Questions Raised on the Language in Nancy Guthrie Ransom Notes, w/ James Fitzgerald and John Kelly

I've told this story once before on the air, but I know somebody who was a psychiatrist at a prison hospital for years, very well-respected psychiatrist. And he told me years ago, there was a, you know, it's not the only test it was, but one of the tools they would use in figuring out whether a patient who was coming in, a prisoner, was a sociopath, no empathy whatsoever, was the following riddle. They would offer this riddle to all the prisoners, and the ones who were not sociopaths would have one kind of answer, and the ones who were sociopaths would all have a different answer, but the sociopaths would answer it the same way. Okay, and the riddle is, Guy goes to the funeral of a woman. While they're mourning the decedent, Guy makes eye contact with a woman who's there, who's also attending the funeral, and thinks that they had like a moment, like the two of them exchange a glance, it lingers for a couple of seconds, whatever. The funeral ends, everybody goes their separate ways. Two weeks later, Guy kills that woman's mother. Why? And the answer is anything, if you're normal. If you're a sociopath, you know it immediately, and they all have it instantly, and it is because he wanted to see her again. That's the way a sociopath thinks. And so to your point on the erotomania theory, Jim, if you can't have access to Savannah, but what you really want is contact of some sort with Savannah, why not this? This would be a great way of having Savannah think about you, and being in Savannah's life, and possibly even coming together with her physically in the future, like at a trial or something, in some way. They don't think the way we do, Fitz. Absolutely not. The brain, the synapses don't connect as they should, especially depending on the level of degree, and how many other examples. Savannah was probably not the first victim that this person obsessed over. And again, I worked in New York City in the 90s, and I was up at NBC about once a month, and the various, mostly female employees there, the on-air personnel, before you were in that area, Megan. But once a month, I was dealing with the head of security, hey, another letter, mostly then, back then letters, put a lead out to whatever city they came from, hey, you sent this strange letter to someone, so-and-so at NBC, do you really plan to hurt her or do anything? And as long as they got a confirmation, no, the guy had no prior record, he wasn't about to travel, they said, all right, no problem, you're good. But so yeah, and I'm hoping, and again, I said this back in February, Megan, I'm hoping the investigators are searching every single email Savannah ever received. She's the outlier to this kidnapping. Obviously, she brings the financial element to it, she's the one that could pay the bigger bucks, several million, 15, 20 million, whatever it is. And so that's a factor to consider, but she's also the on-air personality. There are plenty of wealthy people out there. And now we find out letter number one was addressed to her. Which I didn't know that back then either. So that is very interesting. And then they perhaps backed off. But again, it was never about getting money, never about any sort of financial benefit to this person. This was saying, I now have something of yours. And quite frankly, maybe the person did not plan for Nancy Guthrie to die. And it's very likely with her delicate condition, she did suffer an early death and an awful death because of this trauma. But nonetheless, he would have loved to sit around and talk to her for weeks at a time. What was Savannah like growing up? Can you draw some pictures for me? Whatever the fantasy life of this person would be. But that didn't happen. And I think this person then got rid of Nancy, probably not too far as the crow flies from that house, and then went deep and dark, and it just hasn't come up since. The other stuff, as I said- And isn't writing these notes. No, no. Here's an argument in favor of it is the guy writing the notes. I don't mean John necessarily porch man. Maybe he was working with somebody, I don't know. But here's an argument that the perpetrator is the one writing the notes. CBS News, I played to you their revelation that the first ransom note was addressed to your Savannah. What they didn't report weirdly in their on-air piece, but did report at cbs.com, their website, was that the note gave highly specific details about Guthrie's home, including that an Apple Watch, which we knew that he said where it was placed, but they reveal that the note revealed an Apple Watch with a white band was on the floor of her bedroom. Now, I don't know whether they made a mistake there, but that is the first I've seen that reported anywhere. And of course, all the news organizations were asked to withhold some details because, you know, if they get the the guy, they want to be able to test him with information that the public could never have accessed. But there it is. I mean, how else like if you're a fraudster trying to take advantage of this poor, suffering, suffering family to try to get them to send you four million bucks or six million if they wait till Monday, how would you know that there's an Apple Watch with a white band that was on the floor of her bedroom? That's now we're getting really specific. And maybe that's exactly what investigators found. That's not even the kind of thing like a maid two weeks earlier could attest to, you know, like that's you were there. You saw something the night of the crime, like I was starting to glean why they may believe these notes. These first two were authentic, John. Well, that's very possible. But, you know, if you also go to theory that somebody is really obsessed with Savannah and they're following this case, you know, from head to tail and they're following the news all the time because that's what they do. They obsess. They obsess with the news. They look for stories all over the place. As a matter of fact, the person that took Savannah or I'm sorry, that took Nancy, I'm sure will be looking at us today, too. But anyway, I just want to I just want to get back to that. I mean, so he could have picked that up from the news. Now, you're the first person that's bringing that out to me. I have not heard that before. And I think that is just CBS just posted it. That is really unbelievable on how that information could have gotten out. OK, because I'm going to talk in linguistics on I want Jim's feedback on this. Jim, we know these guys don't have feelings. Number one, lots of them, you know, these kidnappers, they would know feeling if they fell over. Right. So now this guy's talking about unintentional. He's talking about perished with nature. What did you ever hear of a hard guy, right? A psychopath. Oh, she perished with nature. Oh, it was unintentional. Yeah. They don't use like that. No, she's she's laying. So let him answer. I got it. Good. Yeah. And by the way, buried with nature that all of us will be buried with nature. We could be chopped up shallow grade, regular grade, a pond, a lake in the desert. We're going to be buried with nature. There's nothing to me unusual about that. And look, I also want to be something we should throw out here. I've had friends over the years, kind of for jokes, at least my friends, they go to see a psychic and it's fun to talk to them and maybe they get little tidbits. It's amazing what a well-trained, experienced psychic can come up with and tell you about yourself. They're very well skilled. And in that department, I'm not saying the person who did this with writing the notes is a psychic, but I'm saying I'd like to see the actual language. And it could be very much just generic and sort of suggestive of this. And maybe the investigators have, you know, a blinders on us. Oh, well, OK, the watch was kind of over there, but maybe they meant that it was here and they go in that regard. So we have to be careful. And we're also only getting sources. I'd love to see the notes, letters themselves that could help us. I know they won't release them. Megan, M-E-G-Y-N at MeganKelley.com, or just leave a comment below, but join the community by becoming a subscriber. We really, really value your input and your support. We may not always agree, but we are always going to talk about it and respect. No BS, no agenda, no fear. For the first time since World War Two, our national debt has exceeded the gross domestic product. 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