KGRA Radio's Last Night on UFOTWITTER - Episode 2 - Abduction, WW, Experiencers

I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a statement I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a scape hand Everything I do's so instinctive and so passionate Every word I move's so descriptive like an adjective I got a vendetta against people who patented Being negative when you should be getting after it I got facts over facts over tracks This and that, spittin' slow, spittin' fast I could roast, I could gas, think I'm okay, alas But I don't know if that can erase all the past And the pettiness, a reflection of the emptiness Hilarious, you think you're worth my time, you're delirious Mysterious, because you hide behind a fake exterior Inferior, you know I'll always be a bit superior Get off of me, this ain't no humble brag I want you to hear words, you can say them back I want you to feel free from the chains that last And to believe in what you got, it was built to last, yeah Now that I've been put through hell I never got anyone's help I had to do it all myself I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a statement I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a statement I'm gonna learn the consequence of being incompetent Mental health is confidence, dreams is a modestness I'm not here to save the day, that's for you to take away I could play a million mind games, but instead I say Something not illogical, something that is tactical Grab it on and watch it go, make yourself unstoppable Dreams are irresponsible, but they're always possible If you just believe, you could be so remarkable Thoughts in my head, a collage and they spread I'll be great one day, going off of my meds No I'm not giving up, no I'm not giving in I will make it to the top, taking off in the wind I gotta make it, I'm saving every day to taste it I'm patient, but my mind, it can hardly take it I'm chasing a dream that I've had for several ages Now that I've been put through hell I never got anyone's help I had to do it all myself I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a statement I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up and make a statement I don't ever slow up, no I don't take ---- I got no love for the fakeness If you wanna play tough and wanna hate this I'll always show up This week I wanna move on and talk about the words that we speak to others You see, words matter because people matter I said words matter because people matter Last week Darcy talked about his world history teacher Darcy's teacher failed as a teacher because he told Darcy what he could not do instead of what he could do Darcy's teacher should have been inspiring him to reach for the moon I mean, that's what great teachers do They inspire their students to reach for the moon Words matter Why? Because people matter You know, I love UAP Twitter For people who are interested in the subject there is no better place to go I've met some incredible people here and I just wanna say that I love you guys I love this community But as Darcy mentioned there is a problem in this community as well I've had some friends attacked because they had a different view on the subject than others did And I'm not talking about trolls here They are angry and hurt people trying to spread their anger and pain to others I can sympathize a little with them because I know hurt people hurt people Let me say that again I can sympathize a little with them because I know hurt people hurt people Even though I can sympathize a little with them What they are doing is abusing other people and there is no justification for that I, for one, am not willing to be their victim And so I block them Why? Because words matter Now, UAPX is filled with crazy stories What I've discovered is that they only seem crazy until they start happening to you I think many of you have probably experienced that as well Now, there is one subject that seems to bring a lot of controversy and that is alien abductions I get it Some of these stories sound crazy and especially when they come from people who appear to be disturbed I have wrestled with those people myself But then I wonder Are they telling these stories because they are disturbed? Or are they disturbed because the stories are true because these things really did happen to them And so I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt Now, Lou talks about alien abductions in his book Not that he studied them But more specifically he talked about alien implants in his book And so let me just say this If alien implants are real then alien abductions are real by necessity I mean, how did the implants get there if these people were not abducted? Hopefully we've gotten to the point now where we can have a serious conversation about alien abductions because there are far too many people coming forward for them all to be crazy for all of this to be fantasy Now, I'm not advocating that you have to believe every story What I'm advocating is that we let people share their stories And once they have shared their stories we shouldn't attack them just because their story sounds crazy Why? Because words matter Because people matter And the other thing I want to warn against is we've got to make sure for those that were abducted that we don't victimize them a second time by attacking them Now, here's why I bring this all up Darcy has created a beautiful space for us to share ideas Anytime you have this many people together there are going to be opposing views And so let me encourage you to not attack someone just because they have a different view than you do Especially in such a beautiful group like this UFO Treehouse is such an amazing name for this group You know, it takes me back to when I was a kid where me and some of my friends would go and hang out in this treehouse we had built I mean, we'd talk about everything under the sun And while we might tease each other we would never attack each other because we had different ideas In fact, my youngest daughter nailed the difference between kids and adults recently She said, Dad it's hard to talk to adults because they are fixed in their opinions whereas most kids are not They are flexible when it comes to new ideas And so that's what I'm asking everyone here to be to be flexible to be open-minded and to always