'GRIM!' Nana Akua reacts to Katie Price's latest stunt in motherhood debate: GB Mums

Hello and welcome to GB Mums. I'm Nana Akwir. I'm Michelle Tuperie. I'm Emily Carver. And joining us from Washington DC Live is Bev Turner. With her fearless t-shirt. Yes, looking fearless as ever. Right now listen, I really want to kick things off with a Katie Price story. Hold on a minute, before we get into Katie Price, we need to talk about the princess and the fact it's her birthday. Oh gosh, sorry I've gone wrong again. We need to raise, we need to raise a glass. Katie Price is bosom. What, you want me to wait to the very end? Are you crazy? Thank you. 34 years old. Is that all? Oh that's lovely. Is that all? You're so lucky to be so young. And Beverly, we miss you as well, dear Bev. I'm sure she'd be clutching a glass of something if she could get away with it. I don't know what time of the day it is there for you, but cheers to you as well. Yeah, sorry, sorry about that. Somebody should have told Bev to change the glass for a second. Don't worry, it's boobs on the brain. I have. I've got a cup of coffee here. She's got coffee. She's got a coffee. Excellent. But what it is, right, because I happen to think that Katie Price is a good mother. I think she's a good mother because a lot of people wouldn't have sacrificed their five times to have all those children. But I watched this kind of clip of her. It was part of her daughter's new series. And on that series, she announces that she's had another boob job, another one, a secret boob job that we all hear about. So it's not a secret. And I don't know how many she's had. I don't understand how you can keep having them. And she then lifts her top up and poor junior turns his head away. Oh no, no. I mean, we've got the clip. So have a look. Can I say no, no, no, no. Oh, don't want to look. You know, it's big than the other. I've got a top on top. She's got like a brown. Bouncing out the camera me. They look good. Did you get them smaller? Oh, flip it. They're going to pop. Oh, my God. You see, that's it's a bit grim, isn't it? And I don't know how you would feel about if that was your mother watching her sort of talking about these excess boob jobs and what your take on it is, Michelle, you've crossed your hands in a sort of. Yeah, I've crossed my hands. I'm like essentially trying to cover up my own bosom at this point. I just I'm really reluctant to judge other people's appearances, but I've reached the point now where I'm starting to wonder who are the surgeons that are willing to keep doing this kind of surgery? Because to me, there's just something not quite right there. And I just I understand why she might want to do it. Attention, whatever is insecurity. I don't know. It's not for me. But I just think who is the professional surgeons that seem to be happy doing these kind of operations? And it just makes me worry a little bit for what is going on. Back to the question in hand, would I want to see my mother, my mother's bosoms? No, thank you. I think I departed those days when I was about two years old. Thank you very much. Yeah. Emily, what do you make of it? Because I feel really sorry for Katie Price, but at the same time, she doesn't feel sorry for herself. And she's quite happy with it all. Yeah. I mean, Princess, the daughter, is very much trying to forge her own career, doing these sort of documentary series. I think she does. She works as an influencer, basically. I think she's got hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers. But it does seem like she's very mortified by her mother, although her mom is useful, and I'm sure she loves her as well. But it seems like half of Katie Price's body weight is in her bosom. She's very, very slight. And then she's just got these massive boobs. And she said before, I think, that she feels like she's a bit addicted to it. She has said that. But, I mean, Bev, what do you make of it? I mean, you know, not to judge her parenting, because I feel bad about that, because she's, to me, I think she's a good mother, because she looks after her kids, guards them with her life. But the whole boob situation, constant boob jobs. She, you know, Jordan, as she used to be, was a caricature, really, of the times, wasn't she? But she was absolutely symbolic of that kind of early 2000s women are, she was at the lad's mags, women were there to be looked at. And I guess having those boobs at the time was what made her, her, and I'm sure her identity at the time was pinned to that. And now she's kind of become this figure of fun. She just looks, I mean, I'm like you, Michelle, I'm uncomfortable to judge how people look. We all might do it in our heads sometimes. We don't necessarily have to, you know, say it out loud. It's clearly, it's a psychological disorder with her, isn't it? It is dysfunctional, the extent to which she wants to change her appearance. In terms of her mothering, I