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Why would Baldoni's team fight so hard to make her testimony public? If she was supporting Blake, they would not do that. Hi and welcome to Flossum Talk. I'm Sashti Floor, journalist, Hollywood truth teller, and your voice of reason in a town built on delusion. Happy Friday, everyone. And just a quick reminder before I start, if you haven't subscribed yet, please do and hit the notification bell so you never miss an episode of Flossum Talk. And also check if you've been unsubscribed because that also happens a lot for some weird reason. All right, Baldoni's team has responded to Isabella Ferrer. As you know, she wrote a letter to the judge the other day saying that you can't make my testimony public because I'm a working actress and it might harm my professional life and it will be intrusive of my privacy. Well, I don't think the judge is going to listen. And when you hear what Baldoni's team is saying here, it is so clear to me that Isabella Ferrer's testimony is not supporting Blake. Also, more text messages have been unsealed from what's been going on behind the scenes between these publicists and crisis PR people. And it's terrible. It just shows how unethical and dishonest people are, to be honest with you. But it also shows how Leslie Sloan, Blake's publicist, was leaking to the press where she said, amongst other things, that Brandon Sklunar in particular had a problem with Justin. Also, according to some new sources, it was evident that Blake was trying to flirt with Justin. And it's interesting to hear the psychiatrist witness expert talking about how Blake was so obviously attracted to Justin. And she's also wondering how long Ryan is going to support his wife. I think we know the answer to that by now. Also, I wanted to remind everyone that you can go to DocketUpdates.com. It's an amazing website because a lot of people reach out to me and say, hey, can you go through things again? Because there's so many players here. Everything is kind of confusing. We don't remember who's who anymore. If you want to refresh your memory, you can go on DocketUpdates.com. All the depositions are there, the names and pictures of people. It's so well done. You can also look at video footage. Everything is there. This website is made by volunteers. And if you want to buy them a coffee and help them continue their amazing work. Okay, so let's get into this letter from Baldoni's team here. Kevin Fritz, who is one of the attorneys that we really, really like on Baldoni's team. He always has the best responses. He's always straight to the point. There's no BS. And again, he's doing a great job here. He's telling the judge why Isabella Ferrer's deposition or testimony should not be hidden from the public. As you know, the other day she wrote a letter and she said to the judge, hey, you can't show my testimony because I talk about the intimate scenes in the movie and those are really personal to me. And also I'm a working actress, blah, blah, blah. And I need special treatment here. She also claims that the Wayfair parties dragged her into this litigation and she didn't want to be part of it. Well, now here's the truth coming from Baldoni's camp, where they're pointing out that Isabella Ferrer was already deposed and subpoenaed by Blake Lively. And she was also mentioned in Blake Lively's lawsuit. Blake made a big deal about how Isabella Ferrer felt unsafe on the set of It Ends With Us. And she's mentioning one of the scenes that Justin Baldoni came up to her after this intimate scene was filmed and said that, I have to say, this was really hot. Did you guys practice beforehand? I don't know if I believe that actually happened, but anyways. And to refresh everyone's memory, when Justin tried to subpoena her, which is his right to do because she is a witness for Blake, so he has the right to depose her. So when he tried to subpoena her, she claimed that he was harassing her because he couldn't get hold of her and because her attorney refused to actually accept the subpoena. So then she said, he's harassing me, he's stalking me, and the press made a big deal about it. It looked terrible. Of course, all the headlines were that Justin Baldoni is harassing another woman. And then what happened was quite interesting because then Baldoni's team said, hey, we don't need to use Isabella Ferrer at all. We don't need to depose her unless if Blake agrees that she won't use her as a witness either. Then Blake said, no, we can't do that. We want Isabella Ferrer to be a witness. So then they decided again to keep Isabella Ferrer a part of this lawsuit. So as Fritz is saying here in his letter, he says that the motion contends that sealing is appropriate because according to Ms. Ferrer, her deposition testimony contains sensitive details regarding the filming of intimate scenes and the religious affiliation of another non-party who is not involved in this litigation. I don't know that non-party who that is, but she's saying that this information is so sensitive because it's part of the scene. And then Mr. Fritz is pointing out here that the scene that she's pointing to is already in the movie and the film was distributed everywhere. So everyone can go and watch that if they want to. So what about that is so sensitive to Ms. Ferrer? He's also saying here that there is no details or graphic details about that scene in her testimony. The only