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In this episode the guys break down their brand new MAPS Upper Lower program — a classic four day bodybuilder split designed for people who want to shape, sculpt and build their body with more volume than a full body routine but without the intensity of programs like MAPS Esthetic. They cover why the upper lower split is one of their personal favorite ways to train, how the three phase structure prevents plateaus, why the final phase ends with a five by five strength focus, and why they built separate men's and women's versions with different priority lifts.
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0:00 - Introducing MAPS Upper Lower — what it is and who it's for 1:24 - Why the upper lower split produces great results and how it differs from full body 6:54 - Phase breakdown — rep schemes, set structures and why the program ends with five by five 14:12 - Why the final phase ends heavy instead of starting heavy like MAPS Anabolic 16:30 - Men's vs. women's versions — shoulder priority, glute priority and why they're different 18:02 - At home version and what equipment you need 19:03 - Live coaching with Cole and how it's increasing follow-through rates
Mind Pump has introduced MAPS Upper Lower, a four-day bodybuilding split designed to bridge the gap between beginner and advanced routines. This moderate-volume program focuses on sculpting the body through a balanced approach to muscle growth and recovery, offering customized versions for different genders and equipment availability to ensure accessibility and sustainable progress.
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It's a classic bodybuilder split.
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It's a four day split.
You're in the gym or working out at home four days a week,
upper, lower, day off, upper, lower.
That's how the split breaks down.
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but if you have a well-equipped home gym with a barbell
and squat rack,
then you can follow the program as well as it's laid out.
Comes with the men and women's version.
So the program is a little bit different.
Women like to focus more on glutes,
a little bit more on shoulder versus chest.
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All right, everybody, we have a brand new MAPS program.
It's MAPS Upper Lower.
This is a classic bodybuilder split.
A lot of you guys have been asking for this,
and we think this will fill the need.
It's a great program.
We're gonna talk all about it today,
and give you guys the breakdown
of what this program includes.
This is our first true four-day-a-week split program.
Yes, yes.
So the reason why we created this,
besides demand, right, people ask for certain things,
is we have great full-body muscle-building programs, right?
Like MAPS Anabolic, classic, you know,
muscle-building full-body routine, right?
Then we have like high-volume full-body
and high-volume splits.
We have MAPS Split, very high-volume.
MAPS Aesthetic, very high-volume.
Not appropriate for most people.
So a lot of people are like,
oh, I wanna do that program,
but it's just too much for most people.
It doesn't produce great results with them
because they just can't recover from it.
Now, if you're advanced, they're great programs.
But what we didn't have was
kind of a moderate bodybuilder split.
We have a good beginner bodybuilder split with PPL,
which we released relatively recently, right?
It was, what, a few months ago?
Yeah, this is a good follow-up to that.
And PPL's super popular.
It's a three-day bodybuilder split, push-pull legs.
And so this is like a little bit of another step, right?
It's an additional day a week,
a little bit more volume,
but still in the same vein
of that kind of bodybuilder split type routine.
So if you like routines
that are kind of bodybuilder-focused,
where you can shape, sculpt the body,
and you want more volume than three days a week,
but you don't want the crazy volume of,
let's say, split or aesthetic,
this is a great in the middle.
Well, this would be, to Justin's point,
this would be a great follow-up to PPL.
And we did just release that not long ago.
So hopefully people that are finishing up with that,
if you really like PPL, this is a great follow-up.
Keep it going, keep that momentum going.
I think this would be a great program
to follow right afterwards.
Yeah, and this is a split.
I've done this type of split many, many times.
This is actually one of my favorite ways to train.
Same here.
So I like, PPL is always just classic, right?
Push-pull legs, very, very classic,
kind of first-time split.
This upper-lower was one of my favorites.
I did do the single-body part splits at one point,
but they never produced the same kind of results,
as like this kind of upper-lower
allows me to kind of hit the body twice a week,
but breaking it up into the upper and lower body.
And four days a week allows you three days of recovery.
And I always got really great results
with routines like this.
Yeah, I'd say I started off my journey
in the bodybuilder, one muscle group per workout
type of a split.
Then realized how valuable the full-body routine was.
