CRAZY Vintage Watches In London

This is a watch I've been hunting for years. For me, quintessential Patek is perpetual counter-counter. It really is. I'm like, whoa, this is no ordinary watch. Yeah, and when you put it on your wrist, you just feel it. I know it's just amazing. It's just amazing. It's just, they're, they're just perfect. Bad. I might have to buy this for me. Hey everybody, welcome back to the channel. As you can tell, we are not in Miami right now. We are in London. We are sitting with a dear friend of mine, somebody I've wanted on the channel for so long. I absolutely adore this man, and I'm not just saying it because he's sitting here. He curates some of the coolest vintage watches, I think, in the world. Honestly, I, I really, really, really, really respect what you do. He is sitting down with us. He is Ben Dunn of Watch Brothers London. He brought out some cool watches. He made the trip from Brighton all the way in to visit us. Dude, thank you so much for sitting with us. Thanks for having me. Really excited to see what you have. You always, you always find the cool ----. I gotta say, you find the cool stuff. Pressure's on. Good bits in the box. Let's see it. So all right, let's jump right in. Let's jump in. No further ado. Okay, so first one is something extremely cool. First time I've had this as well. So this is an AP Clover, and it's not just a normal Clover. This is a fully diamond set, battery diamond set AP Clover. How many pieces do they make of these? This particular one has a different reference to the normal Clovers. They made 12 total, six in yellow, I believe five in platinum, and one in white. And so this is one of the yellow, and the cool factor on this one, the extra source is it's number one on the case back. So really special one. Super excited to have it. It's the first Clover I've ever had. I might have to buy this one. Yeah, I think you might. But like I said, he gets some of the coolest watches. And quick shameless plug for him, since he's not going to do it himself. If you go to his website, he often builds these incredible databases and incredible articles. He writes these incredible articles that are very well thought out, very well researched about a lot of different brands. In particular, he has one about AP Perpetual Round Cases that I often use myself for data points and for information when I'm not sure about a reference or what movement a watch should have. I'm on your site. I'm not on anybody else's site. I'm on yours. So check out his website. We will link it in the description below. So wow. Yeah, getting back to the watch. Wow. I mean, and this is, you know, Watch Brothers London is heavily focused on Perpetuals. Right. Especially AP Perpetuals, you know, from the guides and things like that. And this is a design that I really enjoy. So Vacheron Perpetuals, AP Perpetuals. This is really one of the coolest I've actually ever had. I would have to agree with you. And we're going to talk about that, because I want to ask you some questions about how you got started and like how your love for Perpetuals grew so much, because I see you really focus on that. Before we do that, let's see what you have. It's going to take a lot to like one up this. Okay. So number two, this is the first time I've ever actually seen this watch in real life. This is a watch I've been hunting for years. So this is a PRJ Skeleton Perpetual. I've only ever seen it on like a head only on the strap. And then this popped up very recently in Miami, actually, from a lovely dealer over there. And my friend actually messaged me first saying, have you seen that Skeleton PRJ has finally popped up? Of which I was like, no, because now he's on it. He's on the chase. So I was like, no, show me it, show me it. And then he was like, oh, what do you think about the price? And I was like, it's amazing. Right. So get it. Just buy it. So we got it. And yeah, he's very kindly let us look at it today. So this for me is like a great old PRJ. Like I know everyone's obsessed with the stone dials, et cetera. Right. But for me, I'm just the hunt. Like I've been looking for this watch since day one. And it's in those old Italian brochures where they have all the pieces from back in the day. And it's just never, never come up. So I mean, I think the Skeletonized Perpetual is super cool. But this bracelet, look at this bracelet. I really admire PRJ for actually bucking the trend, especially when this watch is producing even earlier stuff. They were the first to like really, I mean, you mentioned stone dials, but they were the first to really lean into that in the 1960s, 1970s, when other brands were too afraid to do it because it was too temperamental, too expensive. Who knew, you know, clients would actually buy it back then. And then they did stuff like this where they, you know, kind of added somewhat of a jewelry aspect to wristwatches. Because this bracelet screams that aesthetic, you know. And the bracelet to everyone's joy has screws, except they're like their own type of screws where it's like it has a lump in the middle. So you can't just use a flathead screwdriver. So when it arrived, I was like, fantastic, let's size it up. But you have to have a special tool to actually use the pins. So what do you do? So I haven't managed to get the tool yet. So you're going to have to make one. Yeah. That's