Last Night on UFOTWITTER - Episode 4 - Bigfoot or Bullshit?

She's picking up a massive object in this video. Ships that might be cloaked, I can sense them in my vicinity. So I guess I'm just very tuned in. Vulcan head honcho walks out, ear reveal. Yeah. The crowd goes, oh my god. Was to protect the secrets from the Air Force that were not out there in public. So. Hello, hello everybody. Welcome back to Last Night on UFO Twitter. This week, we are going to be discussing with our beautiful twits, twats, Twitter people of the Twitter community, Bigfoot. Other known as Sasquatch, Skookum, Yeti, Wildman, Forest People, you know, Portal Jumping. Don't forget Skunk8. Bringing in the Twitter people here. That's Andy's voice you might hear and Dale. Pastor Dale is going to be speaking right off the bat. But without further ado, hello, welcome everybody. And let's kick it off with Dale. Pastor Dale, could you please tell us something that's somewhat positive for the week to kick off the show? OK, well, I'm going to talk about positivity. I want to talk about being optimistic. And so I began by saying we are in it to win it. That's why we're here on X. That's why many of you are listening to KGRA radio. We are in it to win it. Of course, I'm talking about getting to disclosure. I'm talking about the president of the United States or some other world leader coming out and saying we are not alone. Those are the four words we all want to hear. We are not alone. For those of us who take disclosure seriously, it can feel like we're riding on an emotional roller coaster. It reminds me of the original Star Wars trilogy. Episode four, A New Hope, ended with Luke Skywalker blowing up the Death Star and restoring the power of the Republic. The message of episode four was we are winning. In episode five, the Empire strikes back. The Republic is under attack, and Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and the other rebels are on the run. It ends with Han Solo being captured and put in a cryo chamber where he is to be sent to Jabba the Hutt. The message of episode five was we are losing. In episode six, Return of the Jedi, balance is once again restored in the galaxy. Han Solo is freed. Luke finally reaches his father, Darth Vader, and saves his soul. The new Death Star is destroyed, and the Emperor is killed. Or is he? The message of episode six was we have won. You know, that's exactly the roller coaster we have been on. We remember, but always remember this, we are in it to win it. To do this, we have to stay optimistic. We have to have the right attitude. Talking about attitudes, there is a story of two boys. One was an optimist, and the other a pessimist. The little boy who was a pessimist was taken to a room filled with brand new toys. There is every kind of toy imaginable in that room. But instead of being happy for all his brand new toys, he immediately begins crying. The man who took him into the room asked the little boy, Don't you want to play with any of the toys? Yes, the little boy cried. But if I do, I will only break them, and they won't be new anymore. The second boy, the optimist, was taken into a similar room, but instead of being filled with beautiful new toys, it was filled with horse manure and a shovel. The boy grabs the shovel and immediately starts digging, saying there has to be a horse in here somewhere. Attitude is everything. I said attitude is everything. If we are in it to win it, we have to have the right attitude. I think that is so true. My uncle told me a long time ago, every day is like taking a bite out of a huge ---- sandwich. Some days you have to take a big bite, some days you have to take a small bite. Either way, you have to deal with some ----. If that little boy was looking for a horse at the bottom of a pile of manure, good on him. But I think we all have to shovel some ---- in life. It is just part of the struggle. It is part of our duty to put up with ----. Every week we are going to have to put up with it. Every day we are going to have to put up with it. It could be a small degree or a small amount day to day, but it could be a large amount. I just got back from a short trip to hang out with my family. My dad has suffered a brain bleed. For a little bit there, we didn't know if we were going to lose him. I live far from my parents. I have to fly to see them. I can't just walk down the street. It was good to know he is okay. Spend some time with them. Get a bit of a family recharge in a positive way. I am not going to say my family is all positive. I don't think any family is all positive. We should love our family members. We should try to love our mother, father, brother, sister. Whatever you got. I guess why I am bringing that up is because that was a bunch of ----. That was a negative thing that I had to deal with. My dad had to deal with it. My mom, my brother. You just got to shovel. You got to pick up the shovel and try to do your part. Thanks for the story. Thanks for the encouraging