‘They Don’t Want to End Discrimination—They Want to Control It’: Vince Ellison Unfiltered

This idea in America that if you earn something and you do well you're a bad person and that if you are poor and lazy that you should rob from the person that has done well and give it to the person that's not doing anything is something that they have been planning in their head not in just the school system but in many of the liberal churches in the United States of America. The black church exclusively but when you get into a lot of these very very very liberal churches LGBTQ churches and BLM churches they're teaching it also. It's a wonder that we still have capitalism in this country at all. Today we're joined by Vince Everett Ellison, a compelling voice on faith, family and personal responsibility. Born on a cotton plantation in Haywood County, Tennessee Vince grew up witnessing the power of hard work and faith firsthand. From performing with the Ellison Family Gospel Singing Group to serving as a correctional officer in one of South Carolina's toughest facilities, his experiences have shaped his unique perspective on society, culture and the importance of family. In this conversation Vince shares insights on faith, conservative values and what gives him hope for the future as well as what's next in his journey as an author and commentator. This is Bay Area Innovators and I'm your host, Steve Vispas. Vince, welcome to Bay Area Innovators. Well, thank you for having me. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, great to have you. You're here from Lynchburg, Virginia, pretty far away but we'd love to have you here on our program. So I want to start really with how you grew up. You grew up on a cotton plantation in Tennessee and your parents, your family, they fought, they worked hard to get the family out of poverty and to do well and can you tell us a little bit about the memories you have and some of the vivid memories that you went through at that time when you were a kid? Yeah, man, my story is just an American story. I was born on a cotton plantation, Capewood County, Tennessee. It was Klan country. An FBI report said that the Ku Klux Klan was a violent faction of the South, white supremacy and all this kind of stuff and they said that the most violent Klan faction in America was the Tennessee Klan and I was reading the FBI report that said that the grand wizard of the Tennessee Klan was a guy by the name of Doyle Ellington and Doyle Ellington lived in Brownsville, Tennessee and that's where I was born. So the grand wizard of the most violent Klan faction in America lived in my hometown. I had heard nothing about this so I called my father and I found this out about three years ago. I called my dad, my dad is 84 now, he was about 81 then and they said that Doyle Ellington was still alive, had a Facebook page. So I called dad, I said, hey dad, hey boy, so you know Doyle Ellington? Yeah, I know him, grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan. I said, what? He said, yeah dad. I said, where does he live? He said about five, six miles down the road. I said, dad, why don't you ever tell me that the grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan lived so close to me? He said, it was no consequence. I said, what do you mean? He said, when you was a baby, he said, Doyle and his boys were going around doing this and that and the other and I knew that a lot of black folks were scared of Doyle. He said, so I saw Doyle at the lumberyard and I walked up to Doyle and I took my .45 and showed it to him and I said, if you ever touch me or mine, I'm gonna blow your D.D. brains out. He said, I never had no problems out the door. So these people didn't bother me because even though I grew up there, my father was this guy that nobody bothered and when I was born, we were living in a two-bedroom, one-bedroom shack in the middle of a cotton field. By the time, but about maybe seven, eight years later, my father had built a house up from the ground. He still lives in that house today. He got involved in the insurance industry, started selling insurance, started his own insurance industry, his own insurance company and brought us out of poverty and that's the American story. We didn't stay there. It was a starting position and if my father could do it, raising five children at that time himself, he and my mother, anybody can do it. If he could do it in clan country, anybody can do it. That's the American story and so we started as the gospel singing group after that because daddy was so grateful for the blessings that Jesus Christ had thrown on us called the Ellison family. We sung gospel music until I was well into my 20s. Oh yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you next. So yeah, that's an amazing story and then you joined this gospel choir group and how did this shape your views of faith and family? Well, it shaped it quite a bit because as I was going through this time, a lot of things were happening as you know. Civil rights movement was going on, a lot of black preachers saying this and any other and my father taught me and my brothers and sisters a lot about capitalism and about people. He said there are only two types of people, not black and white, good and bad, period. He said you're going to have some, you're going to meet in your life some good white people, some bad ones, some good black people, some bad black people. He said pull good people until you push bad people away