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The headlines are disturbing.
Chicken washed with chlorine.
Banned chemicals in boxed mac and cheese.
Now, we settle it for good.
First, chicken. Is it safe to eat?
Three of the biggest chicken producers in America
answer these allegations about chlorine.
And...
It's my number one side dish.
Boxed mac and cheese.
There might be dangerous chemicals.
The powder involves quite a few things.
Coming up next...
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You're going to love this show
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You demanded more trust, truth, and transparency
about what's really in your food.
It's your food deconstructed.
And today, we're deconstructing...
Are you ready for this?
American chicken.
You like that?
This is something you all adore.
You enjoy it.
But lots of questions.
So, let's deconstruct this chicken.
To get started,
I'm going to get you into some scary headlines
because they're coming out of Europe
calling American chicken
Franken-chicken
and dangerously chlorinated.
But what's the truth?
Today, we're going straight to the source.
For the first time ever,
we've got Tyson,
the number one chicken producer in the world
on our stage.
We also have Purdue,
the number one producer of organic chicken.
And Bell & Evans,
who is the very first chicken producer in America.
They are all coming together under one roof here
to answer your biggest questions
about the chicken you feed your family.
How's that for transparency?
You like that?
Right in front of you,
they'll be here talking to you.
Now, these women over here
serve their chicken...
How are you guys?
They serve your family chicken all the time
and you don't know what to believe,
if I'm understanding correctly.
So, throw out a couple questions,
things you've been hearing,
things maybe bothering you.
You want to go first?
Sure.
I heard that the chicken's being chlorinated
and washed in chlorine.
I want to know if that's true
and if it is true,
is it harmful?
Yeah, why would they chlorinate chicken?
Right.
It comes up.
Go ahead.
I hear that American chicken
is illegal in Europe.
Is that true?
American chicken.
All right, so I've heard these headlines as well.
Folks, Americans consume more chicken
than any other meat.
So, we have to get to the bottom of this
and I'm sure there are many more questions.
As many as people up here
will have that many questions.
So, I'm going to start off
with these first two issues
and we'll get to the rest
as we go along.
The editor-in-chief of Cook's Illustrated,
Dan Sousa, is here.
And he's going to help me
deconstruct commercial chicken
grown in America
into its parts.
So, what exactly
is the average consumer,
the average mom,
feeding her family
when she gives them chicken?
All right, well, so we've got
this beautiful chicken here
and there are some things
that you would expect to be in there, right?
So, let's first take a look
at what you are adding to it.
So, you might add some butter.
It helps it brown on the outside.
Some spices give it a really nice flavor.
Maybe a little bit of lemon, right?
So, we know that's going in
because we're putting it in.
Pretty innocent.
But the truth of the fact is
that inside the chicken
when you buy it at the supermarket,
there's already a lot of stuff in there.
And that's what we're going
to take a look at next.
These are all the items you find.
So, they're not quite as pretty.
We're going to break them down a little bit.
So, the first thing is chicken feed.
So, what you end up eating
and what this chicken tastes like
has a lot to do with what it eats.
Most commercial chicken
eats a diet of corn and soy meal.
But there can be a lot of other things
in there as well.
So, that's one thing.
Next up, we have this kind of
salt water right here.
And this represents chicken broth,
spices, these solutions
that they pump inside of chicken.
Next up, we have antibiotics.
And so, antibiotics are given
to a lot of chickens,
not all of them,
to either treat
or even prevent diseases.
So, you'll find some traces
of antibiotics.
And then finally,
this last one here,
they can have traces of chlorine.
Let's go to this chlorine
because there were two questions
we just took about there.
You know, this chlorine issue
has become very loud
because there's a big backlash
about American chicken
and the chlorine bath
it apparently gets
before packaging.
Please explain to us,
show us first of all what it is
and then explain why they do it.
So, this right here,
we're seeing an immersion bath here
that can have some chlorine
or antimicrobials added to it.
So, when you have a lot of birds
right after slaughter
in a water bath,
you need to add some things to it
or you spread a lot of bacteria.
So, that's why they do
either this here
or spraying them.
So, the other option
other than a water bath like this
is air chilling
which some producers do.
There's no chlorine involved in that
because they're basically hung.
The birds are not touching
and they go into a very cold room.
So, in general,
you get a different product from that.
We'll talk about that a little bit more.
So, just to be clear,
the only reason
that the birds are being put
in the water bath
is to cool them down.
Exactly.
And the only reason
the chlorine is added
is to make sure
that water bath is clean.
Exactly.
So, the question then becomes
and what you're actually
over there asking me about
is, is it safe?
Does it matter
if we take this chicken
for a bath
in chlorinated water?
So, I had my medical unit
research this
and here's what they found.
You'd have to eat
about 5% of your body weight
in chlorine
washed chicken
in one day
to be exposed
to harmful levels.
So, let me put that
into perspective.
If you're a 150 pound person,
right,
you'd have to eat 7 pounds
that's this much chicken
in one day.
