Derrick Broze Discusses Trump, Epstein, the Surveillance Agenda & MORE

I have a very special guest for you guys today, and we're going to be talking about a lot of important things. That's going to let you guys know exactly where we are right now as a country, as Americans, where we are at this moment and where we're headed as far as when it comes to this digital technocracy of a government that we're becoming. And I have a person that, in my opinion, and as an expert on all things, digital government, right? With no further ado, I'm going to introduce Derek Brose and I'm going to, Derek, if you will just tell the people a little bit of who you are, some of the, uh, your major work and interviews and all of that stuff. I have your links already posted, but just take your time, give them a rundown and just introduce, let them live a little bit about yourself. Thank you. Uh, yeah. Thanks, brother. Thanks for having me on, man. I appreciate it. Um, yeah. So as you said, my name is Derek Brose. I'm originally from Houston, Texas. I'm 40 years old. I've been for the last 15 going on 16 years, I've been involved in first with the activism and then kind of citizen journalism and then becoming an independent journalist full time. Uh, I, my website is the conscious resistance.com where I try to explore the spiritual, the esoteric, as well as hard hitting investigative journalism and exploring government and corporate corruption. And of course, trying to focus on solutions. I regularly speak at different events in person. I've written a number of books. My most recent one in the most relevant to today's conversation is called how to opt out of the technocratic state, which everybody can download for free at the conscious resistance.com slash how to, um, I am the writer, researcher and producer of a 17 part documentary series called the pyramid of power, which explores the various institutions and individuals and organizations, which attempt to control and manipulate our world. Uh, it's, you know, it's not a conspiracy documentary. It's a true crime documentary that looks at these things, all sourced fact, a factual backed up and everything. You can watch it all for free at the pyramid of power.net, the pyramid of power.net. All 16 episodes are available there for free. And I am recently finished writing the, and recording the 17th one, which is attempting to answer who is at the top of the pyramid. It ended up being a three hour episode. So we're releasing into two parts, which will be coming out in the next few weeks. And that has everybody from David Ike and James Corbett and G Edward Griffin, a lot of these kind of older conspiracy researchers, as well as some lesser known researchers who are just what I would consider to be experts in their field. And, um, I, uh, like I said, I'm originally from Houston. I now live in Mexico and I have some land out there with some friends. We're building an eco village and intentional community based around a lot of the principles that I, that we believe in self ownership, bodily autonomy, um, you know, trying to work in balance with the planet, trying to take care of our mind, body and our spirit. And so I'm kind of focusing my more and more of my energy there, but I write articles on a weekly basis. I'm a contributor over at the last American Vagabond with Ryan Christian and collaborate with Whitney Webb as well in the independent media Alliance. And overall just, you know, a person trying to spread truth, trying to not only spread truth and expose truth, but try to see what sort of solutions might be available to us while we are here trying to empower ourselves and better the world. So this is a little bit about what I do. Man, that is, that's excellent, man. And you know, I pretty much came across your work because I was interested in the corruption and government at this time, Derek, you know, that, um, with Trump, his connection with Elon, the doge, all of this stuff that there is a lot of corruption in government. There's a lot of people that supported Trump that have completely turned the other way on Trump. And before I go deep into like some of the topics, you know, cause man, you can go really deep. Um, I want to stay right here just on a political level on, I want to go right into what do you think about the Trump administration, the whole Elon relationship, where it was and where it's at now. Like, can you go into that for a minute? Thank you so much. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. And I'll just say to preface this. So for the people who are not familiar with my work or any of my, you know, my, my, my thoughts outside of this conversation that, um, I am most, most specifically described, my beliefs could be described as an anarchist more specifically a voluntarist, which means that I believe all relationships should be voluntary and consensual. And, uh, you know, most of us live that way. Like you and I right now we're having a voluntary consensual conversation. Nobody's forcing anybody to be here. Nobody's using violence or threat against another person. Uh, and I think that's how most human relationships are. But of course, when you start to look at things like government, you realize government is not voluntary. It's not consensual. You know, if you try to not pay taxes or do certain things, eventually men with guns will come threaten you and take you away or take your, take your property. And so I just want to say that, that that does filter through a lot of my views. So I don't have any belief or hope that the political system is going to save people. My first kind of introduction to politics in 2010, I was definitely in the beginning inspired by people like former Congressman and presidential candidate, Ron Paul, uh, in the beginning, you know, kind of introduced me to the idea of the federal reserve and that sort of thing and just kind of learning more and also occupy occupy was a movement early on in the beginning of, of my activism journey. So I spent a lot of time like with different groups of people. So when Trump came along in 2016, you know, I was anti Bush and anti war right out of high school was calling out Obama for his lies about he was going to go after George Bush for his crimes. And then he totally flip flopped on that. And Obama, you know, dropped more drone bombs than Bush ever did. And, you know, invaded more countries and all this sort of stuff. So by the time Trump came around it, I had no sort of false delusions that somebody was going to come fix the system with politics. I just don't think that's really possible. So I've been skeptical from what I call the Trump deception from the very beginning, since back in 2015, 2016. And, um, there's a lot of reasons I think to be skeptical of Trump, even before we get to the second administration and where we are now. And we look at the different people that he's connected to with the Bilderberg group and the various Zionist interests and technocratic interests and members of the world economic forum, members of the young global leaders, this sort of thing, like even early on, you know, if you understand Trump's history and what's becoming really relevant right now, Trump's relationship decade plus relationship with Jeffrey Epstein, Jeffrey, uh, that, uh, Trump, his, you know, an admitted pedophile abuser, um, you know, that Trump was bailed out by office. The first time he put Wilbur Ross as his commerce secretary, Wilbur Ross was a