ITS ALL LIES

The roommate of the alleged assassin of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, is getting immunity in order to testify. We're learning now that there's major DNA evidence, Tyler Robinson's DNA, allegedly on key evidence as roommate's testimony looms. However, it is being disputed by the defense. So what I will say is it does seem like many of the conspiracy theories are beginning to fall apart as we get access to the actual video footage, the evidence that is available. And dare I say, I seek now today to join you all and push back on the insanity and the and the lies that have been propped up endlessly, notably with the latest conspiracy theory going around that Ben Shapiro now did it. I mean, I'm just I'm just done with this. What is the purpose in which these people are lying? I'm going to break down for you the inner secrets, the background, the background details that that day when Charlie Kirk was killed. I'll tell you exactly where I was, exactly what happened, how it went down. And I'm and you know what? You don't but you don't want to believe it. Don't have to believe it. I'm just done with this. Guys, there are people on the Internet and they strive to just lie to you, to make money, to grift because they want the clicks. They want the views. You may have noticed I have been out since just before the 4th of July, went and hung out with family for the 4th of July. But we did pre record for, you know, IRL because we want to make sure we're not. I worked throughout the weekend. I worked over the weekend to get the job done because I don't like missing work this week. I had the privilege of playing at the World Series of Poker, several tournaments, and I didn't make it. I didn't make it. I did better. I made it further than some people. And so I said, guys, you know, this week I'm doing work. I'm having business meetings. It's summer. It's a low period. This is when we want to get this work done. And I said, no, no, no, I'm coming back in out of my way. I was going to be taking the work off for other business, other promo. But I see these lies online about, particularly now with Ben Shapiro posted by Candace Owens, and being repeated by people who know better, who know better. And so I'm going to break down for you the truth in how all of this works. And again, believe what you want to believe. That's fine. But I'm going to tell you the truth, okay? So the first updates that we have right now, the news that I give you is that we're breaking. We are learning more and more about what happened on that fateful day. We now have more video of Tyler Robinson. So the prosecution says, you know, I say allegedly because we're not, we haven't concluded the case. He's walking downstairs. He's got this strange walk as though there's something in his pants, which has been alleged. There are a bunch of things that have been made up, alleged. They say he took the gun apart, but how did he put it back together? Or why was it put back together? And it's like, here's my understanding, okay? They say that he put the gun together because he just screwed it in. And then you can see in the video that was released a long time ago, him running off the roof. Now again, I'm going to let the evidence play out in court. And a lot of these theories have already been debunked because, I'll say this, this is why the, you know, Eric Kirk and Charlie's friends and family, they wanted the trial to be public. People kept saying, well, just release the evidence and prove it. And the problem is, of course, that compromises the trial. So you can't. But now that we're here, we are getting this information. So let me show you where we are currently at with the worst of all of it. And we'll start with this post from Candace Owens, who I think is just, guys, this is just a bridge too far. And it's just every single day it's worse. I don't want to bore you with social drama, politics stuff that's in the periphery of these things. But I do have a lot to talk about in this regard. I'm going to save it for the end, because I've been having some meetings. I've been talking with a lot of people. Before we jump into this, make sure you join us at TimCast.com, guys. We can't do this without you. Look, let me put it like this. You say, Tim, where were you all week? Some people are tweeting, get back to work. Guys, I've been working. And I know, you know, I played in the World Series. The goal of all of this is outside promo, outside of politics. What can I do to build up the work that we do, the website we have, the offerings we have, when politics is down? And this is an opportunity. And don't get me wrong, I love it. I'm passionate. So I had a lot of fun playing in the World Series of poker. I actually did decently well, all things considered. I think I could have done better. I don't think I'm the best, but I had fun. And I'm out here trying to have meetings. We're setting up plans. We've got contract negotiations coming up. I'm busting my ass. We can't do it without you. So I came back in today because someone asked me, I was talking to this poker pro, he retired. And I said, why retire? You're one of the biggest names. And he's like, hey, are you going to keep doing, do you want to keep doing this job forever? And I said, it's not a job, it's a compulsion. And so here I am last night telling the boys, guys, I want to take this opportunity this week while we're out here. There's a lot of big companies, there's ESPN, there's WSOP, there's companies in the periphery, potential sponsorships. I'm going to try and do some other work in other areas I don't normally get to do because I'm always in the studio. And then I wake up and I see this and I'm just like, okay. I was like, prep the studio, I'm coming in. So if you believe in the work that we do, join us at TimCast.com, get in the Discord server, hang out with like-minded individuals. You don't have to think I'm right about everything. You don't have to like my opinions. In fact, I prefer it if you challenge my opinions. And we often have these arguments and debates with our own Discord community because what I care about is logic, reason, pragmatism, what makes the most sense. And I can't stand, you guys, it really, really grinds my gears that there are so many people who just want to live in the drama fantasy land. I wish things were so simple, but if you want to support