Now, you might think
of this as a challenge
and maybe you think
you might be able to do this.
This is a lot of chicken.
And I think most of us
probably couldn't pull that off.
And I also learned
that even if you were
to eat this much chicken,
the side effects
of the chlorine
are pretty subtle.
I mean, you don't want
to have them,
but you know,
a little nausea,
not feeling well,
but not specific things
that make me all that concerned.
So, I'm not personally
that worried about the chlorine.
So, deconstruct this for me.
Why is this making headlines
all over Europe?
So, what it really
boils down to is
I think a lot of Europeans
are afraid that what
this chlorine bath does
is it gives kind of
a free pass to farmers
to use any practices
they want
and then when it goes
into the bath,
it'll kind of
all get washed off.
Whether or not
that's true or not,
I think that's where
the fear really comes from,
that it's kind of a band-aid
on a bigger problem.
So, the bottom line for me
is that the headlines
that I'm reading about
don't match the story
that we have been following
because it does seem
like American chicken
is getting a little better.
Take a look at this.
We looked into
the anti-American
chicken headlines
and it turns out
most are coming from overseas,
specifically Great Britain.
But it might just be
a trade deal scare tactic
that has nothing
to do with your health.
That's because
the story about
American chicken
has gotten a lot better.
Fortune Magazine
reports that
commercial chicken
sold at stores
like Kroger,
Wegmans,
and Costco
is not only safe,
it's now similar
to the fancy chicken
you find at Whole Foods,
only cheaper.
And last year,
more than one
U.S. chicken producer
pledged to remove
antibiotics
from their birds.
We sent food journalist
Mark Schatzker
deep into
Maryland chicken country
to see for ourselves
how one of the
top four producers,
Purdue,
is changing the way
they raise their chickens.
Hey Mark.
How are you?
Good.
Welcome to the hatchery.
Vice President
Bruce Stewart Brown
told us Purdue
no longer uses
antibiotics
at their hatcheries.
One of the reasons
that chicken companies
might have used
antibiotics was
the fact that
the eggs coming into
the hatchery were dirty.
So how do you get
cleaner eggs?
With baby wipes,
of course.
You take a baby wipe
and just wipe that
organic material off.
It helps this egg
stay clean
and it helps all the
rest of the eggs
from getting contaminated
from that egg.
So you guys must go
through a ton
of baby wipes.
We've got to be
the biggest user
of baby wipes
in the United States.
Hours after hatching,
the chicks are shipped
to a farm
where they are raised.
TV cameras are almost
never allowed
in commercial
chicken operations,
but Purdue made
an exception for us.
How do you keep
these guys healthy?
One of the big things
is better food.
We're doing things
like probiotics
and herbal remedies
like oregano
and yucca
and it helps
them stay healthy.
Another way
Purdue keeps
their birds healthy?
By upgrading
their farm equipment
with things
like chicken ramps.
All these things,
the windows,
the enrichments,
are around
enhancing activity
and we think
chickens that move
more are healthier.
Kind of like people.
It is like us.
You move around more,
you're healthy.
You like that baby wipe
insight?
It's so shocking.
So when we come back,
three of the biggest
chicken producers
in America,
Purdue, Tyson,
and Bell & Evans,
they're all appearing
together for the first
time ever
to answer
your questions.
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Following the recent
alarming headlines about
how American chicken
is chlorinated
and unhealthy,
we decided to go straight
to the source
for answers.
For the first time ever,
and I mean ever,
some of the biggest names
in chicken are
appearing together
right here.
They're going to be
answering you.
It's our Chicken Summit.
Joining us
is Dr. Scott Stilwell
who oversees food safety
and quality assurance
for Tyson Foods.
Jim Perdue,
the chairman,
well,
who else would he be
chairman of?
Perdue.
And Scott Seckler,
the owner and president
and chairman
of Bell & Evans Chicken.
Before we get started,
I want to thank you all.
I know it takes a lot
to get here.
It might be a little
uncomfortable.
It's definitely
unconventional.
I'm sure your publicists
are back behind the stages.
They're chomping
on their nails.
But what we're doing today
is really important
because I think
if we hear from you,
it will make us
very comfortable
about the most common meat
that we're all eating.
My one request
is that we don't
use corporate speak.
We actually speak
the way we normally speak
so everyone can be
on the same page
when we're done here.
Fair enough?
You can interrupt me.
You can interrupt
anybody you want.
Mix it up.
I'm going to give you
each a chance
to answer
these allegations
about chlorine
and what it might be
doing to our chicken.
So, Dr. Stilwell,
you want to go first
for Tyson Foods
and we'll come down
the lane.
Certainly.
Thank you for having us
this morning.
Appreciate the invitation.
Chlorinated chicken
is a term
that has been used,
but there needs
to be some
historical perspective.
The use of chlorinated water
in poultry processing
was actually written
into the regulations
in the early 1970s.
Just recently,
in the fall of 2014,
that regulation
was modified
to allow
other alternatives.
