UD & Mike Debate The Knicks And Timberwolves Trade with Victor Oladipo

I'm glad we're talking basketball. Thank god. It's about to be basketball season. I know. I'm for sure. Let's talk. Let's talk about some NBA headlines. Alright, let's get it. Let's get it. You are first episode of season two. Here we go. First episode of season two. Yes. Alright. So, cat trade. We ain't talk. We ain't talk since the cat trade now. Alright. I got some. Alright, talk to me. You want me to go first? Yeah, I want you to go first for sure. You stood up. You you might have to take the glasses off. He look like he about a glass to take off. I don't think either. I don't think that trade makes either one of them a championship contender. But I do think if you look at the trade, I think Minnesota got the better of that trade. Oh, wow. Yes, I do. Um they lost Hardenstein. Mm hmm. They lost DiVincenzo. They're glues leaving in it. And they lost Randall. Mm hmm. They lost toughness. And they gave up a draft pick. Once you get in those playoffs, you know this better than I do. Ain't nobody running the intersection of Puerto Rico. Hey, man, you gotta stop. Ain't nobody running the intersection of Puerto Rico. I ain't tricking you. Listen, I ain't tricking you. I ain't tricking you. You know what I'm running. You know it's coming. Stop it. You're right about that. So, you need the heart. You're right about that. Skill set. Cat sit at the top of the list. Heart, you might be in the middle. And that's not a knock on him. It's not a knock on him. Everybody don't have to be the tough guy. Everybody don't gotta be the lightning in the bottle guy. Mm hmm. That just might not be his thing. That's not his role. Yeah, that's not his thing. But you lost a lot of toughness. When you lost Hartenstein to OKC. When you lost Miranda in the trade and when you lost Diva. You saw you saw another day. Do you see that? I ain't that. I ain't the one. If it was you. This what you get. Whatever you said to him. Like that. So listen. That matters dog. Trust me. A **** like that. Diva. I don't even know the ****. 70s. 7 days a week and twice on Sunday. Come on with me. He he he coming. Yeah. I'm I'm with you. So you don't think. I know Randall is a bull in a china shop. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? You don't think they go back to the Western Conference finals? Minnesota. Minnesota. No, I do but I say I don't think it makes them a championship. OK, you know, I don't think that. He thinks he thinks that one doesn't think he pushes him over the edge. Yeah, I don't think that I don't think that makes either one of them win at all. OK, OK. But I do think if you're looking at it, I would say that Minnesota got the better of that. OK, yeah. OK. Which by the way. But by the way, if you're right, if you're right. Ain't no if. If you're right, which you probably are because I'm going to give you credit. I am right. OK, you're right. I watch a lot of basketball. But but with that being said, that's an unbelievable job by Tim Conley then because he the reason he did it was financial. A lot of it probably. I would assume. A great job. Yeah. Because he couldn't trade Rudy. That go to the Western Conference finals don't make moves to get better. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Just like the Florida Panthers. Yeah. By the way, the championship for the Panthers. But he did. Went to the Stanley Cup two years ago. Lost and made moves to get better and came back and won the next year. Most of the time when you get there, all you say is let's run it back. I was just I was just saying that. Like he was he was in a to me. It was a unique spot because if you say he won the trade and he easily could have, I mean it's always going to be fun to see. Who knows what that draft pick they got. I know. I guess what I'm saying is like he he had to do it financially because Cat had always like on the books, they're going to get killed financially. So he had to make those kind of moves too now. You know what I mean? So it's it's interesting how he did that. Listen killer. That sound good. But if the cat was guaranteed to take them to the championship, you pay that tab. You get your 100%. 100%. So clearly the financial moves was based off. I'm saying I'm winning. I'm saying that's that's what you're you're playing. You're playing chess now. We ain't winning. We're playing chess now. That's what he said. We ain't winning with this. Yeah. You said it. Nah. You got it. I don't know about the rest of the team but you got at least three **** on that squad. They're going to let their nuts hang. Mm hmm. Anthony Edwards ain't no **** dog. I mean ain't no punk. You're a dog. Yeah. Devin Chenzo is a **** dog and Randall is a dog. Mm hmm. That **** matters. I like matters in the finals. I think I I I actually hear and I'm listening to what he says and a lot of it is true. Okay. I think I think Cat going there plays better off of Brunson. Brunson's a ball dominant guy. Julius Randall's a ball dominant guy. Cat's more of a catch and shoot three unfortunately. They're trying to put him in that post a little bit. So I think the Knicks got better. I I'm with him. I don't think it pushed him but I think you know Brunson and Julius Randall when they played their best basketball Julius Randall's actually hurt. Yes. Yeah. So like Julius Randall's a great talent. Brunson's obviously a