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ברוך ובר, לשעבר מנהל מחוז דרום במשרד להגנת הסביבה, מנתץ מיתוסים ומספר בריאיון לחדשות NTD עברית שמקורות הזיהום הגדולים ביותר בישראל כיום אינם התעשייה כפי שרבים סבורים, האחראית ל-1% בלבד מהזיהום, אלא הטיפול בפסולת הציבורית והחקלאות.
ובר אמנם אומר כי בעבר הייתה "הפקרות" בתעשייה הישראלית מבחינת זיהום אוויר, אך כיום היא עברנו לקיצוניות השנייה והתקנים הנדרשים הם מהמחמירים ביותר בעולם, שאף מדינות כמו גרמניה, אינן נדרשות לעמוד בהן.
על כל אלה אחראית לדבריו "הפקידות" שממליצה לכל השרים המכהנים על אותם צעדים. לדבריו, עמדה זו פוגעת קשות בסקטור היצרני ההולך ומצטמצם ומונעת השקעות ופתיחת מפעלים חדשים.
עוד אומר ובר שמאז אסון הדליפה בשמורת עברונה ב-2014, חברת קצא"א נוקטת צעדים משמעותיים לצמצום הנזקים הפוטנציאליים לסביבה, אף על פי כן הכמויות של נפט שהיא מורשה להעביר מנמל אילת מוגבלות ביותר וזאת למרות העובדה שבירדן הסמוכה מעבירים כמויות הרבה יותר גדולות ובפיקוח פחות קפדני, דבר המאיים לא פחות על שונית האלמוגים באילת. לדבריו מדובר בהתעלמות מצרכיה הביטחוניים והכלכליים האמיתיים של מדינת ישראל.
השאלות ששאלנו את ברוך ובר:
00:13 מהם מקורות זיהום הסביבה המרכזיים בישראל? כיצד ומדוע הרגולציה הסביבתית המחמירה משפיעה על מצב התעשייה בישראל?
11:30 האם ניסית להשפיע על המדיניות בעת עבודתך במשרד להגנת הסביבה?
12:39 האם הזהות הפוליטית של השר משפיעה על התנהלות המשרד?
13:44 האם אכן כפי שדווח ב"ישראל היום", מדינת ישראל הגיעה למחסור קריטי בדלק במהלך המלחמה האחרונה בגלל הרגולציה המחמירה?
16:09 האם אכן יש סכנה משמעותית לסביבה במידה ומגדילים את היקף השינוע של הנפט מנמל אילת?
21:05 האם ישנו שינוי עם כניסתה לתפקיד של השרה עידית סילמן?
למרות מספר בקשות לתגובה מהמשרד להגנת הסביבה – תגובתם טרם התקבלה ותתפרסם בערוץ במידה ותתקבל.
