Kevin Jonas (FULL EPISODE) | Literally! with Rob Lowe

How many podcasts do you do on your, your, not too many. This must be towards the end of the big, the big press, right? I just kind of do them as we go. Like the song came out and I was really pumped about it. And it's weird. Like traditional media is gone, which I love. Isn't it? Conversations with friends and people that you admire is like way easier to do interviews. And so, yeah, bring it on. That's kind of my mentality. Okay. When you first came up, give me like, because I, listen, I've been doing it a long time, even longer, and it is so different. We used to, when I first came up and a movie came out, instead of doing a press junket, you toured. Like you would go, yeah, I'm going to St. Louis. And then I'm going to New York. Then I'm going to go to Denver. Then we've got a thing in Austin. Then like you schlepped all around the country. And then they sort of come into it. So what, what is your earliest memory of publicity? Um, earliest memory, uh, was definitely like in here listening to like morning. Like new, what is that? Like the, uh, like, uh, what are they called? Here? I'm going to take you back. You ready? Ready? Yeah. Hey, hey, this is Bill. We're, we're here at the Morning Zoo. Listen, Bill's getting ready. We're just going into commercial. Right. We'll be right back with you in 35 seconds. It's the Morning Zoo. We got the Jonas Brothers coming on. Hey, here come the Jonas Brothers. Hey, hey man, how you doing? It's the Morning Zoo in Kentucky. Yes, exactly. And then we did all of the radio like that. And then you did all of the, like the morning, like television, like localized news shows, which, you know, uh, you know, syndicated media, whatever the ones with the, you put the ear fob in and be in a room and like, you're listening to, you're talking to Dan and Margaret in Illinois, and then they'd get your names wrong and half of them are drunk. And it's just, you know, it's fantastic. It's I think. Satellite media tour. I was looking for the word. Thank you. Sorry. Okay. So, so y'all out there, satellite media tours. Literally you go into a hermetically sealed, like a ******* sarcophagus. It's dark. It's black. There's a camera in front of you. There are no human beings. You're staring into the lens and you got your ear fob in and somebody's doing. All right. Good to see you today. Thanks for coming in. We're going to do 35 interviews in the next hour and a half, and we're going to start off in San Francisco. So you've got about two minutes and have a coffee and we'll see you in two minutes. And then, all right, we're ready to go to San Francisco. And it goes on and on and on. And it's forever. And it's, and it's great. And it does a lot. It covers a lot of ground, but it's also like, I don't know. Like, is it, does it, does it help? Did it help? I don't know. Can I say something? My theory was those helped. My theory was those are kind of a slog, but my theory is that moved the needle more. Oftentimes than doing one of those big, bigger shows. I actually kind of agree, right? It's grassroots. It's like, I, you, you got to the people and we were like, that's how we really got started as, you know, like a band. Like we went everywhere. We played anything and everywhere that anyone would see us. You know, I played balloon festivals to strawberry festivals to the white house, you know? So it's like, I've played it all and done it all. And it's great. But it's like, we've done, we've done the grind. And I think that was weird for people to think like we came up, like they, everyone, like we were an overnight success that was 10 years in the making, you know? Yeah. And as musicians are, I guess, maybe different than, you know, actors or, you know, movie stars and like, you know, that role happens and it just shoots your career. You get the next one and the next, it always like it stacks. Right. But like music similar, you got the hit and then it rolls and then what's next. But with a band that tours, like we do, it was always like the live show. So we built an audience before we ever like got dropped by Columbia and moved over to Disney and it was great. It was just a grind. Um, I remember the first time I met you guys, uh, was at the, don't tell me it's coming to me. It's funny. Cause it doesn't mean anything anymore. Cause the president canceled it and nobody does it. But at the time it was the white house correspondence dinner. Yeah. I remember meeting you guys. You guys were young pups. Oh, so young. But I remember it was like at the height of that era of your guys' career. Yeah. We were getting threatened by president Obama with, you know, drones. It was, it was, it was funny. Wait, I can't let that go by. Tell me all about that. So he, in his speech, he made a joke. He's just like, you know, he was saying that like, don't worry. You know, it's awesome. Really? Yeah. The drone's supposed to be here. And he's like, don't forget. I have drones. And we were all like, oh my God. All right. The daughters. Yes. Cause that's amazing. You know, we put, we had such a huge honor with them. Actually they're, they're right there. There they are. Um, um, that's just us and a picture. Um, but they, um, the, they asked us to perform at, um, on the inauguration night in the white house to surprise the girls. They did a scavenger hunt for them. And the final room that they opened up, we were in there and we had acoustics and we played the song for the girls, like played a couple of songs. That it, that is the girl. Like I, I love white house stories. That's insane. So where, do you remember what room you were in? The big, it's like the main ballroom, the big yellow room at the end. Yes. Yeah. It was pretty cool. Like, and we gave him a guitar and then Nick went to see him at his final, like night, like their, like their party, their, you know, thing that they hosted. And he's like, actually, we were cleaning out the girls' closets. We found the guitar you gave him today. And we're like, that's just wild story. It's like a wild thing. Cause we, we were able to play, you know, the Easter egg roll. We've done that and the correspondence and they're like, we've done a bunch of different things. And it's cool to think back on things. Like, do you keep photos? Do you keep like memorabilia? Um, for a long part of my career, I did, I did when I first started. And then the middle I stopped and wished that I had, and now I'm keeping ---- again. That's great. I, um, I did almost the exact same thing. Like I, we moved into a new house. We literally like moved across the street. Like there was one empty lot that's been sitting for so long. And I was like, I love that house. And we ended