Sig Lonegren Divining the Stones Dowsing, the Earth Mysteries, and The Spiritual Journey Audio

Divining the stones, dowsing, the earth mysteries and the spiritual journey presented by Sig Longren. In this lecture Sig looked at why dowsers get different results in their research and gives an overview of how the ancients may have worked with the ancient science of geomancy. Recorded live at Megalithomania conference 2006. Thank you very much. I have the feeling that I'm not going to be able to tell you anything new. Everybody's already said what I wanted to say but I trust you'll hear it in a different way and that it will work for you. Yes this is our shield that we all saw to to come here and of course the big question is at the bottom of this just what were those ancients up to? Now I think we've had a lot of answers today as to what were they up to in the sense of they were into astronomy or they were up to doing sacred geometry or they were up to making long-distance alignments or or or but why were they up to that? Oh there you go. So the topic of my talk is divining the stones, dowsing the earth mysteries and the spiritual journey. I want to start with the square and actually from a symbolic level I'm going to be moving backwards. The square as you all have heard and I'm sure are well aware represents the physical in that it can be totally defined rationally. The distance around the perimeter if the side is one its perimeter is four and if it's one whatever the unit is it's one square its area it can be absolutely and totally defined and therefore it represents the physical. It also I think represents the rational because it can be rationally totally understood. On the other hand the circle represents the spiritual and it represents the spiritual because of this little number called pi and it cannot be defined as totally as the square. It cannot be totally empirically defined and if I have a spiritual experience and I want to come back and talk to you about it I can't give it to you or to you or to you with the same degree of accuracy and you cannot experience it with the same degree of accuracy as I experienced it. I can only get close to it which is what pi allows us to do with the circumference of this circle which we cannot define with this greater degree of accuracy as a square. Now having said that actually before I talk about Bruce I want to say that I think that there was a time as Merlin Stone said when God was a woman and it was called the Paradise Papers over here which is a horrible name but it was in the early 70s and I think there was a time when none of us needed any of the things we've been talking about today. None of us needed alignments, astronomy, any of those things. None of us needed shaman. We all had our own right brain if you will, an intuitive way of communicating with the other worlds which is what I actually think all of this is about. It's about the spiritual path and we all had our own ways on our own abilities to do that but the closer we get to the present, the closer we get to the late Neolithic and then into the Bronze Age, the more we begin to see it was necessary to build places that enhanced the possibility of connection. The sacred geometry is used to get us to resonate at the right frequency, at the proper frequency. The hallucinogenic drugs were used to enhance the possibility of connection and then the astronomy from my perception was used to tell us when a particular site was going to be at its hottest spiritually. Not all sites are of equal spiritual hotness if you will throughout the year. There are certain times when they're stronger than others but the sacred geometry got them to work for longer periods of time. I think one of my best examples I learned from John a long time ago, John Michel, when he was talking about when we were hunter-gatherers, we were naturally in the right place at the right time. If we followed the herds up into the mountains in the summer and then down into the valleys in the winter, we were naturally at the right place when it was at its peak energetically from a ability to communicate, to contact point of view. But when we became farmers and lived down in the valleys we had to figure out how to make it work more often and the sacred geometry and the astronomy and all of those were used and the hallucinogenic drugs and the shamanic activities were used to increase the possibility of connection. We get closer and closer to the Greeks and we see it's getting more and more difficult. I think human sacrifice for example is a absolute clear evidence that that culture is forgetting how to connect and they've got to go to such horrible extremes to get that connection. Another example that's used I think that shows us from a sacred space point of view that's cut us off is the rude screen. Now the first rude screen I know of is called Stonehenge. Stonehenge and the big hinges, the big trillathons were in effect rude screens that separated the folks out on the circle out of by the Aubrey holes watching the activity inside and the priests on the inside you couldn't quite clearly see what it was that they were up to. And of course the cathedrals carried that on. You go to Wells and they've got an organ between the people in the high altar so you can't possibly see what's going on there. And so we step further and further away from being able to do it ourselves directly and closer and closer to having other people do