the work, TimCast.com, be a member, stand with us and argue with us. We have a good time. Candace Owens posts this. Actually, you know what? I'm gonna do what Ian calls information vaccination. And I'm gonna play a clip for you of Ben Shapiro that I hope the audio is all synced properly. So I remember where I was when all this was happening. I was in Los Angeles. I had sort of a breakfast slash lunch meeting with somebody. And I got the news that Charlie had been shot. And my security was on the phone with Charlie's security because nobody knew what the hell was going on. Well, Charlie was still in the back of the car and we were sort of getting updates along the way. At 2.40 p.m. So what did Ben just say? What did he just say? He was in L.A. when Charlie got shot. He's still in the back of the car. He's getting his security teams on the phone with Charlie's security team. OK, so the first thing I'm going to do and what information vaccination is, as Ian describes it, is if you know Ian is provide the truth first so that when you show the lie, I understand what they're doing. The way Ian described it is that his parents would see these lies about Trump. And then when he would go and be like, hey, no, here's what really happened. They'd be like, no, because I already saw this. So before you get a bias, before the well is poisoned, I want you to hear what Ben actually said. And many of you may be familiar with what Candace, her tweet was or whatever. But for those that weren't, he's getting updates from Charlie's security team. What does that mean? I'll tell you. I have a security team. I have several security people with me all the time. For many of you who saw me at the World Series of Poker, we're in a bunch of casinos. You may have noticed the dudes with body armor that walk around. Well, you know, I shouldn't I shouldn't say like that, but you can't really notice it's like light armor, right? But I've got two security guys, as well as a couple of friends that are just hanging out. And I'll tell you a secret. The reason why celebrities have posses, you ever see a celebrity walk around a bunch of people? It's not always just because they have a posse. They want to have their friends hang out with them. They want to go buy a bunch of things and hang out with their buddies. No, it's because it's security. It's not that I'm hiring. It's like I got security guards, but my friends come out and hang out with me all the time to get my back because they know it's like, hey, man, you know. So that's why you see the lot. So here's what happens. I have a security company. We got a And I won't go into great detail about security measures, but only because someone on Timcast IRL said I saw a guy walking around with a rifle. I'm like, yeah, you get it. The head of our security company knows the head of security for all these many of these other companies, particularly the ones that are used by Daily Wire. And I believe Daily Wire may use the same company as Turning Point USA. There's only a handful of major security companies, and most people on the right use the same ones. So what does that mean? It means that there's a strong probability, though I don't know for sure, but it was my understanding, and I could be wrong about this, that Daily Wire used either the same or an affiliate company that Turning Point used, which would mean, again, I could be wrong about this. My understanding was that with the same security company or at least affiliates, because they all know each other anyway, the guys who do security often contract between companies, that when something happens to Charlie, it's the same company relaying information to itself. But the company has security guards that work for Ben and work for Charlie. So when he says his security team is talking to my security team, that may be the exact same company. It could literally just mean employees talking to each other saying, hey, guys, here's what's going down right now. Now, here's what Candace said. Ben Shapiro just confessed on his show that while Charlie was being transported to the hospital and bleeding out to death, his security was on the phone with Charlie's security receiving updates. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. What does that mean? What does that mean? My team was as well. People who work for Timcast were getting updates all the same. I get ragged on by the left because they're psychotic evil people because I tweeted that Charlie was reportedly stable because the information that we got was immediately following him getting shot in the neck. When I saw that video, I said, there's no way. There's no way. Here's the thing. It's called the fog of war. The immediate aftermath of Charlie getting shot. This is so brutal to remember that day. The immediate aftermath of this was that they're putting pressure on his neck and they're dragging his body to the car. What I was told was that he still had a pulse. Someone from their security team said, look, guys, what a brutal day, man. It's so hard. I can't stand these people. This is what kills politics. This is what kills the space. This is what kills the passion. Candace is evil. She doesn't care, and the rest of us will suffer because of it. The passion and drive that keep us connected in politics help us make the world better. It's not just her. There's others, and I'm going to call them out too, that are burning that down. I meet people every day saying, I can't watch this stuff anymore because this is what it's devolving into. There are psychopaths that are led astray like the disgusting Pied Piper. She is leading them off into the ocean or to get whacked with hammers. Anyway, here's what happens. Here's the likely scenario. I can tell you what happened with us. Charlie's got security. He gets shot. The information that we receive is that he's stable. I say, can I report that? In hindsight, hindsight being 2020, when you're told Charlie is stable, that's big news, but there's fog of war. I was wrong. My source of information was wrong. I think at the time what they meant to say was that he's not dead. He had a pulse, and he wasn't fading. He's critical, but stable, right? Not that he was coming back, but that he had been shot in the neck, and they put pressure on the wound, and he still had a pulse. Now I know in hindsight, we know exactly the full details after the fact, and the story comes