5 BOWHUNTING TIPS (Wish We Knew SOONER!!)

Morning everybody. It's a beautiful morning out here in Iowa. I just walked out here in my parents driveway to shoot this intro for this video, but today's video is going to be about five bow hunting tips that we wish we knew sooner. So we're going to cover stuff from keeping your bow maintained, taking high percentage shots, and we'll even dive into a little bit of strategy in this video. So stay tuned for the video. We'll be talking about quite a few different things and hopefully there's some information in here that you'll find useful. These are all things that we got together and brainstormed as a group of tips that we wish we knew sooner, just from our experiences out in the field bow hunting for deer. So hope you guys enjoy the video. Let's get to it. Achoo! What a... Oh my god. That's cool. That's so cool. Alright, on this tip we're going to talk about picking the right setup. And we're going to separate this into two different categories and that's ground setups and then tree setups or tree stand setups. This first one we're going to show you an example of some trees that we're looking at whenever we're trying to make a setup. We've got lots of different examples of this over the years. We try to film this in the videos sometimes to show you guys what the setup looks like from the deer's perspective. Me and Ted are standing on a trail right here that's leading over there to our little waterhole where Colby and the decoy are at. Deer's broadside on this trail walk into that water and we've got three, four different tree options down through here. This first one probably wouldn't be the best choice because it's like a telephone pole almost. There's no limbs on it. It's pretty small. A lot of big thorns on it too. You probably wouldn't want to climb up that one. Yeah, I mean it's just not ideal. You're going to get seen and you're going to get stuck. The ones behind it though are kind of interesting where you've got those two oak trees, those two bigger ones. They've got a lot of limbs and up there about 15 feet up there's a fair amount of horizontal cover. So you've got limbs that are coming off left and with leaves on them. Now in the fall, depending on what time you hunt, those leaves may or may not be there. So you got to take that into account right now. But with all of those trunks up there and even the two bigger trunks, you could set up on the front of that tree and be pointed right at this trail with good back cover and horizontal cover to break up your outline. I feel like one thing that sticks out to me about those three trees right there is you'd have some cover with those trees to be able to draw if a deer was coming down this trail. Yeah, that's a good point because if you set up at that back one right there, that back trunk, you have those two that are in front. You know, say the wind's blowing from here to your tree. Ideally, any deer that's coming across right here, you've got all of that cover in between you and the deer. So down there you draw. Deer walks right here. You're hitting and you got an easy 18 yard shot. You can see the difference between a setup like that and if you look over to that tree that's right in the middle there. It's wide open in the background. You got skyline right behind it where if you climbed up that one, you'd be sticking out like a sore thumb. So anytime you're back down there in the woods, you're looking at all those woods and all those other trees for back cover and even the tree canopy. Yeah. But when you're on along the edge of a field, you got to be real careful with deer coming from the timber behind you because in that case, they're going to bust the heck out of you. There might be a few of them along that edge that work, but you're going to have to be real careful with your cover. Always think about it. The easiest way to do this in my mind is always think about it from the deer's perspective where they're at on the trail. I mean, if you're not, if you don't want to get sent all over the trail, a lot of times you can at least walk up to it and look back at the setup. We do that all the time, whether we're turkey hunting or deer hunting or hunting on the ground or in a tree. We're always trying to get some idea of what the perspective is from the animal, the incoming animal. I feel like as you do it more and more, a lot of times when we're out there, we'll be looking around for a tree and it might take us a while to find one, but then once we find the tree, we usually agree like, okay, yeah, that's the tree to get in. So over time, you just get a little bit better at it and you'll figure it out as you go and it'll be easier to pick the right one. I feel like let's look at some ground setups down in the woods here. All right, now we'll talk about setting up on the ground and looking for a horizontal ground cover. Ted did this one time. He built himself a fort in the woods and shot a giant buck. Yeah, we hunt out of ground setups a lot of the time. I mean, I'd say it's probably 50-50 something, 50% in the tree, 50% on the ground. Yeah, the hunt in Missouri when me and Jake shot that big buck in 2018, we had seen a bunch of deer going along the same trail and so we decided to get down there because they were all going downwind of us. So we had to make a little loop and then once we got down there, we realized that there wasn't a really good tree setup or anything on the downwind side of the trail they were all using. So kind of just had to make something work and there was a bunch of dead fall and stuff laying around. So I just started grabbing whatever I could find and stacking it up, making some cover behind one tree and kind of just ended up making a little teepee that I could sit in and it ended up working out. But sometimes there's not always going to be that perfect setup. You got to make