Thrand and Eldgrim have been asked to test various weapons ans techniques that are European and Japanese to see how much the Iron Mountain Armory Japanese Tatami Armor can truly take by many viewers. So sit back grab and Ale, Mead or Sake and enjoy this extreme testing! They test Thrand's overarm throwing slide with 9" Celtic spear a late century Viking or Norman sword with cast blow and tip cut plus thrust a 50# bow with bodkin style point and the long retired Kusarigama to see how much this well made historical armor can take pushing it to the limits.
Be sure and like us on Facebook / thrand Be sure to Subscribe to our Youtube channel at https://www.youtube.com/user/ThegnThr... Help us keep channel going on Patreon / thrand ThegnThrand evaluates the durability of Japanese tatami armor by subjecting it to various strikes from a high-draw weight bow, a Viking-style sword, a heavy spear, and a kusarigama. These tests explore how different weapon types and impact angles affect the protection provided by the armor's layered plate and padding construction.
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This video evaluates the protective capabilities of traditional Japanese karuta (lamellar) armor against a variety of historical weapons. While the armor effectively absorbs impact and prevents penetration from many strikes, it remains vulnerable to high-kinetic energy weapons and precision strikes that exploit the gaps between the plates.
All right, we're back with our 45-50 pound bow. It's about within that range depending on how
much you draw it to the very last inch. We've tested it actually on rough, and we have an
error point that has actually been tapered to be shaped more like a bodkin. Although it's not a
long shape, this little steel tip actually comes to a four-way point, not a rounded point. Much
better for piercing steel or plate or anything like that. So we're going to shoot at our katami
armor today, and if we hit a karuta, we're going to see what kind of damage it actually does to it.
Let's go ahead and try it out on our brand new samurai analog today. I would say he's all right.
Let's get a look at that. Not exactly what we planned. We sure dimpled that plate, but other
than a nice gouge and a dimple, there was no chance of that going through. All right, we'll go ahead
and try to hit more in the middle if we can, more to where the bottle is centered in the chest. We
have our bottle in there. That was pretty nice. But it hit in between the plates themselves, so
the karuta didn't actually have a chance. Or no, actually, we hit the karuta and it glanced in,
as some people would assume is possible. See how deep we went in? We went in about two inches,
and what we did is we glanced off. It didn't go into the mannequin itself. It just went through
the cloth in our underbottom, about two inches. But the air, it slowed it down enough that we only
got two inches penetration, which yes, you could say that's bad, but we didn't actually go into
type of fleshy material or the bottle or anything, so that would have slowed it down even more. So
that's highly impressive on its own that it could stop an arrow that much even by hitting the tip
or corner of a karuta. Not bad at all. Oh! I don't know. That might have went into the...
Looks like it went between the plates again. Yeah, that was the only problem, going directly
between the plates without hitting the model. And I'd say we went directly into our bottle.
It sure feels like it. What I was been aiming for all this time,
and that was a bad penetration. Yeah, definitely. So there is a possibility of getting hit directly
between the karuta. It's not impossible. That's one of the reasons we want to test the newer
armor, Miyamoto, is because it is actually a breastplate. Much heavier gauge, and it's
laminated where there's areas that are double thick, and you've got a full breastplate, full
dome. This is just karuta or cards without kasari laced onto gambeson, basically, or thin gambeson.
So yeah, of course it's possible for something like that to take place. All right, I'm here with
a late century Viking sword, or Norman style sword. It's got the Brazil nut pommel. It's the
sword you always see in the videos that I use with the tip cut. Lots of videos to cut through
multiple layers of gambeson, even extremely heavy layers of gambeson, because we discovered that the
cast blow, as proposed by Roland Warzecha, using the actual tip of the sword, has so much energy
behind it, especially on these earlier type 10 blades and so on, with the design for cutting,
that it tends to go through almost anything. We've cut through steel, thin steel plates with it. We've
cut through heavy, thick plastics. We've done all kinds of stuff with it. So what we want to do today
is, everybody wants to see, and they've been requesting, to see what it'll do to an actual
karuta. If I hit the karuta, will it do anything to it? So we're gonna go ahead and test that out,
and see what happens. Oh, wow! A lot more impact. Didn't do much to the edge. A lot more impact,
and we bent the extreme curvature that's deeper than we've done with most things we've tried.
