‘What’s in it for Meghan?’ GB Mums question Meghan Markle MOTIVES behind shock Sussex UK return

I mean, it's absolutely shocking. I don't think you can sort of blame the Home Office. Clearly, this document was necessary. And you've got to get used to public transport system, which is chaotic in Hong Kong. Well, they don't. Yeah, I'm talking about normal, normal, well. Like, I won't always be watching over him and he's only 11 months old. Yeah, I- I was in a free, freely room and then I haven't heard him for a while and then I'm like, oh, I've got to find him and he's in the toilet ripping toilet roll down. Megan is a very, very ambitious woman. She's very determined and very ambitious. So what's in it for her? So what is in it for her? If they're allowed to go outside and just climb a tree, they discover their own risk limits. They discover their own natural boundaries. And I think that is incredibly healthy for them to work out their limits. Well, welcome along. This is GV Mums, only on YouTube, on the GV News YouTube channel, of course. Now, I'm Emily Carver. And it's Siata Rees-Mogg. Olivia Rutley. And Linda Dooberly. Well, welcome along. We are all mums. That's why we're here, to discuss the news stories that matter to mums, grandmothers, expectant parents out there. In today's episode, we've got a few shocking stories, actually, for you. The Home Office, in particular. This pamphlet that's been sent out to asylum seekers and illegal migrants, and it sort of spells out, it's right here, actually, I'll just show you. It spells out what rape is, how not to rape women, how not to rape children, what consent means. And it goes on, talks about how domestic abuse is illegal in this country, for example. So we're going to be discussing that, because it's pretty shocking. Also, Harry and Meghan are returning to Britain, six years after leaving for the United States. And we're also going to be talking about GCSE results for many children across the country. We're going to discuss Education Secretary Lucy Powell's pledge to stop GCSE resits trapping pupils in failure. We'll get into what she means by that. And also a new report that's found children are now nearly 11 when they start playing outdoors without supervision. Are we model coddling children, or is that just the reality of life nowadays? Well, shall we get stuck into this pamphlet? Because I think it is the most shocking story this week, to be honest. This is something from the Home Office, Olivia. And it says, Understanding Behaviors and Expectations in the UK. OK, a guide for asylum seekers. But then you open it, and it's about eight or nine pages. And it starts talking pretty quickly about the issues of consent, the issues of rape, just really explaining, laying it out in simple terms, what these things mean and why they're not allowed in this country. For example, in the UK, the law is clear and strict. Both people must agree to sex or sexual contact of any kind, respect in public places. It's a serious crime to take sexual images of someone without their consent. It describes how you can't rape a child even if they say yes. I mean, seriously, Olivia, what does this tell us about perhaps the types of people this country is letting in? I mean, it's absolutely shocking. I don't think you can sort of blame the Home Office. Clearly, this document was necessary. As you say, Emily, it sort of tells you all you need to know. The reason behind it is that there are lots of these high-profile cases recently where migrants convicted of sexual offences have claimed ignorance of the law. Very famous case of an asylum seeker who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old girl and said that marrying children in his country was a normal thing to do. Now, using ignorance as a defence shouldn't be acceptable. Anyone who comes to this country should acquaint themselves in a very basic way with the laws of this country. But that was coming up over and over again in trials, which is presumably why the Home Office has introduced this document. But it is just so incredibly shocking that this stuff needs to be said. Yeah, I mean, Linda, the left often try to pretend or paint the illegal migration crisis as huge numbers of very vulnerable people who are just looking to seek a better life in this country and that we should be welcoming and not stigmatise. But if the Home Office is having to put out this sort of basic information on how child marriage, for example, isn't allowed in this country, then what are we supposed to think? Yeah, I think there are some people who come here, they're fleeing war zones, they're fleeing conflict zones. And, you know, I can understand that. But the fact of the matter is there are a lot of these men who are here and there's no point in handing them a pamphlet because the kind of behaviour we're talking about is ingrained It's deeply ingrained in their mindset. This is how they treat women. In some of the countries, Eritrea, Somalia, Sudan, they still do female circumcision. I mean, female circumcision without an aesthetic. You know, some of these girls