something. You got to make something work. Yeah, in that situation too, y'all were on a transition and what we just talked about with hunting out of trees along transitions from, you know, wooded to open, you get silhouetted. That would have been the case in that situation. You had all them little trees on the edge and you could have went up any one of those telephone poles, but the buck's coming up through the woods and you're just silhouetted two guys in a tree with wide open behind them. And after you made your little fort and when you look at it in the footage, you can see that y'all built a lot of horizontal cover right there and then you were just sitting right in the middle of it and Jake was hunched down behind and that buck had no idea that y'all were there. One thing Zach just brought up is making sure once you get in a setup on the ground, whether it's in the tree or on the ground really, is just making sure that you can still get your bow drawn. You don't have too much all the way around you and just practice drawing and making sure you can still effectively get drawn and make the shot. There's a fine line of having not enough and having too much cover a lot of times. Yeah, either setting up on the ground with enough back cover like a big tree or a double trunk. Like down through here you have some really big oaks. That one right there has got a double trunk on it. No different than when you turkey hunt. Yeah. I mean if you're sitting up against that, you have all that back cover. If you're sitting right behind that or right in front of that, you have all that cover. In contrast, if you're sitting up against one of these little trees on the ground with no ground cover in front of you, you're wide open. Yeah. And in that case, Zach doesn't have a lot of cover right there behind him, but he's got a little bit of horizontal cover. He's got that down log that's going up behind his back right there and then he's got those other limbs that are coming off. And like he was just saying, he would prop up those other dead limbs in front of him potentially to add even more cover. So you can make it work in a variety of different setups. I mean, we love brush piles like that or we love down trees. You know, that's what me and Gooch killed that buck in the deep timber a couple of years ago. We just slipped up there when we were stalking him and we were going through open woods like this. It's like, dang it, we don't have a lot of cover. You know, what are we going to do? And then we saw that dead fall up ahead of us like 40 yards up and it was super aggressive to go for that. But it was like, dude, if we can get there, he's going to walk right up to us. He's not going to see us. So we made that break and got up there and moved through that dead fall and right there's where we killed him. But I mean, it was just so perfect with all that cover. I mean, we're standing up when we shoot the thing because there's so much cover behind us. When you're looking from the camera's perspective, it looks like it's all wide open out in front of me. But we just stepped through all that cover and it was just a wall of it. That's a good point is finding the spot where the deer are and then figuring out how to set up close to that. You know, because here's these two trails right here behind us, there's a perfect tree 50 yards over there with lots of cover that you can get right up in your saddle or your stand, you know, be nice and comfortable, but you're 50 yards from the trail. Right here, we don't have very many trees. All these are little, but where Zach was set up in that brush pile is 15 yards from these trails. That's the kill, that's the kill range we're trying to get in. So it's sometimes the ground is the best option. All right, so right now we're going to start talking about when to draw and this is something that new hunters struggle with and even sometimes us more experienced hunters still struggle with. You get a little bit excited and you move when you shouldn't and, you know, you ruin, you ruin your opportunity. But trying to plan for these things, try to visualize within your setup is really going to help. But we're going to demonstrate with the decoy when we would draw if we were set up in this situation. But a couple of things to keep in mind are don't move when the deer is, you know, in range and especially when the deer is facing you. If you have a deer that's coming in towards your setup, head on, walking right at you, try to keep movement to a minimum. If you have to move to get your bow, do it super slowly. But as a general rule of thumb, if the deer is looking in your direction or walking towards you, just don't move. There's a lot of variables for when you're trying to decide when to draw. Every situation is going to look a little bit different, but we're going to try to narrow it down to a few tips. I would say the number one thing is just don't move when the deer is looking at you. Movement is what is going to bust you more times than not. For example, one mistake that I know that I've made and I made a lot when I was younger was I would see a deer coming, walk in my direction, I'd panic and go for my bow real quick. It's just like an instinctive thing. It's like, oh he's coming, I gotta get this bow now. Where in reality what I should have done was either waited till his eyes were off of me or if he is coming towards me and I know I can get away with it slowly and calculated, slow move to the bow, I can probably get away with that. Especially on a day like today where you've got a little bit of breeze moving leaves and stuff around, you might be able to get away with it in that situation if you move slow enough. But on the other hand, if you go for your bow quick, the deer is likely going to pick up on that movement. Alright, so now let's say we've got our bow, release is on the string and the deer is