a little bit clearer, and some of the early on details were no good. Security for Charlie isn't 10 guys standing there all holding their hands on his neck. Two of the people will be looking around. One guy in the car is probably sitting shotgun making phone calls because information saves lives. Why was it that Ben Shapiro's security team got information? My assumption is that same contractors, potentially same company, and security is just relaying information to other security. That's it. My security team got updates as well. The head of my security company knows the head of Charlie's security company, and I was on the phone with both of them a few weeks later discussing a lot of what had been going on. Candace says he confessed. Someone explained to me why during the minutes while Charlie was dying in the back of a car, Charlie's security team was providing updates to Ben Shapiro's team rather than focus entirely on saving Charlie's life and finding the killer, because there were a handful of people fighting for Charlie's life, and there's probably a guy who works on the security team who was relaying the information of what was going on to other security agents. If somebody was going to be killing conservatives, I think informing other prominent right-wing individuals and their security teams of what was going on would be particularly prudent. I will remind you all that Brian Harpole, who was Candace's security guy, by the way, who did security for Candace, and she lies about it, one of the security members who was in that car and went to the hospital, is currently suing me and is using Ben Shapiro's lawyer, who has sued me relentlessly on Ben's behalf for the last three years. Candace had the same security that Charlie did. Now, I don't know when she severed. My understanding, from a direct source, Brian Harpole provided security for Candace Owens, in fact, had even helped her out in ancillary affairs. And the reason why he's suing her is because of this. Candace is evil. And you know what? Whatever. People are like, they say Tim asked Candace the arrangements. Guys, she's got 7.4 million views on this. But it's not just about Candace. I'm going to explain more, but bear with me. One of the security members who was in the car at the hospital is currently suing me. Ben Shapiro hated Charlie. That's a lie. Everyone knew that. Fact. Candace Owens was going around in the months before Charlie's death saying she hated him. I can say that definitively from a Candace told that too. I got to be careful how I describe this because there's some confidential sources. Candace had been going to events and privately telling people that she hated Charlie Kirk. Why? She got ousted from Turning Point. Here's the truth. Candace is a loose cannon. Her working with Kanye West was controversial. Daily Wire is not like this Israel, Netanyahu company. Let me explain. Daily Wire does love Israel. Don't get me wrong. But it's not like they're a government controlled operation. They're just biased and deferential for obvious reasons. Ben Shapiro loves Israel, but they're not being controlled by it. The reason why they're just politically aligned in a lot of ways. The reason why you have stories like this. Well, again, I think I think you get the point. The Daily Wire wants to The issue with the Daily Wire and censorship and Candace Owens and Kanye, it's not about Israel being mad. It's about them trying to get sponsors. 100% hard fact. They want to be on the right. They want to challenge the establishment. They prefer if conservatives win, but they're also dancing on eggshells because they want to make sure sponsors are going to buy in. That means they're going to go to Candace and say, don't say Macron's a man and don't pal around with Ye because we're going to lose sponsors because of this. That's the principal issue, not Israel. Anyway, Candace gets ousted, but Charlie wants to main. First of all, Charlie's a good. Charlie was a good man, and I don't think that Charlie wanted to burn someone who was a friend of his, Candace, because she had views he did not agree with, which means she is. She was basically ousted from T.P. USA. She wasn't doing their events. She had done some like a year or so prior, but she was just not being involved. But Charlie was still trying to be friendly with her because they were friends. But the turning point organization was like, you can't have her. She's bad for the branch. She's bad for donors. We don't want to be involved now. Yes, that is pro-Israel influence and all of that stuff, too, right? Big donors who love Israel don't want to give the turning point if they're propping up someone like Candace Owens. But now think about this. When they say Israel killed Charlie, you mean the guy who held a seminar with Colvitt where they did a video explaining to young people why Israel and the Jews were good? It's wild. Well, how about the organization that actually stopped bringing on Candace because of her views and opinions? You think they were mad at Charlie over that stuff? Don't get me wrong. People say Charlie's views were evolving on Israel, and those are half-truths most of the time. Listen, Israel did not kill Charlie Kirk. Provide for me positive evidence in that direction, and I absolutely will have that conversation. This is what Candace is trying to do to Ben Shapiro. I knew it. I knew it. I knew it. He confessed. It's so fake. Let me read more. Who on Charlie's security team betrayed him in this way? Guys, I have a handful of security people. When Charlie Kirk got shot, they were all informed that Charlie Kirk got shot. We then talked to our security guys, and they're like, yeah, we're getting these updates. Why? Don't you think it's important? A prominent conservative is shot. People go on lockdown. Like, hey, heads up. High threat incident, right? She's making it seem like someone in the car was relaying information to Ben Shapiro as though Ben Shapiro was somehow in on the assassination. The insinuation here is that Ben Shapiro was involved in killing Charlie Kirk. Everything Ben did following the assassination made my alarm bells go off. I have told you guys there is something about the Daily Wire and their relentlessly stalking of me following the firing that has made me feel altogether unsafe. I have felt their absence of focus on destroying me is deranged and increasingly dangerous. What