So, the industry
has used chlorinated water
to process poultry products
in the past.
We're moving away
from that.
There's a lot less chlorine
being used today
than there has been
historically.
I think it's important
to note that
when you look
at the amount
of chlorine residue
in poultry products
as opposed to
what a typical consumer
gets in their
morning shower,
it's trivial.
Mr. Perdue?
I think today,
for us anyway,
there's a lot more
things like
acetic acid,
peracetic acid
that are
to try to increase
shelf life
and reduce bacteria.
And chlorine is used
to clean equipment
and that sort of thing.
But as far as
touching the chicken,
I think there's
not much of it
happening anymore.
And Scott from
Bell & Evans,
why is it being
a big deal then?
Well, I've been
a vendetta against
chlorine all my life.
You know, chlorine
has been abused,
overused.
And, you know,
the largest amount
of chlorine
is actually used
in the water chillers.
And what happens is
the chickens absorb
all that chlorinated
water,
and my chickens
don't come in contact
with chlorine
and soak in chlorine.
So I'm happy for that
and I think our
customers love it too.
Mr. Perdue,
if one major producer
can do it,
are the other ones
interested in following suit?
Is there a benefit
of cutting out the chlorine?
Well,
we have both
air chilling,
as Scott says,
and we also have
water chilling.
In water,
there's not chlorine
in the water.
We're using
peracetic acid,
basically vinegar,
something that's acidic,
which does the same job
without using chlorine.
Got it.
And what about
antibiotics,
if I can go there?
Now,
Bell and I,
but you guys
have always raised
your chicken
without antibiotics.
Tyson Foods
has pledged
to take out the antibiotics.
I think, Jim,
you already did
take out the antibiotics.
And I must say,
I'm a little worried
about antibiotic resistance,
which I guess
most of us
are aware of now,
that we use
most of the antibiotics
in America
on livestock.
And I think getting it
out of the food supply
is at least theoretically
a good idea,
and probably practically
as well.
And Scott,
you mentioned earlier
that you've had
antibiotic-free chickens
for decades.
How do you deal with that?
We learned a long time ago
if the chickens
and animals
aren't under stress,
you don't need antibiotics.
And I haven't had
a sick flock of chickens
in eight years.
From getting rid
of the stress.
Getting rid of the stress.
Putting those walkers
in there,
putting windows out.
It's the same issue
with people,
or dogs,
or pets,
or animals.
It's about stress.
If you have stress management
in place,
you don't need
all this stuff.
I love these metaphors.
The chickens move,
they're healthy,
same as us.
One of the big issues
that the viewers
continue to write
to me about
is factory farming.
When we see labels
on our chickens now,
things like free-range,
what does that really mean?
Does that mean
these chickens
are out there
in a grassy knoll
parting it up?
Explain what
that word means.
Free-range
is a terminology
that you have
to get approved
to be free-range.
Getting outside,
getting exercise,
getting off
their breast
and walking
is healthier
for the bird.
That's another reason
you don't have
to use antibiotics.
Getting out
in a pasture
or going up
a ramp
or going on
a bale of hay,
all these things
help them
be more active.
That's a healthier chicken.
Those are real
meaningful
things
Today in America,
if it says free-range,
do you know
what percentage
of the time
the chicken
actually goes out
to play in the free-range?
Do we know those numbers?
There's not
a precise number
because it depends
a great deal
on what the
external environment
is like.
We have a limited
amount of organic
production as well
so we've got
some free-ranging
access to the
out-of-doors.
Chickens naturally
don't want to
go out-of-doors
a lot because
of the risk
of exposure
to predators
like foxes
and hawks.
As Scott
previously mentioned,
that stress
associated
with those
concerns,
we believe
that the
interior,
internal
environment
is actually
better for them
and reduces stress.
The science
is a bit
mixed on those
two issues
right now.
You all keep
taking some
questions
from our
viewers?
Let's come on
over here.
I know Danielle,
you had one.
We'll get you
started.
Go ahead.
I often go
shopping for chicken
and I see that it
says it's 100%
all-natural.
What does that
actually mean?
And if so,
what's the difference
between that
and why is it
cheaper for
all-natural
versus organic?
Do you want to
take that
for Tyson Foods?
All-natural
means minimally
processed and
no artificial
ingredients.
Organic has a
whole host of
additional
requirements.
And those
requirements are
very well
detailed in the
National Organic
Program.
Let me take a
question from Rita
on Facebook.
She's asking,
I heard some
companies plump
their chicken
with salt
solutions or
broth.
Is this true?
Jim, for
Purdue,
do you want
to take that
one?
Yeah.
This is
something that
started a few
years ago,
where chicken
will be needle
injected with
15% salt
water.
And we
don't do
that.
We do
rotisserie chicken
in the supermarket
if it has a
flavor like
Italian flavor
or barbecue
will be
injected if
that's what
the customer
is requesting.
