Reform supporter defends party after 'racist' remarks captured on film

There's a line in here that I want to walk with you in our conversations this hour. Racist language doesn't surprise me anymore. Well, it never really did. It shocks me, it displeases me, I don't like it, I think it's appalling, but it doesn't surprise me anymore. It wouldn't surprise me to hear it in other parties, to be honest. It certainly doesn't surprise me to hear it in Reform, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear it in other parties, types of racism, or sexism. But the reason I use the word degenerate in my conversation with John is there are a couple of aspects of these clips. And these are just the ones we have heard so far, which really do tip over into degenerate language and dark stuff. Literally drag them at their homes, stick them on planes and come off to Pakistan. Dragging people out of their homes and sending them back to Pakistan. Think about that for a second. you know if you know anything about history and most of us do know something about history um you don't ever want to be party as an individual to scenes where people are dragged out of their homes wherever they're sent to beyond that point you don't want to be part of that that that is degenerate thinking that is degenerate thinking it's not just bad it's not just impolite it's not just a little bit strong it's not just a bit of racism which is bad enough it's degeneracy that's what that is and it's alarming to me in the extreme and also the the grotesque sexism that we hear again i'm not surprised by sexist language i'm on the receiving end of it all the flipping time you know most women are that doesn't that wouldn't surprise anyone but when a man who's busy telling his mate he fancies a female colleague wraps that thought that attraction up into the idea of bathing his own daughter we tip back into degeneracy if she was my daughter she could be bathed on the first i'll wash it back through this time that is what degeneracy is um and there's a difference this isn't what Richard Tice would have you believe that these aren't examples of the kind of racist version of locker room talk or the sexist version of locker room talk it's more than that it's more than that and the anger in that the first man who talked about well if they've got an Asian name i don't even knock on their door drag them out the house send them back to Pakistan they kind of the the derision and this and sort of his loathing in his voice was very evident i think so Reform has a problem without a doubt it has a problem and i for all the difficulties we've seen in our country in the last well forever we you know all countries have difficulties and have people who are racist and sexist and the rest of it i don't believe that the vast majority of people in this country and the vast majority of you listening to this program are comfortable with what you've just heard you might have issues around the numbers of immigrants in this country that's fine perfectly in perfectly legitimate political view to to state or social view to state as well um you might have um issues with uh what else did they allude to um you might have issues even with the the makeup of your community that you want a better balance in particular areas um fine these are good they're perfectly normal views but what we've just heard there is not normal mainstream Britain i absolutely do not believe it and therefore Reform if they want to lead the country and run the country have a problem Claire in Deptford hello hello um i think that the vast majority of reform and even restore voters are not racist but they are angry and that's because the public has been put at risk by illegal and mass legal immigration and the British people are waking up to it um the government media police the legal system and schools are all pushing idealistic multicultural narratives and denying and covering up real the real associated problems and british people are becoming angry when they find out they've been lied to what's being denied the grooming gangs why has the labour party why is it going to court to stop the crime numbers by nationality and immigration status being risk being released how dare they hide that truth from citizens it needs to be released to the citizens of this country and then you know faced up to well i think what's happened is that the mainstream media labour greens and conservatives have very successfully managed to label reform as racist and that's because it used to be that a government's duty was to look after its citizens and from decades ago left-wing woke liberalism which was well-meant initially but it's gradually given more than equal rights and benefits to so many minorities of all sorts and that sounds worthy but it has come at more and more of a cost to everyone else and all cultures have been lauded as equal covering up any negatives and our British culture has been denigrated non-British cultures have become above criticism and that's led to the rape gang cover-up and shouts of racism being treated more seriously than actual crime leading to issues like the Henry Novak tragedy. Okay. Now, I don't agree with absolutely everything you've just said there, Claire, but everything you've just said there are perfectly cogent, legitimate arguments to make. I agree with some of what you said there, but not all of it. But that doesn't matter. I'm just saying that there you have a woman, you are a woman completely capable of making cogent arguments and opening up a discussion. that is very different from calling asian people in an infestation parasites uh not even deigning to knock on their door when you're campaigning dragging people out of their homes and sending them back to pakistan uh it's very different isn't it yes i agree with that but it's when people have been lied to by their government and the truth is not being put out there so that so that things can be analyzed and issues are being covered up then it can push people into racism against all that but that's still not acceptable and and Claire lots of people have been lied to by their government and by authorities on any number of issues think of the post office case for example worse than lied to lives ruined it didn't it didn't turn them into beasts they they tackled what had been done to them they were rightly angry with the government yeah and you have every right to be but the government will release the figures then why is Labour not releasing the figures okay that's that's a good conversation in a different conversation yeah if it turns if that anger turns a person into i don't think it does turn people into degenerates i think they were degenerates probably to start with but somebody speaking because because the language that man has used those men have used is entirely different to the language you were using even though some of the things you're making uh points about are are in the same area yeah we we have to treat people equally and we must not deny but we must not deny reality we need to call out bad behavior without fear or favor and analyze whether any cultures or nationalities are over represented and address that and are you a Reform i am what about what about the comment about the bathing your own daughter because of sexual attraction to somebody else i have to say i'm so sorry i didn't hear i haven't heard the comments made by them but i so i've called um literally i just caught the end of everything well let me tell you what he said yeah i just wonder is there anything that will turn you off the reform party This man. Shall we play it? Shall we play it to you? OK. Here we go. Oh, s***, mate. If she was my daughter, it'd still be bath night on a Thursday. God. Oh, God, we're all going to end up in the papers. So he knew what he was doing. I couldn't quite hear that. If she was my daughter... It would still be bath night on a Thursday. This was after he'd seen a woman he was attracted to, a female colleague. It would still be bath night on a Thursday. If she was my daughter. OK. Oh, I see. Oh, well, yeah. I mean, that's obviously completely wrong. But I don't know who said that. I have met many reform candidates. A reform councillor. A reform. OK, well, he he is obviously wrong. I haven't. It's not as wrong as it's degenerate. Properly. Yeah, that that sounds degenerate. I don't know. I need to listen to the whole the whole thing. People do make jokes. You know that it could have just been a silly joke. And I think also we've gone too far with stopping people being having comedy about things. is this comedy or is this degenerate have a listen if it's an asian name i'm not even knocking the door they are not voting reform i ain't wasting my time he's trying to get re-elected in an area he says has too many asian households look at this one two three four five that one might belong to him i don't know but again this is just what we're infested with that's why they're buying along here because the houses have got big gardens they're absolutely parasites absolute parasite you'd need a proper nuclear option like literally drag them out their homes stick them on planes and f*** them off to Pakistan which you'll never do in a month of Sundays I'd be saying no more than one percent of British population can be non-white I see I hear I would say in response to that we have many candidates in reform who are of the minorities we have Zia Youssef we have dweller braverman we have uh layla cunningham and but a lot of a lot of minority candidates will not raise their voice for reform even if they agree with some of the policies because they're scared of the reaction from their own communities um and also anti-white racism is rising in this country driven by the anti-colonialist and dei project anti-semitism is rising driven by pro the pro palestine propaganda and also i don't think people are aware of the muslim brotherhood issue it sounds like they are in this program no it's not we they are aware of it and we talk about it on this program and i intend to do so more but claire thank you clearly uh you you will object to some of those things but they're not um they're not putting you off the party uh claire in deptford thank you very much indeed so these councillors and what you've heard from them a couple of times now they are a few bad apples or a symptom of a party that has a problem Thank you.