what you're going to do, you're going to have to make one. And you see a lot of these in the triple calendar state, so the Governor range, I believe it is. Right. You sometimes see the Perpetuals, but yeah, the Skeleton is just a bit of a unicorn. Dude, this is wild. I know, super excited to bring this along today. I spent a lot of time thinking what we could show. Tell us a little bit about how, because you've been around now for a minute and you've been pushing the Perpetual, you know, I can't call it a trend because it's not really a trend, but pushing the narrative for these cool Perpetuals, off-brand stuff, Abels, Piaget, weird, funky APs. How did you get into watches, selling watches, and then how did you decide to focus on this stuff? So design is my background and that literally drives all of the buying and I don't really worry about the selling in theory. I just hope there's someone else who likes the same taste, which I'm sure there's at least one person. Yeah, well, we do the same thing. I just buy a watch if I like it and I hope somebody appreciates it also, you know? Exactly, so that's really, so when you say the creation is, you know, it looks kind of together. Right. I hope it is because it's like my design brain thinking, oh, these all go together, this is cool, this is what I like, these are all kind of connected. There's obviously some outliers, which we'll talk about in a few minutes as well, but generally Perpetuals, I like a busy... Like you're wearing a Daytona. Exactly, yeah. So I like the busyness of it. Right. I don't really set them, to be honest. I just like something when I look down, there's a lot going on, I'm like, oh, I could find a new thing to enjoy. Thank you for saying that. And that's it, and a lot of my friends share the same passion for Perpetuals. And yeah, so it's quite a slow, you know, market, the neo-vintagey Perpetual thing is gaining interest, of course. It's not like super hot cake stuff and that's cool with me because we can still buy and trade. Yeah, I would say it's a much more connoisseur market. Obviously, your Nautilus Daytona Royal Oak Crowd, which I'm huge fans of all three of those models, are generally not looking at stuff like that, but you see people transitioning now into different stuff and kind of broadening their tastes and what they're willing to take a chance on and own. The market really has expanded so much. It's really grown in terms of people's tastes, you know, what people are looking for. So when did you get started? Were you a collector before you started selling watches? Yeah, so I used to spend everything I earned when I went to Facebook on watches. Basically. I didn't work at Facebook, but same, whatever money I made was on watches. I would literally just pour the funds from that into watches. So I had a collection to start with, basically, and it was very much like Rolex, you know, GMT, Daytona, whatever. But then I started to write more about this kind of stuff and then from the writing, you've got a little bit of trust, you know, buying a watch from a random guy online is very weird anyway. So then I could start to sell one or two bits and then it's going to be four years now in August since I went full-time. Oh, congrats. What were you doing at Facebook? Design. So interface design, so how it looks. A lot to do with like Instagram shopping. Can't even remember now, to be honest. A lot of like business tool stuff, which is quite fun for me because at the time I was like, oh, well, I've got a business I'm trying to do. So I can like work on it and try and make it work. But yeah, when you spend a lot of time doing that, you can't really do them both. And I just thought, you know what? I just like watches more, so I'm off. And that's that. That's awesome, man. Yeah, it feels like you've been doing this longer than four years because I've just been watching you grow year after year and watching all the cool stuff you come out with. And there's just so much of it. So it feels like longer than four years. I'm surprised to hear you say that. Yeah, that's awesome. So without further ado, let's get back to the watches because I know we have a few more to get through. OK, we have another really, really cool piece here. So this is a Blancpain split second perpetual calendar with a super, super rare Arabic military dial config, which you rarely ever, ever see. And this is in platinum as well. So this watch is part of some kind of limited series with this style. And I've only ever seen the tourbillon appear in one of the Hidinki Tolkien watches before. Great. So yeah, it's different from the normal production. A super complicated watch. I believe it is the thinnest and first automatic split second perpetual chrono of its time. 1990s? It is, yes. So it came at the end of the masterpiece series when they started combining multiple complications. And that is around 13 mil thick. A 5004 is 15 mil thick. Great. So it's roughly a Daytona and it's thickness and it's 34 mil. So it's tiny. Incredible, incredible watch. This really is. You know, when you started pulling it out, I'm like, did you just pulling out like a Blancpain chrono? Yeah. And once you like started, I'm like, whoa, this is no ordinary watch. Yeah. And I love the way the crystal plays off, like the kind of faceted dial there. It gives it like that two-tone appearance. Yeah. Step