And then I'd say this is kind of where I landed,
like afterwards.
I run more of a MAP-15 type of protocol these days.
But for, I'd say, the beginning of mind-pump
and a lot of what my training looks like now,
if I run some sort of a split, it would look upper-lower.
I find I need a little extra oomph for leg day.
And so it gives me that kind of break to toggle.
I feel like I can get up and do upper any time,
doesn't gas me as much.
Legs take a lot out of me, deadlifting and squatting
and lunging and doing movements like that.
And so I feel like I can get after it in that day
and then I have a day of rest or a day of upper body
where it's much easier for me to motivate myself
to get there.
I find that easier and so I like this a lot.
Yeah, I like, so full-body routines are great.
They work for most people.
But when you're progressing and you're applying
progressive overload, which can look like more weight
on the bar or more reps or more volume.
So a lot of people don't know that or don't realize
that progressive overload also applies to more volume.
When appropriate, adding another set is one way
of getting the muscles to grow.
And the data shows this clearly.
The three ways that I listed are the main ways
that you'll see in the data that signal or trigger
or cause hypertrophy, muscle growth.
And what happens with a full-body split
once you start to progress is adding more volume
to the routine can get a bit tedious.
If you're training the whole body in a workout,
it could very easily turn into an hour and a half,
you know, two-hour workout.
Yeah.
Especially if you're resting.
Yeah, you can get long.
Especially if you're resting two or three minutes
in between sets, you know, to maximize strength gains.
And so when that happens, it makes sense
to split the body up into upper and lower.
So now you can do more volume and the workout's taking you,
you know, 45 minutes to an hour and 10 minutes
versus, you know, an hour and a half to two hours.
Well, I think too, that's a lot of the appeal
is like you can really emphasize certain body parts
and muscles and really stay there, you know,
and like really, especially legs and really build
and develop that strength in legs.
I have to devote a whole day to that sometimes.
That's super beneficial.
I train a lot of clients on this too.
So I had a lot of clients that wanted to come to the gym
more than just three days a week.
And so I found what it looked like was a lot of times
I trained upper and a lower with them
and then they trained them, they repeated those.
Yeah, the really advanced ones.
And so I did do a lot of clients with upper lower.
So this is, I like that we wrote this
because I know we hadn't written anything like this yet.
It is a tool, it is a programming that I utilize myself
a lot and I did use with clients a lot.
So if you like going to the gym four days a week
and it's a little bit less taxing to your point
than the full body, I love this split.
It also puts you in the gym an extra day a week
over a full body routine.
And for me personally, and this doesn't have a lot of
backing in terms of what it can produce
in terms of results, but in terms of feel,
it feels pretty awesome to do an upper body day,
to feel a pump in your entire upper body.
Yeah, you're going to really get a good pump this way.
Yeah, chest and back and delts and arms
all feel really pumped.
And for those people who want to develop their lower body
to feel the entire lower body.
That's another great point that I feel like
this is why I like this too
is still the body builder in me likes the pump feeling.
And I don't get that with the full body routine
the same way.
Full body is you're hitting so much of everything
and you're only doing so many sets for each muscle group
that I don't feel like I get as much of a pump
where when I just split the body in half
from all upper body or all lower body,
I definitely walk out with a pump in the lower body
or the upper body.
And so I still do like and enjoy it.
Now I want to talk a little bit about the breakdown
of how the program is phased.
So all MAPS programs, if you follow any MAPS program,
you'll notice that they're all broken up into phases.
Meaning these are kind of mini cycles
within the whole program.
So the whole program, you know, maybe let's say nine weeks
or 12 weeks, depending on the program that you get.
But the program itself is broken up
into kind of mini programs.
Now they're not mini programs in the sense
that they're radically different,
but rather the rep scheme and the sets can change
and the exercises can change a bit
with the same ultimate focus.
So the ultimate focus of upper lower, MAPS upper lower
is to shape, sculpt and build the body.
It's definitely a bodybuilding routine.
So it's not a powerlifting routine.
It's not one for athletic performance.
It's for building the body and shaping and sculpt
like a bodybuilder would.
And so that's the ultimate focus of the program,
but it's broken up into three different phases.