Rothschild banker, just different things like this to me were already sort of red flags and red alerts way back then. Of course, this has been a massive, you know, from my perspective, this has been a massive psychological operation. So the freedom movement, the truth movement, the conspiracy movement, whatever you want to call it that existed that I remember kind of coming into in 2010 prior, you know, to Trump coming around is completely different because I think there was a massive co-opting of that movement that the powers that wish they were what I call the predator class. They recognize that there was a wake and awakening going on the internet and YouTube and all these things really were spreading a message of awareness. Like there was the, I think that was the real organic, you know, awakening, not this kind of fake Q and on, um, the great awakening type thing. And I think there was just all of this has been an attempt to co-opt it, but in order to co-opt that you have to create a sort of anti-establishment populist hero. And that was the role that I've been saying since the beginning and that Donald Trump was brought in. And I don't think even his last name is a mistake. I mean that he is the Trump card, the sort of hail Mary of the new world order of the deep state, you know, trying to come in and co-op this massive movement that what was that, which was growing. And, um, so I think from the beginning that has been sort of the long game and even the attacks on Trump. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, what I'm saying, what I, what I'm believing, what I'm getting at is that Donald Trump's role was brought in to play this fake anti-establishment hero and to, uh, you know, to play that role and to be attacked for mostly garbage reasons by the left, by the progressives, you know, they could attack him on any sort of legit amount of crimes that he was involved in. Like a lot of people don't realize, especially Trump supporters don't realize that Trump dropped more drone bombs than Obama. Um, he, you know, the people say he's this peace candidate. He actually dropped more drone bombs than Obama in his first year. And then he got rid of this requirement where the government actually had to report on the drones, drone strikes that they made. So now we don't even know, we have no idea because Trump came in, dropped a bunch more than Obama, and then said, okay, we're no longer going to require for them to report. So we don't really know. There's no government statistics now saying how many bombs Trump dropped or Biden dropped or Trump is dropping again. And I could go on and on. But the point is for me, that's been my perspective this whole time is that all the attacks on him, I don't believe this assassination attempt from last year. I don't believe that was real or authentic. I don't claim to know how what part was staged or that nobody died or anything like that, but I definitely have never trusted it from the moment it happened. I think that this is a spiritual, psychological, a savior of a, of a kind, you know, I'm not going to go so far as some people and say he's the antichrist or something, because I think ultimately he's just a character. And, but I absolutely believe that that is the job. It was really crazy, especially on immigration. Sure. I mean, I think I've kind of made my point though, that we, you know, we can pick it up from there that I just think he's, he's been playing a role from the very beginning and everything we're seeing today with Elon and with all this other stuff is just a continuation of, I think people need to be real careful of not falling for the narratives that are put right in front of us. You know, this is this term, more people may be familiar with fifth generation warfare. This just relates to the way that the military and the intelligence agencies fight their wars. They believe social media, the internet itself is a battlefield that there's, you know, our mind is the battlefield. And so there are constantly narratives being placed in front of us, whether it's be offended by this, you know, be triggered by this, be angry about this, be outraged by this. We have to remember that the things that are being placed in front of us trending on Twitter or wherever else, they're not there by mistake. And if we we've seen with people like Ron Paul and other, other powerful people that if the, if the predator class and the people behind the control grid, the pyramid of power don't want you to be seen or heard, they can just get rid of you. Instead what happened was the media talked about Trump everywhere, all the time, every day. It's like for, for them, supposedly hating him or not liking him or, you know, wanting to get rid of him. They sure realized he was good for rating. So I think what we're seeing now, and it's, and I think this is becoming more obvious to more people. I was a lot of resistance around the 2024 election. It feels like especially the last week with the Epstein stuff going on recently that more people are starting to question Trump. Um, but ultimately I think that this is whether it's Trump or just whatever puppet they put out in 2028, that as long as human beings, as long as people continue to start looking to look for strength or a leader outside of themselves and kind of fall into that daddy government thing, then they're going to keep falling for this. They're going to keep being disappointed. You know, there'll be another politician that pops up in a couple of years that we're told is going to save us and fix everything and solve all our problems. But I think that's the bigger issue is that picture is that people are refusing to take responsibility for their own lives. Oh my God. I just got asked you based on everything you just said, right? I've been up this battle. I've been a participant of this battle that you're engaged in. As far as criticizing Trump, Trump has a very cult like following and people will call you a Trump hater. You hate no Trump. And I'm seeing that. And even in my chat room, which I'm going to ignore for the rest of the stream, but this is important. I want to ask you this. What separates Donald Trump from all other presidents presidents being that we're in a time of Pice Aquarius right now, we're leaving Pisces. We're going into this awakening that you described. And it's almost like the elite know that we need a new type of president. This type of president needs to fulfill this savior sort of role that I don't know what's this void in us that we need to save you. But I want you to go down that road about what separate Trump from all the rest of them. Why is this an important time to be living in at this time there? Sure. Yeah. And you know, shout out to the people who say we just have TDS or we're just, you know, we don't understand. We don't trust the plan enough. I'm sure they're out there. Hopefully they will come to see what's going on. You know, the thing that I do think makes Trump different, as I mentioned a few moments ago, I ultimately think he is just a symptom of the larger system and just a puppet. He's not the top of the pyramid as much as people, you know, what maybe people who hate him would like to like to think, or the people who love him would like to think that he's running the show. He's still just another actor playing a role, but I do think he's different in the sense that what I was kind of pointing to a moment ago is that he came in and he is sort