coming down the trail that's likely going to put him in an easy bow shot range and broadside. Now we're really just waiting for an opportunity that may allow us to draw or maybe he turns his head the other way. Anything like that that's keeping his eyes from being in your direction or even the corner of his eye. So Warb's down here, he's got the decoy, so let's pretend that that's a beautiful live whitetail animal. And right now we've got some open ground, the deer's in bow range I'd say right there he's you know between 20 and 30 yards. If I'm not drawn yet, I'm gonna have to get drawn and right there the deer's facing us, eyes on us, we're kind of just frozen in this situation. So we're patient not making any quick moves and then the deer starts moving and maybe I'm not facing the deer yet. Now right here I might try to get shifted towards him but nope he's moving too fast. Now I'm still stuck, I can't really do much, can't really do much. Oh no and now I'm starting to maybe panic a little bit because it's like I need to be drawn but I'm not but I'm anticipating with this tree right here I wouldn't really make this move with my right hand but this tree it's kind of my last move and as he goes behind that tree that's what I draw. Now I've got an easy shot when the deer is up here close. Smoking, oh he's going but I think I got him good Greg what do you think? I think he's oh oh he's down he's down yes yes but so that is a situation right there where the deer was moving fast or warp was moving pretty fast and I was talking a lot and I kind of just got to where all of a sudden the deer was in a pretty good opening but I wasn't drawn and that's a realistic situation that you can be in. It's really important but really challenging to stay patient in that situation there those eyes are right on us and if you try to force a draw you're more than likely not going to get away with it. One example of this was when I was hunting with Dylan in New York was stalking a buck with a doe and he ended up bounding running right towards me and he pretty much ran right on top of me and he was facing me and I thought oh he's so close I should I got a draw but I thought what's the point of drawing if I draw right now he's definitely going to bust me he's 100% going to see me because he's already looking at me but as time went on he started moving out into the grass field and he started turning his head back towards the doe he eventually turned his head all the way around and I drew my bow back and stood all the way up and I mean had he turned and looked at me he'd have saw me for sure but he was literally just facing the other way so in that situation it paid to be patient just like this example with Warb with the decoy it's better to be patient rather than to force the draw and again this is just one of those things that there's a lot of factors that may dictate when you draw but the best thing you can do is try to stay patient keep your movements slow keep your movements minimal and then just learn on your own trial and error baby that's the best way to learn we definitely have learned a lot about this by failing so get out there and do some failing and you'll eventually start having success when drawing on critters and I was on him good and I hit him good man you ever seen deer like that looks like they're gonna look good over your fireplace up in your den man I could I tell you what I couldn't have done it without my bow man this bear this thp that could have not done it without it I mean he sent it right through right through there look where oh yeah look where I hit him it's too high but it knocked you down this time all right major overlook tip through the years maintaining your equipment we've all made a bunch of mistakes with this whether it's you know checking our releases to make sure we got them on our bows we've a lot of us have forgot our releases at the truck no that's my bonus car we have everything else I wish I just had like this stupid recurve or something in here I should just keep it in here I'm sweating right now a little bit partially because the coffee partially because I'm upset with myself there'll be some curse words said but you know warps gonna like that we've had bow malfunctions in the field all kinds of things go wrong and a lot of those could have been avoided just by making sure that our equipment was good to go before we went out on a hunt we've learned all that the hard way over the years but I'm gonna walk you through some of these things right now one thing to always keep in your bow box string wax this is string snot I got it from archery field and sports up there at the archery shop and always have that in the bow case treat my string with it regularly so that the string doesn't get frayed and weakened over time that kind of extends the life of your bow string and I got a roll of steel strips in there we have those like on the riser I probably need to add more on there even seems like seems like that stuff works a lot better than the stuff that comes with the actual rest when you get it yeah it does this stuff's really soft and quiet so steel strips are awesome for I mean almost anything that you want to quiet your stands your saddle platform anything metal on your pack they're awesome and in this case I've got them on my rest like what Ted was just talking about and these rests come with felt that works okay but steel strips are awesome they stick really really well and for a long period of time I need to add even more up here on my riser because your arrow falls off and hits that so always got steel strips in the bow case always got a set of allen keys or allen wrenches in there always checking the screws on the accessories on the bow itself just to make sure everything is good and tight because as you go through season after season of use with these things your screws and your