And going
back to the
word natural,
you can actually
put the word
natural on
injected
chicken.
I don't
consider that
natural to
have 15%
injected water
and call it
natural.
So before
we go,
I've got one
question.
We have one
sentence to
answer it on
purpose.
It's like
haiku.
If a
consumer wants
a big,
giant food
company to
move,
how do
they give
feedback?
How do
they ask
the question
in a way
that will
get it
answered?
Scott,
you want to
start?
At Tyson
Foods,
all of our
retail packaged
products have
an 800
consumer
relations number
that they're
welcome to
call.
We've
staffed that
and messages
can be left
24 hours a
day.
They're
professionals.
They know
everything about
our products and
our services.
If there's a
request to
change something,
they can ask
that individual
and that individual
will get that
request to the
appropriate people.
Jim,
people want to
change what
you're doing.
How do
they ask
the question?
We get
about 5,000
contacts a
month.
We have a
senior management
meeting every
month and we'll
listen to
recordings of
people either
asking questions
or complaining
about something.
That's how we
change what we're
doing by listening
to the consumer.
Something my
dad taught me
many, many
years ago.
Scott from
Bell & Evans,
should they do
it as a video,
as a letter,
as a phone
call?
What's the
best way?
I have a lot
of direct
contact.
I've been
demoing all
my life.
Every
food store
I've ever
opened, I was
there for
several days
and demoed
and talked to
people.
Today you can
come to our
Bell & Evans
website and we've
got the whole
story of all of
our years of how
we got to
where we are,
what we do
today, what
we're changing
today.
We just
opened up the
first certified
organic hatchery
in the world
last week.
But if they
can ask you
a question,
they go to
that site and
ask it there?
All right.
Thank you all
for being here.
When you
come back, my
own take on
American Chicken
and whether I'll
be putting it
on my dining
room table.
Stay
with us.
It's my
foremost belief
that the
foundation of
your health
isn't found
in your
doctor's
office.
It's in
your kitchen.
That's why
for the last
nine years,
we've used
this show to
help create
greater transparency
in the food
industry.
It's a movement
that you have
made your own
and lent it
your power.
You've
lifted your
voices and
voted with
your wallet.
And because
of you,
Chicken in
America is
healthier than
it has been
in a long,
long time.
Today, our
truth, trust,
and transparency
movement had a
major victory,
with three major
food industry
execs coming
right here to
talk directly
with you, the
consumer, face-to-face.
You see your
power now.
I was really
impressed by the
candor of our
guests, and I
want to thank
Tyson Foods,
Purdue, and
Bell & Evans
for showing up
and being so
forthright with
their answers.
We titled
this show
In Defense
of American
Chicken, because
when there are
scary fake news
headlines out
there about
what you all
eat, it makes
all of us less
informed.
Chicken in
America is
certainly safe
to eat.
It's a good
lean protein, and
I want to see
you continue to
serve it to
your families.
But I am
calling on the
American chicken
industry to
keep going.
There is still
more progress
to be made.
Every food
label should
mean exactly
what you think
it does.
And every
single producer
should ban
antibiotics in
their birds.
So keep
voting with your
pocketbook and
demand the best
and healthiest
food, because
they will
listen.
We'll be right
back.
Coming up, we're
going behind the
headlines about
chemicals in
boxed mac and
cheese.
My daughter
Daphne is helping
me investigate
the truth.
This whole show
is about trust,
truth, and
transparency in
your food.
And now, we are
deconstructing, are
you ready for
this, boxed
macaroni and
cheese.
After a new
report made a lot
of you uncomfortable
with America's
favorite comfort
food.
Now, my daughter
Daphne has been
covering the story
from the beginning,
so take a look.
As a mom, we
are all familiar
with that box of
mac and cheese.
Kids can't get
enough, and that
means one less
thing for busy
parents to worry
about.
So that's why
recent headlines
about chemicals
called phthalates
found in boxed
mac and cheese
have moms
everywhere concerned.
Phthalates are
potentially harmful
chemicals used by
manufacturers to
soften plastic, not
something you want
in your mac and
cheese.
But a scientific
study by the
Coalition for
Safer Food
Processing and
Packaging found
phthalates in 10
different boxes of
mac and cheese.
To be fair, the
study also found
phthalates in 19
other popular
cheese products.
But the chemical
was four times
higher in boxed
mac and cheese,
and unfortunately
even in my favorite
organic mac and
cheese.
Now, chemicals in
food aren't
immediately cause
for alarm.
What's important
is the amount of
chemical and
whether it's high
enough to harm
you or your
children.
So today, we're
deconstructing mac
and cheese, letting
you know what, if
anything, you need
to worry about.
I'm joined now by
food expert author,
mother of two and
a half, we're
waiting, we're
waiting, and my
daughter, Daphne
Oz.
I gave her this
assignment because
she's been following
the story from the
moment it broke.
So what was your
initial reaction?
I think pretty much
like every other
mother that saw
those headlines, it
sent alarms going
off in my head.