did Andrew Corbett mean when he told me it was supposed to be you? Never. It was supposed to be her, huh? What is that? Why did Turning Point betray Charlie so quickly by allowing Ben to open at AmFest after declaring immediately that he would pick up Why didn't Ben mention this before today that he was receiving status updates while Charlie was bleeding out? Hey, I was receiving status updates. I was on the phone right away with people telling me exactly what was going on. With security people telling me exactly what was going on. We're talking minutes. Minutes. Am I in on it too? Huh? It's psychotic. My god. It's so difficult to be in this space that is dominated by such evil people and I think maybe that's the point. Politics is pretty dead right now. Again, which is why I said I came out to Vegas to do some schmoozing, contracts, business meetings, sponsorships, and all that stuff. What opportunity do I have? You know, every day there's a big news story and I have a job to do and I feel guilty when I don't do that job. But at the same time, I have to at some point do administrative work, do backroom deals, secret meetings with private sponsors. No, but I'm meeting with like tech companies and advertisers and things like that and trying to get things sorted for the show moving forward with the midterms coming up, with the primary coming up. This is the point in time where we can go and do a ton of negotiations because we know interest in viewership of politics is low. At the same time, it's fair to point out there are a lot of people that I know that are just burned out because of stuff like this. She says, I clocked that Ben was too invested in this. His energy on stage demanding that Megyn Kelly call me evil and his overprotective stance on Erica always registered me as deeply nervous. Ben Shapiro is satanic. Everything in my soul tells me he worships Satan, literally. Look at his demeanor in this clip. We need to find out exactly who on Charlie's team betrayed him by providing immediate updates to this parasite. Okay, here's Clint Russell. For those that haven't followed this closely, Charlie Kirk was placed in that vehicle in under a minute. The car ride was less than 10, likely less than five. So within five or 10 minutes, Shapiro security was getting real time updates from Charlie Kirk security and that was relayed to Shapiro when they should have been working tirelessly to save his life. Clint, you're a liar. You are lying and you know it. Shapiro was not CK's friend. CK did not work for Daily Wire. That's not correct. They were friends. While the rest of the world was just learning about a shot being fired, somehow, Shapiro has a direct line of the security team, which just failed to secure their protectee. This is weird beyond belief. I hope everyone will set their by side and really think about how this is even possible. So disturbing. I know Clint's not stupid. I know Clint's a smart guy. I know Clint understands how security works. So, Clint, you're a liar. You and Candace, you want your view so bad? Is this what you think is going to make your podcast? By all means, congratulations, brother. You've earned all of it. Ben Shapiro was getting updates because his security team who provides security. So Daily Wire's got a company, a big company, guys in suits with earpieces and guns and sometimes big guns. And there's a ton of them. They are a big company that cost millions of dollars, probably per month. OK, maybe not per month, but maybe at least hundreds of thousands of dollars, maybe 500 to 600,000 per month in order to secure multiple high profile talent. You better damn well believe that Charlie Kirk's security team is going to be relaying information to their higher ups. It's as if these people, you know what Clint is doing? Clint, you know what you're doing? You know what you're doing? Are you intentionally trying to mislead people into believing that Charlie's security team consisted only of the people standing there on the ground and not an administrator in an office, a logistics person? I've got, for my security company, they've got all of that stuff. So we've got security guards. Some of them are contractors, vets, former police, mostly vets though. These guys are tough as nails, carved out of stone. When something happens, they give information to logistics. Logistics relays information that is pertinent to the higher ups and everyone in the company instantly knows. Now, maybe a security guard, like if we get a flat tire and they relay we have a flat tire and it goes to our security company so they know, they're not going to go tell the security guy for Ben Shapiro. But if someone shot me, they would immediately be sending out information to all the other guards, all the other security personnel. It's called EP, it's executive protection, saying heads up, assassination, high profile target, be on alert. Instantly, everyone in security in this space knows what's happening. That's why I knew it was happening. That's why we knew it was going on. And I would say, got some things wrong and I will never take those posts down. The fog of war is real and what happened that point is real and it deserves to be seen its entirety in the future so people can see that fog of war, just understand that it was. So Clint, why are you pretending like Charlie's only security people are literal on the ground security? Could it be that perhaps as they're rushing to the car, the guy who got in the front seat, who wasn't rendering aid to Charlie, got on the phone and immediately said, Charlie's down, he's taking a bolt to the neck, we're transporting to the hospital right now. And the logistics for his company immediately contacted the company that The Daily Wire uses, which is also used by a bunch of other companies and said, guys, heads up, here's exactly what happened, you guys should be on high alert. Ben's in Los Angeles, he's in a particularly lefty place. It's just lies. It's just all lies. 400. Look at that. 1200 retweets. Here we go. Candace responded. And to be clear, the former CEO of The Daily Wire, Jeremy Boring, who confessed that he was not on speaking terms with Ben on that date, despite receiving a text, is now boldly claiming that he knows for a fact it was F.R.G. security. Only problem, he lied and claimed F.R.G. informed me as well. This is completely false. I can say it equivalently