die from that operation over there. And these practices have been around for thousands of years, as you say. It's completely impeded in their culture and in their individual mentality. So I think this pamphlet is like a tick box situation for the Home Office. I think they just kick the can down the road. That's the only defence of it, is to withdraw that, I didn't know that was the law. And if they've been handed a pamphlet, it seems to be in English. I'm going to guess it's in other languages because we know that the understanding is a problem. But we are told that ignorance is nobody. Of course we are. But if you've actively handed them this is what the rules are, the law is in this country, then they can't even pretend that they were unaware or unable to find out. However, I think it does tell us an awful lot about who the Home Office do know is coming, and that there is a threat. And we know from the statistics that certain cultures, certain countries have higher rates of sexual crimes against women in this country. As a mum, I mean, because obviously this is GB Mums, how does it make you feel about the safety of girls and children? I really do worry. And I moved out of London 10 years ago, and I'm so glad that I have got my children growing up in the countryside. I was in London last night, 10, 11 o'clock at night, just thinking if my 15-year-old daughter was here, I would not feel happy. It doesn't feel safe. And when you've got, and I did have last night, a man chasing me, following me down the street, saying, you are breaking my heart. He must have needed glasses, should have gone to Specsabers. But it does make me feel uneasy. And I grew up in London, I'm very used to it, and I'm 110 years old now. I can look after myself. But it does make me worry. That's one of the advices here, actually. When you are in public spaces, alone or with friends, you must never make sexual comments to someone, even if you think it is a compliment. Whistle or make kissing noises at someone. They also say, never try to have sex with someone who is asleep, drunk or unable to consent. Clearly, unfortunately, that has happened on a number of cases. I mean, the most recent case is truly heinous. The male pensioner. I mean, I could hardly believe what I was reading when I read about that. I'm not sure if it's a life case or not, so maybe I shouldn't be discussing it. But I think that was truly, truly horrific. But in a way, it doesn't surprise me. I mean, when you look at... And the people I did some work with were evacuees. They weren't asylum seekers or refugees. But nevertheless, purely on the basis of where they came from, in rural Afghanistan, you can't expect those people to have the same cultural outlook that we have. Maybe I'll get shot down in flames for saying this, because I'm not... It's not a terribly woke position to have, is it? But some of those people come from incredibly backward communities. But it's also quite arrogant to think that just because someone, you know, rocks up at the shore of Britain, that suddenly they're going to adopt all of our sort of Western, liberal, Christian, democratic values. If you've been brought up in a society where women cannot be educated, where girls are lesser citizens, where women have no rights, that's not going to change because you've read a leaflet. And not just brought up in that society, but living here in an enclave of people who are all of the same mindset, all have the same upbringing as you. I mean, we talk about integration a lot, and this is exactly why you need it. You can't have whole sort of communities in London, whole areas where everyone's speaking the same language, everyone comes from the same culture, and that culture is so different. You've only got to look at the MP that stood up in the Commons to defend first cousin marriage, right? And that was all about keeping everything in one community. And it's totally wrong, because the level of disability now amongst communities that allow continuous first cousin marriage is really shocking, and the disabilities are very, very severe. It can be incredibly nasty, and one of the reasons it hasn't ever been outlawed in the UK is because it's never been practised here as the norm. Yeah, I mean, here's another example. A migrant who sexually assaulted a 14-year-old schoolgirl whilst living at an asylum hotel in Epping was said to have told her that it's normal to marry children in his country. I mean, that's pretty, you know, an obvious one there, but it does seem like our lawyers in this country use these types of things as a mitigation, or at least try to, in their defence. You know, they come from a different culture, they didn't understand, the law's different where they come from, you know? We hear it all the time when we're reporting on these types of cases, don't we, Olivia? Well, exactly. I mean, and of course that is so ridiculous, because everyone in this country who's come to this country should acquaint themselves with the laws of this country, and it is ridiculous that it is being used as a defence at all, but it is being used