great talent. Both ball dominant guys. Like I think Brunson and Cat can play off each other a lot better than Julius Randall and Jalen Brunson can. Man. But. You talking. It's the truth. We talking about X's and O's. And you getting a seven game series in the playoffs. Can I start off by saying I actually listen to what he said. I think and I think he's right. Damn Steve Kirk. If you do this and move that around in this **** all that. So hold on. Hold on. Okay. Let me let me let me let me hit you one back. You don't you don't think that Cat and and and Brunson are better paired up than Julian Julius Randall and Brunson? I do. I do. Okay. I think they're better paired up. Yeah. We can both be right. Yeah. We can both be right. At the end of the day **** all the big the better pair. I don't give a **** about the better pair. That **** gonna win. That **** gonna get it done. I I I I agree with you though. I don't think if either moves it over I just think that. And once again. This is what we do all the time. Trust me. Taking away from the trade. Missing Hartenstein is gonna hurt them. Bro, right when you said it. Promise you. He was a great piece. They removed all the Elmer's glue from the scenarios. Hartenstein. Yes. DiVincenzo. Like they just the glues. Those are the guys bro let me tell you something. Those are the guys that might not get the praise. Hey if anyone values those type of guys. Exactly. Exactly. Those are the guys that might not get the praise but those are the guys that you can't win without. Yeah. I'm telling you bro. You those guys you need those **** guys in your locker room. And I know a lot of the times you might get frustrated with Julius Randall on offense and **** like that. But I bet that **** got heart. No he a dog. I'm I'm just telling you like again I'm I'm in the same I actually listen to it. I think I think you're right on a lot I'm just saying to me when they were playing their best basketball it was with space with Jalen Brunson. It doesn't mean that they're not like I always I hate that when they say oh he sucks. No there's not a good like to me they're both ball dominant people. Yes. Julius Randall is going to dribble it downhill. I agree. You know what I mean? Like that's how he plays. I agree. Once once team's playing for Jalen who who who else is the playmaker? That's that that's that that's another good take. So that's that's because Julius Randall was an elite playmaker too. So that's that's a that's a great take. He's going to carry a ton of load throughout the year. Oh yeah. And he's going to have to still be fresh come playoff time if I want to make. That's the trick. So that's the trick. And then with the Timberwolves yeah they traded Cat but they still got Nas Reid. Yeah Nas Reid's nice. Nas Reid's nice. So. He's a big Nas Reid fan. He's a Nas Reid guy. He's good. He is good. He is. He's he's been calling that for a while. The give and take we going to see. No no no. So who you think? What you think Vic? Um. Who you think? If you had to choose. I would have I would have to go to with the Wolves. I think the Wolves got better. And they still have a draft pick out of that. Yeah. But here's here's what I like about it because of what you said about toughness and stuff. I think you can go you can get away with playing Nas and Julius Randle together. And then when Rudy goes down like you can do that like they like if you saw the playoffs a lot of times even it was they're taking Cat out defensively and leaving Rudy you know what I mean and let Nas play that. So now you put Julius like you're you guys are like you're speaking good language. I I'm just saying like I think that really does it looks good. Or you go or you go like you say you go Nas and and Randle and you got five. That's what I'm saying. You're switching one through five. You eliminate all Yep. One of the bigger storylines to me I think in this one too is is Klay going to Dallas. Yeah. And and the reason to me we've had this conversation already. The reason it is is because I think Klay's like as good as he is it's going to be interesting to see how he fits in this new role. Yeah. He's used to ball movement, pitch chase, Steve Kerr, blah blah blah. Like he just talked about. But you know but but it's fair. Like now and now when he goes to it's going to be Kyrie. It's going to be Luca. Angle pick and roll. Yes. Getting where you're fitting, right? Like now, I think I think Jason Kidd will do a pretty good job of understanding how he could like find minutes there. But I'm interested to see if he becomes just a catch and shoot corner three guy or not. I mean, I mean, I think he ain't gonna have no choice but to. It's gonna be interesting. That's why I said it's gonna be an interesting storyline. I tell you this. You want something bad enough? You do whatever you gotta do. You're right. You're right about that. From what I read and paid attention to. The way Clay left Golden State. Mm hmm. Wasn't very happy the way it ended. Healthy hate. That can be a healthy motivation. No, listen. I'm telling you. The man was he's very upset about how things ended there. He wasn't happy about how that ended. He talked about his last couple years and how he just wasn't happy playing basketball and all these different things and now he's getting a breath of fresh air dog but once again, I know it's a different role but if you frustrated and I pissed