of fractured the freedom truth conspiracy movement, where even just in your comment section, in my comment section, there are people who they bought into this narrative that Trump is fighting the deep state. And if we would only just get behind him and support him, we could defeat the new world order. Just ignore all those bad things he's doing. He's doing that for secret, super secret reasons that you'll figure out later and just wait. At some point, the military tribunals will be here and he's going to lock up Hillary Clinton one day. And all this sort of stuff like that you have to just kind of lie to yourself to believe. I think that's what makes him different is that it seemed like, again, when I was coming to the picture, 2009, 2010, people who were awake or consider themselves awake all realized, Oh my God, we were tricked by Obama. A lot of people thought this guy was going to be the opposite of Bush. A lot of people were like, Hey, the first black president, constitutional attorney, well-spoken young, et cetera. This is going to be something different than an old white guy. Right. And many people were fooled by that. And so I remember feeling like at that time, so many people realized the left, right paradigm is false. This is a big part of the trap. We need to wake up and realize both sides are, you know, part of this larger system. And I think Trump broke that and a lot of people, and now they got sucked back into that. And I kind of feel like he in a way represents the real pulling off of the mask. Like Obama was just as much a war criminal as George Bush was and as Trump is and as Biden was, but he was well-spoken and he was nice and polite. And it seems like people will put up with authoritarianism and immoral behavior if you speak to them nicely. But since Trump doesn't really speak eloquently and likes to talk crap and, you know, troll people. And, you know, he kind of plays into the meme culture. I feel like that's the ripping off of this mask of the, of the, like, Obama was like the nice face of, you know, authoritarianism you could stay. Right. And Trump is kind of the ripping off of that mask. And like, here's the ugly truth. I present everything bad about us. Like, I mean, just in the last couple of days, the white house account on Twitter posted or Trump as a King, like their apps need this father figure, a parent figure. They posted Trump as a King. Yo, I didn't know that. That is. And that's another thing. Like when people do compare Trump to the antichrist or the false prophet, you said you wouldn't go that far, but do you can't, could you blame those people that go that far, uh, Derek, because Bible. I can't. Yeah, go ahead, man. Yeah, man. No, I was going to say, I can't, I can't blame him. I can't blame him at all for thinking that again. Like I'm, I'm not, I personally, I'm not somebody who thinks that the, that I, you know, take the Bible literally, but I did grow up in a Christian home and I can't help, but notice a lot of the signs of like, Hey, this, you know, if there ever was an antichrist, this guy sure is competing to be him along with maybe Netanyahu or something like that. But, but I think Trump more than anything, because of some of the things you could point to that, he's trying to paint himself as this peacemaker. He's going to bring peace to the middle. You know, it's most of it is garbage and it's just the narrative he's spreading, but definitely that's what he's trying to be is like, look at me. I'm the great hero. I'm the Superman. I'm the King. I'm the Pope. Um, and even if you, a lot of, I think the reason one of the, the Q kind of psyop was very successful and continues to be successful, unfortunately. And even just with Trump, just, you know, MAGA people is because Trump a couple of times, and I think they've had it on the shirts and stuff. He said things like, they're not coming after me. They're coming after you. And I'm standing in the way. And if you think about that, that's a really powerful message, like to get into people's heads. Like I'm the only thing standing here between destruction from the new world order and you like, so lean on me, trust me at all costs, you know, just ignore my haters. Cause I'm the one that's stopping this. And it's, it's been a very successful psychological operation. You know what I, based on what you just said, I got a sick way into the fact that, and I'm not going to call no names, Derek, cause I respect you and I don't want to get you in no mess. You're a good guy, but there are a lot of big name Trump supporters that don't support him now. And like you mentioned the QAnon movement, we are in a time Derek of like fake whistleblowers and stuff like that. Um, under Trump, you know, you got these fake whistleblowers popping up all over the place, which is why another reason why I reached out to you, cause I know the real from the fake, but Derek, can we trust all of the people that's hopping ship with Trump right now? Or are some of them may be controlled opposition. I know that's a, that's a deep one there. No, no, no. I, I, you know, part of me is just like, I, I, I, I feel like, you know, screw those people. I, I, there, there's a part of me, but the, the better part of me can mean we gotta be able to work with people, right? Like just who I've met and maybe collaborated with on projects who are people who fell for the COVID lies for the first year. And maybe even we're like, Hey, everybody should be getting vaccinated. And then maybe they got injured or something. And then they realized, Hey, okay, there's something else going on here. And now they want to kind of be a part of the movement, right? So to speak. And I don't think it's helpful to just turn our back on those people and say, well, no, you fell for it. So we can't work with you. Can't collaborate with you. But with that said, it definitely is hard for me to work with some Trump supporters and, and is more specifically the influencers like you're talking about. I think like the people, the big names who now they're waking up the last week. And this was really frustrating for me because if anybody who follows my work, or if you go back to see the reporting I was doing before the election in the September, October, November of 2024, I did, for example, a two hour conversation with Ian Carroll, who people may know because he went on Joe Rogan and he just kind of blew up over the last year. It kind of came out of nowhere, made a lot of people very suspicious of like how somebody just goes so viral, you know, so quickly. And we, we did this big discussion, laying out all the evidence to him of like, Hey, Trump's surrounded by this person. Trump's got this going on. I promise you, he's going to sell tech. He's going to expand technocracy and surveillance and all this sort of stuff. And Ian listened to me and he's like, you're right. I can't, I can't debunk what you're saying, but I'm still going to tell my people to go vote for him. Right. And so then to have somebody like that in the last month or two, turn around and start being critical of Trump. It's just like, you know, it's frustrating. So of course I want to work with people. I don't want to be the kind of person to shun someone and say like, Hey, I can't ever kind of work with you. I think we should have lines, you know, with like, there's certain things we, you know, we won't work with certain types of people we won't work with. But, um, if somebody genuinely is waking