DUAL Commentary with Indypride! - Battle 2/3 (Massive Battles)

Hey, what's up guys? This is Oakley and we're doing a 3v3 battle again mostly with the same opponents But I'm gonna be here as the Seleucids on the far left in the center Attila the great is playing as Syracuse now He's not in the commentary. Hopefully we'll have him join us in a later game, but he also has a YouTube channel We'll link that below and then Indy is gonna be on the right with Bactria he as well has a YouTube channel, but he is here in person So, you know, we'll link that and this will probably be on his channel as well. What's going on guys? Okay, so yeah Duke Elios is gonna be on Egypt over on their right flank in the middle is gonna be Sith frozen Playing Rome with a pre Marian army That's actually gonna be quite tanky and survivable which kind of surprised me But we'll talk about that later on and then across from me is Jankerdoodle his army is mostly hidden, but he is going to be on Epirus and Yeah, I guess my deployment is a little odd I've been getting that flack from a lot of people online because I know a lot of people Just are used to deploying in normal lines Pikes skirmishers cab in the back, whatever. I don't know for some reason. I've never really liked doing that So I always have my guys piecemeal and I had The Roman player they're gonna actually switch and he's gonna face off against me That's gonna be frozen and he actually said he'd watched a couple of my videos and you'll see how he's gonna answer to my place But anyways, let's get this under the way Three two one press play and let's get into it So yeah Epirus for right now is completely hidden by the trees and what I wanted to do is just push up on the right flank kind of up near the Red line with my cavalry because Bactria one good thing about them is that they have probably the best combination of cavalry in the game You can bring the battery noble horse Which are probably the most cost-effective and really strong melee cavalry in the game and then the cataphracts and then of course the battery Cavalry so they have a really good combination of cavalry and I should be able to beat whatever Epirus throws at me and then I'm just gonna kind of move up to the edge of the trees and see what happens while We see if Epirus actually reveals his army deployment, right? Yeah, cuz one thing we're worried about was having elephants again, which were present in that last battle We did a commentary on didn't get too many kills. But when you're dealing with elephants, they're always a wild card and Yeah, I'm gonna be moving up a little bit piecemeal on the left a little wary about what's going on So I'm just position myself and we're kind of waiting for the decisive blow I think what we learned from the last battle is not to engage too quickly So we're gonna try and find a decisive point in the battle where we can take the advantage and land You know the the aggressive decisive blow. So I think in this battle We're gonna take more of an offensive role than in the last one Yeah, it's kind of weird for me because as as bacteria and with these four Persian light archers, which are ridiculously good archers I'm kind of in a weird position because shooting into the trees I'm not gonna make very much impact and again, I can't see of any Epirus's units right now So I was kind of at a I wasn't really sure what to do but pretty soon here Epirus is actually gonna pull out of the out of the Trees right now and he's gonna move his cavalry up to the red line as well and there will be a catfight there Relatively soon, but we'll talk more about that when that actually occurs at the moment. It looks like Achilles is just gonna move his pipeline up and you wanted to make sure that you didn't get double team We were kind of afraid of that Egypt and Rome just running at Oakley and taking him off the field So until he's gonna kind of preempt that and make sure that doesn't happen Yeah, like I had said a little bit before is frozen who's playing as Rome. He told me after this He he watched videos of mine. So I guess what he was figuring this battle He wanted he wanted to face me. So I think he called out a shift or an exchange So he's me switching positions with Egypt and we're like, oh what the hell is going on here? We're worried. They're gonna double team me and push forward So that's why I'm a really spread out position and then we're gonna have Attila push in the center with his archers to take advantage Of some of this disruption, but at the same time we're also calling out what's going on on the right Which is a huge development in terms of cab there's going to be a big catfight here a decisive catfight is kind of going to Dictate the pace at least of my fight with Epirus and this was very interesting and one thing that I don't like about this patch At all, and you'll see as we go into melee combat I'm going to get charges on each one of these units the mercenary Italian cab the Hellenic Royal Cavalry and the Thessalian cab now I was arguing with shank a doodle about whether he actually countercharged with his Hellenic Royal Cavalry I guess we'll figure out in a couple of seconds But he's not going to counter charge with the Thessalians at all And then I'm going to charge him with the cataphracts and let's see if he actually counter charge Just sitting there for a second, but the cataphracts are getting close now But I'll talk about what I don't like about this cab fight in a second. We'll see if he actually okay It didn't chart. Okay. Yeah, he he countercharged, but it there was no momentum So if that actually counts as a full charge, that's