words, Dale. Always appreciate it. We have Bob up here. Pronounced Bob. How are you doing, man? We can't hear you. Maybe drop down, jump back up. Yeah, I can't hear you. He's on his laptop. He might not have his mic set up properly. Ask him if he wants to jump on his phone or something like that. Some other people we got up here. Red, you're a good man. How are you doing? I'm doing good. What's up, Darcy? What's up, everybody else? Can you guys hear me okay? Yeah, you sound good. Welcome to KGRA. The listeners are getting a little red octopus right now. How you been? What's been keeping you busy, man? Not much, a whole lot right now. Yeah, I saw you posted this earlier, so I thought I'd join in. Yeah, not a whole lot going on right now. I do have a little bit of overlap in my research and stuff with Bigfoot and Sasquatch or Yeti, whatever you want to call it. I thought it was really cool. I don't have any personal experiences with it, but I'm very interested in it. And so is one of my family friends. My wife's a really good friend. So I just thought I'd hop in here. I put up a couple of posts up in the nest. So if anyone wants to take a look after the show, go ahead and take a look. Yeah, thanks. I don't have a whole lot of info on it, Darcy, but more here just to listen. Yeah, thanks for having me, man. Yeah, anytime. My whole journey with Bigfoot, Sasquatch was back in 2015. I was invited through an ex-girlfriend, to be honest, to go on a familiar. We were both working in this travel industry. She got offered a free trip to this area in British Columbia called Harrison Hot Springs. And Harrison Hot Springs is home to an indigenous tribe called the Stahelis, which are unseated native Canadians, basically. And in that area of British Columbia, which is actually only about a two-hour drive from Vancouver, if people know where that is, that area is home to the legend of Sasquatch. The word Sasquatch actually originated from the Stahelis tribe. And so the story with that, this guy back in the 1800s, I think it was like 1820-something, his name was J.W. Burns. He was a resident school teacher, so he worked on the reserve. They were kind of like bringing the indigenous peoples into the fold of the Western society as we were populating different parts of Canada. And when he was trading information with them, he learned about the fact that there was this tale of a large, hairy, ape-like creature that lived in the deep wilderness of British Columbia. And they actually pronounced the name Sasquatch. So if you go walk around Harrison Hot Springs, that area today, you'll actually see placards and stuff, and these illustrations on pathways and stuff. They've actually invested in educating the public there on the idea that the Sasquatch is a real creature, or at least in the lore of these indigenous people. And J.W. Burns did not pronounce that properly. He called it a Sasquatch. And that's how we got the word Sasquatch. So that's an interesting thing. Sasquatch has been seen by many of the native peoples of British Columbia for hundreds, if not thousands of years, because this is where they've lived, right? In certain tribes, they call it Skookum. That's another name for this hairy, ape-like creature. And other tribes call it all kinds. There's one called Zuniqua. That's another indigenous name for it. And the Zuniqua is etched into the totem pole of that tribe that actually designs those large wooden totems with different faces and art into them. Now, that tribe is on Vancouver Island, I believe. I don't know if that's— I don't think it's the Stahelis, but it's another tribe. So long story short there, you've got multiple different indigenous people all reporting the same sort of mythical creature with their name, their own name for it. And Bigfoot, the name came from the United States. Now, this happened in the Three Rivers area of Northern California. It was 1952, and they were building a railroad through Northern California as we actually traveled across North America by the vast majority back in the 50s, 60s, that type of era, over rail. People were not keen on flying back then, and we hadn't quite figured it out in the 50s in a really big commercial way. The 70s was kind of like starting to really get popular air travel. And while these crews were building this trainway through Northern California, which is also surrounded by indigenous tribes and stuff in that area, they were coming to their equipment in the morning, coming to their gear, and things were moved around, like two-ton devices and stuff for driving these train tracks into the ground and flattening and clearing out forest and all that type of stuff. Were they eating the equipment? No, no. They were tossing it around, so there would be barrels full of metal train pins for putting down the rails and stuff, and all that stuff would be found deep in the forest, moved around. So it was kind of spooking the people that were working on this development, so to speak. And when the newspapers and the