as a defence, and this is, as you say, a sort of tick box exercise so that the Home Office can at least say you can no longer have this as a defence in these cases. So perhaps in that respect alone, it might make a bit of a difference. Obviously, as we've all said, you know, any asylum seeker who is behaving like this, their minds won't be changed by a leaflet. It is really culturally ingrained for thousands and thousands of years, and, you know, it gets into a wider argument about the amount of times the West has sort of got bulldozed into a situation in a country with very, very, very different values and not understood that it's not really possible to impose British Western values on a society that has lived in a completely and utterly different way from us. And yet there are families, there are people who integrate very, very successfully in this country, and they are an asset to this country in terms of their expertise. They contribute to the Exchequer, et cetera, et cetera. There's no problem there. But there is a problem in these enclaves, in these communities that just stick together, and they have no intention of integrating at all. And that is where the problem lies. I mean, I take a very simplistic view on immigration into this country. It should only be for the benefit of the British people. So if you will be a benefit to our country, you can come and live here. If not, sorry. But that's completely different from the way a lot of people on the left see it, isn't it, Annunziata? They see, you know, why shouldn't anyone be able to live anywhere they like? They seem to think we should all have open borders and that everyone should be able to live anywhere. But that would merely degrade the living standards of the British people to a global average far lower than where we are. We don't have the space. We don't have the resources. We can't do it. But we also do need to protect our culture. And that culture includes- You're not allowed to say that, Annunziata. Equality. What culture? Of men and women. And it includes protecting the innocence of children. And if we can't do that, we're not a country. And you think how hard women fought for their rights since the end of the 19th century and what we all had to endure to get equality, to even get the right to vote. You know, the fact is that we're not going to give it up lightly. We don't want to give those values up lightly. And we certainly don't want to have another culture come and treat women as second-class subhuman species. And the thing is that, you know, there is an argument, a sort of live argument, viewers can decide what they think about this, that we should be having, you know, we should be having a number of refugees into this country because we are a developed country, et cetera, et cetera. But why are we taking these refugees? And I think almost all the time they are economic migrants. So you can tell from the fact that they're mostly young men of fighting age. When there are so many people in the world, take, for example, Nigerians who are being, Christian Nigerians who are being hideously persecuted by the Haram. I mean, that would be a perfect example of people who could probably come to this country and the cultural differences wouldn't be that different because we do share a common religion. At least there's some sort of- Starting point. Starting point, exactly. Absolutely. And also I think as a mum, one of the proofs to me that they are economic migrants is that they come without their women, their men. Exactly. Could any of us here imagine our children's fathers going off somewhere else for anything other than economic reasons? If we were under threat, if our children were under threat, our men folk would not be going without us. No, absolutely. Well, on that note, let's move to something which seems quite a bit lighter after that discussion. This is the exclusive that dropped last night on The Telegraph at 10 o'clock. Harry and Meghan plan move back to Britain. They're back, Olivia. Are you delighted? They are back. I mean, I am shocked. I'm truly shocked. It was what, six years ago that they moved away from the UK. The amount of very rude things they have said about Britain in the six years since they've gone. I'm astonished and we can't quite work out why they're coming back. One reason seems to be they like the idea of the schools over here. It'll be fascinating to see what school their children are going to be going to. Yeah, I'd like to know that. Yeah. I feel sorry for the other parents. And how did they get the child in that quickly? Everyone else in the country has to wait five years to get a place at a primary school. Yeah, I mean, yeah, they spelt quite a lot of quite socialist values. I wonder if their children will be going to a sort of local primary. I don't think so. I think it'll be a lovely little prep school. Prep school somewhere. Getting ready for Eton. Yeah, of course. What was it Paul Dacre said outside the courts when Harry lost his court case? It was something like, you know, Harry's always complaining about his personal life being