that I was informed by my manager that Charlie had been shot when the video began going viral. There's a video I watched. It was really good. It was a reel on Instagram and there's some like mentalist guru or something, sales guy. And he says that there's a technique you can do. He says, let's say you're going to go to an interview, you're going to interview somebody and you walk in and you're talking and you put down two Legos. You don't say anything about them, just put them down. You've never said anything. In the middle of your conversation, that person looks down and they, at some point, they're going to realize, hey, wait, I think these things can click together. And they're not wrong. You take the two Legos and they snap together. Aren't they great? And that is a manipulation technique. I call this, it's similar to, I don't know if the technique is identical to, it's called assumptive reasoning. And what you do is you provide someone with information while leaving gaps so they draw conclusions. So for instance, what Clint is doing when he says, when they should have been working tirelessly to save his life. This is not the exact same thing, but the insinuation of course is that Charlie didn't have logistics. He didn't have managers at a security company and Charlie's only security. In your mind, when he says these things, you imagine that Charlie has four or five security guys and there's nobody else. There's nobody at the office. There's nobody driving the car. I have a security guy. All he does is drive. That's all he does. He drives. So when something happens, he's sitting in the car, they're sending him updates. So when something happens to Charlie, what happens? I'll tell you exactly what happened. Alex Stein was the first person who called me. It was literally within like 30 seconds. He calls me right away and I look at my phone. My wife and I were driving to get, I think it was, we were going to, we were driving to Winchester in Virginia to get lunch, dinner. I ate dinner early because of IRL. And then I get a call from Alex and he's like, Tim, Charlie's just been shot. I was like, what? He's like, it just happened right now. And I said, I'm going to call you back. And I hung up, immediately opened up Twitter and saw everything. And then I immediately got, then I think I called one of my team members and I said, what's going on? And then I got a call back, direct updates, exactly what was going on. My security company has a person who just sits in the office. They're not a security, they're not security personnel. They're not, they're not security guards. They're not veterans, right? They just sit at a computer and they're going over information. This is what, this is what we have to deal with now. Let's see what else we have. Clint says, wow, it's like these people are allergic to honesty. What a week for you to be on vacation. Thanks for clarifying what happened. Viva Fry, Clint, serious question. You think it's absurd the security team of a prominent conservative speaker who had just been shot would notify the security team of other prominent conservative speaker who regularly received death threats. What are you suggesting is the nefarious reason that they would have contacted Ben's security team? You think it's less absurd they would give the security team an update on planned assassination? Is the idea that they're giving Ben's, I had to cancel a college appearance. My security team said, based on what's going on, you can't do this. We had to shut down our skateboarding events. We were doing these, uh, these special events and then actually, uh, so, so we, we, we, we partially shut them down. The initial plan for our live skate events was going to be, uh, semi-public. And then after the shooting, we were like, it's going to be invite only to, to close friends. And then after someone opened fire on my property in December, we canceled them outright. We're working to restore them. Uh, and we're setting up our studio in DC, which should help us do all that. Viva says, is the idea that they're giving Ben's security team an update, uh, an update on the, uh, team and update on the plot between notifying a prominent conservative speaker security team of a potential threat and updating the security team on the status of an operation, which do you think is more likely since your question, this response as the way, the way this is being portrayed as if the individuals in the backseat would seek it. We're literally in the phone with Ben's team on the way to the hospital is retarded. If that's not the direct claim, it's certainly being implied. I swear there's an epidemic of people's selective leaves in their intelligence. Clint's not stupid. Clint, you know, you're lying. I know you're lying. Clint's a smart guy, successful guy, smart guy, and he's grifting. So I remember where I was when all this was happening. I was in Los Angeles. I had sort of a breakfast slash lunch meeting with somebody and my, uh, I got the news that Charlie had been shot and my security was on the phone with Charlie's security because nobody knew what the hell was going on while Charlie was still in the back of the car. And we were sort of getting updates along the way. He did not say that Charlie's security team in the back of the car called him as Charlie lay dying to tell him what was happening. The insinuation they're trying to make when Candace says that he confessed, I knew it is that Ben Shapiro is Israel and that they were saying operation complete. That's the insinuation. That's what the assumptive reasoning is. The way it's framed that he confessed, she knew it, he was getting updates is to make you come to the conclusion that these two things fit together, but she never said it. So you can't sue her. This is where we are. Steve D says at this point, there's way more evidence that Candace Owens was demonically placed and supernaturally elevated within our ranks to be in a position to divide and knife us at the most painful and strategic of times. Then, uh, then there is for any of her Charlie assassination theories. Indeed. And, uh, you know, I say this, I say this, uh, she's not the only one. There are a ton of people doing it. What exactly would his entire security team be doing to save his life at that point in time? Explain. I'll tell you what they might be doing. Calling his wife, calling the hospital, prepare