Getting To Know Paul Mescal

Do you regret at all saying yes to this? Absolutely not. Yeah, you good? I think I'm good. We'll see. We'll see at the end of it. How familiar are you with what we're about to do? I tried to describe it to somebody earlier today and I said it like I knew it and I don't really know what it is, to be honest. We're going to go through a set of questions. Instead of each of us answering each of these questions, you're going to have the opportunity to kind of, you know, reverse me on a few of them where you will answer it. And then ask. And then you can make me answer it too. Okay, so the first pre-question is, you know, you and I have met a few times. I would say we know each other and are friendly. Yeah, we're friendly. Definitely, I agree. So where would you put us on a scale of one to seven? One being strangers and seven being as close as you can possibly get. One being strangers, seven being, I would say three or four. I was going to say a three. Yeah, great. Let's go three. Are you ready? Ready, yeah. Okay, first question. Given the choice of anyone in the world, who would you want to have over as a dinner guest? Anybody in the world? They have to be living. I'll give you dead. But I feel like I, the answer that's coming to my head is, my granddad died when I was young. And I feel like I never really connected with him as an adult because I was an adult when he passed. So I'd probably go with my granddad. He's like the, in terms of close family, he's the person that I feel least, not least connected to, but least connected to as an adult. Do you ever struggle with how much exposure your job demands compared to how private you are in real life? Yes. Yeah, I think we've, like, I think it's a tricky thing because the job requires it. But also, I don't have the capacity for what is asked sometimes. Those two truths are at war with each other sometimes. Before making a telephone call, do you ever rehearse what you're going to say and why? Do I ever? I have, but I don't. I'm a phone caller as a person. Are you a phone, that doesn't count as a nooner. No, you can, yeah, you can have that. I am not a great, like, texter. So I'll regularly communicate things that probably should be communicated over text and phone calls. What makes you a weak texter? Sometimes texts feel like obligations to respond to. You have to open it, you have to read it, you have to consider a response, whereas when you're on the phone to somebody, you kind of are just, if you're, like, fundamentally more anxious leaning, I think phone calling is actually better, which might sound crazy, but I think that is better. I get it with the text. When you see the text, yeah. Better than texting. What would constitute a perfect day for you? Honestly, today, like, we both live around a specific park that I am obsessed with, and I think I'm a winter boy. Like, this morning, I walked around the park for a little bit before I got picked up, and I was like, this is perfect. But that would be the start of the day. And then, it sounds boring to just be like, go home and watch a document, like, do you know that historian David Olashogu? Watch something, I think he's brilliant, or watch a World War II documentary. Maybe not, that wouldn't be in the perfect day. I love history documentaries. Wow. Yeah. I'm just kind of going off on my perfect day now, like, what would I do today? What day of the week is it? You get to dictate that, it's a perfect day. So let's say, Friday, where I'm not called into work, it's winter, out for a walk, layer it up, come back, get a coffee at that specific place we both know. I like that place. Go to that place. Yeah. Then, go back, watch a nature documentary, open a bottle of wine at home, maybe have some friends over, and then go out dancing. And then, on the way back, order, like, five guys. Yeah, like a guilty Uber Eats that would meet you at the door. Yeah, that sounds pretty good to me. Sounds pretty great. When did you last sing to yourself, and when did you last sing to someone else? Singing to somebody? We shot a scene where I was singing to lots of people this week. That counts? That's technically an honest answer, I guess. I sang to myself. Singing to yourself sounds like a weird sentence, doesn't it? I sang for myself. Yeah, in the presence of only yourself. Yeah, on Friday night. What did you sing? I was writing a song, and I was on my own in the house, and I was singing it. Didn't know you were a songwriter. I didn't until a little while. I don't know if I... Well, yeah, I think I... Well, I like writing songs. Oh, wow. So I did a bit of that on Friday. And then, the time before that, probably at home the week beforehand, yeah, with somebody else. It was great. If you were able to live to the age of 90 and retain either the mind or the body of a 30-year-old for the last 60 years of your life, which would you want? Oh, I wouldn't want the mind of a 30-year-old because I assume that, like, I would love to have the body of a 30-year-old in terms of, like, physical capacity and the mind. But are we assuming that, like... I think the question, spiritually, is saying that your mind would have its natural, organic, biological aging process. Like, that's the fear. I would, like, struggle. If I had a healthy 90-year-old's mind, that's kind of the dream because you have the wisdom of the life that has preceded you. And to have the body of a 30-year-old would