think anybody that's had a disabled child, as she had Harvey with Dwight York, deserves our admiration, because there but for the grace of God go any of us, what she's had to endure raising him. And I have to say, in some ways, she looks like she's done a good job. The only other thing I'd say is the best thing about this is that none of our kids would have any clue who Katie Price is. So she's not going to influence them because I don't think my kids would have a clue who she is. Would yours? Well, I think my daughter who's 17, she knows who Katie Price is. And she goes, oh my God, because Katie's kind of gone on this whole mission now of all these tattoos and everything else like that. She kind of looks a little bit like Moana, you know, that sort of that cartoon character with all the tattoos. I mean, it's just too much, isn't it? She was beautiful before. Sometimes some of the newspapers show you the pictures of how she looked, you know, some 15 or how many years ago. Stunning, beautiful woman, green eyes, amazing. It reminds me, this conversation about, you know, not talking about other women's bodies and things. I mean, there's been a lot of mean commentary about Andy Burnham's wife on social media about her dress and everything. And it's just, who cares if you like the dress or whether someone's shape looks good in a dress? I mean, I think it's really catty. What do you think? I mean, it was a Victoria Beckham dress as well. It was a very expensive dress. It was all wrong. I mean, it was all wrong. The thing was three quarter length and then this here and this. I mean, it's not that she's not... Well, just because you always look fabulous, Nana. Well, I'm so hungry, I'll take that. But she's got a voluptuous, beautiful body and that dress did not do it any favours. I'm sorry. People don't need to tweet about it, do they? Well, why not? Well, it's just a bit nasty, Michelle, isn't it? Oh, we tweet about everything, don't we, in this day and age? I didn't see you writing anything nasty, though. Well, you see, I'm not really... I've got better things to do with my time than sit there and talk about who was wearing what. I agree with you. I agree. And the question is really, would a bloke walking into that house be subject to the same scrutiny? And the answer is a hard no. So I think we have to be mindful that we're not holding women up to different standards than the men. And Marie France, Andy Burnham's wife, is a very interesting and quite impressive figure. And I don't know whether any of you guys have met her. I've met her and she takes no prisoners. She's pretty nails. I genuinely think she'll be quite an asset for him. So I think we have to give her a go. Well, I mean, I'm not so sure that the men didn't get the scrutiny. I mean, to remember Andy Burnham in those shorts. I mean, we took Mickey out of that one and we thoroughly enjoyed it. And Boris Johnson. Exactly. Some of the stuff that he used to wear when he used to go running. Do you remember that? Oh, good grief. Yeah, but it's kind of funny, isn't it? They sort of get away with it because it's humorous. Yeah, you're right. It is kind of funny. It's a kind of gentle mocking, isn't it? Of Andy Burnham always not wearing a suit again, always got a bit of a porn when he's out running. Whereas with women, it's almost like your worth is therefore less. I kind of see them in a way equally. They're equal for mocking, but that dress did not look right on her. She's a beautiful, beautiful figure. You're doing it. That was the wrong dress. I've done it before. I've worn the wrong dress. We've all worn the wrong thing. I used to go shopping with this girl who was so nice, but she was a witch because we'd go shopping and every time you'd come back from the shop, you would have bought the most disgusting dress. And I think she was, it was sabotage. I don't know what it was. She just had such terrible taste. But there's been a lot of talk, hasn't there? There's been lots of stories in the press recently. I know, Emily, you had a story that you wanted to talk about. Yes. So this government has made a big song and dance about how they care so much about violence against women and girls, and they want to end half, I believe it is, violence against women and girls. But this story just struck me. It's about an asylum seeker, failed asylum seeker, living in a hotel in Bournemouth on the taxpayer. 