bezel, everything. Right. It's just, it really is like almost the peak of that Hubert Piguet era of Blancpain before, you know, they left at the end. Did you contact Pierre and ask him for some more information? No, I haven't on this one. You should. You definitely should. This is super cool. He'd probably geek out over this because he actually is very astute with old Blancpain stuff that his father was involved in. Yeah. So this is incredible. So I still buy and sell a lot of these, but I really tried to focus on the double complications now because I've just found after owning a few, like these are the ones I love. So you sell one watch a year is what you're saying? Because these are so hard to find. So the 5585s, which are perpetual chronos, they're available from time to time. And they honestly, for what they are, are peanuts. It's insane. And this one's obviously a step up in terms of price point and complication. But again, a super rare watch you don't often see. So I wanted to bring it along. Yeah. We talk about that a lot, like value for money. And this pocket has some of the most value for money, you know, because you're talking like, even if you go to brands like AP or Piguet or VC, you know, and get one of these type of perpetuals, what you're getting compared to what you could buy brand new on the market today, you're buying for a fraction of the price and way more historical, way cooler. And, you know, perpetual calendar, in this case, perpetual calendar, split seconds, chronograph, like on wearable and wearable. Yeah. Especially here in London. Yeah, exactly. Well, maybe not after this video. Maybe not. Yeah. This is one of the coolest pieces I think I've seen recently. I think the niche as well. And that's kind of what we... Yeah, I was going to say my order of like what I thought was cool was one, two, three. But now I don't know, it might be like one, two, three. Yeah. And the more you look at that, the more you love it, right? This is really, really cool. I'm not going to lie. This is really, really cool. Something I don't think I didn't even know that this existed, to be honest with you. Yeah. I've only ever had two of these. Only one in this config. Yeah. Yeah. Always looking for interesting long pants. Jordan's going to geek out after this, after we're done filming. I already know. What do we got next? I wanted to talk about this one because... I also feel like you've had a couple of these. So these Overseas, I think, offer insane value now. And these are the first generation Overseas. This one, you know, amazing condition, salmon dial and trades for like half a new steel one. Yeah. Which to me is just bonkers. And the size is fantastic. So this is a 040, so 37 mil. Or you can get them in 35 mil as well. Great daily wear. And you have an article about these also on your site, I feel like. Yes. I've perused a couple of times trying to figure out which Overseas I had for sale. Yeah. Yeah. With these, the hack is the triangle at the date window. Yeah. If it has it, then it's a big one. Yeah. If it doesn't, it's a small. And the thing is with this, like it gets a load of attention. Right. When I post it in the WhatsApp channel or online. But still, you know, people aren't like jumping at it, at the price. What is the price on this? I think I listed this at 12.5 yesterday. Pounds. Yeah. Pounds. Yeah. That's what it's at in dollars, like $16. Yeah. And this, in theory, is like the peak one with the salmon, you know. Right. Super cool watch. I love how the bracelet and the head are almost the same thing. So they blend it perfectly. Right. And it also gives a little bit of more size. The watch, if they're scared of 37 millimeters, like it makes it wear a little bit bigger. Oh, it definitely does. Yeah. Absolutely. No, fantastic watch. I think just generally like mid-size sports is really interesting to me right now. And it's really popular right now. Yeah. Like we have more requests for 14790s, 3800s than I think we do for jumbos at this point. Yeah. So a cool combo to have your dress watch pieces with your complications and then your mid-size sports all fitting, wearing, same period, just feeling great on the wrist. Yeah. I love it. This is like, yeah, this is like a perfect daily wear sports watch. Exactly. If you want something like vintage, neo-vintage, you know, 100%. I'm like on board with that 100%. Let's talk about the AP in there because I saw it. I was trying not to like catch any sneak peeks, but you know, since we were just talking about the value, but that's a particularly rare one. So tell us a little bit about that. This AP is the reference 25661. So the open case back. This one is particularly cool because it's platinum. And then it has the engraved rose gold movement. This is the only reference I believe that has the full engraving of the movement with the solid dial at the front. And what's cool about this particular run of the watches is on the case back, some of them have the case number filled in. They put the number in the rotor. Right. You can see it's, I believe it's number three on number five. So it's a limited run of this style. And they seem to do a lot of like limited runs in this reference, the 25661. So like the salmon dials you see are in this reference as well, but they don't have the fully engraved movement, just the rotor. So it's a really like experimental