up to Trump finally, and they're trying to spread the truth, I applaud that. But yeah, I'm, I'm with you, man. I'm skeptical of a lot of these big names who now all of a sudden are, you know, claiming they see the truth about Trump. And then the other thing I'm seeing is some of them, they're not even really doing that. What they're doing is they're blaming Pam Bondi or they're blaming Kash Patel. They'll blame anybody but Trump. They'll just say, Oh, that's the people around him. They made those bad decisions. Well, who do you think is putting the people there? But Trump, right? Right. Derek, I'm going right into the next one. Cause I don't know how much time you got. And I gotta just pick your mind for the whole while. Let's go into something very important to me, which is Trump basically handing over the government to the technocracy deregulating the EPA so that we can compete with China. Let me just stop right there. Touch on just that. And I'll go somewhere later with, I'm going to throw a little bit at a time at you. Sure. I appreciate that, brother. And yeah, I'm good to the top of the hour. Just FYI. Yeah. You know, this is, this is one important topic for me that I have tried to stay on a, like I've mentioned earlier, I wrote a book called how to opt out the technocratic state, which is partially a history of the technical technocracy movement from the 1930s. And also a little bit of as the title implies, like a kind of a guide on how to prepare for digital IDs and facial recognition and you know, travel restrictions. And a lot of things that we saw during COVID I wrote the book in 2019 and published it in 2020. And I was sort of writing it thinking, you know, we've got five, 10, maybe 20 years. And then COVID came along and it seemed like everything I was warning about happened pretty quickly right after that. And COVID itself is a perfect example of the sort of technocratic mindset to use technology, to try to solve all of our problems. And I'm not anti technology. Obviously we're using technology right now and I appreciate, you know, as a tool, but the technocracy movement specifically says that democracy has failed. People are too dumb to know what's good for them. So voting doesn't work. And I do think that there's an argument that, you know, democracy itself is limiting, but these people don't say that and say, and we need to empower the people. What they say is we should abolish voting. We should get rid of just, you know, the political class and we should get rid of the business class. And instead you should have the experts and the engineers using artificial intelligence and technology to micromanage society. And they call this a technocracy or rule by technology ruled by the technocrats. And this philosophy was originally came about in the 1930s and forties in the US and Canada. And it's interesting folks might not be aware that Elon Musk's great, uh, his grandfather Joshua Haleman was actually involved in the technocracy movement in Canada. So Elon Musk has historic connections to this movement and he is now a modern technocrat himself. So what they're doing with the doge and what we've seen since COVID and everything else since then is absolutely part of this kind of technocratic idea. Trump and Elon promoted as we're going to make the government more efficient. And I think we can all agree that government is very bloated in a lot of ways. There's definitely waste there. There's definitely some things that you could try to fix and try to, if you really truly wanted to make government more, you know, more kind of responsible to the people, let's say, but that's not what they're doing. That's not what, that's the sort of public face of what they're pretending to do. But as you said, it's more about deregulation and, and not in ways that I would argue are going to help anybody other than their billionaire technocrat buddies. Um, the other thing is, and I've written articles about this as well, that if you study the technocracy movement and you study some of the movements before it in the 1920s, there was another movement called the efficiency movement and the efficiency movement basically inspired the technocracy movement and the technocracy movement continued to inspire a lot of these deep state agents, um, and including presidential advisors, like as a big new Brzezinski and others. And so Elon Musk and everything they're doing now with him, as well as Peter Thiel, who is part of the PayPal mafia that co-founded PayPal with Elon Musk and with others. And he's also the co-founder of Palantir. He's also a steering committee member of the Bilderberg group. Um, he is numerous acolytes in his, in his kind of world. They call it even in the mainstream, the Theo verse, which is all these different people who are connected to him because he's a billionaire investor. He's started a bunch of companies, seed funded a lot of different companies and a bunch of his acolytes are in the Trump administration. So there's direct connections to the Bilderberg group to the technocrats in Trump's current administration. And the department of government efficiency is not about trying to make government more efficient or helpful to the people. What it is is to try to take us a step closer towards AI governments governance by artificial intelligence. That's what this is ultimately about. And of course all of this technocracy and you know, it's about control, but it's also part of this sort of larger transhumanist movement as well. And Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, all these guys are directly tied into that. And Elon Musk is a whole nother conversation on his own. Just like we were talking about with Trump. There's a lot of people now who have fallen for the Elon deception and they think, okay, well now Elon's going to start a third party. That'll be the way to fix it. And this is kind of what I mean. Like people just keep looking for somebody outside themselves to solve things. And so they keep thinking politics is going to be the answer. But Elon not only was his family connected to the technocracy movement, but if you look at his wealth and all the things he has, it's directly connected to the military industrial complex. I mean, he, he gets government subsidies and corporate corporate welfare in order to do what he does. Like he is a contractor for the military industrial complex, the people at the war class, you know, the war machine and he's not on our side. He also has openly advocated for transhumanism and and other things that I think are more concerning. But so overall my, my belief that this department of government efficiency and the Doge Trump alliance, and I think now we're being told in the mainstream, they're having a breakup and you know, and that's what I think is part of the narrative too. It's like, okay, people are becoming disappointed with Trump already. They saw that they're doing a coverup for Epstein. So now Elon steps into this place as the new hero who's like, Hey, I'm going to call out Trump and we're going to start a new political party and we'll fix it. And you know, it's just, I guess in four more years, now people are going to go to, to whoever Elon supports or endorses. And to me, I just think it's just a cycle that we're going to keep going through because the game is rigged. Like I don't understand how so many of our awake brothers and sisters can look at the world we're living in and can acknowledge that we