be great because you'd be able to, like, have physical agency. I think that would be the dream. But having, like... I struggle with the idea of, like, your mind wanting your body to do something and it just can't do it anymore. That's ultimately what's going to happen to all of us. But tough, yeah. It's not a very fun question. No. That's true. In the spirit of not very fun questions, do you have a sacred hunch about how you will die? I remember I said in an interview recently that I, like, don't really see myself as an old person. My dad called me and was like, I wish you wouldn't say that. And I understand what he means in terms of he's right. But I am turning 30 in February and I don't feel good about it. Not to say that that is old. I just don't... I remember being young and seeing, like, my best friend's older brothers and they were, like, 19, 20. I was like, oof. That's the age you want to be. And that's 10 years ago for me now. I don't know how I'm going to die. I can't visualize in spirit of the last question. I can't see myself at 90 years of age. Not to say that it won't happen. I just... I would be surprised. Not in a dark way. I just don't, like... Like, I hope I get there. But I can't see what that looks like. Can you see what 90 would look like? No, but not in a... No, it's not in a morbid sense. It's just like... So much has to happen before that. So much has to happen. And, like, I think maybe I'm nervous about the concept of what has to happen to get to 90. Like, to get to 90 fundamentally means that, like, parents are gone. You're going to lose a lot of friends. Definitely. And this is a very privileged age now, at 29, 30, where you're, of course, confronted by the, like, mortality of loved ones. But it doesn't necessarily feel like a very present thought. That's not true for everybody. That's true for me. I feel very lucky that I haven't experienced, like, very, very close people to me become ill and pass. But I know that hasn't happened for people my age. Of course, you're confronted with the mortality of your parents all the time. And as you get older, that's true. And that's tough. So 90, I'm like, it's going to become thick and fast then. A lot has to happen before 90. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I often think that. Yeah. Name three things you and your conversational partner appear to have in common. Me and you have in common. I think our core relationships, like, maybe, like, are very, very important to us. Like, Alex and romantic partners are very important to us. Yeah. I think what we have in common is we love the same part of the same city. Yeah, definitely. What's another thing that we have in common? I think we're hard workers. It's quite good. They're good, yeah. I was going to say black hoodies. Black hoodies. What? That too. That's optional. For what in your life do you feel most grateful for? I feel very, very lucky with the people that I'm surrounded by. And I feel like it's expanding, actually. Like, the important people. Like, obviously, my family have been steadfast since day one. But I feel like I have a chosen family as well. And I think I'm like a mixture between introverted and extroverted. But I always feel like when I make a new friend or a new important person in my life, I'm like, that's it now. And then someone else will come in. And it's like, I feel very lucky that, like, the circle of people that I love is getting bigger, which is great. I love that. If you could change anything about the way you were raised, what would it be? And weirdly made me sad. I think there's nothing that I would change about the way I was raised. But I would love to take some sort of burden off my parents. Because I think they just loved us under certain pressures that I don't know if I would be able to do. If I could go back in time and just be like, to take some sort of burden from them. Because they worked so hard to give us what we needed. And I don't think we were, not to speak on behalf of myself, but I don't feel like I was grateful enough at the time for that. I think that's true for children generally. It's like you're not aware of the bigger picture until you're suddenly like an adult and you're like, Jesus. Concept of raising a child now. Which I would love to do. But like this idea that like, that's wild to me. Yeah. Born in 1996 in Hollis Street in Dublin. My mum was a policewoman and my dad was a teacher. Grew up in Maynooth. Grew up in a state called Rockfield first. Then I moved to Castle Dawson. I went to two Irish schools growing up. So we would speak Irish in school. Played lots of sport growing up. Thought that I wanted to play Gaelic football as an adult. Went on stage. Did Phantom of the Opera when I was 16. Fell in love with being on stage. Went to drama school. Nearly dropped out of drama school. Loved drama school. Fell in love with acting. Really lucky and jumped into a career that was like willing to accept me and took me in with open arms. Fell in love, fell out of love. Mum got sick. And like extraordinary things were happening in my life around a time that was like very full professionally. I feel very lucky that all of those things did happen. Landed in a city that I didn't love initially with people that I love. And we all seem to have gathered in the same place in the city by accident. That's kind of where I'm at now. Quite well done for 60 seconds I thought. In the back of my head my