reference. And I love the dial for this one as well. Yeah, it's super glossy, Breguet rules. And there's actually one coming up at Christie's this weekend. All right. Should I sell it? Should I wait? So I haven't listed it because, you know, I don't know what it's going to do. Because in the vintage world, it's very random still at auctions, I find. And catalog wise, it's still a tiny amount of the catalog, like 15%, 20%. So the interest is growing year on year, but it's still behind a lot. I think the auction world right now, as we record this video, is entirely random. Yeah. Like there are watches that sell for a fortune at auction and you scratch your head, why? And then there's stuff that sometimes goes cheap. Although that hasn't happened, you know, for anything cool in quite some time. But yeah, I can't imagine this is not going to perform well at Christie's. Yeah, I paid up for this because the example is lovely. And it also has box and papes, that's what I like to call it. Box and papes. Box and papes, and the full AP authenticity certificate, the big one that you can only get when you service it. It's the full kit example. Yeah, I just want to find it a nice home. It's a great one. This is a fantastic watch. Fantastic watch. And for somebody who wants something in this realm of 36 millimeter round case perpetual APs, but wants like something very, very rare that no one else is going to have. Yeah. This fits the bill. And under the radar, I would say. I don't know how many they did because, you know, they have the numbered rotors. Right. I think the one at Christie's is number 45. I like that AP, you know, gives you production numbers on their website now, but I'm sure they're not going to tell you exactly how many of this configuration. No, certainly not. More information comes up on these all the time. So like my APQP article really needs updating because there's loads of stuff that's come up, which is awesome. Right. But I don't want people thinking it's so black and white because it's really not. Well, I think it's that for all vintage watches, you know, and that's like the big problem. Like the vintage Rolex world is that like it's all kind of collaborative guesswork, you know. So that's constantly getting updated when we learn something new, which is great, because it builds a sense of community and collaboration, but it's hard to all then extrapolate that information into black and white facts, you know. It really is. So, well, thanks for the tip on the Christie's one. I know I'll be bidding at least on one lot. But if you miss out on that one, then you know it's a kill. And last but not least, but wait, before we get to that watch. So tell me Daytona, is this like a personal watch for inventory? Like, is it just so different than it's speaking to me personally, obviously, because, you know, we love vintage Daytonas, but is this something you bought for yourself? So I am relatively new to the vintage Daytona world. Okay. My very first watch was a Zenith Daytona. Okay. So I've always had like a real strong passion for them. Great. And I've tried all sorts of modern ones, Zenith ones, etc. These, the four digits are the only ones that really fit my wrist. And I just fell instantly in love with them. Same. They don't fit the general creation and I don't have like the same knowledge level. So what I'm doing with the vintage Daytona is buying slowly, learning like a lot and like selling privately and slowly. So I've been getting into them for about a year and a half. I bought one from Sasha, I think about a year and a half ago. The one on my website now, the Sigma Black. Nice. 6265. And that was my gateway in. And since then, I've had quite a few big reds in and out. But each time, you know, you have to, you have to sort something, you have to sort something and you learn a bit. And I've also tried some experimentation with restoring bracelets and cases and seeing how that goes down because I feel like people have been doing it longer. They already have like their vintage Daytonas and they want them a particular way. Right. Like me coming into it, for instance, I would love the Pendulum Lab bracelet case looking brand new, big red. Right. Versus this example, for instance, which is super honest and lovely. Yeah. But to me, when I compare the two, I know which one I prefer. So I'm trying to look for a different market in that area. No, I mean, I think a lot of people in the marketplace would agree with you. There's a lot of people that push the narrative like, oh, don't touch a restored watch, you know. But it depends on what the restoration is. You know, this case has already been polished and somebody who maybe polished it a few times, you know. So if you have somebody who could restore this case closer to factory specs, for me, that's just a benefit. Now, if you're taking an unpolished watch and like removing scratches, thereby polishing it, then yeah, not ideal. But if the case has already been detailed and you could improve it, I don't see a problem with that. Obviously, with proper disclosure to the buyer, which knowing you, obviously, that would be first and foremost, you know. So I think the market's finally waking up to that. As vintage watch collecting grows and grows and grows, people realize there's a finite amount of these out in the wild, you know, and people hoard them and