for their arrival, stopping the bleeding, discuss WTF happened, holding on for dear life as a job, a hundred plus miles an hour for four miles. Bottom of that potential list is contacted venture peers team false. Phoenix says someone was already putting pressure on the wound. The only other thing you mentioned is calling the hospital. It's your assertion. That wasn't done by anyone in the hospital. I had no idea they were on their way. How many people are on his team? You're asserting all guys, Phoenix. The insinuation is also that that's his only security homeboy in the seat. First thing he's going to do is the, so you've got multiple people. One guy calls the hospital. One guy calls security company and says, Charlie has been shot. The security company then gets either contacted or contacts the company for the daily wire, which probably overlap. And again, my end. So I want to say this, I'm gonna be very careful. I have a security company and we love, they're great. We have been pitched to work with this, this other big security company. And we were told it's because turning point daily wire, uh, some other big prominent conservatives all use the same company. And I said, Hey, we're on the East coast. These are these, we know these guys, they travel with us. We're good. You know what I mean? It's, you know, we don't need to. And so that's why I'm gonna be careful because I was just told like, Hey, you're, we're going to get off from this big company. They want to work with us. We can get like just kind of rates and all that stuff. And I'm like, Hey, whatever, you know, but it's a big company and they, and I was told it's used by everyone. So again, my understanding, and I could be wrong was that it's also that Charlie's security, probably the same security as, as Ben's. And I don't mean the same guys, but the same contractors or company. So some of the guys who do security for me, it's called, again, it called EP. It's called executive protection. They're contractors. We had a guy when I went to Arizona for turning point in October to do the show there, who was a vet, a vet Navy seal guy. And he was a contractor. He worked for a bunch of different companies and he worked with us and he was, he was a great dude. So they all know each other. Uh, not only that, but my head of my security, like I mentioned, knows Brian Harpole. And, uh, again, I went through, I don't know what I'm not, what I'm supposed to say, not supposed to say, but, uh, again, relate to me. Let me just put it this way. Candace worked with turning point. Don't you think that they had the same security? Why would Candace have a different security company than Charlie when they were doing the same events? I'm not saying she hired them directly. I'm saying the dude who was saying, wait, right here, miss Owens, what do you need? Miss Owens walking with her, going to dinner with her was the same company that Charlie had. And, uh, and she's lying about it. So he was going to say, you're asserting all of them would have had some immediate tasks to do. And one of those things to work in the body, one was driving, one was praying their accounts, not mine. That leaves one more who could have been calling Erica or nine one one or the hospital, but instead called the Ben Shapiro security. You see what Clint's doing? The first thing, any reasonable person does is ask themselves, what is security's job? Clint is lying. Any reasonable person. And I say this on to you because I know you are reasonable. And I know you concluded this already. My audience ain't their audience. You probably concluded that as soon as Charlie was shot, some rendered aid and they immediately informed the head of their company, probably by walkie to be honest, Charlie's been shot giving updates and the logistics division in that company is talking with Charlie's security team. They are trying to make you assume again that Charlie's security team did not have logistics and consisted of only what is this four people? I assure you, Charlie Kirk security was substantially greater than four people. Yo, I think my security team is like six. And that's not, and I'm saying on the ground, the company that I work with, we've got again, managers, administrative logistics. He's just Clint. You're just lying. You're a liar. I hope it's worth it. Phoenix ads. So in other words, they were doing everything possible to keep him alive, but you're just not happy. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He won't admit ish about Ben Shapiro. He's a B whatever. It's all fake. I ask you only this. Is it not? Is my conclusion not the most reasonable? That's all I can say. Of course, one of the first things they're going to do is render aid, but not everyone can. So they're going to relay to the bosses because information, you know, you don't show I really love guys, Dr. Stone. It's like magic school bus for little boys though. And I've, I've, I've explained it a bit, but what I love about it, there was an episode, basically, you know, humans are petrified thousands of years past civilization is destroyed. And this, uh, this gifted Japanese kid breaks from petrification. And now he's got to rebuild civilization from scratch. That's the show. So it's basically magic school bus for kids. He's like, they get into a fight. There's one, there's one side that doesn't want technology. One side does. And so he says, we're going to build the most powerful weapon man has ever created. And immediately, and I laughed and I said, communications, and then nailed it on the battlefield. They play trumpets. They bang drums. Why that informs the soldiers, what to do? How do you relay to a thousand men on the battlefield? What move to make? And the, and the information conveys rudimentary charge or on drums retreat. What have you could convey specific instructions to individuals? Communications are key. The most important thing in any kind of security circumstance is going to be communications. In which case the head of the security company needs to know this. And, uh, here we go. Here we go. Drunk woodworker says, Tim pool was getting updates too. Is he in on the conspiracy? Wasn't Tim getting updates from the hospital? Not while CK was being transported to the hospital. No, I was getting updates while he was being transported. Uh, well he is the master Shabos Goy, just a cuck for them. It's fake. So I think you get