I kind of hit below the bottle, I think. I kind of did. I think I actually damaged the
manic in itself. So definitely something like broken bones, internal bleeding.
Possibly, yes. It's increasing how much force is going through. So yes, it's like getting,
the difference between getting hit with the flat of the sword, trying to cut you,
and slicing through, or more surface area, to bringing it down, and me hitting with just that
little point. It's kind of like a thrust, in essence of that smaller area, but it's the whole
length of the blade accelerating in a full-out swing, which has a larger range of motion,
and the area to accelerate being thrown out. So yeah, I am extremely impressed that the
karuta can handle that, but a lot of it has to do with it being able to give,
and it being on this backing. I think if we had this type of metal, we might have been able to
punch a hole in it, if it wasn't able to give like this. Yeah, well you know, we've put the
sarashi on, and that should help hold the plates like they actually would be, because a belt or
something would be worn with this. This is actually not the exact right position, because it would be
covering this area here normally on a regular person, but this is a mannequin, so it's not
quite like that. But I've also put it a little higher up, so I can see the plates I need to
hit in the proper area, so I don't make that mistake and hit underneath it,
because I'd hit right under the bottle in a little gap area, and we'll get a better result.
I hit a little low, but apparently it did not go through. It looks like it kind of skipped
off the plates, cut, maybe cut some threads. I think it did, and it cut the actual thread
holding the plate. Now if I was able to hit right in between, I know it would go through.
If I was able to hit in between, because the gamut is not that thick, I know it would go through.
That actually hit the plate. I was actually aiming for about this area on this plate,
because I wanted a nice mid-range area, and I hit a little bit low.
Now I hit higher again. We cut some of our cloth, but we skipped from plate to plate.
Did do a lot of damage to this plate, and that is over our actual bottle.
So I'm going to say that actually hitting the plates, I don't think with them giving like this
in the backing, it's acting like mail. You can't cut through mail with a tip shot either.
So unless you were to get really lucky and hit right in between here,
like exactly without hitting, I don't think you're going to go through it with a tip shot even. It's
just causing a lot of deformation to the plates. There's a lot of impact under it. Depending on
what kind of padding, if you had extra padding or the heavier kimono or something under it,
depending on the weather, I guess temperature and what you're going to wear, you might get
some broken ribs possibly from that, because that is a very extreme blow in a very small area. It's
more like getting hit with the tip of an axe than an actual sword with that type of cast blow.
I figure if I didn't test it, somebody would say with a stiffer type 10 blade,
why didn't you try thrusting for that or thrust through? So I will give it a shot to see what
happens. We got a nice dimple and it looks nasty. And I hit that same place kind of,
well, not exactly the same place. This is over the actual bottle, but yeah,
I hit the same place that I tried cutting and it didn't go through.
Would you say it had to do with the armor again, acting like mail?
It's acting like mail and giving, just like any type of lamellae or lamellar where you have scale
or plates that are laced together, joined with kusari or mail or like in Indonesia,
they join them with mail and plates and so on. It does the same thing. The plates
are actually more effective because they give and they're over some kind of padding
than they would be earlier period, trying to make them into a breastplate. That's why we're
so excited about the new armor when we get it is because it's actually going to be a solid
doe from a later century. I had to hit it way off to the right, trying for maximum power.
We skipped and hit a plate, but no penetration of the kai didn't get in between the seams.
Actually caused it to glance. And this is a really stiff blade, so the blade's not bending a lot.
So I'm impressed that it's not going through actually.
I think everyone brought that up that it's actually stiff. So yes, it's very stiff.
Not as acutely tapered as some of the later century thrusting designs, but it is a stiff blade.
