In this episode of the Shawn Ryan Show, Danny Goler, independent researcher and founder of Code of Reality, joins Shawn to discuss his controversial research into DMT, consciousness, and what he describes as a repeatable “laser code” phenomenon. Goler explains how his experiences with DMT led him to investigate whether altered states may reveal hidden layers of reality, including symbolic structures, questions around simulation theory, computation, spirituality, angels and demons, and the relationship between mind, matter, and physics. Viewers can expect a wide-ranging conversation on psychedelic research, cognitive physics, the nature of consciousness, and whether DMT may offer evidence of realities beyond ordinary perception.
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Danny Goeller, founder of Code of Reality, discusses his experiences with DMT and the concept of \"cognitive physics.\" He argues that DMT experiences are not mere hallucinations but interactions with a computationally rendered alternate dimension, suggesting that our physical reality is a simulation governed by computational laws rather than traditional physics.
So I had Chase Hughes on and he brought up this laser DMT kind of experiment.
Really caught my attention.
Right where the laser is, you can see through the wall.
You can even put it on your arm and the code changes on your arm.
If your arm gets in front of where the wall is, the code is completely different.
Are you sh...
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Hi, my name is Danny Goeller and you can watch my episode early on Vigilance Elite Patreon.
Danny Goeller, you're an independent researcher and the founder of Code of Reality,
an interdisciplinary initiative exploring what you call cognitive physics,
the intersection where mind and matter meet.
Through Code of Reality, you bring together scientists, philosophers, technologists,
and indigenous wisdom keepers to investigate the relationship between consciousness
and the nature of reality.
Ultimately, your goal is to advance a more holistic science of consciousness,
one that can exist alongside and complement mainstream physics.
How did you get introduced to DMT?
I was looking for it.
It was a Joe Rogan rant and he was just raving about it.
And I was like, what is that?
There's a realm accessible to anybody that gets in contact with that stuff.
Our mutual friend texted me right away.
He's like, holy sh...
You know Danny?
And I was like, no, I don't.
And he's like, you got to meet him.
I've done so many psychedelics.
I've never heard of DMT.
I had to find out.
There was a line that Joe said that grabbed my attention beyond anything.
He said, it doesn't feel like you're in another dimension.
You are in another dimension.
And I knew exactly what he meant by that.
I was like, okay, I got to find out whatever that is.
And sure enough, it delivered on every front.
To anybody who doesn't know, DMT stands for dimethyltryptamine.
You're not changing.
The world is.
Completely.
In such ways that really begs the question whether what you're seeing is a hallucination
or actually coming from somewhere.
The realism of it is not something you're familiar with.
That is why it captivates so many people's imagination around the world,
including scientists who are now studying the substance
under the question of whether it's actually real.
On DMT, you could shine a red laser on a wall and you'll see code.
And then you can look through the laser through different angles and see more code.
And as you move the laser, it moves on to different code.
It's there, but it's not there.
And you've had, I think, over 2000 people witness the same thing.
At this point, it's thousands.
Most psychedelic research revolves around the question of therapy.
Can you get over addiction, PTSD, things like this.
But DMT specifically and NDMT is being studied through the lens of,
wait a second, are we interacting with an actual place?
We're talking about another dimension, an alternate reality,
random code that's showing up on the wall if you shine a laser on it.
If you peer through it at different angles, you'll see different code, correct?
My experience of the space and everything that was happening to me,
even before I arrived at the code,
they, whomever you want to believe they are, started showing me more things.
So they basically started giving me hints that I didn't expect.
This is straight up a computational world.
Like we're simulated basically.
Does this mean it's meaningless?
It's not what it means.
It's just computationally rendered.
It means that the rules by which the laws of physics are being rendered
are computational first.
And then they become what we see as the physical laws.
There is a big difference between thinking it theoretically
and being exposed to it in real time.
Because that definitely takes a different emotional toll.
But for all intents and purposes, the fact that we,
you know, what have we been told that we live in a simulation,
doesn't make us fake.
It just means that the rules by which our world is rendered
are different than what we thought.
But it's actually happening for real.
My take is that this is part of our, the actual disclosure.
They're waiting for you to come along to the understanding that you're not alone,
that there's way more than this,
that you're part of a much larger structure.
And all of these things are slowly revealing themselves to us
in such a way that makes us comfortable with it.
Just imagine what it would be like to all of a sudden, this happened to you.
Like it was just a being that appeared in front of me as real as you
and nothing else is happening.
There's no like psychedelic explosion, none of that.
I mean, at that moment, I just, I was like, I really did it this time.
And then he showed me how to play chords on a guitar
that I didn't know how to do.
So essentially he was telling me,
I'm real because I'm giving you information you don't have.
Currently, you don't know how to play these chords.
I'm telling you how to do that.
In that moment, I knew that nothing will ever be the same again,
because I knew that even though I can't really prove this to anyone right now,
for me, I know for a fact that this is not a hallucination.
It can't be.
It's so specific.
It's so realistic.
And he's giving me information that I don't have.
Now the journey became, how do I prove this to others?
How do we talk about this in a way that science can actually get its hands on?
Because science deals with things that are measurable and repeatable.
So then for years, I spent trying to figure out how that can be done.