dragged into the public arena. And Paul Dacre said, there isn't a laundrette anywhere in the universe big enough to accommodate the amount of dirty linen that Prince Harry himself has aired about his own family. And that is an immovable fact. The thing is, I can't, I can understand why they want to come back. I think from my own observation is that Meghan is a very, very ambitious woman. She's very determined and very ambitious. So what's in it for her this time? So what is in it for her? Because I think she's driving this bus. Is it the Cotswolds edition of her jam? Well, there are quite a few celebrities there who she will be able to hang out with as she did in California. But you mentioned Olivia, they've been gone six years, which I happen to have seen is a very convenient amount of time. Because if you're out of the country for more than five years, you don't pay capital gains that would otherwise be clawed back. And so if they've sold anything to buy their house in Montecito, or if they've sold anything to buy a new house here, it'll be capital gains free. Fascinating. That's interesting. Do they have tax? It might be tax. Also the taxes in California are only on the rise, aren't they? Not that here's much better. But I don't think that the amount of time they've been away now from the core of the royal family has been so long that they're starting to lose their connection. They've run out of stuff to say about them. Yeah, they've run out of stuff to say because they don't know it because they're not inside the tent anymore. But they're also, they're slightly losing that connection. If you look back at some of their aims and ambitions from both Meghan and Harry, they both wanted to produce documentaries, they wanted to do this, that and the other. The only things they've ever done have been about the royal family. So once you lose that connection- That's the only stuff that did well. Yeah. Has anyone here done, as a mum, done a big trip, made a big move with children? I did. I went to Hong Kong. And how was that? How did you deal with it? Because just thinking about these two kids, they're five and seven, it's going to be tough moving from California to- It's very hard. Potentially the Cotswolds. Really hard. You know, especially, I mean, it's different. Hong Kong is a kind of different sort of place to, obviously, to California. But it was very difficult. And you've got to get used to public transport system, which is chaotic in Hong Kong. Well, they don't. Yeah, that is- Well, insofar as expat women are normal. But in any event, it's really difficult because your child doesn't settle easily. They have to start school, or they have to change schools. And they have to accommodate so much in their little lives that I think it's enormously difficult. And it is very disruptive. All I did was move with a seven-year-old from London to Lincolnshire. It's not quite the same. But their friends are gone. The teachers, the school that they're used to. The structure around them. The people they see daily, their daily life. It all does change. And it is very uprooting. So I wonder if England is going to feel very small compared to, you know, living in the United States. I mean, in terms of the scrutiny, it might feel more oppressive, again, as they complained about, you know, years ago. But just to balance things out a little bit, I do think that somewhere underpinning this, there might be concerns about the King's health. And it might be that there is a genuine desire to have Archie and Lilibet actually grow up in the same place as their grandfather. I hope you're right. There haven't been too many indicators that he thinks that way. I'd like to think I'm right. Especially on the cynical interpretation. I've always thought they're very selfish. But perhaps you're right that they feel bad. But I mean, if that is the case, they have a few apologies to make. They really do. And they did accuse the royal family of being racist. I know. And the entirety of the British media. British people. And basically the British people, yes. And it is hard to row back from the level of unpleasantness and accusation they threw out at their family, but across the wider country. And I don't know if the British people are ready to think that they're all sweetness and light and jam-making goodness. But it's going to be particularly hard for their own family. But what I'd like to know is who is paying for the security? Well, we don't know yet. Yeah, well, what we know is that there was some kind of undertaking earlier on that the taxpayers shouldn't foot the bill for the security. Well, if they're a private family, and they're not part of the firm, they're a private family in their own residence somewhere, you know, and the kids go to school, maybe locally, et cetera, et cetera. Why would the taxpayer foot the bill for that? And if the taxpayer's not paying for it, who is paying for it? They'll have to. They'll have to cough up. But how are they going to be making their money? But also, in terms of the grandparents, I mean, I have a one-year-old, so I can't