Oh, that was me giving this thing everything I got. And no, I didn't purposely line the blade
horizontal, you know, which would be easier to maybe slip through. I did it straight up and down
and that's all we got. We made it into our bottle. So he would be bleeding still two out of three
ain't bad on survival. Oh, not bad at all. And this isn't even that bad. I mean, other than maybe
as hard as I hit him, I think in the solar plex area, uh, he would not be getting up from the
impact. It's not even the wound, but the wound could be a hair deeper than it looks, but we
shall see. I think that's awesome. And it looks, it's time to remove it. It looks as if I hit a
plate and slipped in, like some people, some of the fans said would take place. But like I say,
how wide the blade is makes a difference because these two plates kind of caught it and stopped
it. Ate up some of the energy because it has to, like I said, the only way we would have gotten
straight in without the plates interfering, if you could manage to not get one at all
and spliced horizontally. Yes, that's a very good possibility to maybe try to do that.
But, uh, there's a good chance you're going to hit a plate as well. And if you hit a plate,
you're going to lose energy. You lose energy. You're probably not going to make it through the
actual, uh, cloth garments underneath. Let's see what it does with the actual overall throwing
slide. It has like extreme velocity. And this is a pretty substantial, uh, spear or pull off,
even though it's got a broadhead. Let's go and see what happens. Oh, that went through.
Uh, yeah, we went in between spreading the plates, tearing them free. Missed the bottle, I think,
by about an inch. So there wasn't much backing it, but it definitely made it through. And it's
in there pretty good because we cut into plates as we went in. So I think if we hit on a plate,
we will get pierced. That was nasty. And as you can see, we actually had the plates and the cloth
cut all the way through. And it's actually cutting into each side of the plate. I even
noticed from the sword, it cut into the plate slightly, but nothing like this. This cut the
actual holes and into the metal where the actual stitching is. I cannot wait to see what happens
if we hit on the top of the middle of the board. And we actually hit on a plate. That's going to
be the worst dimple or cave-in that we had of all of them. And it cut into the plate, but it did not
make it through. That wasn't the most power I could put in it, but it was an accurate blow
trying to hit on top of the plate. Look how much you creased it though. Oh yeah. The injuries you
take internally would be... And I'll say it again, over the solar plexus and the sternum,
that kind of impact with the amount of padding we got here, I think would have disabled him at least
for the moment, whether he died or not. Unbelievable. But the gib is actually
eating up the energy. That's what's going on. The gib is actually eating our energy up. I am
extremely surprised. So again, it's acting like mail or some kind of similar armor. I'll try to
hit it in this area here where I think it's a little more solid. It did hit the bottom,
but it's a little more solid at the angle here on the torso. Let's see what happens.
Yes. Oh, I think we got a turn at the angle. We've cut a plate and I think he is now dead.
It cut into the plates. Make sure it made it through even with this broad of blade.
It literally cut the plate. All right. As you can see, we've actually cut the plates.
Pull this out. And yes, that plate has been cut. And this plate's been cut. It just happened to
hit in between and glanced as it cut in. And yes, that is into our, I mean, this is a big
gaping wound. I can stick my fingers into the wound and feel them. As you can tell,
this went into the bottom and that's the actual edge cutting the bottom rupture and
pushed in, caving in the bottom. A lot of water splashed out as it's going in and we have a
really substantial wound. This is a very, very nasty gaping wound. It actually cut the plates
as we saw. So that's what allowed even such a broad spear to go through because of that type
of weight behind the spear and being accelerated to that degree has an extreme impact. Even the
Japanese use some sliding techniques with their two handed yari use. And that's got to be the
reason why to accelerate the spear to possibly pierce something while it couldn't. But as you
see here, this is devastating. This man would definitely be off the field. He'd be dead in my
opinion. Because if you look at how deep it went in, even if the spear only went so far,
all that compression would have made a much deeper wound in the body. All right. Something
people have been asking us to bring back for a very long time was the Kusarigama. And the idea
behind that is it's a military pick. In Japanese history, a lot of these were made out of solid
metal. It wasn't even a wooden handle. It really acts like it's an agricultural tool, but they
focused more on the point than they did in, let's say, in the Okinawan martial arts where they talk
about cutting with the curved edge, like if you're harvesting rice or something. No, they focused on
a military style pick that was reinforced to stab through armor or get into niches of armor. Today
we're going to try to go straight through the Karuta if we can. I'm not going to worry about
hitting it with the weight. It would just be impact. There's no way to gauge that to see what
it would be doing to him. And we'd probably be aiming at more open areas anyway. So I'm going
to come in here and see what we can do and give it everything I got. Oh, that was a glance.
