TMZ Live - 10/19/26

Welcome to TMZ Live. It may have taken 30 years, but it is possible that we now know where the murder weapon ended up, the one that O.J. Simpson used to kill his ex-wife, Nicole Brown Simpson, and Ron Goldman. And guess what? It was a block from my house. Well, yes, that is the sub-headline. That is the sub-headline. The location actually being close to your house. It is a weird cross, I don't know how that would possibly happen, but. The bigger thing is who the alleged accomplice would be here. And it is a guy with mafia ties who was in the mafia who, according to his brother, actually went to help O.J. the night of the murders, June 12th, 1994, and came home bloodied, covered in blood in his clothes, his hands. And he had a bag. This is the important part. He had a bag that was weighted down with something heavy. and the guy's name is Joey Ippolito. His brother, Sam, spoke to the New York Times and talked about what Joey went through that night. Well, Joey also spoke to the feds because aside from being in the mafia, he was a convicted drug dealer. He escaped from prison. I don't think that's aside from being in the mafia. I think that is actually part of why he was in the mafia. When you're a mafioso and you're good, you don't go to prison. Uh, no, no, no, no. I would say a good mafioso gets pinched and he goes to prison and does his time and does... But listen, we're not going to get into the mafia here. That's not what we're getting off for. So, he ended up talking to feds and he told them basically the story that he told his brother. And this was back during the investigation. June 12, 1994, at about 6 in the evening, Joey left and came back at midnight. Remember, O.J. killed Ron and Nicole at around 10 at night. He came back at midnight, his hands were bloody, and he brought that bag. And so his brother says that Joey took his clothes off, put them in the bag, and his hands, as Charles said, were bloody, and he called Al Cowlings. Now, that name may ring a bell because Al Cowlings was O.J. Simpson's best friend. He's the guy who was driving the Bronco on the slow-speed chase. so the way the New York Times is writing it and based on everything I know it this is believable that Al Cowlings according to the Times it seemed like they made it seem like Al Cowlings knew where the knife was knew where the bloody clothes were that OJ Simpson had worn and that Eppolito was the golden retriever who picked them up and then took them back to their apartment is the apartment he shared with his brother on Doheny Drive and actually and once they were there joey says to his brother sam get rid of this meaning the bag and sam says he took that bag to a construction site on Doheny Drive a few blocks from your home not less than a few blocks it was like a block from my house and he threw it in a dumpster out at this construction site so so where now stupid me i didn't go dumpster diving that diving that night and here i am reporting on the OJ Simpson story from start to finish and the knife was literally a stone's throw perhaps there's part of this that i find questionable but parts of the story that just don't let me tell you why i find unbelievable O.J. Simpson, after he killed Ron and Nicole, went back to his house in Rockingham. And he was in a panic because he was being picked up by a limo to take him to LAX to fly him to Chicago. So O.J. was in the backyard and he hits the air conditioner at the guest house. And Kato Kaelin, who was in the guest house, heard the thud. oj was dropping he dropped the glove and probably the knife and that um oj then threw his clothes somewhere but those clothes were never found the knife was never found and it would seem that so here's the thing if if joey the cleaner so to speak goes to pick up the knife why did joey leave a glove because he didn't see it because a bad cleaner he didn't see it because it was dark Or O.J. didn't drop the knife there. He just dropped the glove, and he took the knife inside. But whatever it is, and I can tell you, I know, because I was there when they did a sweep of his property. They never found the knife. They never found his clothes. So somebody got rid of them. Somebody got rid of those clothes. I agree there. Somebody got rid of that knife. There had to be some accomplice to get rid of all that stuff. There had to be an accomplice. So why not Joey? So here's the thing. The feds are saying, we told prosecutors about Joey, and they knew it, and they never called him to the stand. So, honestly, I think this is a bum rap for prosecutors, but the person who would probably be in the best position to know was one of the two lead detectives on the case. Yes. If you follow the OJ case, you know the name, Tom Lange, the former LAPD officer who was the detective, who was the lead detective, as you say, one of the lead detectives on this case. And he is joining us now to talk about the possible accomplice in Mr. Ippolito. Tom Lang, welcome back to TMZ Live. My pleasure. Sure. So, Tom, the New York, I'm sure you read the New York Times story. How much credence do you put in this story that Joey Ippolito was the cleanup man? Pretty close to zero. How come? Zero. Well, again, I'd have to tell you this, but homicide cops deal with evidence, not supposition. You have a central figure in the story now who's been dead for a number of years. his brother came out with a lot of information that's been questioned his credibility has been questioned i don't know one way or the other it makes for an interesting story as far as entertainment goes but as far as evidence goes there's nothing really there but