brain is going how many seconds is that? By the way you're about a third of the way through. Really? You're doing very well. Are we going too fast do you think? No there's no such thing as too fast or too slow. If you could wake up tomorrow having gained one quality or ability what would it be? Patience for sure. I'm not patient at all. Like do you know when you come across people who've like meditated regularly? You give off patient vibes. You calm vibes. I also don't like the word vibes and I used it twice there. But you give off like a patient energy. I don't think I'm patient. I never would have thought that about you. I think yeah. People who know me will know that like I'm not particularly patient. Emotionally impatient? I think I'm relatively good in like a crisis. I'm patient in like in relation to other people but I'm not patient at like work. I'm not patient on a day to day. I'm not good in a queue. I'm not good at like sitting still for too long. Or like if somebody says that something's going to take half an hour and it takes 40 minutes. Or if you're on a like an example of this would be say you are driving home from work and nine times out of ten it takes 35 minutes and then you look at Google Maps and it's 42 minutes. That drives me nuts. I'm not driving the car to somewhere. I will Google Maps how long it's going to take home to get home. And when it like if it goes from like 35 minutes to 38 and it's like plus seven minute delay. I'd be like let's just take this. Wow. Yeah not great. Also I think you're quite a fast walker. I am a fast walker yeah. You've always been a fast walker. Yeah I think so. My mum's a very fast walker. I quite admire that. That's a good trait. If a crystal ball could tell you the truth about yourself, your life, the future or anything else what would you want to know? I want I'll answer this but I want it in a reverse to buy me time. What would you how would you answer that? Do you know what? I would say that life I like not knowing everything that's going to happen. I really like conspiracy theories. And like there's probably some alien-y stuff that you could pass the crystal ball that's quite cool. But I would probably use the crystal ball opportunity to like I'd say there's some things that I've been holding off doing a little bit. Right. That would be more immediate. Yeah if there was if there was some like reassurance from the crystal ball. If the crystal ball could act like as a bit of a artist's therapy and be like yeah you should you know that thing would work out. I'd probably use that to push through some reluctance I have in certain parts of my life. Particularly in art. Yeah the one that was jumping into my head there when you were talking was like will I my good answer is yes but like will I be acting forever? Is the question that I have because I love it but I feel like it's very demanding. I want to have a kind of like artistic output for forever but I I think it needs to be something other than acting for me to sustain that. So that's what I would ask. Would you be relieved if the crystal ball is like no you won't be acting forever? No. Because that means other stuff will have happened? No I actually that's interesting. I want I would want the crystal ball to say yes but it won't only be acting. So almost like a relief like oh wow I pursued other stuff as well. Yeah and then I'd be like what is it? What is the other thing? I feel like you get one thing from the ball though. It feels greedy to ask more than one thing from the crystal ball. Then the question would be will I be acting for forever and if not what else will it be that I will be doing? Okay you can hedge like it's just everyone else will judge you not me. You won't get any judgment from me though. In what ways do you most feel misunderstood? That I'm generally sad. I don't think I'm sad. I think when I first met you I thought he's so funny and playful. I'm glad that you thought that. Yeah I thought you'd be quite serious before I met you and then. No I don't I think I'm I don't I would never describe myself as funny. I love when other people do. I'm like yes I think people have a maybe an assumption that is tied to work. I'm a little bit bored of it to be honest. The sad thing? If it was true I'd be like that's that's great. I also just think I don't understand how we as an audience absorb music art films anymore. I think we're very drawn which we spoke about earlier this concept of compartmentalizing ideas or themes and then placing them on an actor. And then also this like whole concept of like fan bases. Fandom. It's so insane to me. Do you know there's loads of actors out there that you don't have to like tie yourself to one entity. Like it'd be like just listening to one band and then refusing to listen to anybody else. And I think that that is becoming easier for people to do because of visibility and internet and kind of the culture of the internet. There's maybe an assumption that I am sad and I don't think it's true. But having said that I am drawn to grief and love and depression in work because I think it's something that I definitely connect to and it's true for me in moments and I do feel an artistic compulsion to express that. And I feel like I'm good at that. But I don't think that it is all the same color and like a film like Hamlet is a very different color to one of After Sun or normal people or even something like Streetcar which maybe