remember that words matter because people matter Love it, Dale. Thank you so much for those kind words You know, often you are inspiring people Pastor Dale, what a good man Please stick around. How are you feeling, by the way? You were pretty under the weather last week, right? I have been healed I'm feeling a whole lot better That's awesome, my man. Thank you for bouncing back for us It's really good to have you each week Speak your piece before we kick off the craziness of the phenomenon So, you know, you mentioned that abductees let's say, you know, experiencers are the wider breadth of people that have witnessed the phenomenon So you've got people that have just seen a UFO in the sky or in the ocean, what have you You've got people that also maybe have seen non-human intelligence people reported that type of thing but then the abduction phenomenon to be taken most of the time without your will beyond without consent as Philip Mantle named one of his books to be taken without consent is that abduction and humans do it to each other but if we expand our minds and think for a second that maybe we're not alone in this universe whether that's a non-human entity from another star, another dimension another place on this planet in like a shadow biosphere let's say well then you're talking about something a little bit different and that is scary to many people many people shun the idea that it's even possible that we could be abducted and maybe there are some charlatans out there, maybe there are some people that create these ideas and stories in their head and then they broadcast them to the rest of the world for their moments in the spotlight for that 15 minutes of fame so to speak or longer but if one of these cases is real out of the hundreds and thousands that have been reported around the world I mean this is a common phenomenon if you start looking in to the history of it the abduction side of things seems to be something that's very commonly reported you know paleo abductions things like the story of Enoch being taken to the heavens and educated by non-human intelligence on how to live in society as a new sort of modern human being all of these stories need to be factored in when it comes to our history and a possible non-human intelligence and like I said if one of these stories is absolutely true it's incredible it's mind bending this is like the biggest story that's been held back from humanity so you know let's start off there let's talk about abduction we got Andy on the stage if you want to talk feel free I think you're on mic you're also a co-host so feel free to bring other speakers up and kick them at will if they're being annoying KGRA folks will look out for your questions on the different platforms that we're streaming to as well well you know my stance on this I've already had my experiences with possible abduction in my life it's one of the reasons why I it's one of the things that pushed me to start my page because I know I knew how impactful it was just to see something up close but I also know how psychologically damaging it can be to experience something like that and I know it's 100% real you know unfortunately people have they're not not everybody is in the right state of mind to be able to believe the stories that they tell because unfortunately there are some people out there who allow that to basically cloud their to cloud reality I guess in a sense and they create this this this other reality of theirs that they end up believing and it's what makes this subject so difficult to study because the human mind is very difficult to understand to begin with and when you add this that's already something odd and something weird mix it with that it just makes it almost an impossible topic to to properly you know dive into and get factual information from I'm not saying that people have to believe my account but I consider myself very logical and level headed individual there's nothing wrong with me I just know that what I experienced was real I don't know how to explain it but it happened well it happened a couple of weeks after I had my sighting here on Long Island I call it a close encounter because you know the object that I saw was only about 150-200 feet away from me there was a disc covering over my house but a few weeks after that I had an incident in my room where something woke me up in the middle of the night and as I was sleeping I felt something at the foot of my bed but I thought it was somebody walking around or you know just my imagination and after a few minutes of just laying there you know listening and I didn't have my eyes open I had them closed but I was conscious I felt another imprint like an impression on the foot of my bed on the right side and that's when I kind of was like alright am I imagining this or did this really happen because I just felt this so as I'm laying there just waiting to see what happened the first impression moves over to the side of my waist while the other impression that was about my foot moved to the other side of my waist and then I felt two more by the foot of my bed by my feet again and the ones by my waist moved to the side of my shoulders then the ones by my feet to the side of my waist and at this time by this point I'm terrified because I realized okay I'm not imagining this I don't want to open my eyes because I'm too afraid of what I might see or at least that's what my mind was telling me you know not to open my eyes I tried moving at one point but it was almost like I was paralyzed of fear that's what the impression I got throughout the encounter throughout the entire encounter and at one point as I'm laying there I can feel like something right in front of my face I can hear my breath and feel my voice bouncing back off you know whatever it was and hitting back on my face and then I stopped breathing but it wasn't from an external force like if something was choking me from the outside it felt like something was blocking my airway from the inside and I started like gasping for air as if I was drowning and at that point you know as scared as I was and for people that you know that never been in this situation the situation is scary because your mind is I mean at least in my situation I had my eyes closed the whole time so my mind is filling in what I can't see with