35-year-old from Eritrean. And he assaulted a 20-year-old girl, well, young woman, Cleo Lake, outside a Bournemouth nightclub. Now, apparently he was coming on to them, a group of girls. They didn't want his advances. And he just essentially battered her to the floor, unconscious, bloody nose, bloody face, leaving her bleeding in the street. Now, he denied the assault to begin with, claimed it was self-defence. Anyway, for all of that, he was also a serial offender. There are other cases behind him as well. Six months. Now, as we've learnt this week and previously, that probably means he'll be out in, what, three, three months? If he even goes in, to be honest, because the length has probably taken them to actually bring this to court. He's probably served what would have been his prison sentence. There's so many elements to this. I mean, why was this man in this country to begin with? But he's a failed asylum seeker. Why hasn't he gone back? Why is he here? He missed multiple court appearances, so absolutely no respect for our justice system. And six months. I mean, Michelle, do you think six months is enough for that kind of... I think no one with a working brain cell would think that six months is enough. I think it's insulting. I'm fed up with it now. It happens all the time. We don't take crimes against children seriously enough. We don't take crimes against women seriously enough, and I find it so insulting that you can attend a protest against things like asylum seeking, hotels and immigration, all the rest of it. You can chuck a stone at the police and you can find yourself banged up for years, but yet you can do things like this and you can literally get yourself banged up for a matter of weeks. So I think the reason why it was six months, now, that was the most he could have been, because it was at a magistrate's court. I take him to a different court, that's what I think. Do they get a choice of which court? I think they do as well, which I think is absolutely shocking. It's disgraceful. It's not a deterrent, is it? But I mean, it's just, I don't know how you're going to change it. I don't know how you're going to... I think it's insulting. I think it's insulting, it's relentless, and I just don't know what it's going to take to change it. Beth? I think, if that was my daughter, and I have two teenage daughters who are heading to that age where they might be going to nightclubs and being vulnerable, I promise you I'd hunt that man down. I would. And I'm not advocating for any sort of vigilantism here, but I would not be able to sleep at night knowing that he was walking around in the streets having done that to my daughter. My need for vengeance would be so intense. My mother lion would come out. My lioness, I would be absolutely incensed by that. And I think part of the reason is, because is it relevant that he's an asylum seeker? This is the question. People who don't like GB News would look at this conversation and say, why are you pointing out that he's an asylum seeker? And this is a conversation we need to have, because for me, when you're bringing people from violent war zones, the argument is their life is too dangerous, they live in violent war zones. People who arrive having been exposed to violence are more likely to commit violence empirically. So we have to clamp down on asylum seekers from war zones, because they bring that trauma to nightclub queues in Bournemouth. And nobody's brave enough or fearless enough to have that particular conversation. That worries me immensely. Not least as well, it's the culture that some of these men are coming from. I remember being in a nightclub in Oxfordshire, right? Leafy Oxfordshire, a couple of years ago, me and my other half and a few mates having a few drinks, great night. And around the room were individual men, Middle Eastern, North African men sipping water. They weren't together, they were all on their own. And do you know what they were doing? They were just watching the dance floor, just to see if there were any women, in my opinion, that might have got very drunk and they might have been able to follow them home. They might have got lucky with one of them. These men who haven't been socialised in a western nightclub environment where different rules apply to dating. You don't just get to pick the girl across the floor that you can like the look of and take her home with you. I think it's deeply worrying. And yet nobody's having that conversation about those men because they're dangerous. This is a great example of it. Yeah. Yeah. And this guy had actually been convicted the previous week for a separate drunken assault that was on a subway employee whom he spat at and kicked. Now, I don't know if that subway employee was also a woman, but if it was a woman, then that would show an attitude problem just a bit. I just don't get why. He's a failed asylum seeker, right? So he should be sent back. Well, quite. So how come he's allowed to just go out in the town where, you know, this is where I don't understand. This is where I get very confused as to why is it that somebody's actually failed their asylum, so effectively should be sent back. You know where they've come from. Why he's not gone back and why he's, if he's failed, then he's a criminal because he's already a leaping, right? Therefore he should be in prison. Well, as we speak, of course, the Labour Party are going through the courts at the moment. They're taking