media was catching wind of this because people were leaving the job site, like workers were actually seeing these creatures at one point, when that hit the news media, the first article that was published about what was going on up there said something to the degree of big foot, and then in parentheses beside that, feet, because obviously there was more than one foot, found all around train site where building has been happening in Northern California, yada, yada, yada. People are seeing these large creatures like apes, and that's how the tale of Bigfoot started. So that's why it's a singular name. It's because of that first news headline that came out in 1952 in Northern California. I actually did this kind of research. I actually looked into Bigfoot and Sasquatch because of my own education of it. When I lived in British Columbia and I was going to Harrison Hot Springs and meeting with people that were experiencers of this creature or had been very well educated in the stories of them, so I made some documentaries about it. The first one came out in 2016. It was called The Unwanted Sasquatch. I think it's free on Amazon Prime at this point. The second one was just kind of a follow-up of that, and I talked about all of these other cultures around the world that also reported seeing wild men, in other words, like relic hominids, like these ape-like creatures in the deep wilderness of their parts of the world. I'm yammering here, and I'm going to bring you guys up to talk with me about it, but I mean, for example, in China, in the Shenanjia National Rainforest there, they have monuments built for their wild man, which is called the Yeren. It has a very large footprint. It stands anywhere between 8 to 10 feet tall. It's covered head to toe in brown or dark, thick fur, and people have reported seeing these around their national rainforest. In Russia, you have like a more stout version of this relic hominid, which they call the Almasty. What's a stout? Pardon? So there's a creature in the UK, a stout, and you're saying like it's a hybrid between a stout and also Pythagoras, is it? No, so there are gentlemen out there that have hypothesized that there's a relic hominid, like I guess something that's kind of like a human but more ape-like, and two of these relic hominids that we actually have plenty of fossil record for that we can prove walked on our Earth at one time is the Australopithecus, which would have been a more slim, I guess like closer to the human form, ape-like man. Given. And then there's another one called Gigantopithecus, and that one was called Gigantopithecus Blacki. It came from actually the Himalaya area, and we have the tales of the Yeti. Yes, the Yeti. The Himalayas, yeah. The interesting thing about the Australopithecus, not Australopithecus, the Gigantopithecus Blacki is that it fits almost, if you look it up online, its description, the illustrations of it, the way that it had this cone-shaped head, almost like a gorilla, and it stood 10 feet tall and walked in a bipedal way, not on all fours like a gorilla. Yes. That creature, we have plenty of teeth and lower jaws and upper cranial structures and stuff we found all around the forested areas of the Himalayas. I guess the question I have when I looked into this is, at one time on our planet, we know for sure we existed, right? We know that we used to think that we only existed maybe 100,000 years ago. Then we changed that. We started finding more modern human bones and stuff up to 250,000, 300,000 years ago. It just keeps getting longer ago. The earliest Gigantopithecus Blacki fossil records that we found have been around 200,000, maybe even 150,000 years ago. That's right in the middle of when we know we were proliferating around the planet. That means we would have come upon them more often in the wilderness or where we were living. They might have come upon us in small villages or communities that we were originally building. When I look at the idea of Bigfoot or Sasquatch being a real entity or real being, I kind of allude it to being this creature that may not have gone extinct, that still lives in deep wilderness, that's related to all of these wild man sightings that we've seen throughout history that our cultures from around the world have named. Jump up, anybody. Oh, yeah. That was really good stuff, Daxi. Through my research, I'll just talk about a couple of cases that are just really, really good. The Sierra Sound, I believe it was in the 1950s or 60s. That's a really good case of the sound that were recorded. The Gimlin film, I put that also up in an S2. That's a really good case as well. For sure, there's something anomalous, really weird there. We were like, okay, that's not a person in a suit. That's definitely something. One of the two cases that I thought was very interesting was Portlock, Alaska. The local indigenous people there up in Alaska called the big hairy man. Sorry, can you just say what you mean by the Gimlin case? Because I've seen plenty