Learn about some of the thinking styles and ways of experiencing the world that typify those children with autism and create barriers to learning in traditional ways. Presented by Dr Emma Goodall.
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An autistic professional shares insights into autistic thinking styles, blending lived experience with professional expertise. The talk explores how concrete thinking, literalness, and challenges with object permanence affect behavior, while highlighting the strengths of autistic individuals, such as a strong sense of social justice and logical decision-making.
So my team are all here today and they said to me,
how are you going to follow that?
So this is how.
Hopefully at the end of this session,
you'll have more understanding about autistic thinking styles
and how to respond to those effectively.
So I guess one of the key important things in this talk
is that I am autistic.
So this is from both professional experience
and personal lived experience.
So we have what's colloquially known
as black and white thinking styles,
which psychologists and psychiatrists
like to talk about as concrete
or fixed or rigid thinking styles.
And I always think that's really interesting
because as we know in South Australia,
concrete falls apart when it rains.
We do tend to over-generalize and under-generalize,
which is a big problem.
So as you can see up here,
we're going to cut the bread in the sandwich
before we put the things on it.
That's a problem.
We also only take off our top
if we go in the shower in this instruction.
So when we're thinking about
how we address concrete thinking,
we have to teach context and meaning.
Do you really chop the bread first?
Does it matter what order you put
the ingredients into the sandwich?
So I carefully took my sandwich apart at lunch
because it had raw onion in
and sandwiches shouldn't have raw onions in.
No food should have raw onions in.
But we also need to scaffold how to generalize
and the exceptions to the rule.
So I was out at a school yesterday
with my colleagues
and we were talking about the no hands in pants.
I said this is such a stupid rule
because how do you get your pants down
to go to the toilet
unless you put your hands in your pants?
I know it's only your thumbs,
but it's still hands in pants.
So that's not really what we mean
either when we're talking about that.
So we then got on to,
well, who's allowed to touch the areas under your pants
because we teach that nobody should touch you
in that area except for the doctor
and possibly a nurse and possibly a teacher.
And there's so many exceptions.
And I said yes,
but you have to tell autistic people these things.
We can't just generalize that ourselves.
We also have an interesting thinking style
which relates to what you can't see doesn't exist.
Typical people have good object permanence
and they would know that chair is there
even though they can't see it.
And what we see in schools
is often perceived as separation anxiety.
But when you get to school
and mum drops you off,
mum says bye.
And as soon as mum isn't there,
she doesn't exist for many of us on the spectrum.
Can you imagine how anxiety provoking it is
that they might never exist again?
Now I leave home and I say to the dog,
bye, see you later.
I know my dog can't speak English,
but if my dog is autistic,
I'm telling my dog I'm coming back.
So we need to be telling children
that people are coming back,
that places still exist.
A really good strategy around poor object permanence
is to have a photograph of the parent
and or the house at the end of the day.
You know those kids that keep saying
is it home time from five past nine until three o'clock?
They're panicking that home
or the family might not exist.
You could have a video recording of mum
saying have a nice day
or enjoy day service
if you're an adult service provider.
Enjoy your day, enjoy your learning.
See you later.
I'll pick you up at and whatever time,
but don't be late.
You can also give opportunities,
particularly for adult and young adult services,
to text during the day to reconnect,
to forge that connection that a person still exists.
We're also quite literal.
Literalness is really funny in the movies.
It's not so funny in real life.
Zip it up really does sound quite painful.
It doesn't mean be quiet.
There's a lovely story that you hear
in positive partnerships
if you do the positive partnerships training
about a young autistic boy
that at a petrol station of Servo
jumped out, ran in and said
my mum's drinking and driving
and repeated the whole drink drive advert
and they came and they breathalysed her
and she'd been drinking water.
But technically she was drinking and driving
because the advert doesn't talk about alcohol.
So we need to be really careful
the way that we address literalness
because literalness is quite a good thing
but it can also be quite a bad thing.
So when we talk about students
and we say they're naughty,
when my teacher said I was naughty
I became really naughty.
I'm very good at being naughty.
If they'd have told me I was good
perhaps I would have been very good at being good.
We need to teach what those metaphors
and idioms mean.
I've been in Australia five and a half years now.
It took me three years to understand
what a Servo was and an Ambo.
And how do you have a Smoko
with the Ambo at the Servo?
Like what?
So it's not just about an idiom or a metaphor
it's about the colloquial language that you use.
And we need to teach those implicit meanings.
Imagine all those young autistic people
who won't drink in the car and drive.
I have a water bottle in my car
because I'm obsessed with hydration
which we'll get to later.
And I drink at traffic lights.
But actually it took me a long time
to be able to drink in a car
because the rule is don't drink and drive.
We need to be talking about
do not drink alcohol and then drive.
But it's also do not drink alcohol before you drive.
And we don't talk about that.
We talk about drunk driving.
But I don't feel drunk
so therefore I'm not drunk driving.
We have an interesting thinking style
that isn't in the diagnostic descriptions of autism.
But it's that now is forever.
Otherwise known as broken record thinking
and many of you are too young
to know what a broken record is.
So it's kind of like buffering.
Only worse because it doesn't end.
And this is really problematic in many contexts.
The most well known for many of you
is when you try and get them off the computer or the game.