it to Steve D's point. I was having dinner the other day with a bunch of libs and conservatives. And one question that was asked was, aren't you just tired of politics at this point? And I was like, no, like that's the only thing I ever really cared about, to be honest. Like since I was a little kid, I'm reading the news and seeing what's going on in the world. But at this point I do, I do believe that Steve D's, whether it's true about demons, Candace Owens serves to annihilate the political space. Sponsors don't want to go anywhere near it. Politics is now, uh, devolved into this psycho anti, uh, like this psycho anti-Jew stuff, weird conspiracies that are not in the mainstream, that no one cares about. And, uh, it was funny when I was playing in the World Series, Dan Balzerian was there. And, uh, so I, I, I had one of the dealer, a dealer and, uh, he knew who I was and he was like a big fan and fist bump. And, and, uh, he mentioned it was like, actually I was dealing with, uh, at Balzerian's table and I was like, oh yeah, how did that go? And he's like, as you, as you think, and then, uh, everyone at the table started chuckling. Everybody knows who Dan is. And I was like, uh, yeah, was he talking about the Jews? And then, uh, he was like, well, you know, he was asking questions about, you know, this kind of stuff. Right. I don't want to say too much cause I don't know exactly. I don't, I don't put words in Dan's mouth, but Dan was, this is what he was talking about. This kind of stuff, asking if people believe these theories or anything. And, you know, people kind of were, and maybe a couple of people agree with him, but he said, a lot of people were just kind of like, bro, regular people see through this stuff. Regular people see completely through this stuff. So there, so here we are. I'm spending this week. It's funny. Even Candace is on vacation this week. How about that? Everybody's kind of burned on politics. You know, since Charlie died, it's been pretty brutal. And so the world series of poker has been, it's like a two month long thing almost, but the main event was starting at the end of last week. And I said, let's go out. Some, some potential sponsors were like, we'd love to see you play. And the reason, the reason is for one, I'm a big poker guy. I, I play a lot of tournaments, small ones, like online, usually cash for small amounts. Main event's a big dog tournament, you know, so it's, it's rough to get there. I made it to the end of day two. Good fun. Good fun. And I think I got knocked out at like 3000 out of, 9200. I don't think I'm the best player in the world, but you know, I was having a conversation with this, with this buyer who was like, listen, man, it's really hard to get sponsors for all this stuff. We, we, we, no one wants to go anywhere near it. Nobody wants to go near the Candace stuff. And I was like, I get it. And, and, and people are burned on it all. So we're, we're, we're talking with companies and this week we've been doing meetings where it's like, the midterms are going to be hot. We're going to be in DC. We're going to be doing interviews. We got to figure out how to do a couple of things. If we want to get sponsors and do these shows, the first and foremost that, and every business person, business person's mind is the bottom line, not your culture, not your traditions. It's like, can this business work? And one of the issues of course, being that you've got a hyper-partisanship. So they said, what can we do? It's like, okay, well, you know, we'll be in DC, we'll get access to more people, but we're not going to get sponsors with vitriolic, hyper-partisan stuff. So how do we come together? How do we have those adversarial, but professional debates? You know, like when I, we had Brian Shapiro on several times and we're in screaming matches, but we're laughing. We're, we're laughing to, it gets heated and that's a little too high energy for what sponsors want. And so I said, there's a time and place for those things. The podcasts work maybe for like the bigger shows. We try to keep them adversarial, but professional. And that was the, that's what we agree with. We want to be adversarial, but we want to be professional, right? So we don't get angry. We want to scream at each other. And I think that's, that's where we should take things because these online blood sports, screaming matches have just fried our brains. And you know what I said, maybe it doesn't work because we don't know, don't want to watch it, but I can tell you that sponsors don't want the other thing. Sponsors don't want the screaming matches. They want to be associated with that. Here's the other major point, culturally and traditionally, instantly we're like, yeah. And you know, if we can't sit down and have like these, these professional, but adversarial debates with liberals between liberals and conservatives, then civil war, right? So the strategy that we're discussing is like going into next year, we want to try, we're like, we at IRL want to try and have on as many people from across the board as possible and be adversarial, but not, uh, not angry screaming blood sports. So we want it to be, uh, more like real time with Bill Maher, uh, was for a long time. And I think he does a great job. And that was actually what someone said. It's like, oh yeah, you're like, look, Tim cast IRL is kind of similar. And I was like, right. We, so, so we need to be a bit more professional. We're not going to do the, like the comedy opening or anything that he does, but I'm saying in terms of the panel portion, there have been some heated moments, like when Ben Shapiro was arguing with some Lib and they were insulting him, but we do want to have balance. And one of reasons why is it is not entertaining anymore. It is, it is anger inducing. The other thing too, is in this political space, the same conversation every single day, every day in the past several months, at least. And that's why I said, guys, this is the time where we should probably go out and do promo stuff. So playing in the world series, I've got a big event coming up. Uh, uh, we've got a big event coming up. It's a secret, so I can't say too much, but we're super excited for the stuff we have planned. And, uh, the, the Casper coffee shop is opening up. So one of the, one of the hardest things about, about running this business is that when I'm doing a