about this. The Gimlin case. Yeah, the Gimlin case is the one where, I don't remember how tall it was, but it's the female Bigfoot that's walking from left to right. I think it's in Northern California. It's walking pretty fast, really big strides. There's other kind of anomalous things to it. I put it up in the case if you want to take a look at it. Two other big ones that stood out, 1940s Portlock, Alaska. They called it Nantinak, I believe, which is like big hairy man, also similar to what you said, Darcy, the Bigfoot up in Canada. And then one other one, I can't remember the name of it. I think it's like Giari, I'll have to look it up. Giari, something like that. Louisiana, do you mind not interrupting when people speak? Sorry, sorry, it's coming through. Do you know when the volume's coming through at different times? I don't mean to, I'm sorry. It's okay, just raise your hand and I'll let you talk. Of course, sorry. One last point. In Vietnam, the United States was fighting over there, a couple other countries as well, Vietnam. There were encounters there, and I'll have to bring up the name, but it was called something else by locals, but it was Big Red Hairy Man, and it was very, very similar to what we have here about Bigfoot. But yeah, I put all that stuff in there, so let's take a look, but thanks for having me, and I'll drop down while other people talk. Thanks, guys. Stay around, man. Very cool. You don't have to drop down. I will add, quickly, to what Louisiana-born was born and bred. It doesn't really sound like he's from Louisiana. What he was saying earlier, can you elaborate on the Bob Gimlin film? I can elaborate on that. I know quite a bit of the history of that footage. That was captured in 1967, so this is a full 10 years before Star Wars' Chewbacca debut in Hollywood. Many people have made an argument that it might have been a guy in a suit, but if you look at that footage, it's been really well-dissected, slowed down, presented, zoomed in, and everything. This creature looks incredibly real. 1967, being filmed on an 8mm film camera. Bob Gimlin and Roger Patterson had heard for months about this creature or creatures being seen in Northern California. They decided to hop on horseback and camp out and go around the Three Rivers area. There's a riverbed there. That's why they call it the Three Rivers. When they were on their third day out, they finally came across a Bigfoot. They came across Patty. She's nicknamed Patty because if you look at the footage, she has quite large breasts that kind of jostle with each stride she makes. She's got these toes that furl up when she's taking an extended footprint. She's actually walking on the dry riverbed. But when they came upon her, she was crouched down sipping water from the river and she froze. She actually stayed really still because they didn't see her at first, but one of the horses started spazzing out because it sensed Patty sitting there by the riverbed. Then they finally noticed her and that's when Roger Patterson jumped off his horse and he started recording with this old 8mm camera and was literally running on the other side of the river, chasing after and trying to get as much footage of it as possible. If you watch the original footage, this is the Patterson-Gimlin footage. I'm sure you can see it on YouTube. It's everywhere at this point. The full length of footage, there's actually a lot of jostling because he's moving to try and keep up with this thing and get a really good shot of it. Before you know it, it's kind of like walking in the distance and its back is to the camera completely and you see this cone-shaped head with a peak at the top and you see these really, really wide shoulders. Just take a look at its legs, its breasts. There seems to be a lot of working muscles and real anatomy in that footage. It's really old footage. It was really hard to fake something. Gorilla suits, you can slap that on and make a new Sasquatch video any time of day these days. We're seeing that all the time. Andy, co-host Andy Marciel, who's up here, he knows it. There's so much hoaxing that goes on in this field of researching the cryptid Bigfoot or Sasquatch. The recent videos are super bogus. They could have been a commercial for a candy bar or something. Some of the older stuff is really, really good. Thanks for bringing up the Patterson-Gimlin footage. That footage, too. When you think about where they were when this was spotted, do you know what it would take for them to pull off that kind of stunt with a suit that was that realistic-looking, too? At that time, they didn't have suits that were that detailed. It was pretty wonky-looking costumes they had back in the day. They were in a very, very remote area. To pull that off would have taken a hell of a lot of skill. I'm pretty convinced that whatever was captured was 100% real flesh-and-blood creature that they captured. Louisiana, did you want to say something, bud? Experience, that is a hand up. Experience, welcome, buddy. Can