the most scariest things I've ever experienced or things I've seen in movies so it made it even more terrifying to open my eyes because I didn't want to see what it could have been and eventually when I couldn't breathe no more I forced myself off I said screw it if I'm going to die because at that point I thought I was going to die I was like might as well see what's going to do it and I sat up off the bed and at that time I was going to church a lot Christian church and it was basically like you know God help me and I sat up and took a deep breath and ended up just being in my room but for many years I attributed it as you know sleep paralysis and it wasn't until I started researching abduction cases that I just couldn't believe how many people had the exact same experience but some people had their eyes open and saw what was happening to them and the crazy thing is that a lot of these experiences they weren't in their room so there's a very good possibility that I wasn't even in my room it's just the last place my mind remembers me being at which is why I attributed myself being in my room but it could have been that I wasn't even in my room at all Wow that's trippy thank you for sharing that with the crowd I just wanted to say welcome to Carlos Disclosure Memes Betty, Ruby from England Ursula Telling the Compelling, you're a good man Christian, Dave Balch, hope you're doing well bud Nick, Average Chris Man, I am a bunch of these people I don't know yet so I'm just saying hi to who I know in the UFO Twitter community so far, welcome welcome, feel free to jump up and speak if you want I wanted to go back to Dale for a second here, Dale you told me you know offline I don't know if you're comfortable with this but you know you have you're a pastor and you're part of a congregation I guess you would say and you have actually had experiences with other experiencers in the church or abductees, am I right in saying that? Yes, you are correct, and the reason why I've had access to them and been able to talk about it is because they know that I'm open to it and you know I haven't really made this public but I have my own story, you know I don't really I don't think I'm ready to share it today that's fine because it's pretty raw but you know last year I had like six different synchronicities going on and it just really drove me to try to go get some answers and stuff but the reason that they come to me is because they know that I'm open to it now I don't push this on anybody in the church you know, I just the people that are interested they know the ones that are not, I'm not going to push it on them because they're not ready for it but I've got at least two abductees and I have another person who had a sighting back in 1968 that there's no way you can explain it well I think that is something that the community has been trying to explain for decades now let's break down abduction just really quick here what's entailed in the experience that's reported by many of these people we call abductees so we've heard people discuss a strange encounter that sometimes is seeing a UFO or seeing a light and then seeing some kind of entities, some people have reported greys that type of thing and this is kind of like the capture moment then many different abductees they report an examination going on often inside of a ship or a room that looks like futuristic light emanating from walls a table that seems to like almost be cut right out of the floor that type of thing right and often in these examinations they have sexual experiences sometimes DNA taken and on top of that they have reproductive materials sometimes taken, this is what's been reported by many different researchers in the field like Bud Hopkins all these people that he interviewed back in his day, he's no longer with us David Jacobs was also an abduction researcher David Jacobs more famously was a doctor and did hypnotherapy in his sort of psychological practice Bud was an artist that started doing hypnotherapy famous for doing paintings and stuff like that, interestingly enough, and he came from New York but, you know, you have other really interesting things that happen in this abduction phenomenon you have a tour that's reported sometimes the captors say that they get to see around a ship or they get shown events from the future often dystopic or, you know, kind of doom-laden futures that many abductees have reported and these future projections serve as warnings, let's say people do often report loss of time this is called missing time in Bud Hopkins treatment of it and then they report being returned and there's an aftermath that aftermath usually includes things like ontological shock people being hypnotized and they get these memories back that maybe they weren't you know, I've heard people explain hypnotherapy or hypnosis as a form of unblocking memories but really, I had this explained to me pretty succinctly and I do agree with it I think that hypnosis really is a form of relaxation it allows people to take down their walls and relax to a degree that they feel like opening up about an experience that may not necessarily be something they'd want to divulge without that relaxation without that sort of prep to get to a place where they can really open up to the person they're speaking to and you know there are skeptics out there which we have to respect their opinion they do believe in the idea of false memory syndrome where these people are just conjuring ideas or memories out of nowhere with their imagination and that is being put there to serve as this kind of reality that they've made but what if they're not conjuring a false reality you've got to kind of look at both and I think famous abductees to bring up who are worthy of noting are obviously Travis Walton this was in the 1970s that he had his experience there was multiple witnesses four other guys that got lie detector tests and Travis was subjected to that there was also people that saw UFO activity around the time in Arizona near Snowflake Arizona where his encounter happened so you got that that's a pretty interesting case you do also have Betty and Barney Hill that's the most famous case that happened in the 1960s and this is a African American and white couple so they were pretty let's say rebellious for their time to follow the