up figuring it out. And I built a house here and I was like, I don't need anything in my office. I don't want any pictures or records or anything. My wife is like, you really like probably should. It's pretty, pretty cool. And I'm like, yeah, I don't like love. Like, it's like, feels kind of like, look at me. But at the same time, it's like, I guess this is, you know, this is my journey. Can I tell you something? I love going to see other people's homes and they have memory. Like I, I do not in any way. Have I ever walked into a house and gone, Jesus Christ. You think he has enough pictures of himself? I'm not that guy. I'm like, ****. Yeah. That's so sick. I love that. Yeah. I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger, old time friend. And, and I say this with love and not behind his back. I'm telling you, there isn't a space in his house that doesn't have a picture of himself. That's, that's great. And it's like that, that is a war hole over the year. This is one of the first, uh, you know, posters for the, uh, the Terminator, you know, when they didn't even have the right title yet and everything has a story and it's great. Let me ask you this. I do do this though. I do. If I add a photo of like my work life, I have to add a photo of my family. I have like a wall. Uh, well, that's the other thing. I've got a lot of family. Yeah. That's it. Cause that's what makes me happy. Like, okay, let me ask you this. Are you, there are two types of people. They're the type of people who win the Grammy and put it on the mantle. And then there's the other ones who love telling you that they use it on the toilet. That it's on the toilet. Yeah. They can't wait to tell you about the award they won, but it's on the toilet. Right. Can't wait to tell you about it. I have yet to win a Grammy, so I don't know what I would do with it yet. Um, but I am now I display stuff like it's displayed. Um, but for the most part, I just, I think I would not put it on the toilet and I wouldn't tell you about it when I actually have my, my Grammy, uh, nomination, like thing around a fake dog up there. So there's, it's just like there, like you wouldn't even know to know it. When, when I won the E channel golden hanger for, uh, I believe, I believe it was best outfit. Um, I, I immediately, I put it in the living room. I was like, you know what? Everybody needs. I did it. I've arrived. I love that. The ones that are like, are pretty big are like the Spotify, like billion stream ones. That's a good one. Those are pretty good. Okay. So they don't have, I remember, I remember going to a party once and they were presenting Madonna with a platinum album and people couldn't believe it. They were like, Whoa, that's like seems kitschy and sweet. Like, Oh, now. Right. Or is that, or would that be a huge thing now? Uh, it's pretty like, it's hard. It's like weird. No one sells albums, like certain people's albums, but like some albums don't really like, it's not like the way it used to be. It's just about streaming. Right. It's about numbers and about your monthly. It's all now a game about monthly listeners. That's actually how this whole game works, because if you have a numbers that are like low and monthly listeners, no matter what kind of placement you get on, on an algorithm that shows you music, you're not going to reach as many people. You're not going to have a big enough song. It's, it's the same thing. It's like, you know, the larger the fish, the bigger, the, you know, the, they, they just keep getting bigger. Right. And so they consume only so much space. And so every time you release song, of course, they're going to promote that song because there's an audience waiting to listen. So, so how do you grow those numbers? And does that mean that you should collaborate with other artists that have large following so that like you pull in some of those audiences? It's like, it's very, very, it's, it's, it's an interesting thing to do. And a lot of people pay a lot of attention to it. And a lot of people like care a lot. I think for us, we've gotten to a place where we realized like the hits will come, the hits will happen. And, you know, the things that like, will, you know, will surprise you. Like we had a song this last year off this album. That was not a single. We had like three or four things that we kind of put out with the album. And the song that came out was that like really like became the song of the last year for us was a song called backwards. That was not our plan. The fans just connected and made it a thing. And then some girl made a like trend on TikTok. And then that song went and it's like, okay, it's so it's, it's weird. It's like, sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't like sucker. We didn't know if the last minute, but then once we knew, we knew that song was like a, you know, a cannon fire. Like it was like a one in one in once in a lifetime moment thing. How do you remember your moment when you're like, oh, this work, this, this, this, this one blew up. Uh, that one was like obvious because it was like the band was coming back together. The, you know, we had all of our wives in the video at the time. And like, it's just like, yeah, that culturally it was a thing. So like we had a cultural shift. I think that's how music works right now. Unless you can shift culture, you're not going to break through. There's, there's, it used to be that like, you know, an album would come out and it's like once a year, an artist would release an album and you'd have maybe on a given week, like a couple hundred people would release music right now. It's like, there are like 60,000, maybe a hundred thousand songs released every day or every Friday specifically. It's like, how do you, how do you break through that? You know, it's like, it's, you have to have favor and you have to have a good team and you have to grab, you know, you have to have a lot of luck. I think there's a lot to be said about the, like how the placements are for the algorithms for like Spotify and other streaming services. Like they definitely is like dictate who's going to succeed. Well, look, we know that like, like even the LLMs, the large language models and, you know, are, are what they call weighted, which is mean trained and, and not manipulated, but, but, but built to value certain things over others. Or boy, I'm sure glad the algorithm we have, I'm sure glad that we, we have them in our pocket. Yeah. There's times where it goes both ways. I think there's some, some things were like, how did that not, how did we have that happen? How did that not work? And then there are times like that worked. Like it just, who knows, you know? And I think it's