things that she was asked in her deposition were about rehearsals of the scene, whether she was or was not concerned about anything that occurred during such rehearsals, whether the scene was filmed or not, and her comments to the film's intimacy coordinator following the filming of the scene, as I showed before, there's an interview of Isabella Ferrer where she's talking about how she felt so safe and so comfortable. I mean, we had a phenomenal intimacy coordinator, Lizzie, she's worked on Bridgerton before, so she was extra, extra careful with us at all times, but also there was just a lot of communication and check-ins and making sure like, how are you feeling? How's it going? And it can get tiring, but it was a great process, honestly. She also sent a text to Justin Baldoni where she said that she felt so comfortable and he created such a safe space. So of course she was asked about that text, I can imagine, in this deposition, and she couldn't really come up with a good answer, and that's what I think happened here. Remember, Isabella is young, she's not seasoned, this is her first big movie, and also something that I realized when I was looking at her IMDb page is that she's saying she's a working actress, she hasn't done anything since It Ends With Us, and she has nothing in the pipeline. So I really wouldn't go that far to call her a working actress when she hasn't had a movie in like three years. I think what happened here is that Isabella agreed to help Blake, but she didn't understand the consequences of this support. She did not think this through, that she would have to sit probably maybe in front of Justin Baldoni, because I think he is allowed to be at her deposition and watch her defend herself against her own words, and she didn't think that through, that that would be the scenario here. And if she's saying contradictive things in Blake's deposition and Justin's deposition, that's just terrible for her. I think that Isabella probably caved and she was honest in her deposition, and she does not want us to see that, because otherwise why would Baldoni's team fight so hard to make her testimony public? If she was supporting Blake, they would not do that. You also have to remember that Blake and Isabella didn't have any scenes together. She was playing the younger version of Blake here, so they didn't really meet until after, until they started doing promotion together. And all of a sudden, Isabella Ferrer unfollows Justin Baldoni and takes a distance from it, and never mentioned him in any interviews. I mean, it's wild, you know? I mean, not only Blake Lively, I mean, you're phenomenal, but also to be a young Lily. I feel like that is a disservice too, because in the movie, she's not doing me, she's bringing herself to the role as a young Lily. Yeah, let's see what the judge says here, you guys. I'm sure that he's going to allow this to become public, because it is important to Justin's case, because Blake has portrayed Isabella as another victim, and if Isabella is contradicting that in her testimony, that's important for everyone to know, including you and me. Okay, so let's get to these text messages. I was reading through them this morning, and I was like, wow, this never ends. These people are just backstabbing each other, they're unethical, they're hiding things from each other. I don't think this is a good look at all. And you know, I want Justin Baldoni to win this, but I think some of the players here are not really honest people. So this is a text exchange between Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan. Melissa Nathan is a crisis expert that Justin hired after there was so much, after all the rumors started surfacing in the press, and Jennifer Abel is his publicist that he had working for him throughout this entire thing. Jennifer Abel at that point was working for Stephanie Jones' company, she then left the company, and Stephanie Jones is now suing her, and she's also suing Stephanie Jones for taking her phone and the content of her phone and giving it to Blake Lively, who gave it to New York Times. Just a quick recap there. Anyway, so this exchange between Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan, here they're talking about how Leslie Sloan planted a story in the New York Post, and they're quoting Leslie Sloan here, who is the source of this article, saying that Blake Lively was given final edit approval on It Ends With Us to make the movie more feminine, according to sources. More feminine, a dig at Baldoni, obviously. The star and the rest of the cast are not speaking to director and co-star Justin Baldoni, and Brandon Sklenar particularly has a problem with him, we are told. So here they're trying to plant a seed, or Leslie is, according to Melissa Nathan, that Brandon Sklenar had an issue with Justin. We don't know what that issue is supposed to be, and as we've seen from Justin's text messages back and forth, he was in shock when Brandon Sklenar all of a sudden unfollowed him on Instagram, and he was like, well, that was the end of that bromance. He said something like that, and so far we haven't heard anything from Brandon Sklenar that he had any issues with Justin. Anyways, they also quote here saying that, although not greenlit as we predicted, there will now be a battle over the it start with us, as Baldoni owns the rights to the film, but due to the rift with Lively, it's unknown what will