And I wanted to
investigate more.
Is it something I
need to stop
buying or is it
something that's
okay?
And that's our
responsibility as, you
know, as parents, we
take care of the
kids.
Without anything
getting in your way,
and this started to
get people upset.
So, phthalates.
It's a scary,
chemically sounding
word.
So that's why I
think these headlines
got a lot of
attention.
But let's go into
them.
First of all,
phthalates are
banned, they're
banned from
children's toys and
child care products
in the U.S.
Because they've
been linked to
endometriosis,
obesity.
And here's
what gets more
serious.
Genital birth
defects in infant
children.
So they don't
develop the way
they're supposed to
develop.
And then they
can also,
unfortunately, have
learning and
behavioral problems
as these children
get older.
And that's why
there are so many
questions about these
being in one of the
most beloved foods
in our country.
So, we've got a lot
of moms over here
in the audience.
We brought them
down to the stage
to ask a bit about
mac and cheese.
So, Daphne,
take it away.
Hi.
Paula, right?
You have the mic.
Yeah, I'm curious.
What kind of role
does mac and cheese
play in your life?
Well, it's a staple
in my family.
You know, I try and
give my daughter
fresh vegetables,
fruit.
Sometimes I throw
the white flag up
and I say,
okay,
macaroni and
cheese it is.
This way I know
at least she's
going to eat
something.
But now,
hearing this,
it's upsetting.
I love that you
call it the white flag.
And it is.
It's delicious
and kids love it.
And there are a lot
of reasons that we
go and turn to that.
And it is scary
to hear something like
that it might not
be the best choice.
Yes.
But we're going to
find out, actually.
Thank you so much.
And Sophia, right?
Hi.
How are you?
I'm well.
How are you?
So, what would happen
if you found out
that you couldn't
buy mac and cheese
anymore,
you wouldn't want to?
First and foremost,
economically,
because it's so
inexpensive.
I can go in,
it's really quick,
cook it,
and my son is fine.
It's my number one
side dish.
But just hearing this,
knowing that I'm
feeding my son
something potentially
harmful, it scares me.
So, we do these
deconstruction segments
because we feel if you
actually have transparency,
if you really know
what's going on,
the truth,
you can decide
for yourself.
And a lot of times
it gets rid of the fear.
So, let's do that today.
So, we sent Daphne
to deconstruct
the box of mac and cheese.
So, come on over here.
Thank you, guys.
And this is a pretty
simple little example
of how food in America
sometimes surprises you,
not always in the best ways,
but sometimes it's better
than you think.
So, when you open a box
of mac and cheese,
what do you find?
You have plain
macaroni noodles
and you have
powdered cheese.
The powder,
well, it involves
quite a few things.
It involves
nonfat milk,
or milk fat, rather.
Whey, lactic acid,
paprika, spice,
but then you have
food coloring,
and sodium tripolyphosphate.
Oh, that's an easy
word to spell.
I feel like
this isn't always the case.
Like, there are definitely
healthier versions
of mac and cheese
that don't involve
some of the
more toxic preservatives
or food coloring
or what have you.
But one thing I don't see,
and I don't see it
in the healthier versions either,
are phthalates
being added
as an ingredient.
It's a byproduct
of the manufacturing.
It's an inadvertent addition.
And that's what's scary
is how do we, A,
know if it's in our food,
how do we track it,
and how do we avoid it?
That's why I wanted
to cover this story.
And is it important?
So up next,
how do the phthalates
actually get into
the mac and cheese,
and are there enough
of them there
to take it off
the menu for good?
Up next, we step
into my food lab
to find out.
Ever since a new study
came out about
surprising levels
of phthalates
being found
in boxed mac and cheese,
a lot of you
have become uneasy
serving your favorite
comfort food.
So today,
we're deconstructing
mac and cheese.
Let's start with
how the phthalates
got into the box
to begin with
because they weren't
in the ingredient list.
So phthalates
look like this.
And plastics are soft
and made flexible
with these chemicals.
And because they're
in lots of plastics,
they make their way
into things
like conveyor belts,
right,
plastic lid containers,
plastic wrappings,
the kind you see
at the milk counter,
right, all these
different plastics
have phthalates in them.
And phthalates
can sometimes
slip into the food
just by being next to them.
But they can get
into food
in less obvious ways
as well.
Take your family's milk.
The cows
aren't milked
with hands anymore.
They're milked
with machines
with plastic tubing.
Guess what?
When the warm,
fresh milk
travels through
these tubes,
phthalates,
these little chemicals,
can leach into the milk.
Later,
that milk
is turned into cheese
and the butter,
yogurt, ice cream
or mac and cheese powder
and then it's put
onto supermarket shelves.
That's how the phthalates
probably get in there.
No one's doing it
on purpose.
But now to get
to the bottom
of whether or not
you and your family
are in any real danger,
my daughter Daphne
is in with our
food lab experts.
Two of the leading
folks on phthalates.
Yes, indeed.