you guys hear me at all? Yeah, we can hear you, Bob. Yeah, we can finally hear you. I just wanted to say hi to Darcy and let you know I'm a big fan of your work and introduce myself. Andy's been itching me to get ahold of you and yap with you. Yeah, I appreciate you coming, man. It's good to hear your voice. Let's chat a little bit about you in a little bit. Let's go back to Experience. Welcome, let's talk about Bigfoot. Yeah, I definitely got some Bigfoot information. I live out in North Carolina now, but Arizona's got the Mogollon Rim Monster. I don't know if you guys have heard about that, but the Apache Native Americans up there in the White Mountain area, I've seen that thing for hundreds of years. No, I've never heard of it. Yeah, you can go on YouTube. I'll have to look at it. I got to figure out how all this space stuff works. But there's YouTube videos of old newscasts and stuff about people talking about the Apache monster up there and how often they see it and stuff. I've never personally seen it up there, but obviously the lore behind Travis Walton and some of the other sightings that they've had in the White Mountains areas, but just kind of par for the course. Yeah, absolutely. Mogollon Monster, right? Mogollon Rim Monster, yeah. That's the snowflake area, right? The Mogollon Rim is where Travis Walton was abducted. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, cool. Interesting experience. Welcome, man. No, you're good. What up, Darcy? So yeah, back when Clubhouse was a thing, as a matter of fact, I think that's where I first came across you when you had the Joe Schneider documentary back then. So this was like pandemic times, right? Yeah. And I had a pretty large club that I was running over there, and I had a dude named Lyle Blackburn who was like a real cryptid guy. He's super into the research about Bigfoot and all the weird cryptids. So that was cool. But late nights in the space, there was a dude on the platform. I'll never forget his name. His name was Martin, right? And he was First Nation Sioux or Cherokee. And we would just be these late night rooms, similar to spaces, and everybody would just be talking about a bunch of ----. And he was saying, he doesn't really talk much or open up much about the stories that they had within his tribe, but he was going to tell us one that related to Bigfoot. So we were all like, yeah, please. You know, First Nation, they have their own history and lore about what and who Bigfoot is. So this was kind of a crazy story where I'm not sure if it was in the Dakotas or Wyoming. Some were very wooded. It was late at night, he said. Him and a couple of people were walking back to I guess their base camp. I don't know if they had set up tents or whatever, but they heard this very loud roar, curdling roar, which is attributed to Bigfoot. And they heard a bunch of rumbling coming from the woods. And he was like, this is going to be interesting. Then it took a turn for the left, which was he heard these helicopters coming. And then a helicopter pulled up right on him over the area where this curdling roar came from. And a bunch of Delta Force guys jumped out of the helicopter and were pursuing this thing. And then he said there was a flash, a light or something, and the thing just disappeared, which was very weird. So I kind of did some digging around and asked it around to see what the legend of Bigfoot was and how it kind of tied into UFOs and ----. Because I'm like, what's the tie in here? So they say that, and this is all speculation, right? This is not what I believe. This is just what I heard. So take it for what you want. The species of whatever Bigfoot was was the native creature on this planet that eventually had their DNA manipulated to get to us, to what we are now eventually. But they were the first ones here. But they were very elusive apparently because they could just jump through portals or some ---- like that. So maybe they have some kind of mastery of the energy on this planet to be able to do ---- like that. Obviously there's no proof or none of that and they've been very elusive even up to now. But I always thought that was an interesting story because it was a little different take of what people hear. Usually it's just some rumbling, a yell, maybe some sighting of it, but not a full-on Delta Force chase in the woods and the thing just disappeared. That's kind of crazy. The whole Bigfoot Sasquatch lore has so many interesting theories that intersect with ufology and go into crazy paranormal dimensions and stuff like that. One of the original guys that kind of talked about Bigfoot being able to go in and out of dimensions was this wild dude named Bill Merrill. I featured some of his testimony in my first doc and I think he was a little bit crazy to be honest, but it's not crazy to think that maybe there's another entity out there that could do some wild stuff. I mean a non-human intelligence that could fly around in UFOs is something people believe