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Well the largest sources
of this are very surprising
Because when I go to the public and I ask them
How much does the industry for example contribute to
the overall material emissions in the state of Israel
Then I hear numbers like 40% 70%
And this is a miracle
There is a report that the Environmental Protection Agency issues once a year
This is a report to which it is obligated since Israel joined the OECD
In this report it is called the Environmental Migration Register in Israel
This is a comprehensive report full of numbers
full of data which almost no one knows about
And from there if I'm talking about what happened last year
last year was some kind of anomaly
the total percentage of material emissions from smokers into the air in Israel
It is at one percent
And then I asked a question wow
where do the other 99% come from And
when I'm talking about the industry
this is for the energy industry
If you generate electricity that is energy it's 2%
This year's emissions were a little higher
Because they handled a certain factory very well
for nine years he was not handled in certain areas
And during treatment some patients were
temporarily released from treatment but the number
is one percent Then it turns out that most
of the releases come from the public sector
And it is about 80%
This is distributed approximately 37% in the agricultural sector
And the rest of the public waste sector
And you ask yourself
why is everyone so busy
chasing after a supposedly important matter
In the attack by the Israeli industry sector it does not
deal with what the country itself says is the main infection
And this is a very large and problematic part of the process
this processing also reflects
in the power structures within the office
in the office for the protection of the Knesset in Israel
The ministry is very industry-oriented
And in the area of the factory
I don 't know such numbers but there are
several dozen people close to 100
people who are involved in the industry
How many people deal with agricultural waste
The decision is 37% one person
How many are involved with waste
Ten five ten
And we are here in a situation where there is a lot of processing
In areas where the State of Israel needs to deal with
What does this lead to
Before a year ago a law was enacted
intended to ease but it included
many pitfalls already in place and
they involve a significant worsening
Enacted a law called the Environmental Licensing Law
This law is accompanied by a formal report as well
It indicates how long it takes to process a presidential request
For changes in certain production processes
In this case it's what's called an air emission site
According to this law and I'm speaking from memory
When you are in business and an opportunity arises
you have to set up another kind of department
And you are asking to make a change to the emission site you received from the office
the time you will have to wait until you receive your correction permit
is 600 days
As a result the industry in Israel is shrinking
Very few new industrial plants are being built in the state of Israel
In my opinion the limitations of the Ministry of the Environment
They have been increasing raising and cutting with time
placing an unreasonable burden on the Israeli economy
I will add and say in my opinion
It is easy to reduce 50% in conflicting and varied instructions
They were issued by such
bodies and others within the ministry itself without harming the environment
I can tell you that the well-organized plant
I took care of required 140 reports per year
Who among us can read all these
140 reports I come
across plants that have them they are sent from other plants around the world
And in my meetings with them they said that the Israeli burden is
the heaviest in the world And
another second for the burden itself
According to the Ministry of Finance's budget
The values set for air emissions
are the strictest in the
Western world No country has
established a threshold value
Due to the release of cancer-
causing substances such as gasoline
it is either lower or more
severe than in the state of Israel Why
When you examine the gap in
this material and compare it
to Europe it turns out that it is the
result of an automobile accident
Among other things
the Israeli emissions
are the lowest among European countries
Why is it small among European countries
Why not on average of European countries
Apparently you could say
the less the better
The problem is the price
And the price is that we are causing it
New investments
similar to what is happening in Germany
This is a situation where there is a collapse of
values in Germany and this also happens I think in my country
And when I was managing assignments
Such procedures and others against
such factories I note and hear
that it is much more convenient
for them to work in the Netherlands
They have a name for these handmade products in the Netherlands
and other fences in Europe Spain
because they don't make them crazy
Like they're driving them crazy here in the country
Look about twenty years ago
a movement began
and it's in full swing now
She was known for her activism that
took place twenty years ago
in the Israeli industry What was the activism
We are familiar with mandatory policies
And we know what happens in Haifa
They established a committee that proposed various threshold values
that can be used as a starting point to set industry requirements
They established a committee that appointed representatives from the Ministry
of the Environment and the Ministry of
