalize. All you can say, if it normalizes, that would be fantastic. The governing structure, sir, that you have set up in that peace plan, how soon will that new governing body be in place? Very quickly. And everybody wants to be a part of it. You're talking about the Board of Peace? That's right. Tony Blair, yourself. Everybody wants — yeah, everybody wants to be a part of it. I've had calls from all of the leaders, the leaders of countries. They all want to be a part. I mean, the leaders themselves, they're not going to send somebody. They want to be a part of it. Do you know who's going to be a part of it yet? I do. I do. Can you share? No, not yet. Have you spoken to Tony Blair? Have you spoken to Tony Blair about it since the — I'm going to take your things out. Have you spoken to Tony Blair about it since the — You know, first I want to find out that Tony would be popular with all — because I just don't know that. And I like Tony. I've always liked Tony. But I want to find out that he's an acceptable choice to everybody. What about — what guarantees have you been able to give to both the Israelis and the Arab countries? We have a lot of guarantees. And the Israelis are very concerned. We have a lot of verbal guarantees, too. And I don't think they're going to want to disappoint me. I have a lot of verbal guarantees. Guarantees that aren't down in writing, but they were given to me. And I believe they're going to be held very strongly. That's why I think it's going to be successful. Mr. President, you have taken — We have. Hi, Katie. Let me shake your hand. Good to see you, Mr. President. Thank you. Good to see you. I'm sure you've seen reports of Hamas rearming, instituting themselves as a Palestinian police force, taking — you know, shooting — shooting rivals. What is your message to Hamas? They are standing because they do want to stop the problems. And they've been open about it, and we gave them approval for a period of time. You have to understand, they've lost probably 60,000 people. That's a lot of retribution. They've lost 60,000 people. And the ones that are living right now were, in many cases, very young when this all started. And we are having them watch that there's not going to be big crime or some of the problems that you have when you have areas like this that have been literally demolished. You know, you have 2 million people, and probably it'll be less than that, but you have close to 2 million people going back to buildings that have been demolished. And a lot of bad things can happen. So we want it to be — we want it to be safe. I think it's going to be fine. Mr. President, you have — Who knows for sure, Katie, but I think it's going to be fine. Some of the top Biden administration folks who were there, like Antony Blinken, seem to want some credit for the peace deal. Blinken says it's good that President Trump adopted and built on the plan that the Biden administration developed. What do you think about that? Everybody knows that's a joke. Look, they didn't do — they did such a bad job. This should have never happened. This wouldn't have even happened. That was weak leadership, terrible — and the same thing with Russia, Russia-Ukraine. If a — just a decent president, not a great president like me — not a great president. If a decent president was in, you wouldn't have had the Russia-Ukraine. And this is — I would say even more so. This was bad policy by Biden and by Obama. Remember when Bibi came and he begged that you not do what they were doing with Iran? You remember that, right? Begged him. And they wouldn't even listen to him. Everything they did was the opposite of what you should have done. And it's nice that they try and take a little credit. That was years ago, and the mistakes were made years ago. And it was both by Biden and Obama. So what did you do so differently? Because a lot — I know a lot of it was behind the scenes. So what did you do so much differently than Joe Biden and — to end the war? I resonated with the Arab leaders, the Muslim leaders, and the Jewish leaders, for whatever reason. You tell me why. You know, he said that in my first news conference, I answered more questions of him than Biden did in four years. And I think that's pretty close to being true. There were — there were no Pinocchios in the fact check. There were none. That's right. That's right. Mr. President, your relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu has been through some ups and downs. You had to get a little tough on him. Where is that relationship now, and can you tell us about it? It's very good. He just put me up for the Nobel Prize. So, you know, I don't know what it means with the Nobel Prize, but he put me up yesterday for the Nobel Prize, and I should get it. But, I mean, I think it's very good. Has he made commitments to you personally about moving forward to the next phase of peace? Look, let me tell you. He's a wartime president. He did a very good job. I had some disputes with him, and they were quickly settled. I can tell you that. But