Avatar: Fire and Ash continues the next chapter of Pandora’s saga, and the cast has plenty to say about Jake Sully’s evolution, Quaritch’s shifting loyalties, and Varang’s fierce and fiery presence. In this chaotic (and TMI tbh) interview, Grae Drake sits down with Sam Worthington, Stephen Lang, and Oona Chaplin to dive into the emotional and physical challenges of Avatar: Fire and Ash — and what fans can expect next.
Sam Worthington reflects on Jake’s growth, joking about what life would actually be like at ten feet tall and how performance capture has changed since the early films. Stephen Lang discusses Quaritch’s unexpected vulnerability and why his dynamic with Varang goes far beyond simple villainy. Oona Chaplin breaks down how she built Varang’s movement, rage, and “lava-like” center of gravity, inspired by Zoe Saldaña and the elemental energy of Pandora itself.
The trio also talk about James Cameron’s organic shooting process, the long timeline from Way of Water to Fire and Ash, and how “living organism filmmaking” shapes the final movie. They tease new alliances, dangerous attraction, and character integrity that blurs traditional hero/villain lines.
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It's not easy for him to do, when she first goes to, you know...
Excuse me?
Yeah.
And that should make you want to see the bandit.
How hard is it doing interviews for a movie that you shot a gajillion years ago?
Well, it's a weird thing, because we did start in 2017.
Right?
Yeah, we did this and The Way Out of Water at the same time.
But the thing about these movies is, we do a big block for like a year and a half,
then we kind of like, I call it Doctors on Call, because Jim will call you up and say,
like, I've got another great idea.
And because of the way we shoot it, we can drop back into the world and create more stuff.
So it's almost like painting.
So it hasn't, it wasn't, to me, it wasn't really kind of like shot many years ago.
It's been this progression, working on it right up until it gets released.
I mean, and the result for me and the audience too,
is that it almost feels like a living organism in a way,
like not like it's ever a fixed movie, that it's sort of a...
Yeah, it's never felt that way.
It's an organic process.
How we film it is organic.
How Jim works is very organic.
And I think that translates into that film.
I think you're exactly right.
And now we've got you in a really different position than you were in Way of Water,
where like you're, now you're MoCap.
Well, I was performance capture in Way of Water as well.
I was not performance capture in the original Avatar.
How do you imagine life would be different if you could really be 10 feet tall?
Be different?
I just...
He is 10 feet tall.
Thank you.
He didn't stand, I didn't know.
Shopping, sitting, you know, would be more different.
Sleeping with...
Sitting in a car.
Maybe I could actually get more of the bed than I get with my wife right now.
Takes up a lot.
But if I had the...
It's not so much the height, it's the tail.
Oh.
I'm going to be thinking about that later today that you said that.
Well, I'm going to have to think about the question
because I don't think I gave a very adequate answer.
But then again, I think it was kind of a numbnuts question.
We've never met before, it's all I do.
Noted.
I also, with Ron coming into this movie being so ferocious,
I wanted to know if there was any kind of like physical,
almost animal inspiration that you had because I was terrified all the time.
But yet I feel very safe right now.
That's a mistake.
I should have made my finger off the question.
Oh my God.
He liked it.
It was a really big challenge for me to play somebody that was so far away from how I am.
But it was also very delicious, you know, and there was something that was easy about it.
I could understand her anger.
I could understand her rage that comes from a really deep grief.
You know, I had a lot of compassion for her right away.
But then there was the movement.
A lot of it was inspired by Zoe because it's like,
okay, well, she's like, you know, moving from the heart and so graceful and all these things.
And then it's like, okay, well, what happens when you just close up that heart?
You just tie a really tight rope around the chest.
And then where does your center of gravity go?
And then it just dropped into the pelvis.
And so it was like, okay, so that's where she moves from.
Yeah, like that root chakra-like.
Yeah, the lava, you know, the magma of the force.
And then the bugong was a really good, you know, the way that they have to move.
And when I first put them in my hand, it was so clumsy and did not flow.
But you have to kind of get the movement just right and then it becomes really sneaky.
It was cool. It was a really good experiment.
But he helped a lot as well because it was like,
just looking at him and looking at the way that he was looking at me.
And then it was like, okay, I can buy it myself now because I buy him.
This alliance between your two characters also is very upsetting.
Like, just as a person watching, I'm like, uh-oh.
Yeah, they're in trouble.
Can you talk about, for people who haven't seen the film yet,
what you would say that that mutual respect is based on?
Like, what can you tease for everybody going to watch this?
Well, there's respect, I think there's one way to phrase it.
But there's more than that.
And I think there's an attraction as well, which is kind of very different for this character.
You haven't seen that at all yet.
It's kind of hot.
Well, hopefully that's what it is.
I don't know what we set out to do, but that's organically,
I think that's what Jim Cameron wanted.
These are both characters with a lot of integrity,
which I think is like something that for villains,
it's not something that you would naturally associate with a villain.
It's like integrity. Although they're not villains.
We're the heroes.
Yeah, no, no, certainly of your own story as well.
And I don't, that's what's interesting about the movies.
It's not a simplistic view at all, ever.
Well, you know, it takes a certain amount of pressure off one
when you meet someone who's maybe more powerful than you are.
You know, that it's actually kind of a relief for Claridge to submit.
Definitely.
It's not easy for him to do.
When she first goes to, you know...
Excuse me?
And that should make you want to see the verdict.
Whatever it is she does, it's cool, you know.
And he's not sure about it that he wants that done to him.
And then when it is kind of, when it is done to him,
it's like, eh, do it again.
Is that okay?
Oh, golly.
Is my face now fire and ash?
It's a PG.
There you go.
That I don't understand.
There was a PG.
Yeah.