they don't come out of collections as often. So sometimes you can't be so particular and choosy, or you're just going to spend double on that 10 out of 10 example that you're going to then be afraid to wear, you know. And it took me so long to find the guy for this. So about five months, I was looking for someone to do the work. It was on a different one. And when I met him, he was like, ah, yeah, so like this lug is like XX, you know, millimeter. And he knew the different lug widths of two different cases from the four-digit range. And I was like, you know what you're doing. This is amazing. And he just disappeared, I would say, for about three, four months. Hey, how's it going? No reply. And he just went, they're done. Right. Like an artist, you know. He was like, here they are. And I got the case and bracelets. I was like, oh my god. Great work. Unbelievable. And he's here in London? No, he's in Pisa. Oh, okay, cool. Pendulum Lab, he's called. He's a lovely guy. And he's just a real artist and lovely to work with. So yeah, when I get one like this, I'm like, ah, you know, I've been wearing this daily for ages. And the condition is vintagely perfect. Right. But for me, I'd probably wear, you know, I'm going to do some work to the case and bracelet. But yeah, everyone's different. No, I'm the same as you. I just bought for somebody as a favor, Tiffany Submariner 5513. That was on eBay, but I knew the seller. And he's immediately having me send it to somebody in California to do the case. Because that's what he wants. It was just serviced by Rolex, a service card. But he's like, dude, the case is, you know, the same thing, polished, you know, not factory spec. And that's what he wants. And I'm like, I respect that. You know, why not? Yeah, because he can take it back to like the factory measurements, right? And I think that's key versus someone who just builds up a case or does, you know, he's like, I only want it to look like it looked. Right. When it rolled off the factory floor. Yeah, that's great. Because they're all polished when they're made. Right. You know, that's how they finish them. Yeah. I got to look into that guy. I've never heard of him. Yeah. Shout out to Pendulum Labs. So that's why you see the occasional Daytona on Watch Brothers, because it's like the personal passion. Right. Side project. Nice. Yeah. But it's also varieties of spice of life. You know, these watches are amazing. But every time you, every once in a while, you want to throw in a Daytona. Yeah. I get it. And I grab this a lot. My first. So I owned a two tones and a Daytona in my 20s that I bought with a good discount, you know, from Rolex or whoever. And then my first proper Daytona, I traded a Panerai and AP for a 6260 Daytona. The second I put that on my wrist, like you, because I have smaller wrists. I was like, this is perfect. And it was. The feeling is a lot. Yeah, exactly. I just couldn't go back after that. I just couldn't go back. So one watch left. I have one watch left, but before I get to that, I've just got a surprise one. It's a pocket watch. Ah, okay. So you got to hold out your hand for this. So this is an aluminum. Vacheron. This is very light. That's why I wanted me to hold out my hand. So there's a lack of Vacheron on the table by this overseas. I tend to sell a lot of Vacheron. This is an aluminum pocket watch. It's almost entirely made out of aluminum and it weighs 20 grams. And they used to gift these predominantly to like mining workers throughout late 40s, early 60s. Just a really cool and very visually beautiful watch. And I just like visual pocket watches. You know, some people are into hyper complicated ones. For me, it's just, does it look cool? I think this looks really cool. Do you know any of the history as to why they gifted these and why they made this out of this material? No. No? No, not really. I just know that most of the engravings are mining workers. Right. For like a long service, basically. Right. And if you can find them without like mining engravings. So I've seen one where it's for a king, for instance. They trade for high arrow. So I've seen one for a comedian. It's just so rare to get them not for a mining worker. Yeah. Yeah, just a really quirky, fun pocket watch. Yeah, that's crazy. So yeah, I try and buy these whenever they come up. You know, because pocket watches were what people collected before wristwatches prior to the 1990s. And there's a lot of really interesting, crazy stuff because people only used to use pocket watches. Wristwatches weren't really a thing, obviously, for a long time. And even after the advent of wristwatches, they didn't become popular until much, much later. So pocket watches was what people collected and was what was a lot was produced. And they made a lot of really cool stuff. This is aluminum and Breguet numerals. And I can't imagine a crazy price point. Obviously, not as wearable and usable as a wristwatch, but certainly way more interesting in a lot of respects. Yeah, they're like $10, $11. Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, super cool. Yeah, we occasionally will buy Patek because that's easy to understand. We don't venture out pocket watch wise to many other brands. Occasionally, like a Rolex, a cool one, like a sector dial. But yeah, this is super interesting. Yeah, this is like my party trick one at the Miami show. Yeah. If anyone showed any interest, I was like, Still, I didn't sell it, but it got a lot of attention when I put it in the WhatsApp channel. That's very, very cool. So yeah, I just wanted to show that because it's so cool. Finally. We have another pocket watch though. Do you want to see this one? Yeah, why not? We have it here. So this is another one I just bought because it's just cool. Guichet. Guichet Patek. Not even triple step. It's like five, six step case and Guichet front and back, which is just really lovely. I got this from Henry, a vintage watch in New York. Yeah, good guy. Yeah, really nice. I got it maybe like two years ago and you can tell I just, I kind of hold stuff a bit. I have had it for ages and I'm really listed it till recently. But we do the same. So don't feel too bad. And again, like when you put it next to the Vacheron, they're just cool. You know, they're not super expensive. And yeah, I don't know what you do with them. You put them on your desk and you just go, Oh, I've got a pocket watch. We had a big collection of Heuer dash timers longest time. We sold most of them, but like same thing. I just hoard them. And I was like, they're cool. Have them on the desk. One's in my kid's room. Like, yeah, it's just like, they're just cool. So never mounted them in any cars, but, you know, same thing. You just get, you know, you fall in love with like these quirky weird things and, you know, just hoard them. All right. The final one. Final one. So this is one you're very familiar with. I'd say 3970. And this is a fourth series. Interestingly in white. So they obviously made a few less in white than yellow. And for the longest time I was telling clients really to focus on the second series only. Right. A reason being first series was getting very expensive. Third and fourth, they made a lot of, but now the Delta between like a white metal second and a later series white metal is huge. Right. So I actually think I have really nice full set example in white from third or fourth series kind of offers sounds silly for the price tag, but offers good value versus the early ones right now. It's a very active, busy, fluid, changing market. Yeah. No, I was going to say like, it's funny for you to say like offers great value because I remember I was talking with John Reardon about this recently and he and I, for like 10 years, we're telling people like 3970 is like such incredible watches, such incredible value. And you could pick up a third, fourth series. Let's say yellow gold for $70,000. The longest time, like those days are long gone, but all of a sudden, you know, 3940s, 3970s took off in the past. Let's say a couple of years where people finally woke up and realized what they were getting. You know what I'm saying? So it's hard to say that, you know, a third or fourth series white or offers tremendous value when you compare it to what they were a few years ago. But when you compare it to a first or second series, yeah. Like, yeah, it's night and day, of course. So I absolutely adore these watches. I think in terms of like Patek collecting, this is what I gravitate towards. Like I understand people, you know, about Nautiluses and, you know, other grand comps and stuff like that are just simple perpetuals. But for me, quintessential Patek is perpetual counterclockwise. It really is. Yeah. And when you put it on your wrist, you just feel it. I know it's just amazing. It's just amazing. They're just perfect. Perfect size. Perfect dimensions. You know, perfect complications. Perfect symmetry on the dial. Everything about these are incredible. And essentially, I love the fact that it's, you know, you're getting like the same kind of look and feel as a fourth series $24.99 for obviously a fraction of the price. You know, I remember I won't mention his name, but we had a fourth series $24.99 last year and we're in Geneva delivering to the client, but I wore it to dinner. Yeah. And dealer asks me like, hey, how much is that $39.70? I'm like, it's not $39.70. And I handed it to him and he's like, no, it's a $39.70. I'm like, hey, dude, look at the watch. Fourth series $24.99. And somebody you would have expected that should have known the difference. Yeah. Beautiful watches. Yeah. Again, design wise, like I could just get lost in this. Yeah, for sure. Every time I look down. Yeah. We just bought for a client in the last Hong Kong Sotheby's sale, black dial stick marker $39.70 because he'd been after one for so long and it was full set and everything. I showed him one a year prior, the only one that we'd ever had and he didn't buy it. And so now he had to pay a lot more money, but I was like, look, if you don't buy it, who knows when the next one's coming up and what condition and for what price? This market is so fluid right now. You just, you don't know. Yeah. And with the black stick as well. You can only really get them later series, I believe. Correct. Yeah. It's time to get one, really, if that's the config you're really after. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Exactly. Well, dude, I'm really happy we finally got to do this. I'm really happy we got to having this. I'm really happy I got to see all these incredible watches, dude. And congrats on your success. Congrats on what you built. I really am. I really admire you a lot, dude. Thank you very much. Thank you, bro. Thank you.