with anything, right? I'm sure you make a TV show or a movie and you're like, you get off set and you're like, I don't know, maybe. Yeah. Right. And you're like, I think it was good. And like, you know, you're in a vacuum. Like I know we're in a vacuum. Like we made this Christmas film for Disney and we finished the movie. We're like, I hope so. You know, like we will see. And we saw a cut in the middle of the summer and we're like, oh, it's, it's actually not bad. I didn't watch it. I was afraid to watch it. I was like, I was like anti-watching it. Uh, do you like watching yourself? Uh, I'm, I'm agnostic at this point. Okay. Literally, like I've done entire seasons of television seasons, 20, never seen them. And, and then I've also, you know, I'm in the editing room frame ******* as they call it on an edit. So I can, I can kind of go either go both ways. Yeah. And that's cool. I like that. It doesn't really affect your work. Right. I was like, I don't know if this is something I would watch. I don't know if it's good. I'm like, I was really anxious about it. So, and I finally watched it with my, with our girls, cause they're in it as well in my life. And they, they were like gut laughing. I was like, oh, this might, this might work. And I will say that that was the big surprise last year, how well that was received with people and then homes and it's a holiday. So you can definitely get away with a lot more, you know, a Christmas movie. You can definitely get away with more. Um, but like overall, I think the story was fun and the music was great and maybe we'll do another one. We'll see. No, I I'm Christmas movies are great. I'm going to do one. I'm literally going to do one in three weeks. Oh my God. Where are you filming? We're filming in Vancouver, which means. Of course. This is where everybody films, but also it's like, at least the snow will be real. Yeah. That makes a huge difference. We're in Toronto. It was like, it was cold. Oh, I've done it. I did a ******* Christmas movie in New Orleans in, in, in the end of August. Once New Orleans in August, we had to have like refrigerated capsules that you'd go and stand in and then come out and film and then go back to your refrigerated capsule. It was the worst. But why would that make you look cold to make your breath? No, no. Just so you didn't pass out. Oh, cause it was just so hot. It was, it was, it was, you know, 90 degrees and 90% humidity. Yeah. No, I'm not like that's a, that's a, that's not it. My, my thing for Christmas movies now is my part must not involve me wearing oven mitts like, like Dockers. And I refuse to play the dad. Like I'd rather play the grandpa than the, the, the dad. You have great hair though, so. Well, thank you. You too. Thanks. Appreciate it. Um, you know, actually I was watching, uh, I was watching your show 9-1-1 and, uh, you like got the, you know, job and you were talking about like your hair regimen with like the shots and stuff. And I was like, I wonder if that's real. I wonder if that's like, like that's brought to you from his actual life. Cause like that always happens with writers, right? Like even with the Christmas movie, like they talk to you and you get to know them and then they're like, and did you mention one thing? And they like build it into your character and you're like, you took liberties. But sometimes I'm like, that feels way too personal. Can't you tell? I can sometimes tell like that when I watch people's performance and I go, oh yeah, that's, that's them. So the answer to your question is yes. 100% that the hair riff. Cause I have a thing of like, you know, um, um, you know, hair is forever. So like, if they're rushing you around and like, I don't like my ******* hair, I'm like, Hey, film's come and go, but hair is forever. I love it. You know, that's a good one. Um, yeah. And then on, on Parks and Rec, uh, my favorite show of like all time. Oh, thank you. And I'm not just saying that, like, it truly is like, I can quote it for days. I've seen every episode many times. Um, you should do it again. You should all come back and make another season. Well, we all love each other so much. I know that we could do. I, but, but my old literally was in, in the, uh, this podcast, which comes from that was from, from me saying that word, I guess, in a way that made the writers laugh. So that was all just cause I guess I either misused the word or pronounce it heavily, whatever, but that, that was from me and from them observing me talk. Yeah. And that's part of your identity though. Like you're, but also like, if you didn't know any better, you're someone's watching like, oh, that's a funny thing he does with his character because he's emphasizing it to a point. It's like, well, that's just you. It's like, oh, well, there you go. Turns out you're funny. Hyper enunciation. Thank you, brother. What can I ask? What was your favorite episode to film? Like what's your favorite Parks and Rec episode? Okay. There's my favorite episode. And then there's my favorite Parks and Rec moment. Now. Okay. My favorite Parks and Rec moment. I'm not even in. It is when they are walking across trying to walk across the ice rink to that. To, I want to, to what song it's some like lame big hit song and, and because the ice is so slippery and it takes them so long to walk, the song has to keep playing and it just goes, and it just goes on and on and on. And it's so funny and it's such a big, bold comedy. Like that's the kind of stuff that I feel like doesn't media today. Like, and just like, it's hard to take that big of a swing and take that much time. Yes. Oh, that's the thing. Cause it's one of those jokes that the whole point of it is it you're, you can't believe how long it's taken. And that, and that you have to get so many people's approval to do. Right. And I think that's hard. And I think sometimes shows that take that, you know, like the, the episode in, I think you should leave where he's in the, like, have you seen that? It's insane. But like when he's in the whole like costume and he's in the mall and he's like, I don't want to be here anymore. And it's just like taking forever of him, like kind of like falling apart inside his body. Like it's so uncomfortable and so good. But if like they would have rushed it, it wouldn't have, it would have fell flat. So it's like, it's just different. And also, as you know, humor is like, if you watch a drama, everybody pretty much acts reacts to, you know, um, um, a jeopardy situation. Totally. Character in jeopardy in the same way, comedy, not so. And there are people who like, I think you should leave as a perfect example. I get so uncomfortable that I love it. I think it's brilliant and it's genius. But