accessories and your cams and everything is going to start to loosen up over time so you want to check these all the time to make sure everything is tight before you head to the field I've forgotten to do that before and went out there and my rest was loose and got to the woods and it was just kind of dangling there after being two miles deep it's like well I guess I'll head back to the ranch and start over and what we feel like is probably the most important thing is shoot a lot before the season not just shooting field points but shooting broadheads you want to make sure that your broadheads are flying really really well before you go hunting shoot them at targets shoot them at different ranges shoot them in crouch positions shoot them in you know out of a tree stand try to mimic a hunting situation the best that you can in your practice and shoot your broadheads a lot of times now don't shoot this broadhead into a target a bunch of times put it in your quiver and then take it hunting because this one's going to be dull it's the one that you've been practicing with so you want to have extra broadheads that are sharp that you can take to the woods I got those over here in my flambeau tackle box I've got a bunch of different kinds in here here's an example of a dull broadhead that I've been practicing with you can see how the blades are just kind of messed up they've got target matter on there from going in and out of a target and that blade is fairly dull that is definitely not what I want to shoot into a deer so don't make the mistake of leaving that on your arrow over here I've got one of my cut throats that I've sharpened a bunch and that sucker is ready to roll and I probably should label my box it says sharp you know not sharp that way I can keep or even put just my practice heads in one box and my sharp heads in another box that'd probably be a better idea than kind of jumbling them all together but make sure that you've got sharp broadheads that's a huge deal that a lot of us never really used to think about a whole lot and I mean it's kind of common sense we've been hunting for thousands and thousands of years if you're hunting with a bow or sticking a string you want a sharp object on the end of it to penetrate whatever deer or animal that you're trying to kill so obviously take great care in sharpening your broadheads before you go to the field and make sure that you got sharp broadheads in your quiver before you go Hayden just brought up another good point anytime you take your weapon out and are in the field with it and it gets moisture on it wet rain anything do as soon as you come back clean it up wipe it down get that moisture out of there because what will happen is you'll end up with rust all over it I might even have yeah I got some examples of a broadhead right here you see all the rust on that blade you know that's from hunting in the rain and I didn't take care of it when I got back in so now that thing is starting to rust I think I could probably buff it out it's not too bad yet but that's just one example I mean Hayden's talking about like wiping down your entire bow that way your screws don't start to rust out your cams anything this goes for gun hunting as well if you're packing a gun around in the field you want to make sure to wipe it down as soon as you get back in otherwise you're going to take that piece of equipment that's covered in moisture and you're going to shove it in an airtight case and that just is a recipe for disaster so wipe it down and I mentioned this at the start but always get in the habit of attaching your release to your bow or putting it in a place I don't know I mean maybe you take a pack with you every time and it's the same pack and you can put that release on the side of the pack but what I used to do is always try to get in the habit no matter every time I practice put the release back on the bow and attach it tightly to the bow if you get in the habit of attaching your release to your bow every time you're done shooting your releases is going to go everywhere with the bow because you don't want to end up out there without it and if you're forgetful make sure to bring an extra release with you so put one in your pack that way if you forget to do this one time you get all the way out there like crap my release is in my truck or it's you know back at the house or it's four states away you've got a backup release in your pack and you can keep hunting or your release breaks when the buck's coming in that happens yep cold booth yeah out of a bind there yep that's right and zinger had a release freeze up on him hunting in sub-zero temperatures a few years ago even so all kinds of things can happen hey he got a buck like the next day wasn't it boom there you go anyway that's just a few tips to keep your equipment maintained all very simple stuff but if you overlook it can wreck your day so we've talked about the importance of maintaining your equipment when to draw your bow now we're going to talk a little bit about knowing your limits and making high percentage shots taking and making high percentage shots which i guess they go together but that kind of alluded to the mental preparedness which that's that's one thing we'll talk about but first i think understanding the anatomy of whatever game animal you're going after we're just going to use deer for example i didn't really understand where to be aiming when i first first started bow hunting there was no real good graphics out there and as time's gone on and like some of these graphics that ryan kirby's come out with everything is more low and forward than i guess i was ever taught basically you know i was always aiming at the 10 ring on that target which is a lot higher and further back than i put my pin nowadays so i guess that is one thing i wish i would have known a lot sooner is just where to be