and make sure you do an inventory in your life and I found that out to be true. So race was never an issue. It was always the type of individual that I dealt with and he always taught us this thing here that's very important to me. If you know people say don't judge them. I'm dreaming that one day I won't be judged by the color of my skin but by the content of my character. A dad says nothing wrong with the color of your skin. Don't ever apologize for it. What's wrong with the color of your skin? Nothing. He said you will be judged by your character. It's unmistakable. He is a prime example of that. The fact he was born an orphan in the Jim Crow South and like I said the clan didn't mess with my father. Why? Because of his character. They knew that my father would blow their brains out if they bothered him. So his character made sure that he was respected everywhere he went and he taught us that don't ever walk around in fear. Don't ever ask to be somewhere that you are not wanted. You don't want to be anywhere where you're not invited. Christian men don't do that. You don't want to be anywhere that makes you feel small. You don't sure don't want to be nowhere where you're tolerated. Christian men don't want to be tolerated. If you're not respected where you are, leave. It's very simple. So I learned about these things and as we went to every church we went to, we were invited. We went to these churches. Some of these pastors were crooks. Some of them were all right men. But I learned the inner workings of the black church and that's that helped me write my first book, The Iron Triangle, because I knew how the black church operated. Can you touch on that a little bit? The Iron Triangle and then how the church operates in your opinion? I think that's a pretty interesting view there. Well, I started working in a prison after I left college. And in that prison, I was a younger man then. It was in the 90s, right behind the crime bill, the Biden-Clinton crime bill. And I saw a lot of young black men being locked up. It was during the crack epidemic of the 90s. And I thought we had overcome. That was in South Carolina, right? Yes, South Carolina. Yes, correct. And I thought that we had overcome. And when I saw these black men going to jail and they were my age, I started asking the black intelligentsia, man, why are these young men being locked up? They said evil, rich, white conservatives hate black people. I resigned my post, started a non-profit, and I went down into the black community to try to keep these young men from going to jail. And when I went down there, I found something very interesting. I saw no evil, rich, white conservatives anywhere. All I saw was a bunch of black liberals. And most of them were making money off of the chaos. And they were conduits between rich white liberals and the poor black people in the ghettos. And they wanted to make sure they kept black people under control of both of these liberals. It's just that simple. And I call this group the Iron Triangle. And most black people thought that these people were their friends. They were not. They were actually their enemies. And they were most black preachers, most black politicians, and most black civil rights workers. And they were working to make sure that black people stayed under the thumb of these rich white liberals. And their job was to keep them poor, keep them uneducated, keep them afraid, keep them believing in racism, making sure that they gave up their right to defend themselves, make sure that they stayed under the power of government. And as long as they kept them that way, this Iron Triangle and the rich white liberals stayed in power. So I wrote my first book about that, called it the Iron Triangle. It became a bestseller, and it changed everything. Matter of fact, Book Authority gave the Iron Triangle one of the greatest political books ever written in the history of the world. It's number 61 on that list of the greatest political books ever written in the history of the world. Because it just blew the lid off everything people thought that they knew. Now let's touch on family and the importance of family. Now, when you were a correctional officer, you experienced a lot of fatherless kids getting into trouble. And you grew up in a family that did really well. The family values and the unit was very strong. So can you compare those two? And how do you get this society to embrace the family that you had and everyone should have for that matter? Well, as you know, the whole concept of feminism came from a communist construct. This whole idea that there should be some type of weird equality, which, you know, equality does not exist between the sexes and their government could make this equality exist. They brought this to America, and they started telling government. They started using government, a lot of these feminists did, to number one, destroy the family. And that came through the Civil Rights Movement also. Destroyed the family. The Man Out Clause was the first thing that they did. Said that if there was a man at home, no woman could get welfare, no help from the government. So the incentive was for her to not marry because the government would give her money if she didn't get married. Consequently, before 1960, 80% of black children were born to two-parent families. After 1960, 80% of them were being born out of wedlock because of the Man Out Clause and because of welfare. So my family, though, stayed intact. And