at the end of the day, for me, I don't come back to it because I don't, it's, and it's also like punked. I don't like, I don't like, uh, comedy around people like that, whatever that you would call that. Like, yeah. Taking a shot at someone. Yeah. But I love mean comedy. Like I will watch roasts. You guys, you guys get roasted ever? Yeah. So we did a family roast. We did it for, um, we did for Netflix. It was kind of set a little differently. They were trying to do something new and, and it was, it was weird and funny, but it was also like the three of us. So the idea was like a family was going to roast each other and have people come in and help and do it. And it was, it was, it was, I don't know if I'd do it again. I love mean comedy. I love it. I love mean comedy. I don't know what that says about me. It's a character defect. No, I think that's good. I think there's something so, because there's a lot of truth in it, right? There's like, sometimes when you say the things that you really shouldn't say, it's like, because you really want to. And there's, there's just right there. And you're trying to be a nice, polite person. It kind of like takes the humanity, humanity out of it. And I, I totally agree with you. And it has to, it has to be smart. Like that's low hanging mean without being smart is stupid. No, it's me. No, it has to be super, super, super smart. And, and, and, and the, the path of attack has to be unexpected. It's like, I saw there were a bunch of Kevin Hart short jokes on the golden gloves. I was like, that's lame. Right. That's, that's lame. Right. Yeah. It's like, like, that's just like, it just doesn't like move the needle for me either. It's like, okay. Yeah. That's not smart enough. I saw you guys play. What football game was it where I saw you guys play recently? Like last, I want to say it was last year. A year ago, Thanksgiving day. Yeah. Right. Yeah. A couple of years ago. Yeah. That's great. A couple of years ago already. Yeah. Crazy. Oh man. I can't get it. I know. I remember you were in Canada. We, we, we played, we played their Canadian football, like, like world series, not world series, but the great, the great, the great cup. I think it's called the great cup. We did play the great cup. So halftime show. That's pretty good. Unless, unless you're watching that. No, it was definitely. And I just remember you had a very beautiful guitar. It feels like it was like a Gretsch or a. It's a Les Paul for sure. So I played pretty much primarily Les Pauls. Um, and it was a, I think it was white. Was it green? I can't remember. Whatever it was, I was like, it was like, cause I'm, I'm always like, do guitarists obviously you pick your guitar, obviously for the tone. And yeah, but also there's always this notion of that is so sick looking like. Yeah, it was my, that's, that actually is my white Supreme. Um, I bought it when I was 21 years old and it's been on the road with me since then. Really? Yeah. It's my favorite guitar. I play it every single day. Every single time I play a show, I play that guitar. Have you seen a picture of Willie Nelson's guitar recently? Oh, you mean trigger? Trigger. There's like, it's, it's, it's trigger. It's like, you know, it's. What do you think the most famous guitars are? Trigger has to be number one. Trigger's gotta be one of them. Of course you got like Led Zeppelin stuff. You've got Ben Halen, uh, you know, you've, oh, you know, a ACDC, uh, you know, the, the SG, the, you know, the horns, cause it just like embodied the band. And it was so rock and roll. Do you have a favorite, um, I, this is a ******* impossible question, but do you have a favorite lead guitar riff? Lead guitar riff? From like a pop song. Oh, my, my answer is, my answer is super, super like unexpected. I mean, super, super, I'm sorry. Expected so much so that I've gone away from it in, in recent years. And now I'm back to like, I don't give a ----. If every other person says this, I think it's the best guitar solo ever. Uh, you can probably guess it. I don't know what you're going to say. What would be the most obvious answer for all time throw down lead guitar solo? It would be like, you know, uh, Queen. That's a good one. Stairway to heaven. Okay. Yeah. Great. Perfect. I mean, right. Mine's, mine's different. It's simple. And that's why I think I love it. Ooh. Uh, it's Torn, Natalie Imbruglia. Cause you can sing it, you'd love it. Why do I love that? I love that solo. That's my favorite guitar. I love that song. I love that video. Everything about that. I love everything about that. That guitar solo. Think about it. You can, you can like feel like, hear it. Yeah. Super melodic. Extremely. It's not super, or like, it's not trying to be overly complicated. It's exactly what it, I think why I like it is. It's exactly what it should be for the song. Right. Like it didn't need something else. It just needed to be flowy. I always think about. I need to do more research. I need to know who did that. Who wrote that song? Who played that song? Like which guitarist? And like, I want to know the history of that guitar line. I don't know. I should find out. I feel like it was the whoever cut, whoever produced the, that track. Yeah. You're probably right. I'm, I'm, I'm, I feel like, I feel like I asked my friend is music. When it came out, who made that song? Cause it was so, I loved it so much for a pop song. I love pop music. Me too. Pop music's great. I love that it can transcend all genres. And, and it's just, I love country music. I love rap. I love hip hop. I love, I love it all. I love music. Who's your favorite collaborator? Or yeah. Who's your favorite collaborator? I know you, you, I mean, I don't know. By the way, when I say collaborator, I want to expand it to person you've played with. So you don't, you don't have to have written with them or recorded with them. I'm talking about like, I know you, you play with McCartney. Yeah. I mean, once in a while, once we got asked. I mean, yeah, it was pretty special. Do you know what, you know what I'm a big fan of on TikTok? And by the way, I love TikTok is the, the algorithm knows that I love isolated tracks. So I keep getting these. Interesting. I get like, um, my, my new one I'm obsessed with is McCartney's base on silly little love songs. Isolated love. It's so fun. It's so great. It's like they were, they, they were and are obviously, but like, I think they're space travelers, not space time travelers. I think, I think they, I think those guys were living in a different universe or from a different universe. Like they, they made music that was so transcend, like transcending is insane, but that movie yesterday where he's the only person that knows