it for us. The Greeks have a really good example of this in their theater. I think theater is one step away from ceremony and then they built the proscenium arch. This thing here which separates you guys from me and makes you as observers and I'm the action right. And they had a theatrical convention that was accepted in Greek tragedy all the time which was essentially things get so screwed up and so tight and twisted that all of a sudden they lowered this this God comes out of the proscenium on a string in a box right. And he resolves everything. Now the term for this theatrical convention is called Deus Ex Machina. You may have noticed that wasn't Greek. It's Roman. It's Latin. And what they were it's God out of a machine and it means a contrived ending. And the Romans look back on these contrived endings and said oh that's just you couldn't figure out how to make it work so you contrived it. But the reality is that the Greeks understood when you get under that kind of pressure that's just when psycho-spiritual phenomena can occur. That's the time when mom can actually lift the wrecked car so her son can crawl out. And that happens. But it happens under times of extreme tension and extreme stress when the God out of the machine comes and speaks to us. Well I could go on in our journey from our right brain when God was a woman to our left brain with the with the Romans to what we have today when we are more represented less of the square of the circle which was the goddess and more of the square which is the scientist the rational brain. Now I want to give you a bit of history of my own in terms of my heritage as a dowser which is what this talk is about. Dowsing is a tool that can bring up consciousness intuition on demand. Now I want you to raise your hand when you know the answer to this question right? Okay everybody with me? How much is five and seven? Raise your hand when you know the answer. Very good very good you all went to school didn't you? You all were trained in your left brain how to come up with an answer like that. We've all been trained in our left brain but if I were to ask you is this avocado that I'm holding here ripe? How many of you have the immediate answer? Well maybe you squeeze it a little or whatever but there are intuitional ways that you can get answers to questions that the rational brain doesn't give you access to. I've lost my wedding ring where is it? Those kinds of questions. Now one of the people who really began to talk to me and to us about the energies that can be found at a sacred space we've talked about alignments astronomical alignments we've talked about am I crackling too much? Oh no you're not coming to tell me I'm crackling. One of the one of the people who began to talk to us about something beyond the astronomy and the geometry and the other things that I've been talking about so far was a guy named Bruce McManaway. Now Bruce was an officer in the British military at Dunkirk and he was in the perimeter holding the Jerry's back and his unit ran out of medical supplies and he didn't have anything but his hands and he had men bleeding all over him and so he used his hands and it worked and the bleeding stopped and his particular unit suffered the lowest level of shock and battle wounds unrecoverable battle wounds of any in the perimeter and it's where he learned that he was a healer and he became one of the big healers in the last century. He set up a healing center in Strathmiglo in Fife in Scotland and he was a wonderful wonderful healer and many of the terms that I use today when I'm talking about the earth energies as a dowser I owe to Bruce McManaway. Terry Ross is another one that I owe a great deal he was one of my field faculty for my master's degree and he brought the notion of dowsable lays to the United States and I owe him a great deal in terms of working with Geomancy, Geo the earth, Mancy divination of the earth and he certainly taught me how to do that and he was a student of Bruce McManaway's. John Williams a Welshman who learned about the idea of getting spun off a stone if you had come with us to Stanton Drew on Friday you would have had a chance to lean against a standing stone and literally get spun off and he was one of the first people to discover this and he also was looking into a particular kind of line I think he called them skim lines that were somewhat analogous to the lays. Here he is getting thrown off the stone he could do it from a distance he was quite skilled. Tom Graves, Tom Graves used to live in the next town here when I first came to Glastonbury I tell my British friends I'm I'm thinking of moving to England I think it's really gonna be great I'm gonna love it over here you've probably guessed I'm not English. I am a I am a British citizen and I have taken an oath to the Queen everybody who's taken an oath to the Queen please raise your hand. Nobody's hands are going up very few very good well so damn yeah on you but in any event Tom said don't you're coming to Glastonbury no don't don't don't go to Glastonbury come live in street and everybody who I told I was coming to England they all said oh no don't don't go to Glastonbury no no don't don't live there and I finally went to a guy who is a fundraiser at Oxford he said nobody in their right mind lives in Glastonbury. Well in 1985 I want to assure you that everybody in Glastonbury from the alternative community that was called the new age back then