because I had such a strong father, he made sure that we were disciplined, made sure that we went to church, made sure that we stayed out of trouble, and made sure that he kept trouble from us. Mothers are asked to do something that they were not equipped to do. Mothers are nurturers. They nurture their children, which is needed. Fathers are disciplinarians. They discipline their sons. When I was 16 years old, I was as big as I am now. My mother could not have handled me. My father could. All of my brothers are big men. I'm 6'2", 235 pounds, and all my brothers are big as I am. My dad could handle us. My mother would not have been able to. And he kept us in line. He made sure we went to school. He made sure we stayed out of trouble. He taught us how to deal with men, how to look a man in the eye, how to shake hands, how to wear a suit, how to shine your shoes. And he gave you no quarter on these things. He set standards. And he told us, you never lower your standards. You bring people up to your standards. You never go down to theirs. He taught us things about manliness, that when you walk amongst young men today, you see that they don't have it. They don't know even how to look a man in the eye and shake his hands. They don't know how to get up early, stay late, not steal, don't lie. What are your virtues? What is your duty? Your duty is to get a job, pray to your God, get married, have children, and stand as a strong American. These are the things that we were taught. We were also taught this thing about capitalism, which is if you go out there in the marketplace and you have the best service, the best product, and the best price, people will not care about your color because the lazy, fair, invisible hand of economics will drive them to your product. Don't fall for this mess about race and color. You believe in your product. Sell your product. And if you do that, you'll never ever be hungry in America. And it was true. So tell us a bit more. How difficult was it those five years to work in the correctional office? Was it depressing? Were you able to see results that gave you hope? Or was it bleak or not able to see improvement? It was very, very depressing because I saw waste there. I saw that each one of these young men could have had a great life if the government would have done what it was supposed to do, which was just give them an education and not destroy their families, and then set up a system where because they couldn't get jobs, because they didn't have any discipline, they would lock them up. This is why I believe that the lesser government, the better. Government education is a trap. Communist government will teach you about communism. A socialist government will teach you about socialism. And in the black community, you have this thing right between socialism and communism, where you might have black entrepreneurs or black Republicans who still want to uplift the civil rights movement, which basically acts for Marxist, communist, socialist concepts, basic guaranteed income, guaranteed housing, guaranteed medical care, guaranteed food. All of these things led people to a place where they were dependent on government and not themselves. And then they educated them to a point where they had to depend on government because the public educational system, like in Baltimore, Maryland, there are schools up there that are spending over $20,000 a child, and no child is proficient in math, reading, or science. Not one. But the superintendent of the school system is getting $400,000 a year, and the teachers are getting paid close to $100,000 a year. But none of these schools have a student body that is proficient in math, reading, or sciences. Why are they getting paid so much? Because they're doing exactly what they're supposed to do. And what is that? They're keeping these children on the government plantation, and they're keeping them under the control of the iron triangle. That is what I saw in the prison system. And that's why I left it and started doing what I'm doing now, to tell people about what's going on there. So what was really the turning point where you left the prison and then you wanted to focus on being a conservative voice? Was it just the experience that you had every day with these kids? Yeah, I just got fed up with it. And, you know, I was younger then. This is when the Million Man March was being talked about, you know, Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan. I wasn't a Muslim, but I wanted to try to be part of some type of insurrection in the Black community, to tell people that the Black intelligentsia and the people that were running the Black community were a bunch of charlatans, a bunch of lowlifes, and they were sellouts. So the Million Man March gave me an opportunity, and that's when I left, to join and organize that. And we did. It was a great success. But again, you come to find out that the Nation of Islam was just like the rest of them. Bunch of charlatans, bunch of liars, same as the rest of them. I know you talk about liberation theology and how this exists in Black churches. Can you tell us more what it is and how it affects people in the community? Yeah, Black liberation theology is a communist construct. The communists wanted to take, well, you know, the common turn was the Russians' way of taking communism and making it international. They wanted to spread it all over the world. And they got smart and said, what can we use to spread communism all over the world? Because the churches, I mean, the governments, of course, don't want to do it. So what vehicle should we use? And they said, let's use the churches. So they started spreading this thing called, they called it liberation theology. They put it into the Catholic church first. When would you say this first started? Okay, this first started, oh, God, no, this started, Russian Revolution was 1917. It probably started around 1920. 