the music and I love the concept of the film, but it is, there is something to be said about like, the songs are good. We always say this, the song is good no matter what. And you know, you can like, when it's just like bland or like full, like there's, there's something like we have a song that we wrote in this camp and we have not had it produced out yet because we were like, we are so unbelievably excited about this song that we're like, we have to find the right exact person that has to help us bring it to life. Wow. Holy ----. It's like, it's so important. It's going to be so important to us. This song. I just know it. We all know it. Everyone is like, yeah, but like the problem is it has to be extremely simple. So finding the person that can make this, to tell the story in a simple way, like I will say to answer your first question, Jason Avigan and team who worked with me on Mark Schick, who worked with me on the song changing, those guys could do something like this, make something so simple, so great. And they did with this song with me. And I, I wanted to make music for a very long time. I've recorded other songs and they could put anything out. I just didn't feel like I, it was right. Didn't feel like my voice was right. Didn't feel like the song was right. Didn't feel like it was enough. Right. That was all on me. Also, whether it was doubt or just excellence, actually, I actually go that route. Like, I just like, don't think it was where it should have been yet. And they sent me the song. I wrote him a message after the Christmas film and was like, do you have any songs that maybe you think that would be good for me? He responded six months later. He did not respond to me. Six months later, he wrote me and said, I think I found it and sent me the song. And that was the song. And this is the song. And the minute I heard the song, I went, this is like new and instant. Like, I actually was like, I think I've like lived this song. Like, this is my song. So there are times where you just know. But going back to the Beatles being from a different universe in this movie yesterday, like the idea that the songs are that good, no matter who sings them or what happens is totally true. I believe that. So when I find this producer that we love, I'll let you know. I'm, I cannot, I want to hear the song so badly. Here's what my imagination just hit me with. It's like Sting getting every breath you take where. Yeah. You go, it's an instant. It feels like an in the American canon that it's existed forever. And it will be. Yeah. It actually feels like a song that you just be like, oh, yeah, this, this already existed. You know what I mean? Like. Yes, I do. Yeah. And I think that that's something with the song. I think that's my big, big thing with music. When I feel like I know it's when a song feels like it already. It's been around forever. If you feel like you already know it, not because it sounds like another song. It's because it sounds like something that's familiar to you. But I also like being challenged. So there's this. He, here's, here's the thing. It's like, I, one of my good friends is David Foster, who's obviously a great. Yeah. Okay. Right. Yeah. Duh. And David's the best. I mean, he's, he's amazing. And, and he, and he does amazing changes and he's just an amazing, but, but he also. Laughs at the fact that I love really simple music sometimes. And I'll be like, why, why do you roll your eyes at this? And he goes, it's just, I just know what's coming. And there is something about that, right? There's not, there's not the surprise, but I feel like. To me, what's the, the only surprise I want, the only surprise I want is a beautiful change. Right. Okay. Yeah. I don't, I don't need some discordant. He, whatever that like, I, I want like, I, I, it's, I hate to say it. I wish I, it makes me feel unevolved, but I don't really get jazz. And I know that that's like, I wouldn't say. I had this time and place. And I think it's an incredibly important thing. I am not that musician. Like I am self-taught. I cannot read sheet music. Like I can, like, if you give me a sheet, like notes on like the lines and like the You know, um, just wasn't how I grew up and how it wasn't. I probably should have. Right. It's my craft, but it's not too late. Like my daughter brought home her recorder homework and she had to like write out the notes and she's like, dad, can you help me with this, please? And I was just like, sure. All right. Chatty. I don't know. But of course to her, like, I have to know this. Duh. Right. And I was like, actually, I don't know this. I can work with you to figure it out. And then once I figured out, I'm like, okay, I got it. But like, it's because I know everything around it. I just don't have it implemented where I could like, look at a sheet music and just like, start playing. Like, that's just not, it's just not how my brain. Right. Yeah. But give me a sheet music with like the chords and the tabs and whatever it is, like, sure, I can play whatever you want me to play. But like, it's, it's different, you know? Oh, it's, I mean, my, my, my youngest son can do it, but he learned it as a little kid. I think you have to learn, you have to, you have to learn it as a little kid. You have to learn it like your multiplication tables, I think. I think so too. I think it's, it's like math facts. You just gotta know. You just gotta be like, cool. I see that in that location. That means it's a G. That means it's a G sharp minor. But I think jazz is really complicated and when you can do it and you can do it well, I think you're like, you're living in a different plane, like for sure. But I don't know. I feel like there's something to be said about like music that just feels good. Sometimes my worst kind of thing is like music that's trying to be music that it's not. Ooh, yeah. Like trying to be cool, trying to be like overly stimulated. Here's my thing. I love real ******* no fooling gnarly hip hop. What I don't love is the pop iteration of that. I don't disagree. I'm going to interrupt you for one second. I'm literally looking out a window because I just wanted to have light. There is a stray dog walking around in that neighborhood across the street. Jeremy, do you think you want to help it out? What do you got a stray what? I could see a dog walking around. I know our neighborhood. It's not our dog. It's not a dog that belongs in this area and it's walking like aimlessly looking for something. You're going to send somebody to rescue that dog. I'm going to send somebody to rescue that dog. And bring him into the podcast. Bring him to the podcast. Maybe he has something to say. But yeah, no, I'm, I was like, I didn't mean to