you wouldn't see as like something that's fundamentally sad straight away. It's actually I think the saddest piece of work that I've been involved in. I don't think I'm sad. I don't think people might think I'm sad. It's good to get that on the record. Get that on the record. And Adam said that I was funny. You were quite funny and fun. Folks. Yeah yeah it's real. It's kind of tied back to a previous question. Is there something that you've dreamed of doing for a long time? Why haven't you done it? Maybe it's not a small dream. I would love to go on a long backpacking holiday in South America and I haven't done it because I haven't had the time. I was talking to someone recently about maybe carving out time to do that. Like six weeks. No plan. One backpack. Go. You haven't had six weeks? That's true. I have had six weeks. Why haven't you done it? I haven't done it. I think the truth is I've had six weeks but it's always been in preparation for another job. Like it's time spent between jobs. Like the maximum amount of time I've ever had is like eight, nine weeks. And half of it, if I was to do eight, nine weeks off, three of those would be like in bed recovering and then the next six weeks would be preparing for the next thing. Can I gently challenge? Yeah. That was so sweet. Of course you can. Very gently. Do you think any part of it is like... We've spent so much of today exploring like projection of other people. But do you think any of it to do with an actor's anxiety of like the next job, where it's going to come from? I don't have that, I think. You just genuinely haven't had six weeks to go to South America? I've had it before, this feeling of like next job. And the fear that I do have is one of not personally desired, but being desired by an audience for the work that I do. But I'd be lying if I said that I was worried here, sitting here about being employed, because I haven't had that experience since I've graduated from drama school. And that's one of great privilege, but it's not one. And as a result of that, I'm not sitting here. I do have a panic that like suddenly everybody's going to think I'm ******* ---- up my job and then it'll disappear. But not in a kind of tangible... Not if you like go away, you're going to miss an audition or some call is going to come in. No, in fact that's... And also I haven't... Maybe the reason I didn't want to do it is because I really enjoyed the rhythm that I've been working at. And I think that process began when I was 23 and I'm now turning 30. And it is that thing of like, oh, I can feel myself wanting to slow down a bit more and certain priorities come in where I spend my time. And whether that's with my family, with my partner or with friends, I've never had a desire to really spend my time anywhere else other than work up until this point. So maybe that's actually the answer why I haven't done that yet. And now I do have a desire to not spend my time necessarily in a rehearsal room or on set. The act of choice being that I do want to be there and I do want to do it. And then after that, it's like spending time elsewhere. And how I spend that is maybe around South America. If that happens for you. So do I. What's the greatest accomplishment of your life? That's hard. I don't know. I, there's so many things that come to my mind with that. I'm very proud of when I first started working. I don't know if I was a particularly good friend. Like in terms of how much time I, like I would just disappear. I would just like, not like, I would just like not. And I think I'm very proud of not in terms of the friend that I am now, but the journey that I've gone on with that and been like, oh, I actually show up more than I have before. You feel more present. I think the thing that I'm proudest of, I think I'm very proud of how I show up in my relationships. I think I'm very proud of how I show up with my family, my friends and with my partner. There's obviously like accomplishments that like relate to career. The thing that I feel most proud of in my career is actually the relationships. Because I think that the reason that certain like tangible accomplishments have come out of those things are because of like actually fundamentally loving the people that I made it with. I have a real world, real life love for Jesse Buckley, for Josh O'Connor, for Andrew Scott, for people that I've worked with. I absolutely love them. And I think that's a big, I've kind of waffled that answer. But I think the biggest accomplishment of my life is who I love and who loves me. That's probably the biggest accomplishment. That's a really good answer. That's really cool. I want to ask you that. What's your greatest accomplishment? That's definitely the deepest question I think so far. They actually meant to get heavier as they go. I would say that there's like very tangible things in my life that are like clear accomplishments. How do you feel about accomplishments? Because I'm proud of like actually certain like tangible accomplishments. But like how do you feel about like receiving those? I like it. It feels really good at the time. But I would say that I put them in the rear view mirror very quickly. And I have a big issue with like, I've never been good at marking the occasion. I think the great accomplishment of my life is, like if you zoomed out, is probably to be here now like this. My family for many generations was in the south of Iraq as