legal action to block crime statistics being published by nationality. So they're literally trying to stop that level of transparency, which I cannot understand, because surely the whole country needs to understand the data picture. Because if indeed there are or there is nationalities that are predisposed, to Bev's point, to a certain type of violence, whether that's sexual violence or whatever it is, that data should be publicly available and it should inform policy decisions. It's scandalous that the Labour Party is fighting that disclosure. Well, they can't wait to tell you how many black people there are in prison compared to white people. So somehow we need to equal that out, which doesn't make any sense. Well, when it comes to statistics where it may not be in their sort of left-wing ideology, they don't like the sound of that. I think it's a bit of a shocker. Now, Michelle, I know your story, a very sad story. Well, this is something that really caught my eye. This was a British family that have gone on holiday to Cyprus and they'd just arrived. And the father of this little boy, so you've got the family, the parents and the children. So you've got the dad and the two-year-old little boy and they're in the corridor, they're waiting for the lift to arrive, they're going down for dinner and they're messing around, they're playing around, whatever. And this is, I mean, it's an absolutely awful story. The little boy during this play then somehow, and God only knows how, fell through an open window on the corridor, dropped 10 metres from the window and obviously died. Immediately, pretty much a couple of hours afterwards, the dad was then arrested on suspicion of negligence. He had his blood tested. It seems that he'd had a drink, perhaps two drinks. And this has really created uproar. They've detained the dad, the whole family. Can you just imagine having lost your child in this awful, horrendous scenario? You are then arrested for negligence. You are then detained in a cell. So they kept him detained for many days. They wouldn't let him out. He's got a five-year-old sister. The dad was absolutely devastated, begging to be let out of these cells to go and tell the other child what happened. They wouldn't let him do that. He had to tell his five-year-old daughter about his two-year-old son, so the daughter's brother. Over FaceTime, they've now put so much pressure on that the authorities have now agreed to bail the dad, a £17,000 bail. And he's had all of his travel documentation removed. He's now not allowed to leave Cyprus. So this is an ongoing legal case. For me, I think this is something that the UK government should be trying to get involved with to try and help this family. Because of course, if anyone's done wrong, and I wasn't there, I don't know the surroundings, then of course there needs to be a legal due process. But it just doesn't stack up to me. I think you have a lot of resorts. You have a lot of foreign authorities that are popular with tourists and all the rest of it that would really seek to protect the reputation of that resort and or the broader tourist district. So it raises question marks with me, but I don't understand. Even one of Cyprus's top lawyers has come out and said, this is inhumane. It's completely wrong. There is no reason to have held this man on remand in this way. You are adding to his psychological trauma. And I just feel heartbroken for this family. Because it's not a homicide investigation. It's not a manslaughter investigation. It was arrested on negligence. But if it's currently under investigation, they haven't really confirmed what exactly happened. The child slipped from his grasp, at least that's the description. Just a horrific accident. The prominent lawyer said, and I quote, I have never seen anything like this in 46 years of practice. He talks about the continued detention of this man, quote, a major mistake. He says, from the moment of the get go, this is not a homicide investigation. So there's only two possible scenarios, negligence or an accident. And he's going on about what is it that you think this man would have done if you released him? You know, he says none of this, you know, he's not going to try and abscond and all the rest of it. He says none of those things are applying here. Just big question marks in my head over all of this. But there but for the grace of God go any of us. We've all been with a two year old. Well, you know, you'll get there, Emily. You know, when you're constantly on edge, because everything feels like a danger. You know, it depends on the child as well. You know, some children, particularly the boys, I'm so sorry to say, but particularly the boys will run off, they'll be impulsive, they'll go towards the road, they'll, they'll climb on the railings of a balcony. I mean, crikey, where my son was a child, my nerves were shredded. It was slightly different with the girls. But even