be distracted. But I'm like, there's something wrong. That's not supposed to be the case. Do you have animals? I have six dogs. What? Got a lot of dogs, Aaron. A lot of dogs. Wow. I, um, we focus on Jack Russell's who are insane. They're insane dogs. Yeah. We, we focus on Morkies, Maltese Yorkie mixes. Yeah. Very, very loud yapper dogs. Adorable. I've got a German shorthaired pointer. Wow. Um, got a mutt. Um, yeah, it's, it's, it's, I think it's because my kids are out of the house. So my wife and I are like becoming like, those are the kids. Those are for sure. Our kids now for sure. Like, are we going to take them on vacation? Which one goes on vacation? It's like the same conversations we had about our actual children. We have like, where can we, where would they like to go on vacation? Are they going to come? It's too much of a hassle. When's a good time? I'm having such a hard time this year. Like I'm very much like trying to figure out vacations this year right now. Cause like, if you don't do it now, like you're done. Where, where's your, where do you, do you like mountains? Do you like deserts? Do you like big cities? I feel like the beaches for the kids and my wife, like this is it right. Um, to start, we did the boat thing last year, not to be bougie, but we did the boat thing last year. Once first, first time. And that was in the Bahamas and Exumas. And it was the greatest trip of all time. It was like unbelievable. It was just unbelievably nice. Um, and it was like great. Cause it was just like really time together. Yeah. Beyond that, I haven't done Europe with the family. Ooh, how old are the kids? Me and my wife have done it. How old are the kids? The girls, she, they are 12 and nine. Okay. They're old. They're, they're just old enough to like, like a good Parisian gallivant. I feel like we could do it. And I would like go through Portugal to start and then go to like pop over to Italy and then maybe end in Greece. Cause we, I want to do Greece. Yeah. Greece is beautiful. I've never been. It's beautiful. It took me forever to get there too, but it's, it's as advertised. It's one of those places you go, Oh, I get it. It is what it is. Yeah. The food's great. And yeah, so I don't know. I'm just having a back and forth because, you know, the kids don't want to travel that far. They're just, they will also want to go that far. But then you have grandparents that would be involved. And it's like, how long do they want it? It's so, it's a mess. And of course I'm in charge and I get yelled at cause I'm not making a decision. What about Africa? That's too far for them right now. I would do it tomorrow. Oh, you, you have to do it. Have to have, have to 100%. It's the best trip ever. The family safari is the trip of there's, there's no other trip. Really? Like, like hands down. Hands down. Where did you go? I've done it twice with them. We did Tanzania. Um, I was shooting a Christmas movie in, um, South Africa. So we did the Kruger and in South, um, and we've done Kenya as well. It's unbelievable. And it's, it's just, there's, there's nothing like being there alone with your family. Like alone and doing what they call a fly camp, which is literally where they go. We're setting up a camp here. Like, it's not a camp that people go to. It's like, it's like, like boom. And there's no one, no one there. And like certain people are scared. Like my, my son, John Owens, super like scared of that stuff. My oldest son, Matthew is like down to clown. He's like, I hope there's a lion incursion in the camp tonight. Like it's, you know, it's got that adrenaline underneath it and the beauty of it. It's so great. Just something about it. I've always wanted to do it. My brothers have done it and I've, I'm dying to go. So yeah, got to do it. That's a, that's a good one. What is the rest of your year look like? Um, you know, we just got off like one of the biggest years of my like entire life. Wasn't your tour like expanded like to all these dates? We were supposed to be like 30 something shows, went to 76 shows. Jesus Christ. How do you like the road? Do you still like the road? I do, I do. I went, um, not to be that like, look what I just did. But like, I, I, I flew home every day off. What? Yeah. So I would fly home regardless of where we were. If I could, except for two days, two of the, it was just too far. We were on the West coast, like up in Seattle in like, it was just by the time I did it, it was like. You're back on a plane or whatever. It doesn't, it was like, I would be on the ground for three hours. It was like there in Vancouver and some other places. Yeah. Um, but I did. I pretty much got home. Like if I had a day off instead of just like posting up or whatever, like I flew. That's great commitment. You're you're, it will pay off with your kids. I think so. It also was like, I also realized that maybe it was a little like too much, not me, but it was like a little bit too, like always in and out to the point where like it became where couldn't get settled in too. There's like this weird balance. I've been working on it with my therapist, how to reacclimate to normal life. Oh yeah. It's a real thing. Do you ever come down? Like what's your process after a film being away, like getting back into the home rhythm? I just like you come in living differently for six months and then you're like, oh, my girls are young. So that's like dropping them off at school now and doing this and doing that. It's like, what does this all mean? I have it. I just came off of it. I did four movies this year back to back and then was home and then into the holidays. And so I like, and I was talking to somebody about is like, let yourself be tired, quote unquote, for no reason. I'm like, well, the reason is I've emotionally drained. Right. And or depressed for no reason. Yep. And, and have like feelings that don't fit. Like, like why am I, what the ****'s wrong? Like I slept plenty yesterday. Why am I tired today? Or why do, why do all I want to do is work out or why do I like. That's, that's, that's the one for me. Like I get back home and all I want to do is like. Just crush the job. Immediately go to like run for 30 minutes, go lift, go into the sauna. It's like, I'm like in this, my wife's like, why are you like trying to prove a point or something? I'm like, no, I think it's my only way of like feeling busy without being busy. Yes. One hundred percent. I go to sleep thinking about, okay, I'm going to wake up at this time. Then I mean, I think I'm going to do legs tomorrow. And then after maybe I'll do the run. No, I shouldn't do the run. I don't want to do the cold plunge before I do the weights for sure. And maybe I'll golf, maybe I'll golf. Let