Or was it? It hit, bounced out, and we have a piercing in the actual Karuta.
We have a piercing in the actual Karuta. This is the first time we've actually got a hole
in the Karuta or the card plate. And I don't think we hit our bottle. That's over the bottle,
but I don't think it's getting... Oh, I may be wrong. I could be wrong. I'm seeing some
leakage here. It might have actually pierced it. Not very deeply because the plate stopped it,
but we do have a piercing into the bottle. I'm seeing the liquid right here coming out. So
yes, I think we've pierced our bottle. That actually cut a hole into our Karuta. I'd like
to try that again. And I would say that considering we hit the plate, and if you look
here, I hit in between the plates, but I hit a plate and cut the plates. I would say this has
some extreme force. And of course, I think he's dead. We have that all the way in. It seems like
that's part of the secret to getting in between here is the actual edge cutting through the
plates. If you look right here, you can notice that not only are we impaling that bottle,
and that's deep enough to kill the man, and we cut through all those layers of cloth,
but we actually cut into the plates the same as we did with the actual overarm throwing slide.
So the throw that you get from the heavy spear being accelerated, whether it's done two-handed
sliding or overarm, the overarm seems to be the most powerful, is the same kind of acceleration
you get from having a lever or a handle and accelerating a point the same way.
Disadvantages, these can get hung up in people and so on, but look at this.
All the way in, and we actually cut our plate and tore it loose.
Now what we've got here is we've crushed the plate. I mean, it's pretty much folded in half,
and it's loose, so I can show you the backing. We actually pierced a plate, but it looks like
if you don't hit in between the plates and you hit on a plate, even with the overarm slide and
the give, you're going to get the impact. You're going to get hurt. You might get a little dimple
through it, but it's probably going to be mostly the extreme force and the impact. You're going to
be taking bludgeoning damage pretty much from the focus behind the smaller point. You're not going
to be taking an actual piercing. If it hits in between, like we're seeing, it can literally cut
the plates to push the plates apart to get through. That's what we're seeing. These edges are
actually cutting into the plates as they're piercing to make sure they can go through,
because the plates are in the way, stopping them as it's tearing the actual lacing and stuff,
trying to get through. In defense of this model, these are supposed to be each individually laced.
This was the first prototype that he sent us, and they're laced completely around with one
threading. If you cut one, they'll start coming undone. If you order the newer models that he has,
each hole is individually laced. I'm still extremely impressed. This has protected him
to a great degree, more than I would expect. After everything we did today here,
his survivability was more than 50-50. I'd say it'd be about 60-40, maybe 65-35.
At times, depending on the weapon, 75% of the time, he was surviving easily without even a
really bad wound, other than maybe the impact. You might get a broken bone or so on, depending
on how much padding you have underneath. I think the armor's performed very well.
We tried to come back with all the tests that you all wanted to see. We really want you to
try to help us, because we want to get that Miyamoto style, the elite samurai armor.
If I'm not mistaken, we're at 550. I believe it's 525 or 550. We're very close. We just need that
little bit more, and we'll actually have it shipped out. It's going to be a beautiful armor,
and it's going to be way harder and way tougher than this, and a lot more to test on it. It'll be
a lot more fun. Not that this wasn't, but we're going to repair this so we can have it for future
episodes. We want to thank Michael Lasterita with Iron Mountain Armory for sending it to us.