in, right? So who knows? Maybe Bigfoot is one of these things that can do that. I don't know. That's why the name of tonight's show is Bigfoot or Bullshit. I mean there's a lot of bullshit out there. There totally is. I remember Carrie Cassidy, she said she had a remote viewing or like a vivid dream that she had where she imagined like a primordial Earth and the Anunnaki came to the planet and when they came to the planet they were greeted by like these Bigfoot type creatures and that's who the Anunnaki worked with to create us. And then she also said she saw like Bigfoot that were enhanced with technology and carrying around laser guns and stuff, right? But is that real or is that just a grand delusion, right? It's hard to prove, right? Yeah, it's a cool story. It would make for amazing sci-fi but how do we prove that? And you know you got the Anunnaki man who's really just kind of taken over Anunnaki. He's like kind of pushed Zachariah Stitch right into a ditch and then like it's my stage is Billy Carson, right? He's now like the king of the Anunnaki. Yeah, I know Billy for sure. He's running with that crazy. I mean look man, since there's no definitive proof either way, right? It could just be stories. If it's bullshit, it's like okay, it's bullshit but how do we know it's bullshit? We don't really know it's bullshit. It could be true, it could be not. I just put it on the table of it's possible. You know what I mean? And just kind of leave it there. That table is full by the way. It's the same with the UFO topic. It falls in the exact same I guess you could say category because there's tons of fakes but we know that there's been sightings and talks about it and it's been throughout history. It's no different with this especially when it comes to the Native American culture that talks about them. You know what I mean? They had names for them. They respected them. They call them the big, the hairy men or something like that. So there's definitely some kind of truth to it just like any myth or anything is always like it starts off as some kind of truth even though it turns into the things that we know about now but it can't be dismissed just like that and it just makes it more difficult to study the topic or to study the subject because of it but when you go back in time these things for example like the Patterson video you can't dismiss that. You can't call it fake. You can't say it's CGI because it didn't exist at the time. And you can't dismiss a lot of the tales that people from the old days have about the things that they've seen and why they call them possibly dogmen maybe it's the exact same thing. There's got to be some kind of truth to it. Dogmen. There's some other cool stories out of even Russia or even Canada. I'm thinking of two different cases. You can look them up. Just look up like woman kidnapped by Yeti or Bigfoot in Russia and then in Canada you can look up or Google man says he was abducted by Bigfoot or Sasquatch and in both the stories they were kids. They were little kids or I think in her case she was like a tweenager and they were taken by these bipedal ape like creatures into the forest and with her story it gets a little bit dark. She ends up like having half human half Bigfoot babies. Yeah. It's a little bit wild but you know there's interviews with her and people in Eastern Europe or I think there was a famous Bigfoot researcher that was British. His name is escaping me. He flew over. He like went to the town where this story came from and allegedly like the genes of these like half humans are still in that area and then with the Canadian case this guy was missing for like three days or something in in the forest and eventually he was kind of let go by these Bigfoot and he says in his story that they were just like kind of like human but more of like a wild man you know so but he got back home and grew up and you know told this story to people that would listen and I want to say his name is like Albert something I can't remember but you know that that's out there and then you've got like guys like David Politis who has written many books in the missing 411 saga and David is quite convinced he also did the Hoopa project before he did the missing one 411 books and the Hoopa project was all about Bigfoot sightings and strange cases of these creatures in the wilderness so he took it very seriously and his missing 411 series which they didn't do many of that they didn't do when 1091 or the orchard did the missing 411 the hunted I think he wanted to include more Sasquatch or Bigfoot stories that allude to hunters going missing or people going missing in the forest but I think one of the executive producers on that real douche bag wanted it to be all UFO related and didn't want to relate it to like any Bigfoot related stuff and yeah so I think David Politis has you know he has a wealth of knowledge on these creatures as well and he's all about national parks national rainforest and people going missing so I mean just to