speak. Well, I'm nearly one-year-old, so I can't really speak about the long-term importance of grandparents. But, you know, presumably it's important to forgive and forget in order that these relationships endure, or at least begin. A lot of families will recognise the difficulty of foolings out, alienating grandparents and grandchildren. And I was born, three of my grandparents had already died, so I couldn't get to know them. But the importance for my children of their relationship with their grandmothers, who are both fortunately still around, has been huge. And that cross-generational thing is so important. But a lot of bridges have been burnt for the royals. Not just grandparents, but, you know, Archie and Lily have each other. They don't really have any other extended family, unless you count the Waleses, who obviously they don't speak to. So they've got no cousins, aunts, uncles. They're not really in touch with any of their family at all, apart from Megan's mother, Doria, I assume. But she's also fallen out with the father, the half-siblings, et cetera, et cetera. So they've got no one at the moment, which is really sad. Perhaps there will be some. So I think there should be some sort of repression when they come here. But the problem is that I think you've got, the rift will be mended with the king. And there probably wasn't much of a rift with Camilla. But the rift with the Prince of Wales, with William, I think that will be a very difficult thing to mend. Well, I mean, that book. That book talking about physical altercations and everything else. And he was pretty savage towards Camilla and Catherine, yes. Let's move on because the education secretary, Lucy Powell, she's pledging to crack down on the pernicious system of GCSE resits that leaves hundreds of thousands of teenagers locked out of continuing their education each year. This is the treadmill of failure of maths and English GCSEs. And she wants to revisit the recent curriculum review to tackle the problem. I'm not sure I'm aware of this issue, Olivia, are you? Well, yes, I chose this story. Tell me about it then. I mean, it's really interesting. I think Lucy Powell seems to have got things a little bit topsy-turvy. Yeah, I'm a bit confused. The problem is that children are leaving school. I mean, a C or a six or whatever, five, four, I can't remember what it means in today's money. But in GCSEs, in maths and English, essentially means that you're sort of vaguely literate and numerous. It means you can add up and read and write. It's really not very much more than that being able to achieve a C grade at GCSE maths and English. So there are children who are failing these exams and they have to retake them. That was a rule introduced under the Conservatives. If you don't get the required four, five in maths and English, you have to re-sit it until you do get it. And the results out today show that only a sixth of those who had to retake it managed to pass the second time round. And these children aren't able to go on to any other kind of education until they have passed maths and English. And Lucy Powell's argument is, well, let them just go on with their education, even if they haven't got the pass. Oh, it's just ridiculous. I mean, that does seem a bit ludicrous to me. And is that what she's saying? Because children should be leaving. It's ridiculous. Oh, she's saying that they shouldn't even have to re-sit. Yeah, they shouldn't have to re-sit. Yeah, that's right. Oh my goodness, what on earth? What's the point? As an example, I know someone who did fail both maths and English and had to re-sit. And the first time they re-sat, they passed maths, but they failed English again. And so they re-sat and they will have found out today. And I don't know whether they've passed or not. I hope they have. But what's really, really failed them is, yes, they failed at 16. But the college they got sent to, the teachers didn't turn up, the students have no respect for it. And that's the point. It's £6 a day each direction on the bus because you've got to get two buses to get there. It's an hour and a half commute. The children don't want to, well, 17-year-olds don't want to go. When they get there, they've got fill-ins. There is a huge gap in the teaching. And it's no wonder that only one in six is passing second time around if they're not actually being taught. They're not learning anything. The two basic subjects, at my school, you had to have both those subjects to get into the sixth year. So there was no question about failing them because you'd be re-sitting until you got them. I do understand that continually re-sitting things harms a child's confidence, I guess. But the real question is, why are they failing us in English? And what can we do to help them pass it? This seems like shoving your shoulders and giving up. It is, it is. Well, they can't pass, so never mind. But they will be put into doing something else, right? Different type of qualification. So does that help? That's just fudging the issue. Not if you haven't got the foundations of English and basic maths. And