1920. And they started using it and they put it into the Catholic church first. And they went into South America with it. And so they were going to the Catholic churches and the Catholic churches really became social gospel churches. It became part of the Catholic church in many ways. So the Catholic church started spreading this idea of the social gospel, that the government should be used to make people equal, to provide things for people, food, clothing, shelter, this and any other. And they said that Christianity was for the oppressed. And it would turn against the oppressor. And it brought many poor people to the Catholic church under that false auspices. C.S. Lewis talked about it in his book called The Screwtape Leaven. He said that people would use Christianity as a means to an end. And he said, and that means to an end will be even the social gospel. He said, and God will not be used as a convenience. He's not going to be used as a person like your cosmic butler to buy you a car or to give you a new set of clothes and to buy you diamonds. That's not God's job. His job is to save your soul to have a personal relationship with him. So when they wanted to take over America, they decided to focus on the black community because the black community was oppressed and angry. And they asked the question, how do we get our ideas into America? And they said, let's use the black church. So they use this thing called black liberation theology, and they put it into the black church. And this guy by the name of James Cole started writing books on it. He and Martin Luther King Jr. got together, and they started using black preachers to spread this concept of black liberation theology throughout the black community, telling people that we should vote for a government that will provide food, clothing, shelter, and all this other stuff for us because Jesus Christ has said, you are not sinful. The system of capitalism is sinful. That's the simple thing. And capitalism causes you to be sinful because it causes you to have to go out there and compete in the social Darwinism. And they said that what we need to do is use the church to run capitalism out of America and bring in a socialist construct that we can use government to build this utopia on earth. And of course, it's foolishness, but black people bought into it. And at the time that they were being taught this, they didn't know this is what it was. All they know is that they were going to church and the pastors would preach about socialism all the time. The black church became a political institution, not a ecclesiastical institution. And to this day, this is what it is. This is why when you go into the black church, most of the black preachers vote, tell you to vote for a certain political party that is liberal. And there will always, always, always ask for abortion, LGBTQ, free stuff from the government, telling you to voluntarily disarm yourself and for open borders every single time. Nothing about Jesus Christ, just those things. That's amazing. That sounds like a church in communist China, which they are supposed to praise the leader and the party to be able to function, to be able to allow to function. This is their party now. This liberalism and this Marxism, this communism is their ideology. This is the church now. And this is why it's failing. This is why the black community is at the bottom of every socioeconomic statistic in the United States of America. And everybody that follows this sick ideology falls the same way. But now I think the black community is waking up. They've seen 40, 50 years of this have led them to the bottom. Between 1940 and 1960, before this started happening, the black community had the greatest reduction in poverty in the history of the world, from almost 82 percent to less than 30 percent in less than one generation. We were on our way to being where our Jewish brothers and sisters are, Asians in America and people from India. We were on our way to being just like them, maybe a little bit, maybe a little bit separated from white society, but doing better economically and socially. But again, the Marxists had need of us and our black leaders turned us over to them. Speaking of that, there's a couple of topics that I want to ask you about and your thoughts and your position, which we had on our program before we talk about them. One is DEI and the other one is the transgender issue, which became an epidemic. I think it's slowing down now, but it became something that young kids have been, have all these operations and all these things. So, tell us your thoughts about DEI and the transgender issue, not that they're related, but one by one. Yeah, I understand. DEI, they call it diversity, equity, and inclusion, but it's actually, it means you didn't earn it. The fact that we're even talking about DEI 50 years after the Civil Rights Movement tells you how terribly the Civil Rights Movement has failed. They're still asking for a government program so we can compete. DEI is wrong on its face. If it is wrong, if