And each phase is a little bit different.
And each phase, the reason why we phase programs
is because it helps prevent plateaus.
The body starts to adapt to a particular style
or rep scheme of training and shifting out of that
while maintaining focus on the ultimate goal,
which in this case is kind of that bodybuilding,
shape and sculpt focus,
helps prevent things like nagging injuries,
keeps things fresh and exciting,
but it also helps prevent plateaus.
The body tends to progress better
when we start to mix with things
or mess with things every few weeks.
And so this program, like other MAPS programs,
has three phases.
And I want to discuss a little bit of the breakdown
of each of these phases.
Before you get into that, I think it's important to,
we haven't talked about this in a while
since you brought up the whole phasing in three weeks.
You have to talk a little bit about why three weeks,
because especially for any of our peers
or research nuts around the body adapting
and what most of the studies show for like that
and why three weeks, why not four to six,
which is what a lot of studies will show.
So I think that's important to explain the logic to that
because this is something admittedly I got from you
that is different than how I originally programmed myself.
And I remember when you first explained it to me,
the logic behind it makes a lot of sense
why you would do that, even though traditionally,
when I would program for myself,
a lot of stuff looks like a four to six week type of phase
versus a three week phase.
No, it's a good question.
So this is more, this applies more to the programming
and not necessarily to exercises.
Sometimes people confuse the two.
So like, okay, barbell squats, you know, like the big three
or like the big compound lifts
or the main moving type of lifts.
I thought I was supposed to do those all the time.
Does that mean I stopped doing them after three weeks
and switched to something completely different?
No, it's very important that you continue to practice
continually the main lifts.
And of course you inject in auxiliary lifts
or you alternate kind of how you apply them
or variations of them so you avoid injury,
but those stay very consistent.
But what does change are things like rep ranges
and maybe set schemes do change.
And the reason why you change them every three weeks
is because what we want to avoid is a plateau.
We want to change before the body plateaus.
It's much easier to do that than hit a plateau,
try to back out and then try to get the body to move again.
And what you tend to see is that plateaus tend to kick in
around week five or six, maybe higher.
And every three weeks, you just kind of avoid that.
And the body tends to progress a little bit better that way.
And so then the follow-up question to that
for some people might be that,
well, then why not change it every single day
or every single week then?
Too quickly.
Yeah, good question.
Too quickly because you want a period of time
to get your body to acclimate and then to get the results
from that particular rep range, for example.
So if I change it up so often that my body's
never really getting used to it
so that I can really push intensity,
drive the weight, whatever, then I'm also missing the gains.
So it's a bit of a balance.
Yeah, you want it to be measurable at the end of the day,
too, to be able to see and point back
like I was making progress.
And then you want to adjust it
so you can keep making progress.
So that's sort of the sweet spot.
Totally.
And so here's how it's kind of broken down.
So it's a four-day split, and we recommend
it's two days in a row, one day off,
two days in a row, two days off.
So during the week, it may look something like
Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, okay?
So you're hitting upper, lower, a day off,
upper, lower again, two days off, start the week again,
and you're ready to go.
And so typically what you see is week over week,
you'll see progress, whereas the second workout in the week,
not so much, not as much rest.
But we're sending that signal.
Boom, two days rest, you come back,
you get really good, you start to see this progress.
As far as the set and rep ranges,
I'll go over what they are, and we kind of talk about
why they are the way they are.
The first phase is typically exercises
are about three sets each.
Depending on the exercise, it can be as little as two.
And we're going eight to 10 reps.
Eight to 10 reps is a good rep range,
nice, moderate rep range.
It's not super heavy, not super light.
Great for muscle building.
Then we get into phase two.
We don't change it a lot, but we do up the reps
to 10 to 12.
Now remember, this is a bodybuilding routine,
so we are gonna keep the reps a little bit higher.
So phase two, 10 to 12.
Then we get to phase three, and here's where it gets fun.
Now it's five sets of five.
Now it's five by five.
Someone may be wondering, why do five by five at the end
and not at the beginning?
For example, MAPS Anabolic, one of our flagship programs,
starts with a heavy, low rep phase,
and then ends with a higher rep phase.
Now there was a strategy for that.