everyone was living in their right mind it was the rest of Britain who was living in their left mind and in any event Glastonbury was the place where we learned how to live in our right brain and Tom a dowser now lives in Australia but he was one of the people who really got us going in terms of understanding of dowsing and the needles of stone the earth acupuncture needles of standing stones oh here's a guy you may have seen before when people talk about ley lines I don't know what they're talking about the gentleman who discovered these a lot rediscovered these alignments of sites were called Alfred Watkins called them lays he didn't call them ley lines and when I was coming over here in the in the late 70s John said please don't call those things you're dowsing lays those straight alignments of yang energy the six to eight foot wide beams of yang energy that many times but not always run concurrently with Watkins lays so I've called them energy lays and I have to say in John's introduction he's the reason I'm here his book view over Atlantis was one of the first was I had two books a secret country by Janet and Colin board and view over Atlantis and they were the ones that turned me on and I really honor John for what he's done for all of us in this room Werner Heisenberg how did he get in here well he was dealing with quantum mechanics and he talks about how the observer and the system beings are observed became mysteriously linked so that the results of any observation seemed to be determined in part by actual choices made by the observer in other words there's no such thing as an objective observer and here we are the granddaddy of all quantum weirdness the infamous double-slit experiment to understand this experiment we first need to see how particles or little balls of matter if we randomly shoot a small object say a marble at the screen we see a pattern on the back wall where they went through the slit and hit now if we add a second slit we would expect to see a second band duplicated to the right now let's look at waves the waves hit the slit and radiate out striking the back wall with the most intensity directly in line with the slit the line of brightness on the back screen shows that intensity this is similar to the line the marbles make but when we add the second split something different happens if the top of one wave meets the bottom of another wave they cancel each other out so now there is an interference pattern on the back wall places where the two tops meet are the highest intensity the bright lines and where they cancel there is nothing so when we throw things that is matter through two slits we get this two bands of hits and with waves we get an interference pattern of many bands good so far now let's go quantum an electron is a tiny tiny bit of matter like a tiny marble let's fire a stream through one just like the marbles a single band so if we shoot these tiny bits through two slits we should get like the marbles two bands what an interference pattern we fired electrons tiny bits of matter through we get a pattern like waves not like little marbles how how could pieces of matter create an interference pattern like a wave it doesn't make sense but there's a sister clever they thought maybe those little balls are bouncing off each other and creating that pattern so they decide to shoot electrons through one at a time there is no way they can interfere with each other but after an hour of this the same interference pattern is seen to emerge the conclusion is inescapable the single electron leaves as a particle becomes a wave of potentials goes through both slits and interferes with itself to hit the wall like a particle but mathematically it's even stranger it goes through both slits and it goes through neither and it goes through just one and it goes through just the other all of these possibilities are in superposition with each other but physicists were completely baffled by this so they decided to peek and see which slit actually goes through they put a measuring device by one slit to see which one it went through and let it fly but the quantum world is far more mysterious than they could have imagined when they observed the electron went back to behaving like a little marble it produced a pattern of two bands not an interference pattern of many the very act of measuring or observing which slit it went through meant it only went through one not both the electron decided to act differently as though it was aware it was being watched and it was here that physicists stepped forever into the strange never world of quantum events what does matter marbles or waves and waves of what and what does an observer have to do with any of this the observer collapsed the wave function simply by observing oh that's when I gave up so the observer affects the observed every single scientific attempt to prove dowsing exists since 1900 from the first three pipes under the ground which one has water going over it every single one of these tests was performed by people who are hot dowsers Bill Lewis in this country for example it was one of the master dowsers of last century every single one of these tests failed every single time you're dealing with things that get close to intangible the observer the scientific observer affects the result but what does this have to do with dowsing and the earth energies what does this button have to do with advancing the film there we go people