now, like with my teenagers, I'm always saying to them, please be careful on balconies. You know, please be careful on balconies. And there was the terrible tragic story only a couple of years ago of Catherine Flett, the journalist that many of us will be familiar with, particularly a television critic. And her son was 20, I think 21 was at a party, a gathering in the south of England, and was on a balcony and tragically fell to his death. And I think, you know, we all have to be so careful with our kids so that when they get to a certain age, they're aware of it. And it's chilling. It's awful. I feel so sorry for that guy. And I'm interested, I haven't seen the detail of the story. But do we know where the mum is? Was he on holiday with the children on his own? Or was there a mother in the picture? No, there was the broader family was there as well. Like I'm saying to you, they've got that other child, they've got the five year old child. I've actually been trying to get a family member to come on to Jubes and Kerr, and actually have this conversation with us. And I do need to be clear, because it is a live investigation. I'm not trying to apportion blame anywhere. I don't know the details of what's gone on here. What I'm saying is, you've had a family that's experienced deep trauma. They're in a foreign country. The man, to detain the man for multiple, multiple days. I just, there's huge question marks about this for me. I just, for me, it seems a cruel blur on top of a deeply, deeply, I mean, unbearably cruel blur. So I'll follow this story with interest. Yeah, it'd be fantastic if you could speak to some of the family. Find out exactly what happened that day. Still very tragic. Awful. My thought is, my thoughts are with them. No one deserves to lose a child, whatever the circumstances in this way. Bev, you, you know, you're in America right now, and we often talk about how quickly people go back to work, for example. You've got Caroline Levitt there, very high profile lady, loved by many people, of course, in this country alone. She's back to work already. Oh, she's amazing. She's got a toddler already, and then she had a baby just a couple of months ago, and she was back in the briefing room holding the press conference. I'm not sure she's back full time. I'm not sure that she's back in the office every single day. I think they'll probably do a bit of a staggered return to work for her, but she's an absolute machine. And do you know what she has? She has a much older husband, and she credits him. She credits him with her ability to do the work that she does. He's in his 50s, very much in love, and she will, she said publicly, look, his career has had its kind of highlights, and he's happy to take a bit of a back seat now to help me work, and he looks after the kids so I can be the best I can be. And, you know, I'm in a similar situation. I'm in an age gap relationship, but obviously my other half is a lot younger, and I couldn't be here in America if it wasn't for James and all of the emotional housekeeping and practicalities that he takes care of for me at home. So it's an interesting one, isn't it? We're in a different kind of era now, I think, hopefully, where it's kind of recognised sometimes that we can't have it all. Am I a bit lazy? Am I a bit lazy? You know, I took off nine months, I think it was. Should have been back after three. No, but not at all. Not at all. I think it is, do you know what, I think it is such a personal choice. I genuinely think what's right for one woman will be different and it'll be right for another woman. I took off not enough time with my first, and then I regretted it to some degree, and I took off, I allowed myself mentally the permission to take a bit more time with the subsequent other two. And I think it's a completely personal choice, and it depends on what stage you're at in your life as well, whether you want to take more or less. I don't know, maybe if Patrick agreed to stay at home, Emily, then you could be a full-time working woman. I'm not sure how that would work out. He doesn't really know how to do the washing and the cleaning, the cooking either. But yeah, I mean, although looking back actually at those first few weeks, I think George was two weeks old when I brought him into the studio to speak to Eamon and Anne, I think it was, to welcome him to, he was teeny tiny. Yeah, I think I was still very much, yeah, very much postpartum. Oh no, I loved the time I took off. I took almost two years off with my daughter because I'd saved a whole heap of money and thought, well, I'll just use this to look after myself. Right, money bags over there. Well, you know, I worked really hard and I'd always been self-employed. So, you know, when you're self-employed, you save for a rainy day because any time the rain can come in. So, you know, you always have to have quite a bit there. So, I took two years off, looked after my