these, we're very, very teensy tiny ethnic minority. Been very persecuted over the years. And for my parents to have in just one generation, gone to Australia, had all that ambition, poured it into that. You talked about parenting earlier. It's like for them to have accomplished all that, warts and all, flaws and all, however it had to happen, is like a miracle unto itself. And I still think it's just like, it's crazy how much happened to our family in one generation. So almost just being here. When did your parents move to Australia? Oh, they moved in the 80s. Wow. Late 80s. That's an amazing transition from that. They are so ambitious. Yeah. And however much I accomplished, I will never match their accomplishments because it's, you can't fathom the scale. They're not even from Iraq's biggest city. They're not from the capital. They're from the 10th biggest city in Iraq, Nazaria. To go from Nazaria to where we are today in this house, I might not get to talk about art. But where does that sit with your greatest accomplishment? I know, I feel like part of my journey is trying to put out work or build a life that honours their sacrifice and their own ambition. And I feel like I'm starting to do that. Yeah, that's amazing. And if you look at my life holistic, I feel pretty good about it. Yeah, yeah. But yeah, I'd say more tangible on paper. They're really cool. And there's a few that have happened to me, but I moved past them pretty quickly. I know, I think that's... It's a bad habit. I don't know if it's a bad habit. I think it's a bad habit if you're consciously refusing to accept the fact that it's something that maybe makes you proud or that you're... But I also think you can dwell on past successes in a way that hinders you moving forward sometimes. I know some people like that. Yeah. Can I say something about your answer? Yeah. I would say it's also a little bit of a miracle that you're the way you are, at least from what I know of you. I was sat at a dinner a few years ago next to an actor who's, let's say, a generation or two above you. Yeah. Who has had an incredible career. And I would say he was particularly white-hot in a certain period of the 90s. Right. Who wasn't? Who the **** wasn't? Spill the beans. Come on. And I said to him, you know what? It's like, it's crazy how cool you are. Because if I or any other person I know had been in that white-hot center of your career at that period of time, I'm pretty sure I would have turned into a monster. I would have been the biggest piece of ----. And he laughed. He laughed. I'm like, why are you laughing? He said, because I was a monster. He was, wasn't he? And then he came out. And he kind of pulled it back in. Wow. And I think whenever I meet someone like you or quite a few of your peers in London, I would say. Yeah. It's a good generation of artists. But I'm always impressed by how level-headed you all are. And you could be such a piece of ----. And I'm pretty sure you're not. This is the thing. I'm sure there's people in the world that think I'm a piece of ---- or that you're a piece of ----. Definitely. All of that is true. And I think the mistake that I made before was that I believed people that had no access to my life or who I was. To be fair, I haven't been privy to people actually thinking that. But I think it's a mistake to assume that some people don't. And I do feel very, like, that's kind of tied to the accomplishment. I think the greatest accomplishment that I feel is that the people that I know love me are the people that I admire most in the world. That means something. I'm doing something right and that is happening. It's like, how do you receive somebody saying, I'm surprised because I don't think this is what you're saying. But ultimately, the point is. I'm surprised you don't suck. That I don't suck. I've come across probably, out of all the people that I've worked with, crazy talented, crazy astronomically famous people. And I can count, there's one person that I think is not particularly good. Who was it? But I've met, do you know what I mean? Yeah, you've met a lot of people. I think I've met a lot of people who, from an outsider's perspective, you would assume have the world at their feet. And they do in certain instances. It's an amazing privilege. And even that person that I wasn't particularly impressed by, they weren't the cartoon monster that I think people think exists within this industry. They definitely exist. Yeah, I think they're a rarer bird than we think they are. Yeah, which I'm grateful for. Can you imagine going to work every day and that's what you're surrounded by? It's either going to wash off on you or you're going to run away from the job that you love. I continue to think that it's a miracle any time I meet someone like you. It's relatively adjusted. I think it's parents as well. Family goes a long way. Do you feel comfortable getting morbid again? Probably. If you knew that you would die in one year's time, would you change anything about the way you are now living? If I was to die in a year's time, I probably would pull out of the job. I would not be on set. If I knew I was going to die in a year, ooh, but I would miss- You're going to call Sam Mendes and be like, do you know what, I'm loving this, but I'm actually going to die within a year. All the best, Paul McCartney. No, but then at the same time, it's the question of would I want to live life as normal? And my