have, you know, pedophiles and government and celebrities and religion and different areas. We have people like Jeffrey Epstein and networks involved in all kinds of stuff like that. And then still think that you're going to vote your way out of that system, that those people in those networks are just going to, oops, we didn't see Trump come and we never could have imagined that he totally caught us off guard. And now, you know, he's going to beat us out of our own game. It's just, I think it's just falling for hopium and we got to do better than that. That's facts because it's like everything is already planned out years in advance when it come to these people. And like the people we see in power, they will, it's like, it doesn't matter who's in his seat. Presidents change, but policy don't. That's one thing that it's like the president's going to carry out whatever script that the people above him want him to carry out, which is why no matter what religion a president is, they all become Yarmulke wearing practitioners of Judaism when they get in. They all, that's all I'm going to say. Yeah, they all, they definitely all will go kiss the ring of Israel for sure. It gets the kiss, the ring of the Zionists. That is big fact. And you know, what's crazy about you, man, is that you really have no fears talking the way you talk. I know you've ran for mayor in Houston. You're a big voice. You're on big platforms and you would, what I would consider a like a real whistleblower, like someone who is on big platforms talking a lot of stuff that I would say requires you to need some type of protection. What would you say about stuff like that? Did you get any type of weird death threats or anything like that being a truth or in your position, man? I appreciate that brother. I definitely have had some things, some, some odd things happen over the years. Uh, you know, sometimes it's hard to know, right? I mean, the internet is a crazy place. So you got trolls and people who say all kinds of hateful, bigoted, mean things. And you know, you can't take that stuff too seriously. I'm sure you understand you got to have a thick skin on the internet with, especially if you start reading the comments, but there have been times in some of my, some of my, um, my research, particularly, uh, you know, we're talking, we mentioned Epstein earlier. I've, I've been researching Jeffrey Epstein since 2016. I produced a documentary on Jeffrey Epstein and 2018 called bringing down Jeffrey Epstein, which you can find at my website, as well as the rest of my documentaries. And the year after that, I started investigating this cult called the finders. And I won't get into the whole story of them, but I encourage people to go watch that documentary as well. It's called who will find what the finders hides. It's about this cult that was caught trafficking children with connections to the CIA. It's one of the most underreported undercover stories that I, I, you know, I've ever stumbled into. And as I started to go down that rabbit hole and not just, you know, do some research on the internet, but I mean, I'm contacting ex agents of the department of Homeland security who were involved with blowing the whistle. I'm flying across the country to go meet them. I'm picking up the phone. I'm doing the real journalistic work that it takes to try to get to the truth, right. And they were definitely sometimes in that process where we came home and some of the windows were open. None of my stuff was taken. Try to put a little fear in me. There was definitely people who reached out during that investigation about the work you're doing. I'm so-and-so I'm also research, you know, just everything's just kind of trying to discourage me from going any further, telling me like, Oh, I looked at it and it was, it was no big deal. It was all a misunderstanding. So there's been things like that. Um, as far as the, excuse my lighting, the sun's going down over here. As far as, uh, you know, I did run for mayor. Like you mentioned, I ran for mayor of Houston two times. And, and that is, I wanted to be able to get the message out as far and wide as possible. You know, I think it's just, I don't believe, as I said, I don't believe politics can save us, but by becoming a candidate for mayor of Houston, I went from being Derrick bros, the local conspiracy theorist to Derrick bros candidate for mayor of Houston. And all of a sudden I'm getting invited to radio shows and to talk shows in the morning and the, you know, all the local news and then rich neighborhoods and poor neighborhoods and black neighborhoods and white neighborhoods and Republican groups and Democrat groups spreading the same message that we're talking about now, you know, like just, it gave me a platform and a way to, to reach people that might not necessarily be following you or following me and kind of already plugged in, but just regular average people who are in the city and who are concerned, but they might not be fully that we, like we might not necessarily consider them to be awake. Right. But they're concerned. And so my, my goal was like, how, how do I get into the city where I'm born and raised here in Houston and where I see lots of corruption and try to actually spread a message there? Because although I don't really believe in politics, I do think that it's that we would be better served if each of us got more involved in our local communities. That doesn't mean running for office necessarily, if that's what people want to do. Great. But I just mean like getting involved in activism, going out and passing a flyer every now and then going out and talking to people, trying to try to empower and awaken the local area you actually live in. Like if more of us put energy into that. And I did that for a number of years, I started an activist group called the Houston freethinkers and 2010, we were able to push back. We got rid of some bad things in the city. We were able to kick the TSA off the Houston bus line. They tried to expand them and take them from the airport to the buses. And we organized with some lawyers and we didn't, you know, vote or beg the government. We just organized and showed up at their headquarters and showed up at their meetings until they shut down the program and they never brought it back. We had a lot of successes on the activism front, going out and passing out flyers, hosting events, hosting documentary screens. And you know, that's was my way. I know that's not necessarily everybody's way, but I do think it's something worth our time to try to see how can we reach the people in our local areas? Because if you think about it, if we only focus on connecting with other awake or, you know, kind of researchers on the internet and we never do it in our own backyards, while the world is progressing towards this agenda, it might be helpful for us to try to have as many like-minded people in our local area as possible, right? Because it's cool to know people from the other side of the planet, but I can't help you if you know, the new world order arrives and you don't have anybody in your like-minded people in your area. So I do focus a lot on that. Like, how do we get locally involved? And how do we try to wake up the people in our own communities? These are big facts. You know, I say some of the same things you say as far as getting involved in your local area. I hear a lot of people say get involved with your local government cause that'll