The Megyn Kelly Show | Victor Davis Hanson Megyn Kelly is joined by Victor Davis Hanson, author of "The Counterrevolution," to discuss the lies being spread about the Karmelo Anthony case, from Sunny Hostin's comments on The View to Team Anthony's changing narrative after the verdict, how it fits into the pattern of racialization in other high-profile criminal cases, and more.
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The speakers critique Sunny Hostin and the media for applying a \"racial prism\" to a stabbing case, arguing that the narrative was manipulated based on the race of the victim and perpetrator. They expand this into a broader critique of DEI, tribalism, and the perceived decline of meritocracy in American institutions.
Sunny Hostin, at least, she's the only lawyer of the group, she knows better. So she's just
defaulting to her racial priors, which is an Achilles heel for her on every story.
She sees everything through a racial prism, even now the law, and it's downright dangerous to
the disinformation campaign being unleashed on the American people right now around this case.
Yeah, it is. I mean, I think all of us went to high school, and we went to track meets
and football games, and we understood there were two different sides. And sometimes there were
tents where parents would meet, but no one went to those events with a knife, armed,
concealed weapon in your backpack. And then no one went to the other side or to a group that he knew
might be hostile or might feel that you were uninvited. And then when asked to leave,
would not leave, and then almost dared people to force him to leave. And then when somebody
tapped him, took out a weapon and stabbed it, not in his shoulder, not in his leg,
but right through his heart and killed him and then left the scene, did not say, I'm sorry,
or I didn't mean to do it. Let's see if we can stop the bleeding, just left.
And then admitted to what he did to law enforcement. So it was a pretty open and shut
case. He went to the track meet armed, and you can make the argument he intended to use that,
or he wouldn't have brought it if he got into a situation which he created. So it was pretty open
and shut. But I'm not even sure there has been a lot of different conflicted press reports.
Some say that he weighed at 160. I don't know what he weighed, but the idea that
there was a weight disparity is not really applicable when you push somebody. I mean,
when somebody gently pushes you and then you take out a weapon. The other thing I never understood,
they kept saying, it was just a knife. It was just a knife. I heard that for about two weeks.
It was just a small pocket. It doesn't really matter. And it's not a murder weapon. A rock
can be a murder weapon. A piece of stick can be a murder weapon. It doesn't really matter that it
was a knife and not a gun, or the blade was this long or not that long. So they've tried every
single ruse because they can't confront the reality that there's two young men. One person
is not where he's supposed to be. He's gently asked to leave. He does not want to leave. He
wants to make a point. And he came with a weapon. And so I don't know what else to say other than
it's a larger commentary on racial relations. Ever since the Obama years, I think the idea
was we were very optimistic that race was becoming incidental, not essential to who we all are. And
now it just seems to me when affirmative action morphed into diversity, equity, and inclusion,
and then the George Floyd, and then it was just a focus, a fixation, addiction to racial disparities,
and then it was statue topping, and toppling, and name changing, and get rid of the SAT,
and equality of result. And we became obsessed with it. And I think what happened, people got,
they were wrong and met a pressure that this was going to be the norm. And then when we had a
change of administration, people, whether it was DEI and the Defense Department, or the Ivy League
and Stanford and other universities reinstating the SAT and coming to their senses, then everybody
got very angry in the DEI community. Well, we were in control. We had reinvented America. Now
you're doing this to us. So it just further exacerbated. And I don't think it's going to
lessen until everybody, according to their station, just says race is incidental to me.
I don't care what you call me, call me any name you want, but I don't really particularly care
about race. I'm just going to treat people equally. And if you can't, then you're the racist.
And I think I feel a change in the country on all these issues, the trans issue, the DEI issue,
the border issue that everybody, and they're looking at Europe too, and they're just saying
this is not sustainable in a democracy to have a return to tribalism and tribal chauvinism.
It's a pre-civilizational idea, and it's not compatible historically with consensual government.
The historian Thucydides tries to explain why you had Greek city-states and why they are so
sophisticated. And one thing he says is before these emerged, people identified by their tribal
affiliations and they were migratory. And what he's trying to say is that when you identify by
your ethnic clan or your superficial appearance, you can't do it. It reminds me when I was in
Libya, and I asked somebody, you're the fifth wealthiest oil producer in the world. Why are
the roads full of potholes? Why is everything so decrepit? And my Soviet era minder turned to me
and he said, Mr. Hansen, we hire our first cousin. We hire our first cousin over anybody else. End
of story. And he was a Libyan official. What he was saying is that we still, for all of our
communism, were ethnically tribal, and that's the bane of civilization. And here we see it coming
back again and again. But I think this time, Sunni Hassan doesn't realize that there is a lot of
people that are fatigued with it all. And I hope that they understand that because I don't think
we're going to go back to that aberration after George Floyd for four or five years. I just don't
think it's going to happen. Well, it's so maddening, Victor, because the way they're talking
about this case is as if Austin Metcalfe stabbed and killed Carmelo Anthony. You think Sunni Hassan
would be out there arguing it was self-defense if this exact scenario went down, exact scenario,
but reverse the races of Anthony and Metcalfe. Zero chance. There would have been riots on the
street about this case from the moment it happened. And at this trial, there would have been
protests outside to make sure the jury came to a guilty verdict. There would have been celebrations
when the guilty verdict was read. There would be absolutely no empathy for the killer because he's
what they would be saying. But simply because Austin Metcalfe was lighter skinned than Carmelo
Anthony, they've changed the entire narrative to make him a villain, not the victim, and to make
Carmelo Anthony into this poor, sweet child who just felt threatened by the very large football
player whom he clearly provoked and whom he stabbed in the heart, taking his life instantly
and giving him zero chance to fight for his own life, Victor. I think also there's a larger context
and when I meant the word fatigue, when the Juicy Smollett farce, I remember Carmela Harris said,
this is a modern day lynching. And then we had the Ferguson situation, hands up, don't shoot.