gut is that I would want to continue. I feel really happy in my life at the moment, like really the happiest I've been. So I think I'd probably stick with it. I dig that. Because you might go and be like, okay, I'm going to do this experience. I might just be walking around the park the whole time. For Frosty Park. Frosty Park. Actually, I'd continue life as normal. Yeah. I respect that. If you're going to become a close friend with someone, share what would be important for them to first know about you. I think I can be intense with- I don't know. What would I first want them to know? I like that answer. I think I would be intense. I think- Where do you have to like, what kind of intensity? The big relationships in my life. New friends have come in. They're big and they're like- It's intense and then it will calm down. I'll warn them that I'd be pretty intense in terms of, I don't know, meeting Harris and Joe. I knew Joe from before, but it's been a very intense- They're very important, intense relationships to me. And new friends that have come in in the last year. I think I can be intense and I freak out about it a little bit internally. But how does it manifest? Are you like, I haven't spoken to you today. Yeah, yeah. Just like- What are you doing? Yeah. When did you last cry in front of another person? Oh, I don't know. I remember one of the more recent times was- What month are we in now? We're in, I think it was around September. September this year. I probably cried more recently than that, but that's the one that I remember. Nothing more to add on that one. It's completely fine. Yeah. What, if anything, is too serious to be joked about? I think there's many things that are too serious to be joked about. And I think it depends on who's saying it and why they're saying it. I don't know. I think there's obviously subjects, but I'm actually more interested in why people are interested in finding comedy in things that are traumatic for people. I'm like, if you're smart enough to make a joke about that, there's way easier territory for you. I'm suspicious of that as a psychology. I'm like, go somewhere else with your genius and find something that is more accessible and less- Maybe the danger is the thing that they're drawn to. I don't know specifically. People's heritage, I'm not really into as a- As a bit? As a bit. It's a rich history of heritage-based bits, I suppose. Yeah, it's pretty expansive. But anything like that. Anything that people feel connected to or proud of as part of their being. And if you kind of insult that or attack that, that for me would be the territory that I'm like, maybe it's not too serious, but do you know what I mean? Yeah, I do know what you mean. I feel like this kind of plays back to your friendship, loyalty. I'd quite like you in a corner. I'm good in a corner, I don't care. Another way of saying the same thing, what's something people would be surprised to learn you take very seriously? What do I take very seriously? I take baseball very seriously now. What? I know. I take it very seriously. I got into a recent- Major League Baseball? Major League Baseball. What? It's true. Like the last year, went to my first Major League Baseball game at Fenway Park. Red Sox fan. Red Sox fan, yeah. Irish connection, Boston? No, partner connection. Huge, like right down on the, what's it called? Like right beside the- Diamond? The diamond, like right by the dugout. Right by the dugout. But I was into it before. Like I watched the highlights on my phone every morning in the chair. Didn't just think to watch cricket or- No, cricket's less interesting to me. Yeah, I'm big Red Sox boy. That's something, I think that's relatively surprising. Can follow up with that another time. Goodness, revelations. Okay, we got through it. Yeah. I feel like you did a lot of heavy lifting there. Not sure if we were truly connected to the original intention of the exercise. But to follow back up, where would you put us on a scale of one to seven? One being strangers, seven being as close as you can possibly get. We said three to begin with. I feel for sure more than three. I feel four. Yeah, comfortable four. Like comfortable four. I would say there were moments where it was five-ish, but they were brief. No, I mean like four, like I feel like definitely there was like some six, seven moments in there for me in terms of what was expressed. But I think overall, like is the question related to us generally? I think we've gotten closer as a result for sure. Do you feel like you met your own expectations in terms of like- Yeah, probably exceeded them in certain moments. Yeah, I feel- How do you feel about it? Like I said, we spent a lot of today speaking about and exploring like projections- Yeah. Onto talent and what fandom means and public and private eye. I feel like we tried to construct this environment where you're literally in my home. Totally. I know. There's a lot of people in my house. That's so nice. I think it was really fun to try- But it's true. It's like it sets you up in a public- It removes the public side of something that has to be that. Like it is ultimately an interview, but it helps. Wrapping it up. Thanks for your time. After like we've talked about death. Thanks for your time. I had a great time hearing your thoughts on death. And we're just going to sit here and contemplate death. Yeah, I think we could just like gradually turn off the lights.