love that they did but many skeptics out there thought that maybe it was an attention seeking thing or they had watched they had watched what is it, Outer Limits or something the week before and in the Outer Limits was this first like graphical representation of a alien that had large eyes that wrapped around the side of a bigger head but the interesting thing again with their case is that a lot of things lined up UFO activity was happening at the same time in that area of the world that they were traveling so other people were reporting this UFO activity as well the Air Force took interest they took radiation recordings from their car where their car actually had some strange material burns or something like that on top of the paint of the hood of the car and that type of thing so there was just things like that later on Betty drew like kind of like an idea of where the people were from that took them supposedly they were from Zeta Reticuli which is a binary star system and this was told to the people that were interviewing her and investigating this case that the captors were from Zeta Reticuli and believe it or not in astronomy the Reticuli system was not even identified as a binary star system yet with in the 60s that they just didn't even have telescopes or the methods to figure out that that was true in in space and well there I guess they knew that there could be theoretically star systems like that but later on I think in the 1980s astronomers turn their sights to Zeta Reticuli and found out it was actually a binary star system and they called it Zeta Reticuli A and Reticuli B for the two stars there so I'm yammering on here I guess one other thing I could mention that you guys could talk about is the fact that Roger Lear was a pioneer in surgery on alleged abductees this was a man I can't remember what state he came from but he was involved in investigating all kinds of interesting cases he investigated the Virginia incident down in Brazil I think James Fox got a lot of the tapes and stuff from that research those research days that Roger Lear did and he also investigated this famous case in Turkey where it looked like this sort of like chevron shaped craft was hovering over the ocean and everybody debates whether you can when it zoomed in you could see this like alien or two aliens kind of looking out of a window of this craft really interesting stuff and that sighting was seen over a long period of time wasn't just that one video many people in that area of Turkey were seeing that over I think the course of weeks or months but Roger Lear did abductee surgery and patient 17 was one of Jeremy Corbell's earlier documentaries where they took an object out of that patient number 17 as Roger Lear would record and it was apparently a foreign object and Roger had been basically recording quite often that these objects emitted a radio signal they might have even had some kind of way of moving and Lou Elizondo's recent testimony on Ross Colthart's special on NewsNation was that there was literally an object removed from somebody that had threads coming out of it and you know this was a real foreign object that the person who had that implant said was an abductee thoughts, comments, jump up anybody simulation metrics I believe simulation metrics yeah he requested to speak sure pop him up because they were filming stuff, spaceships things you know on the planet of the moon and Mars too so I kept it secret for two years and I said you know what everybody's doing disclosure I might as well go ahead and just say something about it and I wouldn't doubt that they would probably I think the senators and congressmen already seen these tapes they just didn't show it to the the regular human race yet I believe some of these people had already seen these things so I said well I might as well say something about it you know but I kept it secret for two years because it wasn't really safe to say anything why don't you tell us a bit about your background simulation metrics sounds like you're on the side of a road right now yeah I could go in here and be quiet but yeah I do field research I'm trying to get up I found an ancient civilization in Mount Whitney I've seen portals in Sedona where a bird disappeared I was on the coast of California one time doing research on a motorbike and a stargate came down from a planet or a star I'm not sure I'd have to do more research on that part wow that's interesting then hey can I just can I ask you for a second can we come back to you I think we're going to talk about abduction right now but your story is very interesting I'd love to hear more about the portals and the interesting stuff you found but do you mind if we go to somebody else I got Jay Just up here she's got her hand go for it Jay Just yeah so you were talking about implants and what's his name Lear so Lear had another doctor that did these surgeries with him I believe and research and he was recently Eric Mitchell who he's an abductee I'm sure you know who he is Darcy right so he had a whole program on it with this doctor it was really really interesting if anyone's interested he has a YouTube channel and you can see how they really talk about the data and the different aspects and the doctor himself is also he claims to be an abductee so he had a lot to add which I found interesting things that I've never heard before what did you think of that News Nation special where they showed the like implant that Lou had gotten are you talking about was that the same doctor I'm talking about Eric Mitchell he's an abductee on here he's actually he was involved with Michael Masters he has a whole story with Michael Masters I don't know if you've heard it I have seen Eric Mitchell's account on Twitter I know he wears like a backwards hat or something like that in his picture white dude yeah so he's like a really strong experiencer his story is quite incredible I mean like he said he was totally changed his personality his IQ everything and he is friends with this woman Heidi who's also an experiencer and they have a channel and they have a really good piece like a really good video interviewing this doctor and talking to him and they go through all the aspects of this well you should message him I'd love for him to jump up that would be great but we do have what's up