me get a late tea time. And then that's what my head does. If I could, we're in Jersey and it's cold. It is, it got very cold. It's been a cold winter this year. I will say I, I need to be able to golf more often. I love it so much. And it is, we have a golf simulator. Thank God, you know, full swing hooked me up. They did a, they did me, did me right. Full swing's great. I have, I have one, but it's not hooked up. Yeah. Oh, it is changes everything. But you know what? My favorite thing to do in the world is my daughter's obsessed. Santa brought her a brand new pair of PSG golf clubs for Christmas. Yes. Yeah. And she's like pretty good. Like she's got like a real like swing on her. And I'm going to like, very much like. Lean into it. Giving myself to this, right? Like lean in. Cause it's, it's rare when you find the thing that one, you're not pushing them to do. And two, they absolutely love. And as you know. And they're also kind of like talented at. And as you know, there's, there's nothing better than if you learned that golf swing as a child. Nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing. I wish I would have like gone with Nick to do it. Cause he golfed so from an earlier age. And I just wasn't, I was like teenager drive. I just wasn't interested. He's a stick, right? What's what, what do you think his index is? He's a six. Yeah. When he plays, like he, when he, cause like, you know, yeah, I think he's going back to back movies right now. I'm coming off the holidays. He was at the gloves last night with his wife. He's going straight into something. He had his album coming out in February, his first solo album. So like they know how to stay busy. Right. He does not stop. So when he can play. He's a six. Right. He's a member out there in LA. I'm a member here in two places in Jersey, which I love golf here in the East coast. That time of year is like unmatched in my opinion. 100%. But you get to golf all the time. So it's all the time while golfing today. Yeah. I love it so much. And I, it's the only thing I also love to practice. Love it. Love to practice. I'm so happy that the full swing guys like hooked it up downstairs. And, but like my favorite thing to do is like, I was down there with her last night. She was just like, she was, I was watching the game on the other TV. Well, on this big screen, I'm watching her correct her swing and be like, oh man, I really got to square this up. It's my, my club face is just too open. It's a dream. My club face is just a little too open. Dad, what do you think? Am I going out to in, into out? Like what's happening? I'm like, watch the videos. We like pull it up. I'm like showing her the video. Like it's the greatest thing. It's insane. By the way. And PXGs are the best. They're the best. Oh my God. We're so such huge fans and absolutely love them. And we're actually members over at Scottsdale national. Oh, I've never played. I never played it. I get invited. I know they. You have an open invitation with me to come for a weekend. Next time I go, you're coming. If you're not on a movie, everybody says it's, it's the great. And I've had, um, um, uh, Parsons on the podcast. I interviewed him on this podcast. How incredibly cool is he? It's amazing guys. Have you listened to him and Renee are just, they're unbelievable. I'm obsessed with them. I think they're the coolest couple in the world. And he is so interesting. So interesting. His book is amazing. Oh my God. It's incredible. And he's just a good guy. And like, every time I see him, he's so welcoming. And this place is for people, everyone listening. It's a very special golf club that was built to be like this guy's Mr. Bob Parsons backyard, but it's really the Scottsdale national, but PXG. It's like, it's a whole like culture that like shake. It's a whole cultural shakeup. And I'm very honored to be invited to, you know, be a part of this club. Um, have you played Augusta? I have not. Nick did the Monday after the, uh, the, the master. Oh, that's insane. I know they leave the pins. No. Yeah. I've, I can't, I can't even imagine what that's like. I would shoot like 200. Oh yeah. Like for sure. I'm gonna, I'm like an 11, 13 somewhere in there. Right. Yeah. My gin, my gin doesn't like update enough. I feel like, I feel like I have, I put too many bad scores in for it not to update to be a higher number at this point. Yeah. It's funny. I I'm of, but every time I have one good number, it's like, I, I, yeah, I feel like it's like going back to talking about the algorithm. I'm like, I'm not sure the gin algorithm is really understanding my scores. I think. Correct. I agree with you on it. Someone's got to do a deep dive on it. Yeah. I think it's all full of ----. I'm currently, I'm currently an 11. I've been as low, been as low as a nine and I'm sort of parked unless I really, I'm sort of, I know I'm going to shoot in the eighties. The question is, am I going to flirt with around in the seventies and maybe, maybe get it one, one or two, a couple of times. Or are you going to maybe break 90? That that's where I am. And honestly, we're the exact same player though. We'd be the exact same index. I'm an 11.6. Like I'm straight. Like, and half the time I'm 80, 88. Yep. And there are days where I'm like, 82, 82. Like if I would've just made that put. Same. And here's the good news. This is what it's for me when I'm quote unquote, not playing like this is. That's the problem. I'm pretty high when I don't be consistent when I'm not consistent through the winter. So that's why I wanted that full swing. Yeah. Cause you don't have the winter. See, I, that's the thing is I can, I've got the weather. So that is, that, that would be the difference. If I literally could not play because of weather. Well, I think that would probably do cause I could play all year long. Yeah. See, I think that I have moments of obviously now it's the first time that we just moved in in April. So now I have a winter with a simulator, which is going to change everything. I'm going to be so much better. No, that what's going to happen is I'm going to leave when I first finally play this year. Oh, so here's what you need to do. I'm going to get so upset because I'm not performing great. So, you know, like it's. So you've, you're, you're, you work for Netflix all the time. Last year I won the net first Netflix golf tournament. Oh my God. So they're doing it again this year. You have to make sure you plan it. So it's, it's, it's in a, it's at Riv. Oh, it's a Riviera. Riv is amazing. And, and it's, um, it's a best ball. Oh, okay. And yeah, I'm not winning anything on my own. That helps that. Yeah. And my partner, I just wrote, I just wrote my partner the whole