The strategy was to show people strength gains
right out the gates.
Okay, that's just full disclosure, okay?
Now there is a downside to it, which is this.
When you're following a program,
there is something known as cumulative stress
that builds up over time.
One of the downsides of going heavy, low rep,
then moderate, then high rep, is that cumulative stress
builds, builds, builds, builds, builds.
With this program, MAPS Upper Lower,
the cumulative stress actually reduces a little bit
because low reps don't have the same effect on the body
when it comes to recovery.
So you'll actually hit the end of this program
hitting PRs and feeling really, really strong.
I also like training this way personally for myself
because I don't need to convince myself
the benefits that come from strength training
and five by five building.
I think this program attracts somebody who's,
I wouldn't say, you don't have to be an advanced lifter
to this, but you're not a brand new novice lifter.
And Anabolic was designed, that's why I loved
when you did that, I saw what you were doing
when we've talked about this,
when we talked about it when we relaunched Anabolic,
that you're trying to show the average client,
which was for us, mostly women,
but we had a lot of female clients,
total results and get them bought in
to the programming right away.
And so showing them a five by five in the first phase
was a brilliant way to do that.
Now, when I think of somebody who's already bought in,
knows that strength training,
I like training with a higher rep first.
And a lot of that is getting in the rhythm,
getting the technique, getting the pump,
getting my body, yeah, a lot of practice into it.
And then working up to, okay, I'm feeling good,
I'm in a rhythm, now let's really load
and see what I get out of it.
I personally like to train this way.
Yeah, same here.
So this is, again, this is like a moderate
to advanced amount of volume and training
for the average person.
So you're not like a competitive bodybuilder
and you've advanced beyond like a PPL type of volume.
Now you're doing this four day split and doing this.
We also did something with this program
that we had only done with one or two of the programs before
and it was super popular, which is this.
We altered the programming a bit for both men and women.
And here's why.
Here's what we found.
And we discovered this when we wrote MAPS Muscle Mommy.
Men and women respond the same to strength training,
be very clear, okay?
Strength training application is the same
for men and women.
There's no different exercise or different way of training.
You both build muscle the same way,
burn body fat the same way.
And it used to annoy us when people would tell us,
create a program just for women
or create a program just for men.
And we just kind of put it off, put it off, put it off.
Like that's dumb.
Everybody trains the same way.
It all works the same.
But then this occurred to us.
Women and men tend to have different parts of the body
that they prefer to focus on,
that they want to develop more or less of.
And this is true for both men and for women.
For example, in training the upper body,
women tend to want more shoulder development
than chest development.
It's just very common when a woman trains.
Lower body, women are more interested in glutes
than guys are, than quads.
Guys are a little bit more interested
in I want to get a heavy squat.
I think I want more quad development.
And so those are just two examples
of how we kind of change the programming.
So for example, what you'll find in the women's version
is on upper body day,
traditionally what you'll find in bodybuilding routines
is if you're training the whole upper body,
chest goes before shoulders.
This is a very classic programming, okay?
Very classic standard muscle building programming.
It's like you go chest before shoulders.
Why?
Because your chest pressing movements involve the shoulders.
Why fatigue the shoulders?
You take away strength from the chest.
Not a good idea.
However, it is a good idea
if you're more interested in developing your delts
than you are developing your pecs.
And so in the women's programming,
you see this priority in the programming.
You also see this with the lower body.
Typically you wouldn't do heavy,
you wouldn't place any heavy emphasis on heavy hip thrusts
over things like a squat or a front squat
or something like that.
But you would if glutes are really important.
Same thing with hamstrings.
Hamstrings tend to be of more value to women than quads.
And so what we did in this program
is we have a men's version and a women's version
where the programming is just slightly different
based off of what men and women are interested in
in terms of how they look and what they want to develop.
It only took us 10 years to find that.
I just showed you how stubborn we are because I think-
We're trainers.
Well, yeah, to your point that early on
when we would hear that there's a program for women,
a program for men,
I know we used to get really frustrated and scoff at that
because it's like, to your point,
I trained all my female clients
on all the movements that I train male clients on.
The same rules apply.
Yeah, and the same rules apply for building muscle
and burning body fat.