no you don't want that guy in here he's nuts oh how you doing Joe good to have you up here what's up buddy he's next but he's got the doctor does the implant so he actually has information so well hey look I'm not saying he's nuts I'm just repeating what you said he's not nuts he's an experiencer no no I don't know anything about no no it's not it's not that he's nuts because he's an experiencer it's that he is nuts who also happens to be an experiencer I'm not correlating whatever he's an experiencer so and he has data I'm not commenting on his personality I don't know him personally well he's a racist he's a racist and I don't think that I'm an experiencer to give you a free pass to just be a piece of ---- that's just me I haven't seen him be racist but you know I'm not arguing with you you never have no yes you are no I'm just saying he's got that that's all I'm saying all right all right you know I love you you love me Pastor had his hand up let's go back to Pastor Dale speaking comments on the situation I will just say briefly you know there are some unhinged people out there and maybe the phenomenon causes that breakdown maybe it causes issues with people long term and that's what even hurts their credibility when the rest of society listens to them and hears them talk right so well we'll see we'll see if that's the case with everybody but you know can I just say something Darcy you know like the doctor who worked with Lear is being interviewed so there's information there if anyone's interested you know you can judge him by meeting him and talking to him and you know everyone has their good and bad I don't know him that well and I don't know what Milkbird's talking about but all I've seen him is being kind and outspoken about his experiences and all that yeah is there like a link or something thank you Jay who's the doctor you can actually go to his timeline and find it Eric Mitchell maybe I will I'll find it while you're talking to Pastor Dale Dale do you have something to say yes I do one of the things that I brought up is words matter because people matter and I think it's really important that we respect people even if we disagree with them and one of the things I think that people don't understand is even if it is something that's in their head especially when you're talking about abductees they have literally lived the same experience even if it's in their head as somebody who's gone through an actual abduction and so I'm just big about letting people tell their stories and you know you don't have to believe it but they ought to have a right to at least have some sympathy and people ought to listen to them now the thing I wanted to talk about was the fact that what I find interesting about these implants is because when a foreign body goes into our physical bodies there's an immune reaction but what they're discovering is that there's like our own tissue surrounding it so it does not create that reaction and I just think that's just so interesting and that makes it where it's feasible because otherwise they're both going to say how in the world can they put something in and your body's going to fight against it but there seems to be this layer of our own material around it to keep it you know from having that reaction that you know I've seen it actually being like having nerves attached to it oh yeah yeah yeah I believe I saw one where they were able to detect some kind of a signal or something being emitted from it as it was attached that when it was removed basically it just kind of it's like almost they used the human body as a battery to activate and when it was removed it shut off that's what they say in this video and they also say that the scoop marks they're basically using whatever's in there to create that capsule that's what he said oh wow that makes sense using the person's own genetic material to create like a little pocket right that's interesting so yeah something that's fair to note in medical science like if you get some problems that have been had in the past with transplants people have had like experimental liver transplants or lung transplants or you know whatever the body usually rejects transplants and it's hard for that to take root and for the body not to reject it so often people who do get transplant transplanted parts have to take anti-rejection drugs to keep themselves alive using an organ that's foreign and one of the famous things that Roger Lear kind of one of his quotes from doing these many abductees surgeries where he removed these transplants he said if we could figure out the science of how these transplants are able to stay within the body of the abductee without having to take anti-rejection drugs we could revolutionize our medical industry right something like that is what he said so you know go look it up but let's go back to KMF what's up man? I don't know if anyone knows the answer I honestly don't but when they find the pocket or whatever that like forms around the implant is that any different from like what the body does when like you get a shard of metal stuck in your body because it'll do a similar sounding thing like it'll attack it with white blood cells try to create a barrier between the rest of your body and it but if it's something like you know a piece of gold or lead like it's not going anywhere so I'm wondering if what we're seeing is sort of like a similar thing to like a metal split yeah I think that's a very valid point and like you know shrapnel has been found in war vets that have come back from the battlefield and it you know something's been bothering them in their leg or their back or arm or something for years and finally they go to a doctor to remove a piece of shrapnel and it works just like that your body often kind of surrounds the shrapnel with some kind of scarred tissue to protect the rest of your body right so hey that's that's a very valid point I don't know if all this abductees stuff is shrapnel but you know again if just one case is real where somebody has truly been taken by a non-human intelligence this could fracture our reality in a certain way you know the mainstream says this is not real so it's interesting Jjust I think your hands up too or am I missing hands Andy you can pipe in any time here well I wanted actually to ask Pastor a question because