kind of bullcrap. But anyway, he did actually click an attack order What I don't like about the new patch is the fact that male engagements last so long and in some ways It's a really good thing in this case It's gonna be bad because he got terrible charges off with all of his cavalry But I'm not going to decisively crush his cavalry very quickly And that's gonna give him time to send in a bunch of spears and stuff Then on previous patches would have never made it in time If this was patch 14 or patch 13 His cavalry would have been dead right off the bat because they didn't charge They would have lost all their men like right off the bat instead. I got clean charges off on his Thessalian cavalry They're only at half strength like a minute after I engaged and this Hellenic Royal Cavalry has only lost 15 men So I'm not gonna be able to break through and quickly take his cavalry off the field Which is really annoying and it's gonna give us the royal spears time to get in a melee and cut down some like cataphracts Which sucks? Yeah, it's a problem because we're at the red line. So Indy's having a hard time to sweep around He fixed them got some good kills and now he's gonna have to deliver the coup de grace where he's coming in from the back But like he said, there's already some spears in the mix dealing some some pretty good kills so far Actually just two I shouldn't say that preemptively but they will though. Yeah, they look they're gonna be a problem So yeah, it just sucks cuz like I took a really good calf fight I outplayed him in the calf fight and he's still gonna have plenty of time to send in a bunch of spears to hurt me So that was frustrating and if we want to look back in the center as things have developed Egypt and Rome have Successfully switched positions and frozen is gonna be pushing up with the pretty bitch to big detachment. He's gonna be forcing me back My cavalry scared away and then in the center We're gonna decide to accept this fight push the advantage and our opponents are gonna fall back to the forest So that's not a place we want to be especially with the Epirotes right here in this forest getting some shots up against us Yeah, so actually he did manage to get a Tarantino cavalry around the flank and try to get into my Persian light archers But that's really not gonna be an issue because we have pikes and hot place and stuff and then I'll it'll quickly get rid of The upper Epirote Tarantino calf and then I'm gonna get some help from the mercenary companion calf of my buddy It's a little bit great from Syracuse. That's really gonna help me I keep trying to pull out of these damn spears and mercenary Italian swordsmen and I was legitimately screaming in Skype I was like, I'm pulling out how many times you have to tell him to pull out and they keep going in So I've been hearing from some people that Calvary isn't as sticky as they were on previous patches that they won't get pulled in That's not true at all You will you have to give lots of movement orders to get them out of melee fight So like one or two of my guys in the entire unit was getting stuck and it kept the entire unit in the fight Yeah, yeah, so now Egypt's gonna commit some of his Egyptian Calvary and also send a Ptolemaic have and we're gonna notice that and The Attila's gonna send his Syracuse and companion calf in there That's actually not gonna be a great fight for them because they don't have a bonus first Calvary and the Ptolemaic have got a full Trample charge off But again, I'm gonna pull my cataphract unit out and a battery in rural Calvary and then charge them straight into this Ptolemaic Have which again the fight will take a while, but I'm going to get a clean trample charge off So I should also be able to clean up that male engagement as well Yeah, so this is gonna be escalating quickly more and more hoplites being fed, but we're slowly winning this It's just not at the pace. We'd want it to be and you can see us committing more guys more mercenary companion calf coming over Let's go ahead and switch over to the other side where I'm being pressed back in the center So I have managed to get two median cavalry units into the back of our enemy formation. That's gonna be very crucial I'm gonna let them sit there just to threaten the back of the Romans. That'll be very important later Right on the left that that's contradictory Right over here on the left I have camel spearmen and a Hellenic cavalry shooting this gap and I have my opponent fixed up in two positions On the right with thorax swordsman and then on the left against the rail spears I'm gonna get one charge with the Hellenic calf and my camels are gonna nope on right out of there There's a little scared of that But those Hellenic guys are gonna land a decisive strike on the Príncipe's and then pull out of there So I'm kind of wary of Rome and they're gonna be landing an all-out attack in the center with the backup of Ptolemaic calf So you can see them here trampling over my guys. They're gonna get back up But again, they're very good at landing these precision strikes on our archers decisively all at once So, there we go. They clean up my archers. My archers had only gotten 16 kills One of them is already broken. Another one is now routing. So they were very good at landing those strikes However, it does sort of backfire in the sense that we're gonna get some counter charges again Attila is very good at responding to this and he's gonna get a counter charge on that so I think it was too much of a Greedy move on our opponents part, but they are pressing the advantage in the center and the Roman forces are moving