But there is something to be said
about that my female clients
did tend to like different focuses.
And so I absolutely would do different things.
Yeah, I would do different things
and I would prioritize certain things in the workouts
specific to an individualized feature.
Now I do that individualized for every individual client,
but there are some general things
that my female clients tend to like more
or want to focus on more.
And there tend to be stuff that my guys were.
And so that's the modification, the tweak here.
There's not huge radical differences when you look at it.
There's adjustments to it.
Body part emphasis.
Yeah, they're very, very similar programs.
There is just a little bit of a twist on,
okay, if I was taking a female through this,
here's the areas.
If she would want different,
this is probably where it would be.
Yeah, and we've also learned over the years too
to include the at-home version as people,
although this program definitely
is going to appeal more towards people
that are in a commercial type setting gym
and somewhere in that regard.
But we've made sure to put in there a blueprint at home
just so that way you have that kind of convenience
kind of built in.
And so we've tried to kind of go back
and really do that with all of our programs going forward.
Yeah, so this program, like what Justin's saying,
so if you have a basic home gym,
first of all, if you have a full home gym,
you do the full program, okay?
You know, barbell, squat rack, the whole deal.
But if you just have dumbbells and a bench,
you can also follow Maps Up or Lower
because we have blueprints where the program
is written in a way to where that's all you need.
So this is very at-home friendly as well,
even if you don't have a full gym.
Now it comes with, like all of our Maps programs,
workout videos and exercise demos, okay?
So you go on the program, you see an exercise,
like a dumbbell pullover, you can click on it.
Boom, there's a demonstration of how to do the exercise.
It also comes with coaching videos where we get on there
and we talk to you about technique and form
and frequently asked questions that people ask
when following a program like this.
And this is something new that we've added
for the last two new programs that we've released
that is really popular, really helpful.
When you sign up for Maps Up or Lower,
you also get live coaching with one of our trainers, Cole.
And Cole is one of our top trainers.
And he gets on a Zoom with people who signed up
and he really helps people with elements
that are not found in the program.
Yeah, he covers a lot of questions
that people typically have
when they're kicking the program off.
A lot of it's related to diet and intensity
and choosing weight and all the questions
that you could think about that you might be uncertain of
when you get started on this program,
even if you've listened to the podcast for a long time.
And so having him help guide those people
and kick them off on their program
is we've had tremendous feedback.
And so it's something that we've only been doing now
for what, maybe six months or so.
And it's worked out really well.
People are more consistent, getting better results
because they get some coaching.
And so that would start right away too.
So the audience knows this was the desired outcome
or the purpose behind this is one of the things
that we can see is not only can we see obviously
every individual that purchase is a program,
but we can actually see how often they open
or have logged into something.
And one of the things that can be discouraging,
and we know this from personal training for so many years
that a lot of people sign up to the gym
or have great intentions.
And then the follow through, the fall off
is typically more than half of the people
don't follow through.
And so we see that same type of pattern
in the MAPS programs.
And so like a big focus for us this year was like,
okay, what can we do to help ensure people
follow through these MAPS programs and have more success?
And that was helping them with a coaching call
to get started.
And we've already seen an increase in the frequency
of how many people are actually logging
into their MAPS programs and doing it.
And so it's been a huge success
and probably something we'll do going forward.
Totally, and because it's a brand new program,
it's 40% off.
You get it for 40% off lifetime access.
So if you're interested, here's how you sign up.
You go to mapsupperlower.com, use the code launch.
That gets you the 40% off and the live coaching.
With Cole, we hope to see you soon.
You can also find us on Instagram, it's mindpumpmedia.
All right, I know you liked that episode.
If you did, check this one out.
So let's say you decide to do 100 squats every single day.
What happens to your body?
Some pretty cool stuff.
Ooh, talk about this.
You get stronger.
If somebody, thanks, you give away the first one for sure.
Actually, a lot of people, it sounds obvious,
but then you have a lot of people like,
well, you can't do that every day type of deal.
You have to do them the right way, right?
I think 100 squats all at once is probably not a good idea,
but spread out throughout the entire day,
you for sure will get stronger.
Oh, you can easily over-train.