you off bad enough and you just wanna show people you can still play and you wanna win, you do what you gotta do. Yeah. And you'll show people what you gotta do to win. So, I know it's gonna be an adjustment for him but I think he wants to win bad enough. I think he wants to show people bad enough that he can still play. He still got some **** in the tank. He'll make the adjustments that he needs to make. Yeah, he also said recently, he wants to go back to being a better defender which I think is important too for their team because you know, if you get stops, that creates more possessions. So, you get out, you get Luke and Kyrie out in transition where they can't set defense, you might as well cancel Christmas. It was a time when Clay was one of the best two-way players. Oh, but man. No, no, remember that. Like this, this one. My storyline with this one is not about his like obviously he's aging and everyone always has to come and have that conversation. Everyone has to take on a different role when you age, right? Yeah, that's what that's and he's had injuries to deal with but mine is that mine's more he's played in one system his entire career. Yes. And that system has was perfectly set for those guys. And those two, yeah. You know what I mean? Like and so now he's going to and again, I'm not saying he can't do it. I think it's going to be interesting to see how it how it how it works because. How it plays out. He's going to go from always pitching and chasing. The man had 30 points and three dribbles. You know what I mean? Like in a half. So, that's like that. Yeah. You know what I mean? So, it's going to be interesting to see how that plays out. I'm I'm really intrigued. Me too. Any other storylines you guys got going in the season because you know, we're right here guys. I mean, this is this is a great time in basketball. I got a question for you. Alright. What y'all going to do? Oh, I already told you. It's on. Huh? It's on. Yeah, he got a he got the right mentality. It's on. It's on. It's on. Yeah. Okay. That's healthy. He healthy. He's healthy as they can be man. He he's he's ready. That team's going to be that team's going to be fun to watch too. I'll be honest. I like Zach. Zach's going to be perfect for him. I like that. Moves Jaron Jackson to his natural position again where he can be who he is. Dez, you know the guys like they got. Marcus Smart healthy. Marcus Smart guard is the best player. Every like they like at the end of the day like they had a big off season without even doing really anything besides drafting Zach because everyone got healthy. Yes. Dez didn't play many games last year. Marcus Smart didn't play. Jaron Jackson played about forty like so they have a whole basically a whole new team without really doing anything besides drafting Zach number nine. Yeah. It's going to be fun. I I think it's going to be fun. I'm looking forward to watching. It's going to be fun too. It's going to be fun. He's he's he's motivated though man like he's on that **** like he's like you know and that's how he's always been though so it's going to be fun to watch. Sleepers in the east and west. Sleeper teams. I mean I don't know if you call Orlando Sleeper but that's my I think I think they can be. I like their team. I I mean that's I've been preaching Orlando for the last year. What about in the west? I love the coach and obviously I love the young talent and I think you know bringing in Carlwell Pope's going to help because they need. Oh yeah. I did get him too. Yeah. The only thing they lack was a little bit of leadership. Yeah. A little bit of leadership. We had a bunch of young guys that wanted to play the right way, wanted to do the right things. You got a good coach that they relate to and they listen to. Yeah. And need a little bit of veteran leadership. And you know this. We're talking about a championship caliber. Yeah. Caliber. Yeah. Yeah. No. That was a that was an elite pick up. Yeah. Yeah. That was a great show. And then you put on top of it like they all went through that seven game series last year. Like these guys. Yeah. Like that's a huge difference walking this year. Yes. As long as you use that to what you like everyone's building for the right thing. I think they're going to be really really dangerous in the west. West. Sacramento. Really? DeMar DeRozan. You like that one? I brought in DeMar DeRozan. I love DeMar. Yeah. And Darian Fox. I know I think he turned down an extension or something like that. Mm hmm. Um I've always loved his game and I think after they lit the beam up a couple years ago last year it was a little disappointing for them. Mm hmm. They also get uh Malik Monk back healthy who they lost last year. Yeah. Uh to some injuries towards the end of the season. So Sacramento I think will be and I think if I'm not mistaken they're looking possibly to make more moves. They might not be done yet. Oh wow. You know what I'm saying? So um and I like Mike Brown. I like Joe. Yeah. Uh who you got? My sleeper in the west. That's good. That's a good one. I think they get in there. Good. The west is tough now. I think uh team is like one move from being contenders. I would have to probably pick New Orleans. Uh it's an interesting one too. They're one one move away. I think they need to center. Yeah. I read something the other day that said they're playing Herb Jones at center. Was that for real? I