up You can see how I'm not committing too many guys to this battle But frozen is just gobbling up my guys one piece at a time So I know I won't be able to beat Rome and I got to wait for the rest of the battle to develop Yeah, and over here on my side the melee engagement has started with Epirus and I have a bunch of help from Attila he sent some mercenary veteran hoplites and some other units as well with their companion calves. So we are engaged here It's in the woods So my archers are not quite as effective as I'd like them to be but they're still getting some decent shots off on the Royal Peltast and I Finally broken the cavalry up there and given the fact that I got those free charges off It just took way too long But I'm going to be able to get my Hellenic counter-attacks into melee combat and as soon as I do that Epirus is gonna be pretty much screwed because Trample charge into the back of Royal Peltast. They are completely dead after that charge And again, I'm gonna get another charge directly into this Royal Peltast and that's at half strength They're gonna try to brace and you're gonna see he actually has shield wall, but it's not gonna matter I'm just gonna charge right through it Ridiculously powerful charge. I don't know how many we'll see how many I killed in a couple seconds But keep them in melee combat. They were at 75. I took yeah about 40 men off that charge and they were braced So they're dead and Epirus is pretty much There's no resistance left from him. So I noticed that I'm like, okay Well engagement over with Egypt and Rome is not going super well for Oakley So gotta get my guys over there as soon as I possibly can Yeah and my cavalry who are hanging out in the back now push through they Basically came in slaughtered some of the rear Roman guys and now they're just causing chaos in this mix counter charging The back of exposed pikes disengaging and they're just trying to hit all these blobs where I'm engaged piecemeal with the Romans You can see almost everywhere. They're sandwiched between some unit and now incoming cavalry But again, that's just a piecemeal approach Frozen found a really good way to oppose my strategy of not having a big front Which is just to send piecemeal units at me and let them just you know Use them to maximum effect and just keep the fire on from the back And so I'm kind of getting picked apart one at a time So I'm really gonna need help which is what you're starting to see arrive from the east Yeah And it's gonna take me a while because all my Calvary is exhausted as you guys know they were starting The fight at the beginning they were the first troops to get into melee combat So being exhausted my Calvary is gonna take a very long time to get over there And then of course my pikes will as well because their pikes their infantry They're gonna take a long time to run this far So at the moment, it's just gonna be Attila and Oakley in the melee engagement and actually the Egyptian player Duke Elegos is doing a very good job of shooting your Medallion Calvary and Hurting a lot of your calf because if he takes the mobility off the field It becomes very easy for them as long as you keep your Medallion and your cataphracts alive Then that kind of force charging in from the rear could cause a ton of damage and maybe cause a master out But if he's able to get that Calvary off the field things change and you don't have very much melee Infantry left at all at this point. Yeah, I have some camels charging right at the opponent one one. Oh my god Yeah, they got shredded. I didn't quite catch it, but I'm seeing them now and they have tiny armor so auxiliary Syrian archers are gonna kill them with the volley and Also camels aren't gonna beat them in melee combat anyway, so But you had to come in I'm like you if you see them charging the archers like you might as well try to take them Off the field. Yeah, and my Hellenic cataphracts are now gonna make their getaway. I'm trying to save them to the last moment I'd still have some median cap. We're gonna go straight for this blob right here. I'm pushing in the remainder of my units I'm just trying to sequester the Romans force them back and then charge these blobs where I've been able to Force the Romans to you know again get pinned on me. I'm gonna just try and secure this flank However, my own Hellenic cataphracts are tired. You'll see me as I try and push across the rear of this force I didn't actually know this but the Syrians are gonna turn around and I thought they were facing the front sort of made the most Sense to me, but they're gonna concentrate all their fire on actually my Hellenic cataphracts and those guys are gonna be going down super quick yeah, and and Duke Elios really did do a good job with his archers of focusing down the cavalry because he realized that if we weren't Getting hammer and ambles off it'd be a much harder fight because that's how you beat Rome you Tied him down with maybe some cheap units or or any units that can actually go toe-to-toe with them in melee And then you hit them from the rear of cataphracts But if he's able to take those cataphracts off the field things suddenly get way harder And actually Rome was doing that as well because he has some of the auxiliaries Syrian archers So I'm finally starting to get into or get close to the fight and actually a bunch of my archers finally got here So I'm gonna shoot into the blob of Romans right here and gonna be able to do a lot of damage The problem is there are a lot of units and they're all pretty heavily armored So while I can help him in this melee fight a lot He still has more than enough to