Was she really born with telepathy? Dalia Burgoin says she can “see without her eyes.” 👁️ In this candid conversation, we explore her claim, her training, and what “seeing” means beyond vision.
You’ll hear Dalia describe how her ability first appeared, the methods she uses to practice it, and the everyday moments where telepathy seems to show up most. We also ask the tough questions: How is this different from intuition? Could attention, memory, or perception explain it? And what would good testing look like? Along the way, we discuss blindfold reading, focusing drills, and why calm breathing might sharpen awareness.
Whether you come in curious, skeptical, or already convinced, this interview gives you a clear, down-to-earth look at a topic that’s usually wrapped in hype. Our goal isn’t to prove or disprove anything—it’s to listen closely, challenge gently, and let you decide. If you’ve ever wondered how people describe ESP, “third-eye” training, or so-called eyeless vision, this is a thoughtful place to start. 🔍
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When I was a kid, I did have telepathic abilities, but I never called it that. I just thought it
was something everybody had. And so I was able to know what people were thinking and know what
they were going to say and know how they were going to react. I remember knowing that. And
at first, I wondered why adults, to me, I thought it was just adults that weren't
reading each other's minds. And I remember thinking, coming to the conclusion, maybe
when you become an adult, you can't do it anymore. So I was probably like four,
I hadn't gone to school yet. And I remember thinking, okay, so I'm probably going to lose
it when I become an adult. So I'll just, okay, I'll get okay with that. But when I went to school,
I noticed the other kids weren't doing it either. I remember wondering, why aren't they just
knowing what each other's thinking? It's so obvious. And so for a while, I just remember
the teachers always asking me, how do you know? For example, we were playing this one game one
time. And one person is supposed to go in the hallway. And everybody's sitting on the floor
in a circle. And someone's supposed to take an object and sit on it. You're supposed to find a
person that was sitting on the object. And I remember when it was my turn, I went out there,
I'm like, it's so obvious who it is. The person's thinking about it. They're scared. They're afraid
of me to pick on them. Every single time I knew it. And I just remember picking it and the teacher
how do you know? And then I ended up having to, they just ended up letting me sit it out
after a few turns. Because the way the game worked was if you got it wrong, someone else got to try.
But for me, I kept getting it right every single time. I just remember thinking it's
telling the teacher it's because they're thinking about it. But I didn't think anything of it. But
those were my last memories of having the ability. And it's only because, you know how memories are,
your biggest memories are coming with emotions. And my emotions were like confusion. Like,
why aren't they doing this? And so those are my last memories of it, probably around first grade
or so. And since then, it has been hit or miss. In fact, my idea of telepathy, I feel like
telepathy, like what my daughter can do, my daughter's Ledu. And what she can do is like
I didn't even think that was a real thing. Like, I've always been into the spiritual realms. And I
was a little kid. I was always meditating and always going to holy places. And I was a little
kid going by myself sometimes. But what my daughter can do with her telepathy, I feel like
I never really believed in telepathy, because what she can do blew me away.
It's like stuff from TV, like stuff that you would never think is real. I guess what I thought
before my daughter started to open up about hers was you kind of sensing what they're feeling and
then projecting your ideas onto it. That's what I kind of thought telepathy was. It's confusing.
But yeah, when I was a kid, I definitely had something more like my daughter has.
And this was in Utah? Did you grow up there?
No, I grew up in South Jersey.
Oh, South Jersey. Oh, wow.
Yeah, I went to Utah when I was 18 to go to college.
And so, what was it like during the time growing up and this ability starting to atrophy?
Were you paying attention to it? Did you notice all of a sudden, like one day it didn't work?
Or what was that like?
I never noticed it turning off. I just kind of went on my life and
didn't notice it until my daughter came out. I'm like, wait a minute, I remember being able to do
that. So, it's just something like I just went on with my life. It's because I was so young,
it's just kind of life moved on. I also had the ability to hear, I don't know who I was hearing,
hearing some kind of spiritual helpers talking and I could hear them audibly.
And that was another thing that kind of just turned off without me noticing.
I have a couple of memories of me talking to them and I remember linking them to family,
thinking they have my best interest in heart, listen to them. I remember talking to them out
loud and I remember one of my aunts walking in and looking worried and saying, who are you talking
to? And so again, because an emotion is attached to that memory, I remember thinking I must be
doing something weird. So, I just told her nobody and I don't have any other memories after that.
But I do remember doing that as a kid too.
Interesting.
Yeah.
And you had a pretty normal childhood. There was nothing abnormal about your childhood or
anything like this? You weren't diagnosed with any of these conditions?
No, no diagnosis or anything. But yeah, as far as me, I've always been into meditation. I've always
gone to holy places. I've always felt like I had a connection with the other side and God and-
So, you grew up religious?
I didn't really go to church. My family didn't really go to church, but I did.
Interesting.
It's because I recognize the energy of the holy building. So, I really like the energy.
I remember looking at the priests and everyone talking and thinking, you know,
it's really sweet what they're trying to do. And thinking, there's a huge difference between
these men and God, but it's really sweet what they're trying to do. And I love the energy of
this place. And so, I remember thinking that as a kid as well and going there by myself a lot.