time, but, um, but we, we want it and we're defending champions this year. So it's during the Netflix is a joke. Um, that, that like week period that they have over there. Somebody please. I mean, okay. We're going to make sure, but have your people like, come on, man. I'll reach out. That'd be great. That'd be so fun. I would love that. It's really fun. And like really cool people play it really like it's hilarious and unusual people. And it was like, well, I like things like that if it's the best ball, because honestly, all you need is a couple of good swings in the day. Like you don't have to be great. Yeah. You feel like you contributed. Hit a putt, you know, play your drive. Oh, you don't have a random drive. That's like, well, where did that come from? You know, that's my big thing. What's your big thing in your game? Now we're just a golf podcast at this point. I know what's your big, what's your big hangup in your game? My big hangup is getting on greens and regulation. Okay. So, so, so my, my hangup is like, I've got 170 to the green and getting on it. When I get on that green, I'm like, oh, like when you, when you, when you're putting for birdie. My big thing is off the tee. My irons are my, like, definitely. I don't know why I have like consistency. I know what I'm going to do, whatever. For the most part, you know, golf is not, I'm never perfect, but like I have more confidence in that. And then, but the long stick to drive, like I could either be incredible or absolutely terrible. And I've worked so hard at it. And it's just something about it. My brain breaks. I, I, and I'm just to the listeners. I promise we'll stop talking about golf in a minute. We really will. But I, I had that happen to me for the last nine months off the tee. I had it happen to me. So terrible. And you know what I did? You know what I did? I had every, every, no, I hit the, I, I've done every golf coach, every use the three wood user. I stopped thinking. I stopped practicing. And I went up there and thought I'm a, I'm a tennis player. I'm going to use, I'm going to use my risks and I'm just going to risk this ******* thing out there. And the next thing you know, it was back. There you go. Lucy goose. Yeah. I, I, I definitely have anticipatory anxiety about walking up to the tee box, um, or anxiety in general, but it's, it's a thing, but I'm working through it. We got to do it. We got it. Let's, let's make sure we get on each other's teams or something. I don't think they let two, two P I think you have to work with, I think it's a pro you have a pro. Pro. And yeah. Yeah. My, my son and I want it. That's so cool. Well, listen, this was great. I, I'm excited, uh, for, for the, for you to have a little bit of time off. Yeah. You'd be excited to get back to work. I'm like heading to LA tomorrow. Yeah. See, you're not who you kid, man. You're not. Yeah. I'm taking meetings tomorrow because, you know, whatever, because you do. You're grinding, you're flying across the country. Yeah. That, that to me is like my commute. So it's like weird. It's like everyone, have you ever talked to people like that? And they're just like, I don't know how you guys travel like that. But I was like, what do you mean? It's just what we do. It's just like at a certain point, it's just how it is. It's yeah. 100%. I mean, I, I live in Santa Barbara and people in LA, I'll have a late dinner and they're like, okay, I gotta go. You're not driving back. And always, they would say, you're not driving back to Santa Barbara tonight. Right? Essentially. They don't say, are you? It's always, you're not. I don't know. That's an, that's unimaginable. I'm like, yeah. How do you know how you do? And it's just what I do. Right. You just do it. I'm going to go to my brother's show in the city tonight. Cause he has a concert, like an independent show. Joe does. And he's like, are you gonna stay in the city after the show? You know, whatever. I'm like, no, I'm gonna go home to New Jersey. He's like, really? Yeah. Like it's an hour, 45 minutes. What are you talking about? Waking up, waking up in your own bed is unlike anything else. For me, I think I've hit that point in my life now. It, for me, it's like, it's worth, it's worth, I think up to five hours of travel. I agree. I feel like that, I feel like that might be the thing. I mean, if it's like, I'm not, I'm not crazy. No, you're not wrong. Actually, just, this is really interesting. Cause you just said that. Cause I think I just hit this point in my life because we finished our tour. On the 22nd of December. And we were all the way in Brooklyn at the, at, at Barclays. And we had a little after party thing. It was getting late. It was nice. We were with everyone. I was like, go to Joe's house. Cause he lives in Brooklyn. I'm like, he has a house there. And he's like, you know, come over for nightcap. And we're like, I had a hotel room. I did just in case this, you know, whatever at the, at the hotel there. And I was like, I looked at my wife and she goes, I'm gonna go home. I was like, let's go home. And waking up that morning, not having to like get, this is like, obviously very, very awesome problems, but like waking up in the hotel and be like, all right, get all our stuff together. Now go like take the commute home. Are we going to eat before we go? Should we grab something to eat before we go? Yeah, exactly. And all of a sudden you're home at four o'clock and it's like, and yes, those days are important and taking that time is important. But like the fact that I woke up at home, like my, I was like, everything about this is perfect. I'd rather wake up with three hours of sleep at home than have gone to Joe's apartment and gotten seven hours of sleep. Correct. I'm for sure. They're in my life now. I never was. Yeah. We're, we're, we're dads, man. It was even that way. Like at New Year's Eve, we performed in Miami and we were all hanging out. And I looked at the clock. I'm like, you know, if I leave now, it's definitely going to be like, not as bad in the morning. You know, like I never used to think about like that. That's where I'm at. We're approaching old people. I'm damn near 40. Yeah. I mean, I don't even want to tell you how old I am. It's a lot older. You look, you look, you look 47. It's 62. But who's counting? You definitely don't like, not that you look, anyone looks an age, but like, you look like 50, I would go 54. Wow. Thank you. I'll take that. Like for real though, like, like a true, like 50s. I will, I will take that and run to the cold plunge and run to the infrared sauna and run to the PXG golf simulator. Love it. With all that. Brother, thank you. That was super fun. Thank you so much for taking the time. It was great.