throw this out there I'm going to drop down and listen after this the idea that if this Bigfoot species was real right and you tie this into the idea that NHI is real and has been observing us for a long time they would have crossed paths with whatever Bigfoot was at some point right so that always thought was kind of interesting and I couldn't get my head around it early on I was like why is this where is this connection is there a connection there at all or is just all bullshit you know well I heard an interesting theory I don't mean to cut you off in regards to that before I forget it so the theory is that if we have a species living underneath our feet somewhere under the ground of ancient humans that now we consider what we see as aliens pale skin big eyes that would technically what they would similarly look like if they were to evolve underground with no life to survive the ancient apocalypses that happened with the asteroids and all that ---- what if Bigfoot and this is I'm paraphrasing from what I heard what is a creation made by these beings that have been down there for all these thousands of years genetic modified creations that are made to basically guard the interests of their domains interesting and I heard that yeah that is yeah I guess mountains could lead to massive caverns and cave systems under under the ground right but it's just like what kind of proof do we have right I think one thing you could sort of point out to you know before you get super carried away and believe every story is a real Bigfoot or cryptid UFO alien Sasquatch story um we tend to anthropomorphize things right um as as human beings it's common for us to look at a creature that exists on the planet and like throw our own human image on it and what if um the aboriginal or indigenous people were trying to say to their kids don't go into the forest alone or the Sasquatch will get you because they're basically just creating a you know a horror story or a bedtime story to scare them into some form of mental control to make them aware and keep them from actually going into the forest alone and getting mauled by a bear you know um because we know bears are a very real creature that would take you and eat you um so there is that there there's definitely some of that and you know um can I speak up for a second yeah that would be that would be similar to the Little Red Riding Hood you know that that story was created you know so the kids wouldn't go into woods because there's woods and all kinds of things um the question I would have though is the fact that there are so many similar stories like how did every one of these different indigenous cultures come up with a similar story because you would think if it was just purely a story that the stories the creatures would be different and so that's just one of the questions that I have yeah that's that's kind of the thing that I that drew me to it initially because when I was young reading and all this stuff I just thought it was like okay um some campers saw it in the United States in certain wooded areas fine but it wasn't until later when you start hearing it and I start hearing it from first nation people where there's like a whole lore about it and they don't really open up a lot about specific tales just generalities I think you have to be really in with the native culture for them to open up to you fully and you know I've heard some interesting stories when it came related to just you know Sasquatch or whatever where I kind of put more credence into it hopefully believe all the way I don't know either way like you said I'm kind of always been data or fact driven as well but I always leave the possibility open so anyway um appreciate you talking about the drop down and I gotta check out Puerto Rico I've not checked out Puerto Rico yes that's on my list please do yeah thanks for popping up man good to hear you speak for sure take care brother um yeah funny thing about experience he mentioned that the first time we interacted was through this clubhouse and uh obviously clubhouse is like completely been dominated by Twitter spaces I thought it was pretty cool hence why I'm doing this stuff now but um back then I was invited to speak on Phil Schneider on the underground story by this guy who was like um a music video producer and he did stuff with uh snow who was like a white rapper from Toronto and he was kind of like asking me if I'd be interested in doing a documentary about snow because I'm Canadian snow's the guy that became famous in the 90s for doing that song like informer American ******* on a chair I like to be moved down like and it was a great song super catchy um but yeah just never really pursued that I should I think that would be cool just changing things up a bit instead of always doing the spooky weirdo docs that I do but um yeah let's talk to Bob and hey Osap Rocky good to have you up here man yeah man I'm up again okay so Bob people may not know who Bob is but I'm just gonna do a little