aiming on a deer yeah sure and ryan has all sorts of different species i think he has pigs and elk and also turkeys stuff like that so just take a look at at some of his graphics if if there's any sort of game animal that you're wanting to hunt and he's just got all the vitals and where they're at and then you can kind of decide where to aim based off of that so there's a lot of good stuff out there nowadays i was ate up with bow hunting at a young age like before i could even legally bow hunt deer i was going out and bow hunting for squirrels you know hunting them as seriously as a deer hunter would like hunting them from tree stands you know spending a lot of time in the field and that really helped cultivate um just a lot of understanding of you know how to make shots on game animals even though they were squirrels you know not as all of that stuff kind of crosses over into other species just as far as reading animals body language they might be a different species but just learning how to read animals you know if they're on edge you're probably you know treat it differently than if they're completely calm and that goes for squirrels or it goes for sure yeah there would be times where you know if i let a squirrel get in close and drew back when you you know yeah you draw back and they would spook sometimes so you you could learn a lot from bow hunting small game it could be the same with bow fishing and doing stuff like realistic target practicing these are all the things i was doing at a young age that really helped cultivate discipline in the field to only taking high percentage shots that i know i can make on game another thing i did when i was young was went through bow hunter education and that was a really important thing that i think that is available to anyone in some states it's mandatory but going through that it really it teaches you it talks a lot about hunting ethics and what to look for in a high percentage shot so a lot of that you know for me revolved around waiting for a broadside or quartering away shot within my effective range and then from there once i've established that you know that gives me a reference point to whether i want to take a shot or not that line may be different from person to person from hunter to hunter but for me i established a distance that i was comfortable shooting out to and then also waiting for a broadside or quartering away shot only or slightly ever so slightly quartering to as i go back through the shots i've taken at some deer some of them you just don't realize they're slightly quartering to and others if they're really close range i know i can slip it in close to the shoulder and still make a high percentage ethical shot on a slightly quartering to deer but that's kind of my my framework for shooting at game animals and i think like with you especially all of the experience like we talked about just starting with small game there's just so many animals that you've probably shot with the bow that it's a lot easier for you than a younger hunter to take that extra second in the like during that moment of truth so to speak where you know everything's going crazy where you can just almost be more you're more calm than i think most people will ever be but i think it's just good to try to remember to take that extra second to pay attention to exactly how the deer is oriented making sure they're not slightly more quartered to than what you thought i've made that mistake several times where it's like i thought i was shooting at a deer broadside put it right behind the shoulder and ends up being a one long hit or something where you're you're in for a longer night than what you would have hoped for yeah part of that calmness or discipline is just temperament like it's just part of who i am but i would say most of that honestly is the things that i did that we've talked about already i think just like with anything experience you know the more the more that you do it the more the more i guess relaxed you're going to be you're comfortable with the situation you're going to be yeah and that's always been important part of hunting for me is just taking high percentage shots that i know i can make and i mean there's times that i passed deer as well that just weren't just wasn't a high percentage shot i mean thinking of one just a you know a few years back where warren and i stalked this buck that it was bet they had a hot doe bedded up and we got in close and we were around him for like three hours on multiple occasions i was drawn back the buck was within easy range but there was just too many like too many small and i think there's a lot of times in there where it would have been tempting for most hunters to try to just make something work where i mean there's there was just such good good chance that you would have had some sort of deflection there's too much vegetation in the way it wasn't just grass it was like woody stems yeah like almost rose or whatever and just through experience i knew that that was not a high percentage shot to take i might have hit the deer might have missed him completely but more than likely it would have ended in a wounding shot and just not not a good situation so even though it was one of the biggest bucks i'd ever been drawn back on before like it was a it was an awesome buck like he was big yeah but it was just it's not worth it yeah so as we're getting closer to season here be sure to check out those graphics and just kind of refresh yourself i know i'm gonna and i like to try to have almost like a mantra in my head just so i can try to keep myself calm to try to take that extra second because otherwise i just i mean i think it's good to partially act instinctively while you're out there but just take that extra second and like be in control yeah pay attention to you know is there any brush in the way how exactly is that deer