I'm like four years old going to these places just because I like the energy.
And I stopped in my 20s. In my teenage years, I still went, but I stopped in my 20s for a while.
And then when my daughter came around talking about her telepathy and stuff,
we started going back because she likes the holy atmosphere as well.
But going back to your question, how it started for me. So, when I was a little kid, there was
another- there's so many things. But when I was a little kid, I remember getting visions of the
work I was going to do. And I always saw myself healing, laying on of hands, but I was wearing
Asian garments. And I remember thinking that was confusing. And it wasn't until in my 20s,
I found the kind of chi practice I was going to do. And so, I started doing it. And it was there,
I started learning how to sense my world blindfolded, but it's just sensing. There
was no visual component to it at all. It was just being able to tell things by touch and
by sound, by smell. And I remember hearing about Indonesia, and like 15 years ago,
kids doing this blindfolded vision. I just remember hearing about it and seeing it and
thinking, I want to do that. But I remember hearing that they don't teach adults in a lot
of these schools. They didn't teach adults, they only taught children. And some people even
would say that adults couldn't learn it. And I remember thinking, well, that's ridiculous,
we have the same brain. We might access different brain waves at different times,
like they are more in the alpha and we're more in a different, but we should be able to do it too.
So, there was no doubt in my mind that I could do it too. But I never actually went into it until
I had this weird spiritual experience. So, in this reality that my daughter and I are in,
there's so many abilities that are not talked about that are out there that we all have. Like,
this is not just special to me and her, like we all have these things. And so, there's this one
weird thing that would happen with me where I would sit up one day and I'd be in a different
time or in the future or a different timeline, but I would be there, like I would be there.
It's not just my thoughts. So, I remember sitting up one day and one of my daughters was in my bed
in this timeline I sat up in, and I had a blindfold on, and I was seeing the entire room
with the blindfold. And I remember thinking, well, I'm in another timeline or I'm in the future
right now because I didn't lay down with a blindfold and my daughter wasn't in the bed.
So, I know I'm in the future or a different timeline. I don't know what to call it. And so,
I remember thinking this must be important. This must be an important thing for me to
pay attention to. Then later that day, I decided to grab my blindfold, do a lying down meditation,
and my daughter climbed into bed. And I remember thinking, I wonder if it's going to happen. So,
I did my meditation and I sat up and exactly the same thing that had happened earlier that day
happened. So, I saw the entire room and I remember thinking, okay, I need to learn how to do this all
the time. And after that, for six months, I was walking around with, I have a bunch of blindfolds
here. I was walking around with- For people that are listening and not watching, Dahlia has brought
like four or five blindfolds with her. Yeah. So, it was this one. So, I walked
around for like six months with this and I called it the dark walk. And I was trying to figure it
out. And so, I'm walking and all I see is pitch black for like six months. But I was able to get
around. It was the coolest training for myself. And I would do it every day for about like 20 to
30 minutes of just walking with a blindfold on. Outside?
Inside. Okay. And I remember I couldn't see even a speck of light. I couldn't see colors.
I couldn't read at all, but I could easily see all the outlines in the room. And I could see
the outline of my hand in front of my face. So, I was able to get around the house. I was able to
open up the doors because I would see where everything was. And I thought it was so cool.
It was just the outlines. It was kind of like looking at an ultrasound or something. It was
like sound. And if I tapped on something, I would see it even more. It would just appear even more.
And so, it was the coolest thing. I remember thinking how cool it was that I could go into
a bathroom or something without turning on the lights because it didn't make any difference.
And I remember doing that for a while and then finally thinking, well,
how do I actually read like the kids do? How do I actually see colors and stuff like
those kids are doing? And so, I remember that's when I started looking into doing that in the U.S.
And so, there was a couple of schools. There was one in Utah called VibraVision. And I looked into
them just 20 minutes away. And then, I looked at these people online like Rob Freeman and Wendy
Gallant. And I looked at them. And with them, they actually just focused on the blindfold,
whereas VibraVision was focusing on teaching like a lot of stuff. They taught the energy work and
they taught a lot of stuff. And since I already had an energy background, I thought I just want
to do the blindfold. So, I decided to fly out. And I met with these people who are doing their
second seminar ever. Actually, before that, I did a phone call or a Zoom call with Rob. And we were
on the call. And for the first time ever, I had my blindfold on. And for the first time ever,
I started seeing things with my mind's eye. He was holding up shapes and I got nearly 100%.
And I said, this is insane. I didn't even think that I could do something like this. I never even
tried. And it was so amazing. And then he was like, you definitely got to come into the seminar.
And so, when I went to the actual seminar on the second day, I started to see colors for the first
time. And they were very shocked because they hadn't seen anyone open that fast before. And
so, yeah, I started to see the colors and it was so amazing. And then the next day,
I started to see more. I started to see shapes. And then I started to be able to read. And
it just blew my whole paradigm. I thought like, whoa, I found the glitch in the matrix. I figured
it all out. This is insane. And I felt like I could do anything after that.