Health and regarding mandatory policies
And this is the reason because there are the bases there and
soldiers in our complaints about air pollution
Who is in charge of this committee
Industry
Now it's very easy to take
various values and I have examined
the committee's opinion and I understand what the reason was
Bring her to choose what she
has chosen The committee is called the Limmog Committee
It turns out they chose a certain
type they went shopping took a tour
of the latest markets around the
world and took the most valuable one
What's your problem I'm not
paying I'm a civil servant
I have no idea if it will close the Israeli industry
But it will not close the Israeli industry
Instead of reaching a certain situation
which is a dialogue between a producer entity
and a regulatory entity
Bring this to a place
that is reasonable
or considered average
in the world Take the most extreme values We find
this the expression of these values
Still even in causal requests
The processes became more
severe They took European
documents and selected the extreme values there
In such a way that even the Europeans themselves did not take it
Some of the things I heard in the simulations I have
this is that Germany is outstanding
They are working on reducing air pollution
They told me that the German manufacturers
are not willing to
supply Israel because they don't know how to meet the requirements
They are demanding this here in Israel What
is the silly thing
Around them there are amateur fireworks
for example partisan fires of trash
And waste that is burned in open areas
in quantities according to those
I rely on data in this case
From the Knesset committee for a certain period
I can delay the year until later
when the Gordon arrangement was set
It's about 500 garbage
collection trips a day
in the open areas and
this waste is burned
If you are talking now about the
waste issue this is due to several sources The first
source is that we do not have waste
treatment in Israel and part of the residents
Pollutes also with toxic materials
mainly incidentally by the way
the climate issue so the Israeli
industry emits less
greenhouse gases
Israel is a country that generates a lot of waste
By the way the waste management
in a comprehensive manner
according to the Ministry of Environmental Protection
They emit more than hazardous
materials In a year more than any
Israeli industry You surely also
know the philosopher Herbert Marcuse
He is one of the
fathers of the radical
movement in the world
and he is very very
happy to hear about
the rise of the
environmental issue
because in his view ecology
And the use of its tools is the
best invention for
bread against the
capitalists' oppression and I think
the continuous attacks the focus o
Only in one sector of the industry which
is one of the smaller ones of the polluting
industries did they test me go report to
the Ministry of Environmental Protection
Lure them on the day Do not believe the word I am telling you
And you will see that
from parameter to parameter they are
indeed made of actors
And for the greenhouse
And for the sake of the nitrogen fertilizers
you will see that the industry
is part of the industry in the field of fertilizer
to Israel
He is low not like
the materials from
the movies but very low but similar
to the whole the
Saba speech surrounded
the issue of the industry in Israel
And I think we are doing
it to ourselves but
we are hurting the Israeli industry deeply
Yes I set up a professional department
in the office to defend the industry and
later I became the regional manager of Tel
Aviv which was not an industrial region
Then I went to the
Southern District
Governor's office and then again I
encountered a collection
of advertisements
in front of the
industry and I was like
I think like the old Cato In the
meetings I remained and said the
problem is not in
the industry and
when we want to reduce the burden
The environmental day needs to be redirected to other directions but it
did not have a certificate
The private waste injections
in the case of a building waste manager
not the sprinkler
they threw almost all kinds of it into the districts
I was collecting
the tax collector
I have been impressed
by the environmental
efforts of the Israeli industry
compared to their environmental
burden which are entirely proportional
The majority was decided by the officials
The officials were wise enough
to scare the ministers
to tell them very frightening stories Some of
It stems from continuous
links between the elected
officials and the limiting bodies in Europe
We have adopted the European
narrative about what is right and
wrong I think we would have
been more decisive faster in the process
In one of the climate summits
The second largest mission in the
world was that of Israel In addition
to Israel's contribution to such
a fund it is only half a percent
Globally speaking that is whether Israel
exists or not the global environment
and climate will not be affected
therefore it needs to be addressed
In a proper climate to deal with
but in my opinion he takes up a very central
place in the department's considerations
on matters
that we need to deal with
In the case of such
parameters as absolutism
we are lagging behind OECD countries
I'll tell you what happens
at the end At the end there is
a company A man had a problem
she went through procedures
Criminals by the way
even with all these
problems at least I can say personally
that the maintenance level there is
very high and the attention is very high
We were a few tough ones
very tough like