then we'll be doing foundation GCSEs as well, which are a much smaller curriculum that cover much more. What about if they just can't do it? And even if they tried for years and years, they just wouldn't be able to get it? And I cannot just cure them. Not everyone has any ability, to put it bluntly. Yeah, there are some people who are, maybe they're more practical. There are people like that. I've got a son who's very, very academic and highly qualified, but he chose to work in the theatre. You know, I think, my goodness, he's an electrician, he's a bit of a plumber, he's mending the ceiling, he's mending the curtains. You know, why aren't you using your brain a bit? But nevertheless, he decided that's what he wants to do because he's very, very, he's got a lot of aptitude. But what I'm saying is, when it comes to speaking and reading and writing and adding up stuff, you know, at its basic level, you should be equipping children at least with those basic qualifications. And then, if you think they're really not that academic, then you start building in a few more practical skills around those qualifications. And we're not talking about a handful of children, it's 200,000. We are just failing them. And whether they, I think we should have way more vocational training and practical training, and that that should have much greater importance. And as we get into AI, I think it's going to become much more important for future employability. But you still need to be able to write a basic sentence, do a basic maths sum. Exactly. And these qualifications, therefore, do matter. But what do we do about the ones who just simply can't get to that standard? Then I think you recognise that... You don't want them to continue resitting and they're never going to... No, you don't. The reason the resits... You have to recognise exactly who they are and give them the backup that they need and deserve. And you can't just have a one-size-fits-all here. And I think that's what Lucy Powell is trying to do by just ticking that box. I think you've got to start doing some grind work and find out who needs what. I think Clancy Arts is right. 200,000 children. Yes, there probably are a handful of them who genuinely can't do it, can never get to that stage. But most of them could with the right amount of help and with their teachers supporting them properly and with their parents supporting them properly and with the right interventions. And just shrugging your shoulders and giving up on 200,000 children... And this was brought in in the first place because the vast majority of jobs, the most basic entry-level jobs say you must have a pass at English and Maths GCSE. By saying you never need to carry on trying, you don't have to pass, you're actually saying, well, you're never going to get a job. Do you need... No. But I suppose... For most jobs you do, but not for all jobs, do you need Maths and English? No, but there are... You know, you could end up... To get by in life, probably. You couldn't be a carer. You couldn't be a bus driver. You couldn't be a cleaner for a big firm. Could you be a husband or a wife and manage a family and have a bunch of kids? Maths, maybe. Maybe you don't need... I mean, it's a miracle I passed Maths. Believe me, that was... I don't believe that. ...an act of God in my favour. But with English, I think what you're talking about is your ability to communicate. Now, that is invaluable. That's essential for any human being, right at its most basic. Yeah, you can get by in this country without speaking English perfectly. I mean, we have millions of people who don't speak English. No, I just visited someone who's severely ill in hospital yesterday and these people were lovely that were caring for him, but I couldn't have the proper conversation with anyone on that. And that's very serious when you're dealing with someone's medical condition. Well, absolutely it is and it can lead to awkward altercations. Let's move on to the last story of today's show. This is children are now not allowed to play in the street until they're 11 years old and even then it's only for 25 minutes a week. Yeah, this is a report into how children are actually being allowed or not allowed to spend any time outside on their own and basically it's warning that young people today are just being deprived of fresh air, independence, things that previous generations perhaps took for granted. It comes back to, I don't know, is this parents being too strict, too worried, perhaps too lazy in some ways? Or too scared of what's outside the front door? I think they're scared because there's several areas of fear. So there's the undoubted growth of people who abuse or pick on children and I think that's been made much, much worse by the internet and so I think that parents are naturally scared of that. They're also really scared about traffic, about the heavy traffic. So let me just tell you one thing, someone was knocked down outside my house, I won't talk about it in that much detail because it's a live case because they found the person and they're prosecuting him. But the