beat the melee units that are here at the moment Yeah, I just have Levy pikemen in the mix who are you know, they already have 75 kills against Romans That's good, but they're gonna crack pretty soon. And my other unit thorax swordsman who got 57 kills. They're gonna be breaking pretty soon Thank goodness. We have Attila who's here basically to supply the the shock troops to absorb the impact in the front and then yeah Back sure is coming in here like Indy said with the archers to get some more shots and you can see my cataphracts tried To land a sneaky attack in the back, but they paid for it Those archers diverted all their attention just to knock me out and now they're reengaging Decent move because if they didn't, you know, I would have charged and probably killed him But I think those archers would have been better served Counteracting everything we're doing pushing the front and he could have just left one pike to to fend off my really tired cataphracts. Yeah The problem right now for us is these Korean archers They're actually they haven't really made their presence felt super like felt a lot yet because they only have like 50 kills or so But I remember being very annoyed because I kept trying to commit my half-strength cavalry units into the fights And then he would just focus fire with his archers. So it was kind of scary and actually I'm looking at your Royal Peltast now They're legitimately completely surrounded and your generals probably already dead at this point. Yeah, he was still hanging in there So actually he is alive. I see him Yeah, he was pretty good. I used him at the last minute to pop some abilities. I gave my guy second wind So that's why he's not exhausted So actually that's the Strategist general whatever it's called That's actually pretty good instead of the fear general if you can get your guys back up to full strength, you'll see here That's why I'm able to hold out for so long And only just now gonna start cracking but he got a lot of kills cuz I could do battle rhythm Which gives you better stats and then once you're tired, you just follow that up with a second one. Yeah, so Yeah, I mean your Royal Peltast lasted a long time there They got like 250 kills or so, which is really nice. And finally my Calvary's here I actually shifted them over from this side and brought them around because I thought that killing the Romans would be a more important thing The problem is again, they're exhausted. So they're running about as fast as infantry units do so everything I do now Just takes a long long time I'm gonna commit my pike units in the middle here Behind the mercenary veteran hoplites of Attila and we're just gonna try to do as much damage as we can to these Roman We got we the biggest thing right now is tying all these Roman infantry units down And so that's exactly what we're gonna try to do get the thorax pikeman up here He's gonna engage from the front, which he didn't have to do That's a big mistake But now my cataphracts and battery roll Calvary are gonna try to get rear charges off and now you can see a Duke elegos focusing them down with his archers and that was annoying for me cuz I was like really when I get this trample charge off and I do I do a lot of damage But I'm not gonna have much Calvary out for this at all Yeah, I can see you already positioning your archers For vengeance, I see you have his archers targeted Charging from the other side with a pretty healthy Calvary unit So we were all in team chat calling these guys out like I want their heads So this is gonna be the last couple moments. Yeah, I think his generals bodyguard. No, I'm not sure a general might be alive I can't really tell actually but the generals unit is still alive But I think his generals actually dead at this point But we are finally getting the mercenary companion cav and a pace Lancers into a threatening position in the back and they're gonna do Something I used to love on Shogun to it's just plopping some Yara Yes, you gar some cheap spears in the back of your line just to ward off enemy of Calvary and instead of Yara Yes, you gar. Oh, it's Egyptian piping this time So that Calvary can't actually get committed yet. And this is a really close mailing engagement. This could still go either way for sure Yeah, we just know the killing power of these Roman forces But now we finally get some more guys and it looks like I think yeah, you're getting one of your Hellenic Yeah through the art You don't and I finally get to those those archers that were pissing me off this entire engagement Finally get in there and punish them some And they're gonna cause some chain routing a little bit right there And then my pikemen also broke through and we're gonna engage the principals right here who have 200 kills But things are starting to look really good for us The bounce bar is shifting in our favor and we have a complete surround off on them So that's really good from our perspective. Yeah, there's only a couple clusters and now finally Epirus gets back into the fight These are actually leftover troops who are engaged in that, you know initial Calvary charge Indy you had beat the cab and you're like **** this. I'm not staying for the hoplites I'm actually disengaged. I just ran away from them. So they actually got if you look at their kills Well, that one's 24. The other one's 64. So they were starting to rake up the kills against your cavalry So is that is a good idea to boogie on out of there? Yeah I'm not actually sure if any of his hoplites ever made it into my Calvary I know the Toreo Spears did and those were what we're killing my cab at the beginning