the giant oil
spill in the past and there will be such cases for him
But since then
this company has
taken rather
severe measures
Some of them I was surprised when I
was in the position
some of them even
before we came and took it from them
I'll give you the overall picture
The facility at the
end is a receiving terminal
it has the capacity
to receive 30 million tons it
is a receiving
terminal more than
To absorb only 2 million tons
And what I think happened was a
period of decline
in the commercial
activity of Kfar Saba and
naturally it reached 2 million tons
And then they received this situation
and said we are no longer ready
for any summary addition
And let's examine the concept of
summary addition because if we are talking about two-way devices it doesn 't
matter if they are holding devices
30 million tons
you change the 2 million you change the 10 million
you change the 15
the devices are the same devices
The probability of a connection in the
facilities is not at
all relevant and is not
related to how much oil passes through
those facilities it is the same probability
If it's a corona if it's a
micro-arc it doesn't matter what
the amount passing through
there is related to maintenance
About the things themselves
therefore regarding the quantity
and I am familiar with the
analyses and I am familiar with the numbers
regarding the quantity in the dry section
it doesn't matter
If they move 2 million tons or
reach full capacity it's exactly
the same computers the same tubes
everything is exactly the same
This is really it Those
tubes When you
pass through
The devices last longer They
have much more movement much more
supervision and much more control
Although every control method
Raise our thoughts to the heavens
Yusmo meaning the end of the
requirement for them and they are Yusmo mainly according to the API
which is called the
American Petroleum Industry
all the rules are becoming
more and more from them
We knew to demand a request
There was a human error in the boiler
the factory
Let's talk And he
gave his part And that
wasn't okay But we don 't
have any knowledge
of anything that can
be required or not
required regarding
the maritime section
They added another
type of protective
layer that doesn't exist anywhere
else in the world as far as I know
certainly not behind the one in front
They named it a type of defense system
the defense system that decides to come
it is surrounded by a defense
system in a type of defense platform like that
So that if she spilled
oil he was caught
In the defense line
now let's see what'
s in the truck according to a requested
report children the Ministry for the
Environment if there will be a collapse
In a 6-kilometer stretch
on the Jordanian side the
oil will spread over a
length of about 20 kilometers
Now the end of the year in Israel is leading to 2-
3 holidays a
year she asked
to increase it to 10-15
In Jordan 200 oil tankers are transported per year
A large part of the
probability of linking to this is due
to an accident There
are follow-up cases
2 000 flights per year
about 2 000 flights per year
in Israel
the traffic was already before the war
Something like 1990-1980 let's say 200
that is the probabilities
in Israel
approach zero
Regarding what
is happening our
neighbors our
neighbors are draining
our well just like
the end regarding
the water flows there so you ca
Close the end and not completely
eliminate the risk
Moreover there are
talks about a pipe
that will be removed
from the drafts and the Saudi rabbi
Towards the hub
that brought 3
million experiences per day which
means you can have a
significant
impact on the Israeli economy
With the energy of the State of Israel there will be no trouble
and no small danger
in terms of risk and therefore when the
edge came and said
that she is asking for
To define the
number of fillings of
Number Types of knives
A little more than knives
Twice that is done 2
3 3 knives 6 7
I don't see any problem with that
But when this topic came up when I was the director of the Dora
District of the Ministry of
the Environment I felt
that maybe I really felt
that it was actually a policy of the Ministry
The Ministry of the Environment
I have something for you
about everything related
to skip fossil fuels
for the sake of the global climate
we are the only country
In a world that changed the name
of natural gas
to construction gas
in order to tarnish it the use of natural gas in Israel is filling
It led to a dramatic reduction
of iodine yet still they call
it a word a term
with a political
connotation all to promote it
Alternative solutions that
cannot replace
fossil fuels fill
Israel like renewable energies
despite all their problems
We help the problem by having
the stores under
the control of a
single global supplier which is
China and has proven its fairness
In the last war this was
an unstable energy source
And we will continue to use the
current system as long as there are
no more advanced alternatives and
of course there will be nuclear waste
I resigned from the office
Even before she
took office but I
can tell you that
a large part of the
requests are written
and implemented
by the staff who are very loyal
She is very eager in her role very
professional but she
only sees the local
interests and I think the Environmental
Protection Authority
cannot be disconnected
Additional daily interests of the
Israeli mind starting from the need for energy independence one
hand and for this
we want an economy
A thriving industry is booming
Industry in Israel is shrinking
This situation cannot be accepted
Thank you