it's right in some areas, it's right in all areas. Are we going to tell people in the NBA that we need short Asian basketball players now because there are too many black guys? Are we going to tell people in the NFL that we need to have short, skinny people playing linebacker because we don't have any of them? No, it's ridiculous. These people want DEI not to end discrimination. They want to control discrimination. They want to be able to decide what black people are elevated and what black people they want to keep underground. See, a DEI program will never put a person like me in any government position or any college or university because I don't think like them. They want to find the people that think like them and put them into these spots because if the market decides who goes to these positions, these liberals lose. And I tell these black people all the time. So this is what you're saying. The white people are racist. Yeah, white businesses are racist. That's right. But you want these white businesses and white governments to decide what black people they are going to elevate in American society. Who do you think they're going to choose? Malcolm X or Stephen Fletcher? They're going to choose their people, the people that make them comfortable. But if you let the market decide just based upon who is the best, let it decide who gets in these positions of power, you're going to get some real people up there then. But they don't want to do that because they don't want to take that risk. So DEI is nothing but a red herring. They want to be able to sit at a table and decide what black people they want to be in these positions of power in government and in business so that they can be the puppet masters and have these people do them favors once they get up there and they can control these people. So that's all it is. It's nothing but a red herring and it admits to black inferiority because it is saying that we cannot compete in the marketplace of ideas or in the markets when it comes to business, when it comes to goods and services, and I completely reject it and the American people has too. And when it comes to the trans issue, the trans issue is not just wrong. It is anti-Christian. God made us male and female. He did. So you feel a certain way. I don't care how you feel. I don't care about how you feel. You do your duty. You fight against your feelings. That's what manhood is. We don't do what we feel. We do what is right. We do what our duty tells us to do. And when you start talking about transing children without their parents' permission, this is just evil. There's no rhyme or reason behind this. It's evil and we have to call it this. These children can't buy a bottle of liquor. They can't go to war. They can't buy a gun. They can't make any decisions, but they are going to allow these children to decide at 12 or 13 years old that I want you to cut off a body part, give me puberty blockers that will change me for the rest of my life. They're doing this because these people are crazy and they are evil. So when we see these jokers on the left, yeah, we call them ignorant, crazy and evil and we have to take them out. Now, as far as far as DI, would you say that the main issue here is control, wanting to be in control? Oh, yeah. They want to control who's elevated in America. They don't want the markets to decide it. They want to control it. They want to look at John Smith and say, yeah, that's a good one right there. He believes what we believe. There's a position at Harvard. Let's tell Harvard they need to hire him. Or there's a position at Home Depot or there's a position at Microsoft. These are our people. Hire them. That's what they want. They want you to conform to their ideology or you are not elevated in America. That's DI. It is like the old Communist Party. You had to go through certain steps to be elevated in the Communist Party. And once you go through all of these certain steps, the Communist Party will send their people all around the nation and say, these are our people. Is he a communist? Yes, he is. Hire him in this position so we can watch. That's what DEI is. It is to control discrimination, not to stop it. The communist said he has to be a communist. He has to be one of us. He has to be a fellow traveler. If he's not, we don't want him in there. But if he is one of us, put him there. DEI is a training ground for communism and Marxism. And they call it DEI, but it's just a training ground to put their people in positions of power. So the 20 years from now, the deep state will be so deep, we won't be able to change it. What gives you optimism for the future? The counter-revolution of 2024, when we put them, when they did all they could to stop us, but we still won. The most amazing thing that happened in 2024 was usually about 90% of black people go for the liberal side. 90%. We conservatives get about 10. This last election, we doubled our numbers. And we got over 20% of black people to vote conservative. And that was the margin that we needed to win. It was amazing to see it. But for the first time in history, people under 30 voted more conservative than they did liberal. Usually younger people always more liberal than they do conservative. This time they were more conservative. And that scared the liberals to death. It was a trans issue, and it was a DEI issue that turned them. And so we can build on that. We can keep that and get another 20. And this time, we may have 40%. If we keep this