So Daphne,
what do you got here?
Well, we are lucky
to be joined
by toxicologist
Gary Ginsberg.
Thank you for being here.
Hi.
And health home
expert
and phthalate activist
Maya James.
So Maya,
actually you've done
some of your own testing
and you believe
the problem might
stem from how
the cheese is powdered.
Can you talk to us
a little bit about that?
Sure.
Yeah.
As Dr. Oz mentioned,
we know it's in dairy
most likely
from the way
that he showed
the tubing
that is used to milk cows.
I've actually tested milk
straight out of the cow,
fresh milk
and then tested
that same farm's milk
once it came out
of the tank
after it had been
processed through the tube
and indeed it was
significantly higher.
So we know that
that's one source
of contamination.
However,
the powdered mac and cheese
has even higher
levels than that.
So there's some
additional contamination
happening after
the milk has been
turned to cheese
and then
before the cheese
is turned to powder.
My hunch,
and I don't know this,
but I'm guessing
that something
about the way
it's ground
is on some kind
of a plastic
piece of machinery
and that's making
powdered cheese
and mac and cheese
even worse than
natural cheeses
that the study looked at.
Interesting.
That's my suspicion.
You reached out
to the FDA.
Yes.
Here's what the FDA
had to say.
I'm going to read it
so that I don't
mess anything up.
There must be sufficient
scientific information
to demonstrate
that the use
of a substance
in food contact materials
is safe under
the intended conditions
of use before
it is authorized
for those uses.
So what I think
that is saying
is basically
that they've done
their own independent testing.
The companies
or the FDA
has had to approve
that the items
that are coming
in close contact
with food
are not creating
harmful byproducts.
But I think
that they are
continuing to monitor it
and I think that's
a great byproduct
of this conversation
is that we are
having more oversight
so we try to limit
the potential contamination.
So I reached out
to Kraft as well
and they have some
of the products
that were listed
in that report.
Here's what they said.
We do not add
phthalates to
craft mac and cheese.
The trace levels
found in the one
limited test of mac and cheese
are well below
any level of concern.
Hundreds of servings
of mac and cheese
would need to be
consumed daily
over an entire lifetime
in order to exceed
levels determined
as safe.
So Garrett,
we know phthalates
in high quantities
can be dangerous
but break this down
for us.
You were very
respectful in this area.
Is there enough phthalate
in mac and cheese
for mothers like Daphne,
in fact any of us,
to be concerned?
No.
In that one box,
in that one serving a day
of mac and cheese,
there isn't
enough for you,
the mom,
your children,
because it's
a small percentage
of what your child
might get overall.
For example,
crawling around
on the floor,
just in the house
dust in your floor,
could be more
of an exposure
than in that one box
of mac and cheese.
You're kidding.
Oh, from plastics
and residuals.
Just from the
household furnishings
and the PVC flooring
and perhaps
that shower curtain.
So no,
in that one box,
in that one serving a day,
there isn't enough
phthalates
for that.
So Daphne,
putting it all together,
you've been studying this,
what do you think?
We keep serving
Philo,
little John,
and whatever we call
the next little one.
Sugar for now.
Yeah, you know,
this conversation
makes me much more
comfortable with the fact
that I can keep
getting my mac and cheese,
I can keep it
in my pantry
for when I need it.
But look,
I think that as parents,
having the awareness
of this topic
be this high
is only good
for our kids.
It's only good
for us as parents.
It makes our jobs easier
to be able to have
these candid conversations
and thank you both
for your work on this topic
and I think it will make
for a safer product
down the road as well.
So let me take
a slightly different tack
and only say,
I don't want people
being nervous
when they don't need to be.
So personally,
personally,
I agree with Dr. Ginsberg,
I'm not really concerned
about phthalates
and boxed mac and cheese.
I know it's a staple
that moms need
and frankly,
you guys have enough stuff
to worry about.
So this one,
you should take off
your list for now.
I do think it'd be great
if we can figure out
what's going down
and try to help on that
but it's not a deal breaker.
There are more important
things to focus on.
If you want to think
outside the box,
however,
coming up next
is Daphne's speedy
make-at-home
mac and cheese.
So you don't need
to use the box.
We're going to see
if it matches up.
We'll be right back.
Ivanka Trump is here.
Is this a real brain?
It's a real brain.
Wow.
Revealing how she's
fighting for you.
How do you close
a wage gap
this large?
All new Oz.
That's coming up tomorrow.
Daphne's back
with a recipe
for the speediest
make-at-home
mac and cheese
with a special
healthy ingredient.
What is it?
Mmm.
Butternut squash.
Oh yeah.
You know,
you look at that
box mac and cheese
and part of what's
so alluring about it
is that delicious
yellow cheesy cook
and that creaminess
of the sauce
that it comes with.
So I wanted to recreate
that in a really healthy way
with the butternut squash.
It's the right color.
So this recipe can be
prepped ahead of time.