happen yet. A source said, there were two edits, and the studio went with a more feminine edit. Blake had the rights to do that, she had final edit approval, which is basically a lie. She didn't have final edit approval, she just took final edit approval. She was just an actress in this movie, she made herself a producer, but no one has final edits over a director of a movie. That's just unheard of, okay? Then Jennifer Abel says in a text here, Leslie is working overtime, and she wasn't given a final edit approval. She said she wouldn't promote the film if it wasn't one that she could personally get behind. In other words, if it wasn't her edit, even though Justin scored hired in the focus group screenings. Yeah, you know that Justin's version was more popular in screenings than Blake's version, but Sony gave in to Blake's pressure, because she pressured them as well and said, I won't promote this movie unless I get my version of the movie out there. Then comes an interesting part here, because they talk about that article in the Hollywood Reporter, where they did a story that Melissa Nathan was hired by Justin as his crisis manager. Justin did not appreciate that that became public, because he felt people would judge him for that, and that it would start speculations online that he had something to hide, and that's why he hired Melissa Nathan. Melissa had already represented Johnny Depp, and her name was out there, and when this article hit, it really freaked Justin out. In this text exchange, they talk about this article, Jennifer Abel and Melissa Nathan, and Melissa Nathan pretends that she's surprised by this article. She's like, oh, I had no idea about this, so this is terrible, blah, blah, blah, how are we going to handle this? Well, we know that she already knew about it, because as I said the other day, when I was reading from Justin Baldoni's deposition, he was told and shown evidence by Blake Lively's team that Melissa Nathan already knew that that article was coming out, and she also spoke to the Hollywood Reporter on background here. She had leaked these to her circle, and they had planted that story in the Hollywood Reporter. Then this exchange shows that everyone else started picking up this story, and it really added fuel to the fire that there was a big conflict of the set of with us, and this really harmed Justin's reputation at this time, because it did actually make people start speculating. This is from Justin's deposition, where Blake Lively's attorney is informing him about what happened here, where they're asking Justin, did Melissa Nathan ever tell you that she in fact was responsible for the leak that culminated in this story? She never did, Justin said. Did she ever tell you that she was lying to you when she thought, when she told you that she was incredibly frustrated by this? She did not. Did she ever tell you when she said, I know someone placed this, that she actually knew who placed it? She obviously did not, Justin said. Did she ever tell you that it was one of her friends? And then they flipped the page here, blah blah blah, so they can show him more evidence of this, and then he reads from a text here, I told our friend Josh that Melissa is a boss and has a cool client. Josh told his wife, who is a very prominent publicist, Sarah somehow told the Hollywood Reporter, and now they're doing a story on Melissa. Blake's attorney is showing him this, saying, you understand this is how the Hollywood Reporter got this story, and Justin says, it appears that is what Amy is saying, and then he's showing another text message here, saying, from Melissa, saying, just checking in to see if I need to look out for this article, and if so, when. Then Pam, her friend says, was just texting you, story is very fair and going soon. Melissa says, thank you, and then he's asking Justin, were you aware that Melissa had spoken to the Hollywood Reporter on background? And he says, no, I wasn't. Then he also asked Justin, were you aware that Melissa and her friends were boasting and joking about how good this article was going to be for Melissa at the time? I wasn't aware of this, Justin says. To me, this is really sad, and as I said the other day, these are things that can be used against Melissa Nathan in that other lawsuit against Rebel Wilson. As you know, she's also representing, or she was doing crisis management for Rebel Wilson, who's also being sued for defamation and retaliation. So I think at this point, Justin must be so disappointed in some of these people that he trusted, and when you see these text messages, everyone is talking ---- about each other, behind each other's backs. It's just terrible. The only people we haven't seen done that is Justin and Jamie. They're not talking behind anyone's backs. Okay, let's get into these new sources talking about the chemistry between Justin and Blake, and how Blake was falling for Justin, and how this witness expert in psychiatry is confirming that Blake was attracted to her co-star. But before we get into that, I wanted to thank the two sponsors of this video, Roe and Ari. Taking care of yourself isn't just about a certain look. It's about feeling better in your body and getting support when you actually need it. 