saw that too. I think that's a joke. That can't be real. No, I think that's I mean no disrespect to Herb Jones. Hell of a defender. Gritty, hard nose. Yeah, he's not a center. That five is a he's not a center. He's not a center. Yeah. Uh but I would agree with you. I like I think Phoenix is going to be better this year. Ooh. I think Phoenix is going to be better. They have to be. Yeah, they ain't got no choice but I think they better. I think Tyrus Jones helps them. I think my um Mason Plumley helps them. Um and my sleeper in the east is definitely Orlando as well. So we on the same page here. Let's think about a healthy heat. Um oh the healthy Miami Heat. Always got a healthy heat. Always got a chance. Always got a chance. I mean that roster's that roster's always got a chance. Always got a chance. Yeah. With with Jimmy, Bam, Tyler, and Smo, and Pat, you always got a chance to win. I'm intrigued. It's it's not I don't think they're a sleeper but I'm super super intrigued second year with Emay and uh Houston. Oh yes yes. Yes. I am too. It's going to be interesting to see how man they that that it's like the Orlando of last year that talents in year two or three now. Yeah. Like are you guys going to be real or not? I mean Sangoon, Jalen Green, Men Thompson, they just wrapped Reed, Van Fleet. Van Fleet. Like are you guys going to be for real or not? Yeah. Because at some if if you're not Jabari Smith like they they like they're they're that Orlando of last year. Yeah. And with and with Emay because now defense is becoming a priority and no it's starting to sink in like I'm very intrigued with seeing that. I don't I don't know what it's going to look like but you're going to know in twenty games. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that one's not going to just sneak up on you. Might know in ten. I think. Yeah, you might know in ten. But it's good. I I'm I'm serious. Like it's it's that it's that Orlando of last year kind of like you're going to make a decision next summer. Are we going to take that next step and try to get KCP? Yeah. You know what I mean? Like that's where I think they're going. Yeah. And I I hope that is because I think Emay did a great job last year. Yes, he did. Um. Yeah, he did. And their talent got better but now it's like any team. Yeah. That and who we paying? Yeah. Oh yeah. When you got thirty-seven top ten picks over there now. Like who we paying? Yeah. At thirty-seven. It's it's literally like what OKC did the year we beat. Yeah we played it. Yes. Then James Hart like you have to start making that decision. What's your four? What's it look like? Yeah. I think it's going to be interesting because all those guys and plus on top of that and that's why veteran leadership in the locker room is so important. Yeah. It's all those guys are going to be talked about in trade talk. Twenty games in. Yeah. Because we didn't okay if we don't if they don't they don't extend right now who's eligible for extension? Jalen Green's eligible for extension. Yeah. Alright so it's coming up on that deadline. If those guys don't get extended they're going to be in trade talks all the time. Who's going to be the call me factor in that locker room? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean? So but that talent there is going to be bananas. I'm telling you. Because I love him in Townsend. I mean he didn't talk about it. OKC. Oh yeah. Oh. We did not talk about OKC. I don't think there's a surprise no more though. I mean there's not a surprise. Yeah I don't think there's a sleeper no more. We made some nice additions. Yes. Oh yeah. Defensively they're going to be you know what I mean? They were already elite but they get even better now. But Caruso, Ludor, like that wing defender. And I'm telling you. Hart and Stein. Yeah. Hart and Stein. They're going to be good bro. Yeah. OKC will be. I forgot about that. Yeah they're going to be good. Yeah I mean that's that'll be fun to watch. They're going to be fun to watch. They're going to be fun to watch. And this is the difference because EMA is implementing that in Houston but you have a group of young guys that play the right way on both ends of the floor in OKC and that's hard to get. No doubt. That is hard to get. Twenty-two, twenty-three, twenty-one-year-old guys that play the right way on both ends of the floor. They know they are. They figured that out with OKC. It's going to be really really like that team's going to be really really interested too because like we just talked about with Houston they're going to have to figure out who they're paying there too. Yeah. Oh yeah in OKC too huh? Yeah Jalen Williams, Chad Holmgren, Shea, Caruso's probably going to get back. Like okay. I I I know I know but none of that. I know who better get paid. I know. I know who better get paid. I know but you but you. Shea and Jalen. Oh you know. They better get paid. I know. It's only two I see go go to work and don't sweat. Him and Shea. He a 30. He a 30 and they cool as a fan out there. They ain't even sweat. He used to do that too. He's the only two go for 30 and ain't even sweating out there. I ain't tell you though. We my my Nigerian brother. I did my ancestry. Okay. Okay. Oh my brother is with us tomorrow. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. Yeah. I gotta show you my **** afterwards. It makes sense. I'm all kind of Nigerian. It makes sense. Yeah.