going, that gives me hope. We stopped the bleeding. Now we are on the offense, and we're pushing back. And I'm telling you, I believe that we're making great strides. I think that these people on the left have gone too far, and people have seen that they have gone from evil to crazy. And they can't justify this any longer. Thank you for the explanation. Now, I gotta ask you about Iran. It's in the news for the last, whatever, few weeks. It's been top news stories every day. Now, there is a group of conservatives, I'm not sure how big, maybe 10%, 15%, maybe more, who are against the war in Iran. They feel like we shouldn't aid Israel, we shouldn't listen to Israel to do this, that we are dragged into it. I kind of want to get your thoughts on it. What do you think about this, the war in Iran, and why those conservatives are against it? I sympathize with them because many of them are concerned that AIPAC, the American-Israel pact, it has too much control over the American government. Maybe, maybe not. I'm not gonna get into that argument. I see it very, very simply. It's very binary for me. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Right now, Iran has said that we are the enemy of the United States of America. They call us the great Satan. They call Israel the little Satan. They have told us they've killed over 1,700 of our soldiers in the last 20 years. They invaded our embassy, which you know, the U.S. embassy itself is American territory. So we invade someone's embassy is like invading their country. So they've invaded our country. They've tried to kill our president twice. They've tried to commit assassinations on American soil. They kidnapped our citizens. They've done all of this to us. And they've done the same thing to Israel. And they have promised to wipe both of us off of the face of the earth. They chant death to America every single day. Death to America. Based on that, we are supposed to take that regime and we are supposed to destroy it. We've given them almost 50 years to change their ways. They refuse. They lie. They steal. They kill. They killed 30,000 of their own people just two or three months ago. They are an evil regime. But there are people over here who are evil also. And because they are evil, they connect with them. Just like good people connect with good people, evil people connect with evil people. And they are trying to stop us from annihilating this country because they want America to go down also. There are people here in this country that hate America. I'm not saying that these are my conservative friends. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying there are other people that do. And it's simple to me. Since Iran hates us and wants to take us out. They hate Israel and they want to take out Israel. It makes sense for us and Israel to bind together and beat them. It's very simple. Now they may not see it this way because they think we're doing the bidding of Israel. I don't think so. I've given, I've laid out specifically the things they've done to the United States of America and the things that they say they're continually going to do. That they have told us that if we get a nuclear weapon, we're going to put it on a missile that will fly to the United States of America and we're going to blow you up. They said the same thing to Israel. Or they'll give it to a terrorist who will ship it over here as a dirty bomb and blow up one of our cities. On top of this, once they get that nuclear weapon, there's nothing we can do to stop them except drop a nuke on them and kill everybody. So what do we do? We go in, we take out the regime. We might have to kill a few thousand people, but we don't have to kill 90 million. Like we'll have to if they get a bomb, if they get an atomic bomb and attempt to drop it on us or Israel. So I would hope that my conservative friends would sit back and they would just analyze this and get away from the whole AIPAC-Israel thing and look at it binarily. Iran hates us. Iran wants to kill us. Iran has killed us. Iran has told us they're going to continue to kill us and they're going to kill us in astronomical numbers if we don't stop them. And we've decided to stop them. Yeah, the nuclear threat is, of course, very scary. And I think in so many ways, because it hasn't happened for so long, since 1945, people don't really understand it. It's the kind of thing that, well, yeah, it's back in our mind, but we don't really care that much because we haven't seen it. We haven't seen the destruction that happened since 1945, not to mention how much more advanced the weapons are now. Yeah. And plus these guys have like a suicide pact. I mean, they talk about the 12th Imam and that they want to bring about this cataclysmic event so the 12th Imam can come back with Jesus Christ and destroy Israel and destroy the Christians. A lot of the caliphate in Iran actually believes this. They believe that if they start a cataclysmic event, that the 12th Imam will come back and that he and Jesus Christ will come and side with them and destroy Israel and destroy the Christians. And that's what they're trying to bring about. Matter of fact, one of their prime ministers, Ahmadinejad, used to end every one of his speeches by saying, Allah, please give me the ability to bring about the emergence of the 12th Imam. He wanted to bring about that cataclysmic event that would bring about the 12th Imam. And they wanted to build this weapon to bring about this cataclysmic