oriented and and just focus on taking high percentage shots because it's going to lead you to finding a higher percentage of your game all right guys next up we're going to be talking about when to dive in and when to hang back when bow hunting north american whitetail animals so a situation that we see happening a lot is hunters having a deer stand or like jake said a few different setups on one property your favorite spot it ends up being yeah and you're hunting that spot probably way too much yeah and when it's not a good time to go in right for the best spot is when you don't have deer that are using that area there's a lot of different ways that you can tell if they're using the area a lot of days people are using trail cameras now so or just years of hunting that property i mean that's the example i was talking about just years of hunting and you you come to realize these things but like you said trail cameras are a one good example of that is an area that's dropping acorns early in the season so if you know that the spot that you like to hunt has acorns some years they may be dropping early in the season it's definitely worth diving in if you have that that sort of intel on a particular location because later in the season they may no longer be using that food source they may have all the acorns cleaned up or maybe a different stand of oaks is dropping more maybe they've moved to just any food source that's in a different area that's where it's good like you're either just just prior to season say you're going in to check your stand or trim stuff out or just going in and checking trees with binoculars see if they're loaded up with acorns or just doing your in-season scouting is probably going to be what pays off there and is important yeah if you're going to a spot and you're going to go scout your way through an area and you see that there's fresh sign like rubs scrapes and feeding sign around those oaks and there's a good chance that it's worth diving into that spot at that time a good example of an early season hunt where we dove into a good spot was a hunt that Ted and Gooch had in 2020 it was opening day and they went right into a spot because there was a cold front coming and they knew there was a bunch of oaks back there and when they got back there scouting it in season they saw there's a bunch of fresh feeding sign to the truck got their got their setups and dove right back in there and had bucks great hunt all around them the whole night and opening day killed one where if you sit back and wait in that spot i mean those deer might be out of that area the next week because they got all the acorns cleaned up yeah and i feel like that's the mistake that we look back on the most and say man i wish we would have done that differently because we would just go into these areas and maybe see that fresh sign and be like oh that's good it's going to be a good spot to keep going back to well in a couple of weeks it's too late it's too late to dive in and that situation specifically they had summer scouted that spot and i and the deer had slightly shifted to a different area but they kind of made that last minute adjustment when when they found that hot sign and set up right on it and it worked out perfectly it's on the flip side though if you're going into an area early in the season you're looking for acorns on the ground you're not seeing them you're not seeing the fresh sign and you're not seeing any buck sign it's probably worth backing off even though traditionally that spot has been good to you that's when we like to just back out and try other spots until that spot gets hot for whatever reason maybe later in the season the does are bringing bucks in there or the food sources change again in your favor or you can kind of pattern the deer but if they're not there it's not worth hunting those areas not saying there's still not a little chance every once in a while but in our experience we found if the fresh sign is not really obvious then it's probably worth looking for better spots yeah and you mentioned does bringing bucks into an area another time where we pretty much always dive right in is during the rut if you get eyes on a visual on a buck or know he's in the area the rut can be so here today gone tomorrow that if you know he's there that day that's the day that you want to hunt him because he could be 15 miles away the next day if he gets a whiff of the right thing in the right direction so yeah i think that if there's a situation in which you're hunting an area that maybe isn't a very big area or you haven't been seeing a mature buck on that on that particular spot and all of a sudden he shows up and he's following a doe let's say you have a trail camera out there and a big buck is following a doe in the middle of the morning well that might be a pretty good indicator that he's locked down with that doe somewhere around and that's likely just going to be a small window of time so if that's the case we're looking to dive right into spots like that visual is another great one just really really hot rut sign like rubs scrapes things like that are perfect example of that was when ted and nick saw that one in kansas spotted him from the road and dove in there within 20-30 minutes they had him dead on the ground where that deer probably was not going to be anywhere near that area the next day so yeah be aggressive but generally speaking we've just found that reading hot sign taking advantage of the rut taking advantage of bucks that are locked down with those those are just times that we feel way more confident going in and being aggressive than we didn't trying to realize when the deer is in a position where they're at a disadvantage yeah they're vulnerable that's that's when you try to strike yep so hopefully that helps you out a little bit here in the future when you're out in the woods