I'm curious I used to I was heavily into church for many years and after my experience and the experience that I had in my room my views on all of that changed now I'm curious to know what I'm curious to know how you view this especially when it comes to the whole abduction thing being a man of God do you have some kind of convictions in how you view this subject being a pastor and preaching the word of God well let me start by saying when I came in to study this subject I knew I had to set aside my religious beliefs because I knew that they would taint everything I saw and so I put them aside for the first two or three years and I wanted to look at this you know just based on the evidence but you're not asking that question to me the one question that holds me as far as believing in God the one thing that keeps me anchored is that there has to be somebody that's always existed you can call him God you can call him whatever but you know if we look and say well this person was created by this person and by this person eventually you have an impasse because if everybody is created from somebody else where did the first person come from and so for me the most logical excuse or logic here is that there has to be a being that's always existed you can call him God or whatever and so that part is strong but I'm going to be honest with you I'm a man of faith I'm not a man of religion because I hate religion to be honest with you it's done more damage than anything else I think Jesus hated religion as well you know I think what Jesus said the great commandment is which is two part love God love people and he said that summed up the entire the prophets and the law and what most people don't understand is that was the Bible at that time when you talked about the prophets and the law and so the entire Bible even if you look at the New Testament today can be summed up in those things so I don't need religion what I need is love and so this isn't an issue with me as far as a moment of whether my faith is real or whether it's not I'm not going to tell anybody else what to do with their thinking or their faith but for me it's not an issue because if I believe there's a God and I believe he created the universe then it's not very hard to think hey he created everything and so therefore if there are other species and I believe there are on other planets or other dimensions whatever you want to look at that's not an issue for me and I don't think it's an issue for most of the Christians I know either because they just simply okay God created somebody else and maybe some of these other species are not very nice but like I said I don't want to categorize it as one thing that's the one thing I think why we get into arguments why we get into fights is one person says it's this another person says it's that but the reality is why can't it be this that and maybe nine other things and so for me it's not an issue for me it's not an issue I don't see a conflict at all yeah I am not a religious person at all I've said it many times in other spaces or speaking engagements I have an atheist view on life that this is it this is the chance you get your consciousness probably stays in your body and when you die that consciousness is gone and you know whatever you made of this existence is that's the best you get so that sounds kind of boring but the way I kind of equate you know if you did have this kind of like philosophical teacher like Jesus at one point maybe he was a real man maybe he was trying to say to disciples and people that would listen that there's a better way to live while you're here life can be on this planet heaven or it can be hell and the way that you treat each other the way that you act the you know decisions you make are what is going to affect that reality that we're all cohesively sharing and I feel like you know around the world we're seeing this reality kind of falling apart right now we've got so much bad just a lot of bad things happening around the world right and religion has not changed that reality it hasn't saved mankind I don't think we're killing each other we're destroying the planet we are making a mess of things and we're being pretty selfish you know I like to think that there's got to be some other way to live but I respect people's religious views they can they can live their life the way they want to as long as they're not pushing it on me or my kin let's talk to Asap Rocky my homie how you doing buddy welcome I'm good thanks for having me yeah I mean you know my thoughts on this like my experiences have sort of guided my view on you know consciousness and the soul and so I personally don't you know I don't want to get into debate here I think that there's something else after this but I also feel like at the same time religion many times was describing phenomena and things that maybe we didn't have context for all the time and I found this today it's a coincidence that you guys happen to be talking about this right now but I was I just came across this that Saint Teresa of Avila she wrote in her her diary about these experiences that she called raptures where she's kind of explaining like a sleep paralysis type situation her body gets all tight and she can't move she feels like somebody's choking her she sees these short beams next to her she calls them angels but then they like you know pierce her with a spear a few times and it's like intense pain and all this stuff right and to me this sounds like an abduction experience but you know who am I to take that away from somebody at the same time if after that that helps bring her closer to you know to God or whatever it is right but at the same time I think that there can be there can exist both things right and we could be dealing with I got no audio well we can hear you Dave you got audio brother he can't hear me I guess but we need to recycle Dave probably yeah Dave why don't you drop down just switch to listener and then pop back up and your audio issues will be fixed but OSAP finish your thought there and then we are about 2 minutes and 50 seconds away from going off air on KGRA radio so what else did you have to say there bud I'll just button it up Dave is back chill guys I agree with anomalous objects that I think that there can exist both and there likely is a multitude of things