as far as I'm concerned, I think he's done a great job. I think he was the right person at this time. You know, look, it's been — it's been this way for centuries. You know, we're not talking about for 10 years, for five. It's been this way for centuries. And he did a great job. And working with me, he was fantastic. Now, working with Biden, no good. They didn't get along, and they had the opposite, because Biden and Obama backed Iran. And just so, when you talk about a thing like that, if you think — they were backing Iran. When you back Iran, this wouldn't have worked. And had we not taken out the Iran nuclear facility and we made the same deal, it would have a really dark cloud over it, and you wouldn't have people dancing in the streets, Katie. You would have people saying, oh, you know, you're making a deal, but we have a guy over there with nuclear weapons all over the place. He's going to knock the hell out of us. If we didn't take out the Iran nuclear, when we did — because in two months, they would have had a nuclear weapon. This deal, even if it were done the exact same way, would have had a dark cloud over it. And now, there's no dark clouds. There's nobody they have to worry about. Katie? Have you talked to the Qataris about their changing behavior in your first term? You talked about how they were funding terrorism. The Qataris — yeah. The Qataris really helped us with this deal. And the Amir is an amazing man who really helped us. You have to understand, his country is right in the middle of everything, more so than any other country, more so than UAE, where you have to fly an hour and a half to get there, more so than Saudi Arabia, where you have to fly an hour and a half to get there. His country, you walk across a line and you're there. So he's in the middle of this unbelievable hostile territory with people on all different sides of the — you know, of the opinion and the question. They were a tremendous help. Qatar was a tremendous help to getting this done. I hope people can realize that. It was very tough and very dangerous for Qatar. They were very brave. And their leader, the Amir, was very, very brave. And Qatar should start getting some credit. And you have to understand, they lived in the middle of everything. When they changed their behavior from 2017, what do you accuse them of funding terrorism? I don't know. In 2017, I didn't really know them very well. You know, 2017, that was at the very beginning of my term. As I got to know them, I got to understand them, and I got to realize that they're in the middle of — they are right in the middle of everything. Other countries are there, but they're an hour and an hour and a half away. A big difference. They're literally — you walk over from Iran to Qatar. You can walk in in one second. You go, boom, boom, and now you're in Qatar. That's tough territory. I think Qatar was amazing the way they helped us. I see it. And I see it with Russia, Russia, Russia, too. Sometimes you have to go through some pain before it all happens. I saw it with Turkey. And, by the way, Turkey was fantastic, too. President Erdogan was fantastic. He really helped a lot because he's very respected. He's got a very powerful nation. He's got a very, very powerful military. And he helped a lot, President Erdogan. UAE was great. You know, we mentioned Qatar. Saudi Arabia, the king, they were great. Indonesia was great. We had tremendous help. Jordan, the king, they were great. This is an amazing thing. Countries that — very diverse countries. Some got along, some didn't. But for the most part, nobody got along with anybody. And they all came together, and they're all dancing in the streets, just like Israel. It's a unique point in time. You were talking about the ceasefire. That wouldn't have had that help. That wouldn't have happened back then. It's much tougher. Would you ever visit Gaza? Would you ever visit Gaza? I would. Yeah, I would. I'd be proud to. I see it. I mean, I know it so well without visiting, but I do see it. Yeah, I would, actually. I'd like to do it. I'd like to put my feet on it, at least. But I think it's going to be a great miracle over the coming decades. And, you know, if you go too fast, that's not going to be good. You have to go at the right speed. You can't go too fast. When Steve Whitcock was in Hostages Square last night, he mentioned Prime Minister Netanyahu, and the crowd booed. I wondered if you saw that. What you made of that? I also saw the crowd cheer when he mentioned Trump. Like, really cheer. It's an honor. No, as I said, I think Bibi did a great job. I had some words with him a couple of times where I didn't agree, and he was always — he was the right guy at the right time. But you've got hostages handed over for some reason. Are you — I'm not worried about it. I think we have a great deal, and it's a great deal for everybody. You know, a great deal is a deal where everybody's happy. And every country, they're dancing in the streets. That's a great deal. It's a unique — it's a unique period in time.