Key Question of Whether Lance Twiggs Could Be CHARGED as Co-Conspirator, with Geragos and Murphy

Let's talk about Lance Twiggs. That Turkey Tom report, which we've been looking into for the better part of six months on our team, running it by the FBI, we've actually done a deep dive on that report. It hasn't fallen apart. It's been repeated by some others. It hasn't gone far and wide because the original source behind it refuses to come forward and identify him or herself. But it does paint a picture, Matt, I mean, literally with pictures of their alleged apartment of like a dark, destructive, sick home in which Tyler Robinson for at least some large portion of the final year was OK, was like holding it together while this roommate was on a trans spiral into the depths of inhumanity. And it does make you wonder what happened. And but it also makes me much more inclined to believe he probably did know more than he's letting on. And now we've heard his DNA is on the towel that was used to wrap the gun. OK, it's from their home. Maybe he just touched the towel. I get it. Also, the screwdriver that they found on the roof that the prosecution says was used to assemble the gun by Tyler Robinson. I mean, maybe he touched the screwdriver and making all those crazy, crazy concoctions on that table. I don't know. But he also was the one corresponding with Tyler in those text messages that sound somewhat manufactured. It was not you, was it, Tyler? It was I, my love. I'm overdoing it. But this is why a lot of people think that it's a Fed behind this whole thing or it's it's a country or somebody's manufacturing these, whereas it could be a real or be the two of them doing this little cosplaying act to keep Lance twigs out of the Fed's crosshairs when Tyler knew he'd either be dead or arrested, as his own note says. Anyway, what do you make of it all? Well, the description of the house reminded me of the place I lived in law school. But look, there's an old adage crimes and held an evangelist as witnesses. OK, we see this all the time when you get a gang case like the your witnesses are often little gangsters or if you have a crime in jail, you always have criminals that are your witnesses. The question is, is he telling the truth? And the other thing is, the way I see it, and I'd love Mark's thoughts on this. I think all they have to do with Lance twigs is lay the foundation, right, Mark? You got a note written by by Tyler Robinson, which is incriminating as the one found under the computer keyboard and the text messages. All you really need him for is to talk about that. I'm curious to see what else he said. But there's a there's also a love affair here. And this goes to motive by Tyler Robinson, that he's somehow defending the honor of his love, which is how he refers to Lance twigs. So, you know, the furry world is weird. The idea that Lance is weird kind of fits perfectly in my mind that this is going to be Tyler Robinson's gone off the deep end. He's decided that he's going to embrace the trans community and and whatever. But then going and committing a murder, you know, as a result of it, it all kind of it fits in a way. So that's my take. What does it mean that Lance is getting use immunity, Matt, instead of getting charged getting used? He has to make and they have to give him use. And especially I think when they go through that. Yeah. So there's two kinds of immunity. There's there's immunity, immunity or what's known as transactional immunity. That's like, you know, you confess to everything you did and you received complete legal absolution. Those are actually very rare. I only did that twice in my entire career. The other is what's known as use immunity. That's also known in the federal federal world as queen for a day where you sit down and they immunize you against the statements that you make in that interview and the derivative of that. But if independent evidence arises outside of your interview or what they learn or are able to glean from it and in further investigation, anything else separate, they can still prosecute you for that. So in other words, you're you're given sort of carte blanche to to talk about what happened. And then they agree not to prosecute you based on those sentences or those statements, if that makes sense. So that's the common way it's done. And they have to do that. Otherwise he would have a fifth member right against testifying when the trial comes around or even at the prelim. If he didn't have it, he'd expose himself. That's right. He has to do it. He's going to he has a right to counsel. They have to immunize him so that he can so that he can participate in these. Do they have a right to cross examine, Matt? Yes. Ultimately, they certainly do. But but you you hit the nail on the head on that one, Megan. The there is there's no right to cross examine somebody at a preliminary hearing. Hearsay is admissible in Utah, just like it is in California. That's been appealed to the umpteenth that's gone to the US Supreme Court. It's OK. So why are you saying otherwise, Mark? Because in California, as Matt will tell you, when you do a hearsay prelim, we call it a 115 prelim that was based on the proposition. The only way the California Supreme Court said that that still withstood constitutional scrutiny is there had to be a corresponding section, which there is in California called 866, which allows the defense to make a proffer to say, I want to either cross examine the declarant, the hearsay declare. And here's why, because there's exculpatory evidence that I can show on cross examination or I want to call. Well, we're not in California anymore. Thanks for watching this clip. If you're new here, subscribe. We got a whole lot more goodness where that came from. Would love to hear your feedback. 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