are into the earth mysteries for at least for at least two different reasons and I suspect we'll find some of both of you here in this room today the researchers people who call themselves earth mystery researchers are into the earth mysteries for scientific reasons they want to use science to prove that the earth mysteries have validity they want to convince archaeologists that astro archaeoastronomical alignments are real they want to convince people that sacred geometry is really part of what's going on here the biggest one they want to converts to convince the archaeologists that lays are real historically in the earth mysteries there have been some difficulties for this approach this is the world's largest understatement I need to switch to something that is a topic that also has been talked about here fundamentalism whether you're talking about whatever religion you want I think it's a real problem my paradigm paradigm of reality is truth and it's the only correct one and you're going to hell now the problem is in this issue that's really big in the United States and my dear friends it is coming to this country I mean the evolution versus intelligent design controversy spoke that in British I'm proud of myself and the problem is that it's again clearly science versus creationism and religion but the real problem is that the scientists are just as fundamentalist as the people in the church my paradigm of evolution is correct and you're crazy when you hold a worldview that doesn't allow for anybody else's point of view to come in there's bound to be conflict and the point is that each one of us have our own sacred point of view each one of us in this room have our own paradigm of reality but the thing that we need to do and here's a little preaching here the thing that we need to do in the earth mysteries is to start respecting other people's paradigms and understand that we're all blind men looking at women looking at the elephant and we each see that sacred space elephant slightly differently and we're all correct from our own points of view and if there's one message I can get to you today that would be the one that I would do how much time do I have please thank you okay so the diviners if the scientists are square the diviners are the pilgrims are the circle and we each see intangible targets differently I heard a really neat quote on the bead the other day of Philip Pullman when he was talking about scientists versus Oh pilgrims or diviners or whatever he said science seeks facts pilgrims people into mythology diviners seek truth I think that's a real difference and the truth that I'm seeking is the spiritual truth for me relativism the truth or falsity of moral judgments or their justification is not absolute or universal but is relative to the traditions convictions and practices of a group of persons an example chalice well perhaps some of you know about chalice well here in town if you have never been to chalice well please go there before you leave Glastonbury you're in for a real treat but in any event dowsers have been dowsing chalice well for yonks this dowser Oh me sees the blind the elephant this blind man sees the elephant sacred space elephant in terms of underground water and what I would call energy lays which are six to eight foot wide beams of straight yang energy which sometimes flow concurrently with Watkins lays the underground water is the yin the earth mother and the energy lays those straight lines are the solar father and you can see that I see an energy light here crossing over the chalice well here where several others cross there's a dome of water there as well and a couple of others coming through here I find the Arthur's Court is quite a powerful place as well that's how this blind man sees the elephant did I skip one how did it go back Hamish Miller who is one of the master dowsers of this country of this day was dowsing John's Michael line and he found that it didn't go in a straight line but he went kind of like this and then when he went back to check it again I found another one that went like that and he called them the Michael and Mary lines and he traced them through the chalice well garden coming through here going in that direction this is the Michael line that's the Mary line now somebody during the count our time together talked about how one of those lines moved as a result of something you remember somebody saying that well that's okay we each see it our own way and a really good example of this is a student of Hamish's by the name of Tony Kennish who lives here in town and he did a dows of the Michael and Mary lines in chalice well and you'll see that it's quite different from what Hamish found and in fact he found that the Michael and Michael line had split into two so each one of us sees it differently this is anathema to science we all ought to find the same thing so we come back to the square being the physical and the circle representing the spiritual now they're all different views of the spiritual listen I'm a Methodist and in this particular place in the service we all kneel oh oh no no I'm a congregationalist and in this one at this point we stand oh no we said it this one in the Catholic Church we all see that one that numinous that spiritual differently and it depends upon our level of consciousness and what our expectations are and what we're ready to see that determines what we're going to see and that might turn