morning show and a nightly show, I have no time for business development, meaning going to sponsors, outside promo, like, you know, Piers Morgan, shout out, his team hits him all the time saying, can you come on and do these debates? And I'm just like, I just can't. Cause I do, I record four to five hours a day myself. And you know what the reality is that only goes so far. I have to go out and do promo outside. And that makes it really challenging. So anyway, last night I hang out with a bunch of libs and everyone's like, we're so burned out. We're just so sick of it. And I was like, yeah, can we just have like some moderate lib, give a stern look and say, you're wrong. And then like, I laugh and say, well, you know, agree to disagree instead of this screaming match bloodsport stuff. Cause we're all just so tired, you know? So then I told the team, I was like, guys, I think I'm going to take the rest of the week because there's a bunch of big events that I want to try and do. Uh, I could do well. There's like some dailies. If I, if I do well, if I win, win one, we get some press coverage. I got featured on poker news. And, uh, the idea is, uh, busted out ace King Suda versus aces, uh, questionable call. But it's funny. Cause like almost everybody I talked to the pros are like, what are you going to do? You know what I mean? And, uh, in hindsight, I'm like, I kind of wish I would fold it, but I'm out. If I had doubled up, I would have been like, let's roll. But you know, it is what it is. You, you try to make the right moves. And then there's a, we call it variants, but there's luck involved. You play well. And then some people just hit it better than you. Uh, my boy Robbie, uh, cashed like top 120 in the ultra stack tournament, which were like massive, massive. He made it really far. I was date two day events. We did really, really well. But, um, you know, like what I was telling guys, like, listen, the only press I ever get is like, I'll say something on my show. And then some wackaloo lefty will be like, Tim pool says dumb thing, right? Conservatives will watch the show. Moderates will watch the show. And I was like, you know, I go to an event like the WSOP and then they're going to write about it. And there's going to be other people who meet me. And that's the kind of thing. It's like making appearances in other places. You've got to do that stuff. It's hard to do when I'm recording 24 seven. So I'm aiming today to be here for IRL just because this is grinding my gears. I woke up and I'm like, guys, prep the studio. I'm coming in and I'm like, I know there's terms of events going on. I don't care. I'm coming in. So, you know, it is what it is, but I can say a lot more on this stuff. I can debate it all. Brian Atlas is like, come on, Candace, you know, debate, uh, Andrew Wilson on this stuff. You know, I'm going to say this to you, Clint, the most disappointing thing. What are you doing? You know, what are you doing? What is this? I just so sick of it. Politics is fake and gay. Everybody's fake. Everybody's fake. It's funny. You go to the poker table and you're literally sitting down with people who are intent on lying to you for the purpose of winning a game. But in between, it's a fairly honest place. You know, everybody's laughing, hanging out. And that's the thing about it. That's why we're setting up this poker show. Not because we want to have a high stakes gambling show. I hate that because we want to have a talk show where the dudes, the ladies, people just hanging out on a Friday night. The point of the poker show, Poker with the Boys, is not meant to be, you know, you're watching a guy and he's got his face covered and he's got his face covered, he's covering sunglasses on, that's boring. The point is, I can be sitting there talking to, you know, my boy Robbie, and we look at our cards and I'm like, you think, you believe Candace? I mean, come on, like, so we're having a conversation over a game of poker, so we're laughing, we're having fun. That's the game plan. To bring some fun back. But other than that, you know, I was talking with some of the execs down here in Vegas and some of these pros. I made a tweet about it, Vegas is hurting. Hotels and gambling is hurting in Vegas, despite gambling being on the rise because of apps. There's a variety of reasons for this. Real estate market's bad. The media space is really bad. And it's a dark time. You know, people are trying to figure out, what do we do? And where are we going? Things are particularly bad for this time of year, you know, it's July, it's summer. But ad rates are really low. It's pretty wild. Like, YouTube's got this new thing where I can see the ad rates and it's surprising being like, wow. Like, the ad rates are just down. Economy is not doing well. And blame whoever you want. Trump's the president, right? So let's figure it out. The Iran war is never ending. Obvious. It's funny, I remember when the MOU came out, I'm like, this is it, the war is over. And I'm like, or is it not? Because we're just yo-yoing back and forth. So people are burned on it all. They're burned on it all. And this stuff that Clint and Candace is doing, it's trying to scrape the bottom of the barrel. The only problem is you've scraped the bottom of the barrel so hard, you're pulling up wood chips. Ain't nothing left, man. Ain't nothing left. So in terms of talk radio and podcast clips and debates, we're investing heavily into the next year with the midterms and all that stuff. But we're going to try and set up more meaningful conversations. And I'm also, we're talking with bringing back the Culture War format in the original. So originally Culture War was set down interviews. And so we have a production company we've been working with, and they said, like, let's do this again. Let's bring it back. We'll bring it to DC. Then we can do more one-on-ones. And I said, let's roll, baby. So we're going to have the Tim Pool monologue, the Tim Pool panel show, and the Tim Pool one-on-one interviews. In the meantime, it's summer. People aren't paying attention all that much to what's going on right now in the world. They're kind of just trying to relax and get away from all this nonsense. And I don't blame them. I hope y'all do the same. Smash that like button. Share the show with everyone you've ever met in your life. 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