event that would bring the 12th Imam back. And we're saying these cats aren't playing. This is what they believe. And so this is why we had to stop it because they said as soon as they got it, they were going to drop it on us or Israel to bring about this cataclysmic event that would then force the 12th Imam to come back and defend them. And a lot of people don't know that this is what the caliphate and the Shia think in Iran, but this is their driving force behind this weapon and their hatred for the United States of America and Israel. That's absolutely crazy. I want to ask you about communism and how communism and socialism is romanticized in America. And, you know, I grew up in Eastern Europe, in Romania, and in 89, of course, Eastern Europe fell. Communism fell. Then in 91, Soviet Union fell. So at least for me, when I was here in the US, I thought that now it's really obvious, you know, before it was kind of obvious, but now it's even more obvious that communism doesn't work, but it creates destruction, it creates poverty, it has all these problems. But since then, instead of people realizing it more, they get more dragged or, you know, romanticized about communism. Why do you think that is? Why do people in the US seem to like it or to lean towards it in some way? Well, we have an educational system that is run by communists, the National Education Association and the American Teachers Federation. They're basically socialists and communists, truly. This is not hyperbole. They teach these ideas to our children from the time that they're in kindergarten all the way up until they graduate high school. And most of the time, when you best, especially inside the black community, it is definitely spoken. You'll see pictures of Che Guevara, he is romanticized. And really, and people don't like to hear this, but Martin Luther King Jr. is well known that he was a socialist. A lot of things, he pressed for all the government dependency. So when you are in a capitalist nation, and your standard bearers are basically socialists, when you're asking and saying that the last march that they were putting together was called the Poor People's March, where they were going to go into Washington DC and sit down and stop everything until they blackmailed the government into giving free housing, free food, free medicine, free everything to poor people. That is a socialist ideology. And that's what they, and they have been taught in schools all over the country, that this is proper and this is right. And so how can communism be looked down upon when the standard bearer of American political consciousness was a socialist himself, and everybody that is out there marching and screaming all the time is asking for these things. And they are telling people that if America don't give you this, America is bad. We have a, when you have presidents saying that we're supposed to give free medical care, free housing, free food, open borders, it is the responsibility of the government to take care of its people. That is socialism and communism one-on-one. But people look at it as, and they'll tell them that it's Christian, it's benevolence, it's virtue, and that you should feel bad and you're a bad person if you don't agree with this. And so you grow up with this mentality and you've seen it, where they tug on people's heartstrings and this toxic empathy is what I call it, where they make you feel bad if this person wants you to vote for somebody that's going to give them all this free stuff, and you say I'm not going to do it. So they've taught children, and as you know, it's like what Churchill said. He said that if you're young and you're conservative, you have no heart, but if you're old and you are liberal, you have no head. So most young people don't know the history of communism like you and I do. Most young people live through their feelings and they're not objective and they don't live through facts like you and I do. They haven't lived real life like we have where we have to work a job and we have to invest and we have to look at our check stubs, how much money the government is taking and throwing it away. They just talk about how they feel. Well, I feel that the poor should be taken care of. And then we try to explain to them how capitalism works. Oh, that's cruel. But the public educational system from day one has as their heroes in the United States of America, people who are basically socialist and who are Marxist. We just found out today about say John Chavez and how he was, of course, basically a socialist. And now they are taking down his statues because they found out that he was, of course, he had a sexual relationship with children and he was raping them and this type of thing. So now people are looking and finding that many of these people who they hold up as these paradigms of virtue are horrible people. They were cruel. They were anti-Christian and they were pushing a terrible agenda. But the reason why most young people don't see it is because all of these people are lionized in history and education, the education system, education, and they look upon these people as heroes. And then they tried and then they will do the other thing. They will shame the true blue people that made America great. Are they going to tell you that, you know, that Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John D. Rockefeller, Carnegie, Mellon, all these people were bad people, all this bad stuff they've done. But then you