That was a complete lie. That was demonstrably untrue as Eric Holder's DOJ proved.
Sonny Hostin was part of that. She was part of that. She was on the set at CNN
with her little hands up and her little fake sign.
I remember that. And then Trayvon Martin was not a diminutive little teen. He was out
looking for trouble and he hit George Zimmerman. And that was one against the other. And he was
hitting him in the head and they even photoshopped the police file later and they, I think, CNN
doctored the 911 call. And then we had the Duke lacrosse and then we had going way back to Tawana
Brawley. But my point is that they have a predictable pattern, even the most controversial
George Floyd. It was very clear, whatever Officer Chauvin did, at the very instant that this thing
hit the news, that you could not say the following. You could not say that he was a
prison convict. He had a long rap sheet. He had engaged in a home invasion where one of his
friends had put a knife to someone's, a young woman who was defenseless, to her abdomen.
You could not say that he was in the process of allegedly, and I think convincingly, passing
counterfeit currency. You couldn't say that if he wasn't on fentanyl, if he didn't resist arrest,
if he had just got in the car as he was asked, none of this would have, that was all taboo.
And then we had all of this misdirection that Blacks are inordinately killed by
unarmed Blacks, far disproportionate to their arrest. And we had the Washington Post come out
and say, actually, of all the people, 11 million people who were arrested,
there is no difference in racial proportions of those who are unarmed who were shot by police.
But I guess what I'm trying to say is that the media, the whole race industry, they've done it
so many times, it's like crying wolf. And it's sad because there may be some case where the
circumstances are different, but they don't understand the effect that they're having on
general population. And I don't confine it, Megan, to the white population. I live in a
community that's 95% Hispanic. And I can tell you that on every one of these issues, they are tired
of it. They are tired of it. As one person said to me not too long ago, why are these wealthy
white people attacking the ICE? Do you know, Victor, that 45% of ICE officers are Mexican
American, and they're middle class, and they're just trying to protect their communities from
being overrun by illegals who are a large number are criminal. So what I'm getting at is that the
whole fixation on race and illegal immigration, trans, all of these issues, they're not sustainable.
And people, you know, they're, the Democrat, just to get final, the Democrats should run away with
these midterms. They always do. 38 out of the last 41 midterm, the end party in the White House
loses seats. And I don't know whether, I don't know what it is, but their popularity is going
down, down, down, down, the Democrats. And it's because of the candidates that they are nominating
that resonate these issues we're talking about. A Graham Plattner or Tell Rico. And
I don't think there's a constituency for it. I really don't. I think people are really angry,
and they're not talking about it, because they understand that it's, it's career ending,
or it's dangerous, or you get social pressure. But there is, it's not over with the anger about
what's happening in the country. It's not just Trump, it's still there. And people are saying,
when you look at that picture of the European, it's kind of a worthless Parliament,
it doesn't have much power. But when you saw two to one vote to end illegal immigration,
and people were actually in Europe got up and said, send them back, whether you agree with
that or not, that's that's incredible for Europe. And you can see these parties you can see in the
Western Hemisphere, conservative victories in Colombia and Ecuador, Peru, Chile, Argentina,
that whole leftist paradigm that we really exported all over the world. The DI was born here
and that whole idea, whether it was through USAID, or whether it was our popular culture,
it doesn't work in a consensual society, it just pits people against each other in a tribal fashion.
And it's a collectivism, everybody belongs to a collective, there's no individuality.
And I think the universities I work on a campus, and you should hear that Megan,
the professors off the record, off the record, they're all left wing. And they all say,
after we've got rid of the SAT, after George Floyd, I can't teach my classes. Because I have
to either reduce the workload, or I have to introduce new gut courses, or I have to do what
I did 80% A's. And that's the biggest problem right now at Yale, Harvard, 80% A's. And you say,
why are you doing that? And they say, privately, I don't want to be statistically accused of being a
racist. And when particular people don't get the grade that they like, and they show a pattern of
being into a particular group. And so it's affected everything, it's permeated the entire
society, but it didn't have the effect the architects wanted. It's creating a backlash.
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