daughter. That's when I set up my business business and it was just wonderful. I see you were still doing business deals. I was, yeah, but I had this little Citroen C1, which I've only just recently got rid of because it actually died the day before my Range Rover arrived. I think it knew, but it actually died 15 years, 200,000 miles on the clock. I take it to garages, they go, and I said, I'll just say, hey, one careful lady But anyway, so it died and we used to call that the Postman Pat car and she'd be my black and white cat because she's mixed race. So, we'd drive along in Postman Pat, Postman Pat, Postman Pat, any black and white cat and she'd go, meow, meow at the window. We had so much fun for those two years. I'll never forget those. With Ivory, of course, I was so old. I just thought, I need to get a job, I need more money. Let's get back to work. So, he had about three, four months. Like you say, it's just personal. It's personal choice, isn't it? It's each to their own, each to their own. Yeah, I mean, it's quite impressive, three months. I mean, going back to do such a big job. I know. She's great. Love her. Absolutely love her. She probably had quite a lot of help though, behind the scenes, I'm sure. But I think it was a great interview with her as well. And I just think it's lovely to see. Sorry, go, Ben. No, I was just going to say, one of the things that I've been really struck by is how family friendly the White House is. And a lot of people wouldn't expect that, particularly because people say, oh, President Trump has a woman problem and all that. He is surrounded in that building by young moms, these employees, so many young moms. There's always kids running around. It's amazing. And he's very much family first. The ethos of that building is family first. So, she won't have been, I don't believe Caroline Levitt will have been under any pressure whatsoever to come back to work. I think the working environment there is very friendly towards working women. And I constantly tell that to people when they say, oh, you know, President Trump doesn't like women, does he? I was like, look at him. He's surrounded by hardworking, impressive young mothers. And he gives them the time and the permission to get the balance right. I mean, that's what we want in the real world, isn't it? Is that women can be valued for the contribution we make in the workplace, but we also value the very important job of motherhood. And somehow we're surrounded by systems that allow us to do that. Yeah, I don't think he's got a woman problem. And I actually watched this fantastic little clip on YouTube or one of those social media platforms of him and Melania and them over the years, how they've developed in their relationship. It was the most beautiful thing. And if you watch the way he is towards her, yeah. You mean they're a loving couple? I think so. I was getting frosty vibes from Melania, but perhaps that's just her background. No, she's a strong woman. If you watch some of those clips and the way he escorts her when she comes down the stairs, all that, I just think, isn't that lovely? He's a proper gent. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know about that. It's the locker room. Again, I don't know what I do with my spare time, but I don't watch clips of Melania and Donald. That's what I need to do. I need to start watching more YouTube. That's what I've learned. It's the Facebook scrolling, the algorithm I end up scrolling. I do enjoy things like that. I love that. Well, I'll tell you something that I enjoyed today that I did find the time to watch. And I think it's a nice way to almost sign off. And don't get me wrong, just to caveat this, I do not think car crashes are funny. But on this one occasion, I do have to tell you that this did make me laugh because Nigel Farage posted this video. He was out and about on the streets of Britain. And this lady, who obviously didn't like Nigel Farage very much, decided to wind her window down and tell him exactly what she thought of him. Well, look at what happened next. We'll just send a couple of people out. She won't be doing that again, will she? Yeah, well, that's how it is. You know, that's like when people insult you on social media and spell everything wrong, isn't it? So, you know, I don't know, did she get her just desserts? Hopefully nobody was injured in that. She was just so proud of herself. I can imagine the heat going through her body. Sorry, I've watched that a few times and it has made me laugh, I do confess. Well, it is hilarious. Well, that's it from us, actually. So, thanks for watching. This has been GB Mums for GB News Originals. We will see you next time. But don't forget to subscribe and like. But before we go, we must wish happy birthday to Emily Carver. Enjoy the rest of your day. Thank you. And nice to see you again as well, Bev. Nice to see you all. Bye. See you soon, guys. See you next time.