Because for us when we stop gaming
or whatever it is,
we can never do it again.
Do you remember that if it's not there,
it doesn't exist?
It's a very similar thing.
Turn taking is really problematic
because when it's my turn,
it's my turn forever.
When it's your turn,
that means it's never ever going to be my turn again.
And that's really quite distressing.
Playing games is therefore just so problematic.
It's not as simple as my turn, your turn
because you have to teach it coming back again.
You lose your phone.
You know teenagers when they lose their phone
and they get all melodramatic?
Autism's like that on steroids.
My phone got broken
and I was very melodramatic
and that was only last year.
How do we address that now as forever thinking?
Because it has a massive impact on teaching and learning.
It has a massive impact
of being able to work in the workplace.
We have to be really explicit
about the impermanence of everything.
Jill talked about broken expectations.
And I really like that as an explanation to change.
But actually everything changes.
I'm a second older than I was a second ago.
In a year, I'm not going to have
exactly the same characteristics I have now.
And if we can help children and young people
and adults really understand
life cycles, weather changes, everything.
We can help them to understand
that everything changes
so now cannot possibly be forever.
If we can develop mindfulness
there are heaps of benefits to that.
But it can really help us to address
that being present in the moment
we can actually feel and hear
and see those changes.
And then when we can understand
that change happens all the time
being really explicit about
what is going to happen.
For example, in turn taking,
it's not just your turn, my turn.
It's your turn, my turn,
and you're waiting for your turn.
This is my favorite thinking style.
This is why I think autistics
might one day rescue the world.
Social justice seems to be born with us
as we are born.
We come out kicking and screaming.
And this young lady, Greta Thunberg,
who some of you might have heard of,
is a next generation leader
on the cover of Time.
She's autistic.
If you haven't heard of her,
go and Google her.
And if you have autistic students
that you support, share her story.
We will stand up for things
at enormous cost
because we don't have
that peer pressure in the same way.
We don't understand it.
So we can use this sense of social justice
in a way that benefits everybody.
If I can be a volunteer,
I'm putting my social justice into practice
in a socially acceptable manner
because wearing my CND symbol at school
and carrying around my little piece of paper
from the UN declaration
that said I had the right to wear it
was not popular.
When we develop advocacy
and self-advocacy skills,
we can create a whole generation
of politicians
and social and community leaders
that are doing things
for the right reason.
We heard a number of times today
about teaching young people
who to seek help from
and how to seek help.
For autistics,
we also need to teach them
what to report
because sometimes
we are little police people
and we'll report every broken rule
except the one we broke.
And set aside time for problem solving.
I'm privileged to have a number
of neurodiverse people work with me.
And one of the things we're great at
is seeing problems
and then finding creative solutions to them.
Use that creative material
to fix what we know.
Quite logical.
If this happens,
then that happens.
But we don't always see
the bigger picture.
So our logic doesn't match your logic
and that's a problem.
But you can use that
if and then logic
to help us generalize
and apply new skills and knowledge.
Maybe about,
I don't know,
eight years ago,
my wife asked me
to go out for breakfast.
And this is a problem
because I can't leave the house
without having breakfast.
So I learned
that it's actually okay
to leave the house
without having breakfast.
And now I know
that it's always okay.
So if I go somewhere
and I don't like the breakfast,
it's okay to not eat it
and I can go somewhere else
to have breakfast.
So one small conversation
has helped me generalize something
that I didn't have for 30 odd years.
Doesn't have to just be around education.
One of the things
that autistics tend not to do
is use emotion
as a decision-making tool.
So when you go and buy a new car,
how many of you buy the car
that feels right?
I buy the car
with the best fuel efficiency
and the best safety record
because I want it to get me
from A to B cheaply.
Feel an emotion.
And if we don't understand
how and why other people
make emotional decisions,
that's where there are problems
in interpersonal skills.
And if you can understand
that autistics make decisions
based on logic,
that helps you.
And if you can't see our logic,
why did you think
that was a good idea?
What led you to that?
The only thing you take away today
from this talk
is to mean what you say
and say what you mean.
I will be a happier autistic
and an even happier teacher.
Because when you have a conversation
with an autistic,
it is very rare for us
to do anything other
than say exactly what we mean
and mean exactly what we say.
We were on a road trip
to Keith yesterday
and I asked one of my team,
are you glad you came along?
And there was an intake of breath
and I thought,
you're worried that this
was a hidden agenda question.
And I said,
there's no hidden agenda.
I never have a hidden agenda
when I ask a question.
And that's quite different,
isn't it,
to how we normally interact
with people if you're not autistic.
You can also use our logic
to teach new skills
really much more quickly
and efficiently
through forwards
and backwards chaining.
So this is an example
of a skill broken down
into lots of steps.
And if you go one way,
you start and they do the first step
and you do all the rest.
And the other way,
you do all of the steps
up to the end
and you build up one more
the other way.
So you're always setting up
for success.
I can't speak Russian.
I've never tried.
But if I was taught
to do that step by step
and I felt successful,
I would probably keep going.
But if I'm not successful,
how many of you
want to keep trying
if you're not successful?
And I know as educators,
we keep saying try,
try again, try again.
We don't.
Because I've never seen
anybody doing that.