It's making so fast
that we will not miss
the convenience
of the pre-packaged kind.
So to make things interesting,
I'm going to challenge Daphne.
We've asked Sophia
from our bite club
to join us again.
Hey Sophia.
Where's she at?
Getting ready.
She's going to be making
box mac and cheese
to see which one of you
finishes first.
Sophia,
make it as fast as you can.
When you're done,
come out and join us.
Daphne, the first step.
Okay, so here's the first thing.
You're going to take some,
well we have our elbow noodles
boiling in some salted water.
So butternut squash,
there are two techniques
you can do here.
If you have a little more time
and you want to develop
a little more caramelized flavor,
you can roast the butternut squash.
Now, the great thing is
you can buy it already cubed.
That's what I've done
for this recipe
as a time saver.
Bought it cubed
and then cooked it
with a cup of whole milk
and a cup of chicken broth.
And you're going to cook that
on the stove
just at a low, medium
until the butternut squash
is fork tender.
And then you take that blend
and you puree it.
And by the way guys,
make a ton of this
because this goes great in soups.
It's great as the base of a sauce.
And of course,
it's great as the base
of this mac and cheese.
And when you have
all of it done,
you're going to
individually portion it
and freeze it.
And this will last
for months in your freezer
so that you're ready to go.
How's it going over there,
Sophia?
She's a Russian pro!
So, obviously,
once you're ready
to get cooking
on your mac and cheese,
you bring your
butternut squash puree,
which is just the puree
of that butternut squash
with the milk
and the chicken broth.
And you're going to bring it
to room temperature
and then melt it
And check this
little sneaky trick out.
I have about two tablespoons
of butter cooking in here.
Oh my goodness.
Let me grab that
little bit of plastic.
And look at this.
No cleanup.
All right?
Super easy.
Then here's where we're going
to add that little bit
of the feeling
of the indulgence
of the mac and cheese
that we're used to,
which is just some
shredded cheddar,
yellow cheddar cheese.
And I'm going to stir that in.
As the sauce is heating,
it's going to melt that cheddar.
Noodles are ready.
Can I get them?
Yeah, please.
Dump them into the colander.
I have it in the sink for you.
Thank you.
He's a great sous chef.
Look at you go.
This is what I usually do at home.
I'm in charge of boiling water.
There.
Okay.
You start small.
I'm going to add it.
Oh, she's here.
Oh, girl.
You're back.
That looks delicious.
Okay.
So what I just added
a little salt,
a little pepper,
and a little bit
of grated nutmeg.
And now you see
that delicious cheese
melted through.
Let's go ahead
and add this sauce
over top here.
So we're less
than a minute behind.
Okay.
And you guys
know how to stir.
I'm going to go ahead
and bring out
this delicious swap
so we can actually
give it a taste.
Oh, we're Dr. Oz.
Go at it.
There we go.
Okay.
Here's the finished product.
Really creamy,
really delicious.
Let's give this a taste.
So here,
grab a spoon over there.
Yeah.
Let me give you a...
Okay.
Get in there.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
What do you think?
It's delicious.
Isn't that great?
I'm so happy.
Guys, for the extra minute,
I think it's worth it.
Look at this.
Look how cheesy
that sauce looks.
Do you think your kids
would ever notice that?
Notice it.
You'll notice it,
which is what matters.
Thank you for doing this,
Daphne.
Thank you so much.
Thank you.
Daphne's got a fantastic
book out called
The Happy Cook.
Check it out.
We'll be right back.
Look at her.
It's really good, right?
Ivanka Trump is here.
Is this a real brain?
It's a real brain.
Wow.
Revealing how she's
fighting for you.
How do you close
a wage gap this large?
All new Oz.
That's coming up tomorrow.
You're in the world today.
And do you ever notice
it's the hate-filled voices
that often ring the loudest?
Well, that's because
moments of true kindness
are usually quiet.
And offerings of generosity
may make no sound at all.
So we want to start broadcasting
those stories of positivity
loud and clear
to give you something
to feel good about.
This is a good story
to start off with.
Take a look.
Three years ago,
while driving his family
to church,
Chris Wright noticed
an empty car
on the side of the road.
A little later,
he saw a woman
walking with a gas can.
Feeling compelled
to help her,
Chris returned to the woman,
drove her to a gas station,
and then back to her car.
Before he left,
he gave her all the money
in his wallet.
Forty dollars.
Fast forward to 2017.
Chris's mother, Judy,
was suffering
from Parkinson's disease.
To help her,
his family hired
a few nursing aides.
One aide in particular
stood out,
Tundi Hector.
She always went the extra mile,
even coming in
on her days off to help.
At first,
neither Tundi
nor Chris
recognized each other.
But then Tundi
recounted the story
of a stranger
who helped her
after her car ran out of gas.
At that moment,
Chris and Tundi
both started crying
and embraced one another.
Chris and his family
were moved
by Tundi's dedication,
staying by Chris's mom's side
until the moment she passed.