make a bigger impact than if we get involved with, you know, trying to vote for this guy on a federal level to make change happen. But the thing about this, when you say get involved with local government, a lot of people are turnt off in like the, I would say conscious community, because they are convinced their votes don't matter. And I don't know if I'm putting words in your mouth or if I'm able to speak with you here, but I don't think you mean necessarily just vote. I think you're meaning know what's going on in your area, for example. Right, right. You want to go just go and take, yeah, you can take a, because look what happened in Memphis with Elon building a AI data center there that supposedly got the people sick, but they didn't know it was even built there until the pollution happened. And is that's a result of not knowing what's going on, you know, in your area. You got it. Absolutely. Absolutely. You know, so I, being from Houston, which is a city, it's the fourth largest city in the United States, massively spread out in sprawl. It's, it's pretty hard to organize in a place this big. And especially when you go, when you go downtown, you go to city hall, and you see the weekly city council meetings where the 16 people in the mayor are sitting and you realize these 16 people controlled this entire city of 4 million people. And nobody has any idea what they're doing every week up here. There's, you know, maybe there's 50 people in there on a good week, but on average there's nobody paying attention. And I realized that even more so when I did run for mayor, you're correct. I'm not saying go vote locally. I am saying, if you feel like voting is, you know, if you're like, all right guys, I'm still going to vote. You will have way more impact if you go vote for your local school board or your vote for your town council or city council, because those are the people who are going to influence the policies in your area. Like a lot of people worry about the United Nations agenda, 2030 and stuff like that. Well, how do you think they passed that? They started on the local level. The UN doesn't have any power to do it. Instead they promote the ideas and then some local city says, okay, we're going to start a 15 minute city or something like that. Right? So just like you said with that other example, if you don't know what's going on in your own backyard, all of a sudden it's going to be there. You know, the smart city, the 15 minute city, whatever kind of crazy policy, it could be some transgender stuff in the school, all kinds of things. If you're not paying attention, then these agendas are going to spread. So while we often put so much attention and focus on what's the federal politics up to or the international politics, what's Trump up to this kind of stuff. And that's my job to pay attention to as a journalist. And you know, it has some meaning, but it's much more valuable to get involved and know what's going on in your own backyard. And I've met a lot of good people just by going to city council meetings. I think they also do this in most cities in a way they make it where it's not easy for the average person. Like if you're a person that does have a day job, you work nine to five, city council is at two in the afternoon on a Tuesday downtown, you know, you got to take off work, you got to go drive down there. And they know that. And if you sign up, you know, you might wait two or three hours just to speak two to three minutes and then be ignored. Like, it's not a very satisfying experience. In fact, it kind of makes you realize like, wow, these people really don't care. And that's what I was saying. When I started to run, I saw firsthand, I was like, man, because there's so low to such a low voter turnout. And I'm not arguing like, let's go vote and think we're going to solve it. But just as an example, 4 million people in the city of Houston, and only they only get like on average at best, like maybe 20% of the city to vote. And so let's say there's a mayoral election and there's 10 different candidates and there's 20% of the city of 4 million people voting that 20% of voting gets spread out across 12 different candidates. So a mayor of the fourth largest city might be elected by 50,000 people, you know, at best, maybe 20,000, 30,000 people because there's so few people paying attention. And of course, we all know that when, when there's ignorance and when there's not people watching corruption's thriving. So you can, you better believe that every week when those city councils meeting, you know, they might say agenda item a, and it's for X amount of dollars and you have no idea that that's a contract with one of their buddies or something like that. And there's, unfortunately, there's just not enough real journalists and activists with time on their hands to keep up with it. The corruption is, is really abundant, you know? So yeah, I'm not saying voting on the local level is going to fix all our problems, but getting to know what's going on in your own community can definitely have a better impact. You know, I know that we're all not the kind of personality that wants to be the leader, so to speak, but maybe we're at that time and place where that's what we need. You know, things are definitely not just going to get better by us just talking to each other on the internet. You know, I love doing podcasts and you got a podcast. I like watching people's shows, but the week can just sit here and talk about it on the internet and watch as things get worse. And the technocracy marches in and the Epstein's get away and you know, the surveillance increases and the digital IDs come and it's just going to keep happening as we watch it from our screens, or we can try to maybe do something about it or spread information and see if we can build that kind of grow that conscious awareness. Big, big facts. I want to talk to you about this Epstein getting away. And then I want to segue into the digital technocracy that in your words, we all have a role to play in order to stop that. We can't because I hear a lot of people before we go there, Derek, they're saying, well, AI is here. The digital takeover is here. We might as well start learning it and getting on board with it versus trying to push back, you know, sort of thing. But before we go there, I want to go into the Epstein thing first, because it shows this sort of corruption in government that Trump is in office. He's using his power and he's like a, listen, he's like a Kramer, the first criminal president we had, like, but him covering up for Epstein, what does this mean in the compromising of this role of president? We always said the president's seat, just a puppet. But like for him to get in that seat and use his power to cover up his involvement with Epstein, what does this mean for us? What, what should we take out of this besides just the gossip aspect? Cause we talking real PDF files. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So he, you know, it's funny that you the way you even frame that question, because I'm with you and I wholeheartedly believe, and I've been shouting since for the, from the rooftop since my documentary in 2018 about Trump's relationship with Epstein. But if you were to go into certain shows and certain comment sections, you would hear people saying, no, that's all been debunked. There's no relationship between Trump and Epstein. They weren't friends for decades. We don't have pictures with them, you know, all over the place and videos. We don't have pictures of Trump with Ghislaine Maxwell and others. So I'm glad to know that on this show, we can acknowledge the truth that Trump had a extensive relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and people still try to keep, you know, turn their blinders onto that. And the interesting thing about that, man, actually just real quick, a lot of the Trump supporters actually use an interview of I did about eight years ago to try to debunk the claims that Trump is connected to Epstein because I interviewed Bradley Edwards. He was one of the lead attorneys investigating the crimes against Epstein. This was when Epstein was still alive. And I went to Florida for one of the hearings. This was 2017. I want to say it was before my documentary and it was just Epstein wasn't there, but it was one of the hearings for one of the victims. And I heard about it. So I went there in person and I got to interview the Brad Edwards and get his story. And what he told me was that Trump was one of the only people who who helped him out and who gave him information relating to Epstein. And so his supporters take that little clip, just that short section, of course, they don't play the full interview. And I think they take it out of context and they say, see, look, the attorney for the victims even said Trump was the only one that helped. But what's important for people to understand is that Trump, whatever information he gave to Brad Edwards, he gave. So just over the phone, not under oath, not under any sort of deposition, not under any sort of legal circumstances. He didn't actually come testify. It was just, he picked up the phone and he told them some things. And also it's important to know that Trump, like most of the people, of course they started singing about Epstein after he got arrested in 2005, but not before. That's why you can find these old articles from, I think the New Yorker and others back in the nineties and early two thousands where Trump was talking about Epstein and saying, oh yeah, Jeffrey, he sure likes him young. Like Trump was fully aware of this stuff and they never tried to do anything about it until after he got arrested in 2005. Then everybody's like, you know, ready to sing and they got a story to tell. And so I think that's important for people to understand. And the bigger picture too, is of course that Epstein is just a piece of the puzzle and maybe even a small piece, it just like the nexus, the center, but not the head of the snake, so to speak. We need to be asking questions about people who are walking free, like Leslie Wexner, who's the head of the limited brands and the head of Victoria's secret. He was one of, he was probably the real financier of Jeffrey Epstein. And you wouldn't be surprised to find out that he was a very, he's a billionaire Jewish financier who was connected to a group. You're not going to find a lot of information out there, but there's some, the mega group was of Jewish financiers that were literally, and these are the people behind Mossad Israel. I think there's connections there, connections, potentially British intelligence connections through Ghislaine Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell. My point here is there's still people out there walking freely, including Leslie Wexner, who, and you know, really investigated to any degree. And I think a cover for this, anybody who's surprised, I hate to say this was what's going to happen, but so many people fell for the narrative that, Oh, Trump's gonna, Trump's going to come in and he's going to save the day. He's going to, you know, release all the Epstein. I was released JFK files, release whatever else and play. But I think anybody who was actually paying attention ahead of time and was honest about his connections to Epstein could have seen this coming from far away. Most definitely. I saw it coming from far away myself. I also noticed something else that's kind of like, I want to skip over and we can still kind of land our plane on an Epstein thing. But I'd noticed that up under Trump, Derek, there's a lot of UAP UFO phenomena. And I remember back in the day, a lot of the people in the quote unquote, yeah, they were talking about blue beam stuff. Yeah. Talk about, you just go in with the UAP UFO thing. Yeah. Being weak today. But you know, that's an interesting point you bring up with the UAPs. Um, it's, I definitely would say I'm not an expert on that field, but I'm, I've been skeptical of it the whole time. And I do think that there is the potential for some sort of, uh, whether it's a false flag, kind of like a project blue beam, fake alien invasion type thing or something like that. I'm hyper skeptical of all the talk of this UFO UAP stuff popping up. And, um, you know, I know there's a lot of different theories in that community. What, you know, is our aliens real? Are UFOs real? Is it all military technology? You know, some people believe it's demons. They believe it's fallen angel. There's a range of theories and I'm not here to say which one is correct or not. All I know is if the government is talking about it and they're, they're now willing to talk about UFOs when, as you were saying, you know, five, 10, 15 years ago, talking about that was untouchable. You're a crazy person for even considering that. Now all of a sudden the U S government's talking about it, like it's normal when, like it's, it's, it's just a, you know, it's a common thing to talk about. It makes me super skeptical for sure. I'm definitely, um, I'm definitely weary of any complaint and any sort of storylines like that. And for people who don't know the project blue beam sort of narrative, or, um, it's a, it's almost kind of a myth at this point, but it's the idea that the U S government or the UN or whatever organization would stage a fake alien invasion using a technology that they already have using things like holograms in the sky and, um, different kinds of technology, different kinds of craft that they would be fully controlling, but to stage this fake invasion and order to call for eventually a one world government, one world religion, et cetera, things like that. And it's, you know, it's got a lot of pieces to the puzzle. I'm not, you know, I always kind of keep that one in my back pocket because it sounds like such a fantastical, crazy idea. And I remember when I first heard about it back in the 2010s or so, I just like, wow, that, that sounds super intense. But as the years have gone on and technology has advanced, it's like, they sure could do that if they wanted to pull that off. I don't, I wouldn't put it past them. Um, that would be the perfect scenario to usher in this sort of one world government. I think a drill that they did was to plan Demick on the Trump's first term, what he got that entire UN or W E F all of the governments of the world or work together under this quote unquote medical plan Demick. So they exercise their worldwide unity on a biological level. But that was kind of like a little mini worldwide martial law, if you will. But I think the alien of fake alien invasion would definitely make all of the militaries, the UN go to us, that sort of one world agenda, man, me and you are spot. I thought I was crazy, man. Interviewing you. Let me know that. Hey man, you know, we ain't crazy chat room. So, uh, Derek, one more thing I want to say. Yeah, man, they're with you, man. This