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We have to talk about this new report from Rob Schroeder, who's been talking to some insiders here, who's claiming that Blake was attracted to Justin, and that there was a lot of flirting going on. He's saying here that a source tells me that when Blake Lively and Justin Baldoni first met to discuss her taking the role in It Ends With Us, it started as business, but their chemistry was undeniable from the very first minutes. They hit it off immediately, and the insider says there was lots of playful flirting going on, enough to make Ryan Reynolds shift uncomfortably in his chair. There was a spark, a playfulness, one source said. Everyone noticed, including Ryan. Then came the moment that sealed the deal. Baldoni shared a personal detail about himself, yes, his circumcision, during a discussion after Lively's unborn son. Blake agreed to the role after that conversation, they're pointing out. She literally signed on after he got that personal, and he says here that another insider says that they were close, too close. It had energy, intimacy, tension, the flirting was obvious, and a friend of the couple wonders aloud, is this why Ryan seems to be going after Justin now? Did Blake get too close, and is this all about jealousy? Some people think Ryan is making him pay for that first connection with his wife. There's nothing really new here. These speculations have been going on for a while. I don't believe Justin was attracted to Blake for a minute. She is definitely not his type, but I do think that Blake was attracted to him, and I do think that Ryan was threatened by that. I just wanted to remind people of this text message that Blake sent to Justin in regards to that rooftop scene, and the wording she's using here, and I can imagine if Ryan saw this text, he would not be happy. So she said to Justin, I can send you my pass at the roof, or just read with you when we get together next week. My pass at the roof, by the way, she's lying here because it was Ryan who wrote that scene, and she admitted that later. Let me know what you prefer. If you knew me in person longer, you'd have a sense of how flirty and yummy the ball-busting would play. It's my love language. Spicy and playful. Bold, never with teeth. And him serving it back to her, talking about the characters, is just as important. You don't usually see both the man and the woman with such agency and humor. Anyway, I can act it out for you next week to make sure it comes through, or I can send it now. Let me know what you prefer. XX Justin responds, sorry, was just crying my eyes out as kids and family just left for another five weeks, and it was a ---- show. Heart, heart. He is not buying into her flirtatious love language at all. He's just talking about his family. He's definitely rejecting her. And when you read this, this is not coming from a woman who feels that her work environment is unsafe. Just saying. You wouldn't write this, and also you wouldn't invite someone, as I said so many times, you wouldn't invite someone up to your home, up to your personal space, if you feel that, if you feel unsafe around them. Anyways, this reminded me of this video. I've shown this before, but I wanted to remind people of what this psychiatrist expert witness said to Sky News. She was interviewed there, I think it was about seven months ago, after that dancing scene came out, and after Blake Lively withdrew her claims against Justin for emotional distress. Remember that? She said that it wasn't worth it for her because she didn't want to show her medical records, because she obviously doesn't have any medical records of her being distressed because of the situation, so she decided to drop those charges. Anyways, this expert witness, after watching that video, this is what she said. So basically she was trying to say that he came on to her in this movie. Now he's married, not that married men don't come on to women, but he seems happily married, and really what I think happened is that she was got into her character, and I think she was starting to fall for him. And she was very uncomfortable with that possibility, because of course she's married, and that made her all very uncomfortable. And so at the end, she just decided to blame him for sexual harassment, rather than facing and acknowledging her own feelings. And I wonder if her husband, how much longer he's going to stay supporting her, because this is just really blown up. Yes, Dr. Carol Lieberman says that Blake fell for Justin, and that's exactly what I think happened here as well. And of course, on top of that, Ryan felt there was something there. And as I also said a couple of months ago, when I was interviewing Rick Feddick, the photographer that Ryan put in jail for taking a photo, that story is so crazy. Anyways, he said that some of his paparazzi friends who were there at the set of It Ends With Us, taking photos, confirmed that Ryan was on set a lot, and he went into Blake Lively's trailer once, they were yelling and screaming, and he left really angry and slammed the door behind him. So yes, all of it is coming together now, and as I said before, I can't wait for all of this evidence to get unsealed later this month. And what we've seen so far from Judge Lyman, a lot of people think he's been biased towards Blake, but one thing that I noticed with him is that he is very pro-transparency, and he's been ruling a lot to make things public, so I think he will continue down that road, which means that we get to see almost everything. 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