intro before you speak um so Bob is a friend to the UFO community essentially back when Andy Andy Marciel goes by transmedium UFO up here follow him he's a good dude um Andy has a platform his social media platform is on like Instagram mostly it's called NYUAP discussion I keep telling them set your thing back up on here and just do it here it'd be great but um yeah just because there's less governors and you know control systems on Twitter that also leads to a bunch of like spam and trolls and garbage and stuff but uh it's a little bit more freedom of speech leaning on this platform which I like so back to Andy he created uh NYUAP discussion he's building up like a bit of a following and a lot of people are checking out his UFO content there and Bob who's up here found him and thought Andy was doing a really good job at you know discussing uh certain UFO footage whether it was credible whether it was fake CGI yada yada and they became friends they started talking and then Bob eventually leaked to Andy the now famous DHS UAP footage so the Department of Homeland Security footage um La Brouhab the A10 Warthog and the Rubber Duck footage which is the most contested you know in the UFO community um Bob was working at the time for Department of Homeland Security and he took it upon himself to get this footage out to the public and he wanted Andy to help do that so um you know in kind of an altruistic way and I keep telling people you know people poopoo uh Jeremy Corbell or they talk smack about all these other people that are bringing footage to the community um and you know the debunkers and skeptics go like well how did they get that how did they get their hands on the Mosul orb and stuff like that and the reason why is because of people like Bob who are working in some form or fashion in the intelligence or security um profession uh within the United States or Canada or some branch of the Five Eyes and they want to make a change they want to get this footage out to the public so they work with people like Andy like Jeremy like me uh because in my recent talk that I did with Andy Marciel we actually got to talk to the leaker from Puerto Rico who released the 2013 footage um and he worked for CBP which just so happens to feed into the Department of Homeland Security so there's a lot of interesting synchronicities there with Bob welcome thanks for coming up and speaking man how are you doing I'm doing good man thanks for uh having me on Darcy uh yeah like I said this is kind of been a long time in the making Andy's wanted me to you know chat with you so I'm I'm happy to be here to answer questions for you guys about any of it very cool man yeah I think there's a lot of questions people may actually have so um if anybody wants to ask a question Dale Osap Rocky Ray just uh sorry to cut you off you want me to just to kind of explain my background and stuff Darcy just to get people uh yeah understanding where I'm coming from so if you can keep it to two minutes because I have to switch off the KGRA radio stream yeah yeah yeah so I was uh I started out in the army in 1990 as a medic and then didn't stay in active duty was army national guard for been reserved for about 11 years altogether and then I did a stint in the fire department in Tucson and uh ultimately joined the border patrol after getting another degree so I've got a bachelor's in homeland security with a minor in terrorism studies and philosophy and theory and my background is more counter uh counter terrorism and my specialty is weapons of mass destruction so I've gone to some pretty interesting schools over the years and you know the border patrol recognized that you know I was I was older when I went in and had uh a lot of experience with the fire department and working with homeland security so they they put me right to work doing you know kind of specialty specialty things and ultimately landed on the uh Tucson sector special operations mobile response team and that's how I ended up finishing my career there. Very cool man. Uh well we're coming down to the wire I need to sort of switch over uh and shut down the KGR segment KGRA segment unfortunately they don't give me like a two hour segment they give me like one hour but uh you know maybe in a year from now I'll be bigger than George Norrie so with that I'm just going to cue the music and we're going to stay here we can keep talking with you uh for people that are listening on KGRA please head over to Twitter if you want to join this space we keep it going a little bit longer or go to the uh extended content on the KGRA website uh and with that thank you for tuning in to this week's show 200 years ago 2,000 years ago this isn't going to work she's picking up a massive object in this video ships that might be clothed I can sense them in my vicinity so I guess I'm just very tuned in Vulcan head honcho walks out ear reveal yeah crowd goes oh my god was to protect the secrets from the air force that were not out there in public so you