guy was just playing outside in the street, he's just crossed the road from, bought a can of coke and whoosh, and he's got life-changing injuries. So parents are automatically frightened of traffic as well. But the fact of the matter is, you have to let children play outside because an important part of growing up is learning to use your imagination and that's not something you really get from constantly playing on your phone or any other kind of device. I think boredom is actually one of the best things for children and that probably sounds incredibly mean. But you sound like my mother. But it makes them think of things to do. Only boring people are bored. But they do and children have incredible imaginations where they can create stories and worlds out of almost anything if you let them. But if you're constantly overseeing them, stimulating them, giving them things to do and play with, they don't. But also, if they're allowed to go outside and just climb a tree, they discover their own risk limits. They discover their own natural boundaries and I think that is incredibly healthy for them to work out their limits. But also their friendships. If we're overseeing them and stepping in when two kids start arguing, they don't work out how to form relationships. It's so hard though, isn't it? Because in theory, I 100% agree with every word that you're saying. But we have a park, like a little sort of square. We live on a square. It's all council run. Green area in the middle with a very nice playground. And it's, I mean, you've been to my house. It's about 20 feet away from our house. I was trying to decide what age I would let Wilfie go to that park alone. I mean, he could cross the tiny little road safely. When he's about six. But could I let him go there? When you'd see, we live in Brixton in London. The people are hanging around. I don't think you'll be letting him at six. Will I be letting him at six? Will I be letting him at seven? Can he walk to school at eight or nine? Or do you live too far from your school? The school he'll go to is about 15 minutes down Brixton Hill, which is a big old road. Yes, it's traffic and everything else. And I think I'm going to end up. He'll be a tough cookie, you know, he'll be used to it. Would you, you've got a park right by your house. Do you think, do you think George will, what age do you think George will be able to go? I don't know. At the moment, he's obviously always with me or with grandparents or Patrick or whatever. But I try, I let him, like I let him do whatever he likes. In the house, like I won't always be watching over him and he's only 11 months old. Yeah. I let him freely roam and then I haven't heard him for a while. And then I'll go find him and he's in the toilet, ripping toilet roll down or he's in, he's in the, he was in the shower the other day. Wilfie's thing is always, he'll be in the garden, just throwing handfuls of dabble, dabble, which is gravel. I'm the same as you Emily and I've got friends who are shot when they see Wilfie. The primary school was quite near, so they walk to school from about nine or ten. That's magical now these days, you know. Because by the time they get to secondary school, they've got to go on public transport anyway. So you've got to get them used to the whole idea of being out there in the world. I think maybe they'll be quite savvy if you start letting him go to the park on his own at six. I'd be watching from my window. Well, that's how it starts, isn't it? Kind of pretend that you're not there. You've got to allow them a lot of independence and I will say this, although my daughter was a bit older, she was 16. She travelled to see her half sister and brothers in Australia on her own. Wow. At 16. I wouldn't do that at first too. I mean, the whole thing was booked by her father. We're divorced, but we get on very, very well. But the whole thing was booked by him to go to this family event or something and I didn't really know about it. And when I found out about it, I thought, oh my goodness, do you understand what she's going to have to face on that journey? So I gave her lessons on, you know, look straight ahead, do not engage, wear long sleeves, walk like you mean it. Good for her being plucky enough to do it. But she did it and she came back a different person. Yeah. No question. I mean, I definitely grew up doing things on my own. Yeah. We do all learn from having personal responsibility and the one thing you're going to be responsible for for your entire life is yourself. Exactly. And on that note, I think that's a nice place to end. We're all responsible for ourselves. Let the children go to the park alone. At six, maybe a little bit young. I don't know. I don't know what George, for example, is going to be like at six. No, it all depends. Perhaps he'll be like, I can go with my own mummy. I'm a big boy. Maybe they can go together. Maybe they can go together, yeah. There's a solution. They can go together. Well, thank you very much for watching. This has been GB Mums for GB News Originals, only on YouTube. We'll see you all next time.