me into a Muslim it might turn me into a Jew it might turn me into a Buddhist all of us founders of those religions all saw the one I have no doubt that Confucius and Jesus and Lao Tzu and Krishna and Buddha and Muhammad and forgive me her who I've forgotten they all saw the one but they all came back and told different stories they were the circle they didn't use the same words they couldn't describe it with empirical accuracy so the point here for me is something that I call good knowing and good knowing comes from Gnostic but I have to say the hard G or you won't hear what I'm talking about and it is listen I really appreciate what you have to say I want to hear what you have to say and you sir I want to hear what you have to say and John I want to hear what you have to say and Chris and and father in Rome and who Archbishop of Canterbury and George Bush and but thank you ultimately I'll make up my own mind and that's because I value the rational and the intuitive equally and I'm going to decide for myself and that for me is one of the meanings of squaring the circle or circling the square I like that better and it also has to do with bringing the physical body and the spiritual body into oneness so what exactly were the ancients up to why have so many of us put so much time into these ancient sites what have dowsers and so many others seekers been looking for well we've been looking John are you in this picture yeah he is here's John right here we've been looking in many different ways to hook into the spiritual and there are many different ways to do it there's no right way whatsoever here's a group that are meeting in a stone ring up in in Scotland there is no right way although I would say the most I you notice I haven't brought my dowsing tools up with me I'm not into teaching you how to douse but if you're gonna douse I think the most important thing you can do in a sacred space the heck with the energies the heck with that kind of stuff what I think what you need to do is find out where do I need to put my young ass right now and go there sit down and shut up in other words pay attention go to that one place that is best for you and be quiet and see what happens say a prayer give an offering take some LSD do whatever it is you're gonna do but I think that is what is really the use of sacred space in it they are places that enhance the possibility of spiritual connection and they don't work the same for everyone each of us will find that some places places are more powerful than others each of us will find that some places within that will be the same more powerful I did a class at Chalice well one time and I asked people to say said think of your two most favorite places in Chalice well then get together with someone else and go to those four places because I assume they were each had to and dow's where your aura is most expanded because that's what happens in power centers your aura is expanded and then tonight we're gonna go to that one place you go to your place and we'll give you some meditational things to do and it came time to be doing these meditational things and I went to the place that I wanted to do which was at the well head no one else was there I just assumed everyone would go to the well head mm-hmm each of us have our own places within a sacred space where we can connect the most effectively went too fast this is another example this is an Arbor low and people doing a little walking ceremony in a spiral dance again there's no right thing to be doing in sacred spaces I don't come to you with a particular spiritual path in mind I honor all paths with heart and take what works for you and bring it to sacred space and go for it now one exercise that I did give to the folks that stand drew we'll just go to this next one here just to show another sacred tool Oh George I am talking about Laverne's anyway this is Bremer it's a shark labyrinth and near Bournemouth North but in any event go to a sacred place and find where your spot is and then when you go home and you find yourself getting into a tight place starting to take an exam or you're going to meet with your boss or you've got to take your driver's test or whatever could be stressful and just before you go in go to that place in your mind take a couple of deep breaths and center down and it will help you deal with what's in front of you so there's no right way to douse the pendulum goes clockwise or counterclockwise or back and forth or side to side all the different signals the different dowsers get there's no right way to douse there's no right way to use sacred space but friends you it for what it was made for use it to enhance the possibility of spiritual connection this is chalice well the place that I was drawn to the wellhead so this is what they were looking for they were looking for Union which is I think another word for yoga oh gosh that went fast yes thank you go there and square the circle bring your body to these portals these sacred places and use them to grow spiritually say a prayer that you know chant a chant that you chant listen to nature and see what nature may say to you but please use these places for spiritual growth and that's what I think dowsers are all about learning how to enhance their intuition so that they can be better gnowers and to grow towards the spirit thank you very much this has been a megalithic mania audio production for more information visit megalithic mania co.uk