talk, find somebody like Martin Luther King, or Seychelles Chavez, or Jesse Jackson, or Al Sharpton, or George Floyd, or Black Lives Matter, they're going to hold them up as paradigms of virtue. They're going to say the rich should pay their fair share. And everybody starts screaming and yelling, yeah, yeah, yeah, down with the billionaires. You and I are all going to remember when they did this Occupy Wall Street thing, right? Just this idea in America that if you earn something and you do well, you're a bad person. And that if you are poor and lazy, that you should rob from the person that has done well and give it to the person that's not doing anything. It's something that they have been planning in the head, not in just the school system, but in many of the liberal churches in the United States of America, the black church exclusively. But when you get into a lot of these very, very, very liberal churches, LGBTQ churches, and BLM churches, they're teaching it also. It's a wonder that we have capitalism in this country at all. Wow. Amazing stuff. I mean, Vince, we thank you so much for your time. What is next for you? Any books, documentaries? What's coming down the pipe from your side? Oh, yes. Thank you for asking. Your viewers can look at my podcast every day. It's called the Vince Everett Ellison Show, YouTube, Rumble, Facebook. You look at that. I'm about to finish my second documentary, and this is going to be as controversial as the first one, which was, Will You Go to Hell for Me? My second documentary and book is going to be, Slavery is a Choice. And it's based upon this concept that freedom is a choice. So if freedom is a choice, how can slavery not be a choice? And I say this because people are choosing slavery now. We have to get to a point in America where we have to understand nobody's forcing slavery upon you. If your master, if somebody walks up to you and say, I'm going to make you a slave, you tell them two things are going to happen. One is that you're not going to walk away with a slave. And the second is one of us will die or you can go away, but you're not going to get a slave. And if you submit to slavery, if you decide to submit to it, then you're obligated to obey your master. And we chose slavery then, how do we choose it? Because 200,000 black men and women escaped slavery. If they could escape it, how was it not a choice? So I want to put together this fact that we chose slavery then, black and white people did. During the American Revolution, if you fought for your freedom, you would get it if you joined the army. Or you could stay on the plantation and work. You had black slaves and white indentured servants that decided to stay on the farms and work. And you had black slaves that decided to fight and white indentured servants that decided to fight and they won their freedom. It is always a choice. And people are choosing slavery now. They can choose to get on the government and choose this communist ideology and become a slave, or they can choose what you and I do and go out in the market every day and compete as men. But you have a choice. Nobody's going to force you to make it. You will make it. And once you make it, submit to your master. And your master will be government, just like your master was the white man on the plantation. So that's the book, that's the documentary that's coming out. And it's going to be something that's going to make people set up and pay attention. So go to my show, the Vince Everett Ellison show, we talk about these issues all the time. But slavery is a choice, the book, slavery is a choice, the documentary is also coming out. And when we get those out, we're going to shake up the world. What's the timeline for it to come out? Summer of this year, probably around by July, but we are going to have a website up giving people the specifics of it. And we want to start a debate because I know a lot of people are going to be mad about that. But you know, coming from a communist country, that once they decided to fight back, once they decided to fight back, their slavery ended, didn't it? And all while they were under the boot of the communist dictator, not fighting back, they were choosing slavery. But the day they decided and they understood, hey, man, we're choosing this. We are choosing this. And so we can unchoose it. And they decided to fight back. You saw Romania fall. Yes. You saw the USSR fall. You saw all these countries just take off the yoke of communism and fall because people said, you know what? They convinced us that we had to submit to them. We don't have to submit to them. We can fight back. And when they started fighting back, it failed. And if there's any lesson in history, dictatorships don't last and communism and socialism and these horrible things do not last. When people decide to fight back, when they decide that they are submitting to slavery, same as the founding fathers, George Washington, all the rest of them living under King George for hundreds of years. And one day they said, we're tired of this. It's time to break off these shackles of slavery. And they did. Vince, we thank you so much for your time. Really appreciate it. It was my pleasure. Thank you for having me. Thank you. Thank you for watching another episode of Bay Area Innovators. If you enjoyed this episode and you know someone who should be on our show, please send us an email at sfbay.epochtimes.com. We would love to hear from you. Thank you and see you next week.