but yeah his hoplites were in the melee engagement and I was like I Mean my pipes don't need to stay here for this like these hoplites aren't gonna make an impact on this battle because they take so Long to get away. So I think Yanka or Janka might have been a little bit slow in Running them over here because theoretically my pikes weren't very far ahead of them So he should have been able to keep them in step with my pikes and get them engaged earlier, but it doesn't really matter He's gonna be late to the party and now we just have to clean up a little bit more Egyptian pikemen which thorax pikemen should shred in melee and then the companion cav Coming in from the rear should just cause a mass route and really we only have a couple units left to deal with at this point Yeah, and I'm over here with running my last unit trying to get kills cuz I knew I was gonna be the least MVP So I'm like, alright, I gotta get some more kills Gotta get some more kills just even the scoreboard, but you guys have I mean a pile of corpses You're gonna rack up over here Yeah, so at the moment it looks like just roam and that one hoplite are the only things that are left and we can't lose The battle at this point. There's just no way so it's just gonna be cleaning up. I Do think these hoplites are? Pretty crazy. I mean, they're just This patch has been interesting because it made hoplites crazy strong Right at the beginning of the beta patch and then there's a hot fix to make them a little bit less effective and swords a little bit more effective but they still last for a very long time and the only reason they routed right there was because The bounce bar shifted far enough in their fit in our favor that it just causes an automatic route But if that wasn't a thing in the game, those hoplites probably could lasted for another three or four minutes, which is crazy But uh, yeah looking at the stats It was I mean kills were pretty even on our side on the other side. There were some problems for their team frozen man had Legitimately twice as no more than twice as many kills as Duke Elegos and Jankidoodle had combined Which is pretty crazy considering he mostly brought you no avocado here He just brought like any set of pre-marian force Five hastati five principals and four triari back that up with the lyrics. We've got 222 kills That's a lot. That's a lot boys and girls. Yeah, so he did a good job I think Duke Elegos relied too much on the native Egyptians were pretty crappy his cab did okay. Yeah, his whole army was made up of native Egyptians, which is Not ideal. I'll just say that right now. It's it's not ideal Yeah, the Egyptian pikemen and the Egyptian infantry are both not very good now Egyptian pikemen are more Cost effective and better because they can actually in like their pikes if you would engage them from the front with sword units or something then they'll actually do damage, but we all had pikes or at least me and I Until I did so those Egyptian pikemen made absolutely no impact on the battle whatsoever. Yeah, and then Jankidoodle His cab did okay. You can see they mostly because they didn't get those chargers off just suffered as a result Yeah, his thorough spirits came back cleaned up a couple of that, you know kill discrepancy for the most part I think he just got thrashed when you guys won that flank and just crashed it on his his center yeah, his royal Peltas didn't have any any chance to make an impact on the battle because Before he actually could engage them I won the cab fight and then just the cataphracts crashed in and one Hellenic cataphract destroyed one Peltast and The other one destroyed the other so yeah, they didn't they didn't make much of an impact on the battle. Neither did his cab in fact, I'd say that's Pretty bad from his cab, but I lost more Calvary than I should have if it was another patch I would have destroyed it in seconds and been able to just wrap in and completely destroy him but I wasn't able to do that because of The patch but whatever I'm not gonna cry about it. I won. So I feel good I'm getting some solid kills. Yeah, Ian's 336 his cab did really well. I think they're most excuse me Mostly in a support role for your guys So he did good, you know He started off where he could charge cab into the back of other cab Got those kills and then once their cab was neutralized he went to town on various units so a good use of that his front line held up well and Yeah, your Persian light archers actually did did work. They did a pretty decent about yeah, they're all voice crack Yeah, we had three of them almost got a hundred kills and then one of them I don't know what happened, but they were bad. My Calvary was the biggest thing. No question I mean if your bacteria your Calvary is how you're generally gonna win most your fights and 253 kills on one cataphract 279 on the other so that's what I like to see out of my Calvary and overall I thought it was an interesting battle Lasted for a very long time and we we managed to reinforce better than our opponents and work together a little bit better So good battle. Do you have any last thoughts on anything? No, we even that up and we do have one more battle I'm not sure if we're gonna throw that up between you and I hopefully we'll be able to get until the greats commentate that but that'll Be sort of the the best of three we ended up doing. Yeah, and there was a lot of fun and I want to thank everybody for playing and Rome to patch 15 the actual DLC Emperor edition is coming out on Tuesday So I'm very excited for that and looking forward to Rome to in the future See you guys. All right. Peace out guys