To honor Tundi,
Chris quietly started
a fundraising drive
to fulfill her dream
of going to nursing school.
And then he surprised Tundi
with the results.
So Tundi,
you have a gift.
A lot of people believe in you
and want to see you
become a nurse.
So, here's a start.
Oh, no!
You're so good to me!
Oh, my God!
Y'all did it, man!
You did it!
Unbelievable.
Chris was able to raise
almost $37,000 for Tundi.
This is a story
of strangers coming together
to bless each other's lives.
Nursing assistant Tundi,
you're here,
and so is Chris.
Thank you for doing it.
I gotta say,
nursing assistants
are unsung heroes
in the workplace.
Yes.
And you do so much good,
and often folks
don't quite know
how you fit into the puzzle,
but they certainly wouldn't know
that you were a nursing assistant
if they were driving by
on the road.
So, Chris,
she's so appreciative
of what you've done
that she wanted to do
a little something for you.
Yes.
To return the favor.
You wanna take it away, Tundi?
Tell Chris what you got for him.
Well, Chris,
I know you love golf,
so we got with Dr. Oz,
and we came up with something.
We think you're gonna like it.
Well, I know for a fact
you'll like this,
because I golfed.
The folks at Cobra Puma Golf
sent over a golf set,
everything, frankly.
Shoes, outfits, clubs.
All set for you.
The clubs are sweet.
I tried to get another set for myself,
but they wouldn't go for it.
That's awesome.
Thank you so much.
You're welcome.
So I was so impressed
that all you cared about
was thanking a higher power
and a man that you appreciated
that I thought we'd do
a little something for you.
Now, I know what it's like
to go through health school,
and you're gonna have
to keep careful notes,
and I want you
to keep up with everybody.
So I went over to my buddies
at Acer Computers.
Okay.
All right?
Okay.
Before you do anything,
they want you to have
a coffee cup.
Okay.
They want you to have this.
Okay.
This is a computer,
their state-of-the-art laptop,
that's gonna make it easy for you.
This notebook is there
to make sure that you stay up
with going on.
I don't want any subpar work
in nursing school.
No, no, no, no.
We don't want that.
I wanna be the best.
You wanna be the best.
Now, you got two sons, right?
I do.
Are you gonna be able
to share this computer with them?
They'll try and take it,
but I won't let them.
I won't let them.
We don't wanna have a fight
in the family, do we?
We don't wanna have a fight.
No.
And the guys at Acer Computers
went one better.
They got your sons'
computers, too.
Oh, my God!
Oh, Dr. Hans,
thank you so much.
You're awesome.
Maybe Chris can help
me carry him home.
You can help me carry him.
But then I thought,
you know,
computers are great,
you keep up with the score work,
but you are such
an attractive woman.
I want you to look your best.
Well, thank you.
So we went up
to our friends
at Fig's Scrubs,
the hottest scrubs out there.
Okay.
And all you guys
worked so hard
that I thought
maybe we'd give you
a couple weeks' worth,
a couple months' work.
And you know what
the guys at Fig said?
What?
No.
We're gonna give you
a lifetime supply
of scrubs.
And they're right there.
Go check them out.
Oh, my God!
I love this.
Look at us.
Oh, my God.
Thank you so much.
I have great regard
for you.
I do.
You are very kind
to say that.
Thank you.
But here's the thing.
We could spend
the whole time now
looking at colors,
but you seem
a little overwhelmed.
I am.
In a good way or a bad way?
In a good way.
So the people at Fig's
loved your story so much,
they actually wanted
to be here in person.
Oh.
Is that okay
if they express
their appreciation to you?
That's fine.
So they got a little token
of appreciation for you.
Okay.
And I've got
Heather Hess in here.
Hi, Heather.
Hi, Tunde.
Hi.
What do you got
for this beautiful
woman, Tunde?
Thank you, Tunde.
Not only do we want
to give you the best scrubs,
because we make
the best scrubs,
we are so...
Honestly, when I heard
your story,
I was so motivated by you.
Our whole team
was motivated by you,
and you're amazing.
We want to help you
continue to do
what you do best
and serve others.
So what we decided to do
is give you one more gift.
Okay.
One more gift.
You ready?
Can you do that?
I'm ready.
One more gift.
I'm ready.
Besides a lifetime
supply of scrubs.
The cup's not
overflowed yet?
Oh, it's already
overflowed.
I'm holding on.
Tunde, we want to
thank you for all
your hard work.
We're giving you
20 scrubs.
You deserve it.
I'm proud now.
That's so awesome.
I'm proud of you.
So what does this
mean to you?
Thank you.
Thank you so much.
What does it mean
to you to have this?
It means a lot.
I have my boys,
and my boys are
important to me.
I try to give them
the best future
that I can.
And as a single mother,
I do the best that I can.
And I know education
is what's going to
make them great.
Hallelujah.
God bless you.
Thank you, everybody.
Thank you so much.
Remember, everybody,
happy and healthy
starts at home.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