is a lot of good stuff you've given me. But when you talk about, uh, the, uh, Trump being is sort of anti establishment, establishment president and him being the face of the digital government of America. When we're saying we got to compete with China, it's starting to look like we're, we're not trying to compete with China. We're just borrowing their model of government to police our own people like China. You can agree with that. That's that's, that's exactly right, man. I mean, that's, that is what I warned about in my book. Again, I want to just encourage everybody to go ahead and download it for free. There's a free audio book. I'm not trying to sell it to you. I'm just mentioning it because I do think there's some important conversations to be had here. And that is exactly what I talked about in the book is that the system that the U S version of this technocratic state is modeling after is the Chinese system, as well as other places like the Indian system, the India has had something they call that was funded in part by the bill of rights foundation. They went around and scan the faces and the eyes of over a billion Indian citizens to get them all on this digital ID program, where now if you want to be on a government services, or if you want to ride the bus, if you want to start a business or do any kind of thing like that, you got to have this adhar system to operate. And it's similar in parts of China with the fact that the one app to rule them all. And that's very similar to what Elon Musk has said. He wants to do with X. He wants to turn it into the one app, you know, where you can bank with it, you can have your money, your healthcare, your social media, et cetera. I encourage everybody to reject that whenever they, they brought, bring that out because the digital IDs, it's all tied in there, whether they call it a vaccine passport or immunity passport, or, you know, a cool app or whatever, it's all about trying to get people further to that system. And the, you know, since we're going to wrap up, I just want to mention that the solutions that I currently believe in, I mean, I think this is definitely a spiritual game we're on as well. So I encourage people to, you know, do what you got to do to get right with your creator in your own ways, whatever that means to you. But in the physical realm, I think that the solution, at least the approach that I'm taking is to focus on, how do we become free from these systems as much as possible while there's still time? And also to focus on the building of parallel systems, alternative systems outside of their hands. This is what I call in my book and in a lot of my presentations and, and, uh, talks exit and build the idea of exiting from the coming slavery systems. That's what they're going to be. These, these systems are going to lead to a loss of privacy, a loss of Liberty, and exiting from those systems as much as possible, whether you're talking about the CBDCs and the financial system or the health, you know, the so-called healthcare system, or opting out of facial recognition where you can opting out of big tech, where you can, and then building new systems or supporting those who are building new systems. And I'll, I'll just give a brief example. Like right now, there's probably a lot of really educated, empowered, well-meaning people who are using Gmail, who are using Google for their companies or for their businesses or their projects. We could all say, Hey, I'm not going to support and Google because they represent this technocracy. We could take this idea. Exit and build is kind of like voting with your dollar, but you apply it to every area of your life, not just your wallet. You could say right now, I'm going to go to no more google.com and I'm going to start researching some tips and some tricks on how I could stop using Gmail or stop using Google drive or stop using these different services. Because there are alternatives to all these things, whether we're talking about technology, care, education, um, food, like where we get our food, how, what we're supporting with that food. This is what I believe is the real answer. Changing your habits, maybe relationships. It's more work than pushing a button every four years or every two years. And in saying, I'm going to trust in a president or somebody to save me, or I'm going to do nothing. And I'm going to be black pilled and say, everything's hopeless. All is lost. I might as well just, you know, celebrate the end of times for me. I believe that we're here on this planet to carve a different path for humanity, for those of us who can see what's coming. And if we can see what's coming and we can see that there's a train wreck ahead, we can either do nothing and just sit still as we watch it happen. And then I think if we do that, we are selling our ancestors, those who have come in before us. We're also selling out the coming seven generations. Our indigenous communities teach us we're going to leave for our children, our grandchildren, and great grand us. And so the things we do today or do not do and whether or not the coming generations have any other option outside of this technocratic state that these psychopaths are trying to build. So my focus is on how do we exit from these systems? How do we untangle ourselves from these systems? It doesn't happen overnight. It's a process. It takes time. It takes a level of commitment that maybe most people don't have or don't want. But I believe that's the real answer is to get free of these systems while we can focus on building alternatives. So if, and when this system progresses, we're not locked inside of it. All your money doesn't turn into central bank, digital currencies or stable coins and become digitized and tracked and trace. And then all of a sudden you're like, whoops, I knew this was coming. I've been watching bro Sanchez and he's telling me this is coming, but I didn't do anything about it. So I guess I'll just enjoy living in the FEMA camp. That's not enough for me. So I'm trying to be as proactive as possible. And I appreciate you having me on the show, brother. I really do. I appreciate you being here. And last but not least, before you go, just tell people how they could follow you in the future. And, uh, you know, just, you know, keep the tabs on you and see where you're going to be at as far as broadcasting outside of this show and as well as they can, what they can do to help you and support your mission. Thank you for that, brother. Yeah. So, um, my, uh, my website again is the con, the conscious resistance.com. That's the best place to find my, uh, I do a semi weekly podcast depending on how busy I am, but you can always find me at the conscious resistance.com. That's where my books are at. That's where my documentaries are at. Um, you can support us if you want to buy some shirts or, you know, like I said, check out my books, uh, my documentary series, the, the pyramid of power I mentioned is at the pyramid of power.net. And, um, yeah. And if you're looking to find like-minded people in your area, I encourage you to check out another website that I'm involved in called freedomcells.org. Just sign up for a free profile. It's a way to help you find like-minded people in your area, like-minded groups so that we can start getting organized in those ways that I'm talking about. So, yeah, I really appreciate you, brother. Thank you for having me on and thanks to everybody in the audience.