Tom did you did the LAPD I know that uh Joey had spoken to the feds um but did you ever have an opportunity Did LAPD have an opportunity to interview Joey Ippolito? No, we never did. Now, that's not saying that there wasn't information regarding him. But this case, like in most high-profile cases, if not all of them, you get a lot of information that's erroneous coming in. So we built a so-called flu file. Initially, we had like 518 of these call-ins, various information. And we had to categorize them. Some of them were worth looking at Others weren't As far as Zappolito goes We did have his name I believe in three different So-called clues, call-ins But they were from other organizations One from my ABC News And it was I believe in 1992 No, 19... Oh gosh Anyway, it had to do with the federal indictments We got a call from the feds as saying that Zappolito was involved with AC colleagues. They didn't say how. They didn't say what ties that that would have with the case. They just said this is for your background information, only that they were looking into an investigation, a federal investigation regarding Apolito. That's all. They had nothing to do with the murders. We did take a look at that again. This had nothing to do with our case. Evidence-wise or any other thing, In any high-profile case, you get a lot of people calling in. We got eight people that called in and admitted to the murder, okay? You know, Harvey, you've been around a long time. You know these things happen. And so you have to kind of, you got to look at all of them that you picked through them. And so this, to me, was just, it had nothing to do with it. no relevance at all when they're trying. I get your point, but I think we do agree on this, that somebody cleaned up for O.J. Simpson. He left too quickly that he could not have disposed of that knife, his clothing and whatever other evidence there was. And, you know, a lot of people have kind of insinuated that Al Cowling's either helped and we don't have direct evidence of that or evidence of that. Um, but I know a guy, um, who was on the LAPD police force, um, a cop friend of mine who worked for a guy named Wayne Hughes who owned public storage and Wayne Hughes had employed Al Cowlings after the murders. And Wayne Hughes told my cop friend who worked for LAPD, um, Al Cowlings is telling me way too much about those murders i don't want to know about it so it feels like he knew something somebody cleaned up so it could be a Polito well i don't know what you mean by clean up uh as far as the knife goes if that's what you're talking about yeah we actually have a witness at the airport that saw Simpson probably within 45 minutes after the murders before the bodies had been even discovered at the airport getting on a flight to go to Chicago, standing by the left side of the entrance of the airport, the American Airlines, with a little tote bag on top of the container, taking items out of the container, shoving them down into the trash container, and zipping it up, picking it up, and walking back into the airport. I remember that well, but that guy didn't see what was taken out of the bag. But I get your point. that's certainly better than hearsay or or someone thinking that this may have happened and that may have happened this is a solid witness nobody says that's direct evidence but circumstantially that looks pretty good as far as time wise and everything else so that's the story you asked you know where the murder weapon could be or how did he clean up certainly that to me is more relevant than any anybody talking about hearsay saying well this could have happened because so-and-so said it now joey apolito of course is dead which makes it pretty convenient for that story to be out there so you think uh do you think his brother sam his brother Sam spoke to the New York Times, are you saying that Joey lied to his brother or is his brother telling stories to the New York Times? Well, uh, Sam, he doesn't have a reputation, his credibility has been questioned in that very article, the New York Times article. a lot more than I could, for people who have a lot more information on him than I do. Again, this is not evidence of anything. if there's anything there, then you've got to pick it up, regardless of whether or not the case has been solved, which it has been solved. He wasn't convicted, it doesn't mean the case wasn't solved. So, this is interesting to talk about, but where's the meat? Where's the beef? I don't know. Okay, good Clara Peller reference. I got to say, Tom, it's really great seeing you. We really appreciate you coming on. You too, Harvey. Good seeing you. Coming up, Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed on the campaign trail this weekend. And things got pretty heated when someone in the audience of a town hall he was having asked a question about his alleged ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. So I want to disagree with something. Be right back. Senate candidate Abdul El-Sayed on the campaign trail this weekend. And things got pretty heated when someone in the audience of a town hall he was having asked a question. A question he's been asked before and has answered before about his ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. Or his alleged ties to the Muslim Brotherhood. I will say that he has often deflected his answer and instead kind of shamed the person who asked it, insinuating that it might be racist, that it was inappropriate, it was irrelevant. And that's one of the reasons he's been criticized is that it's a question that a lot of people think is a fair question, not because he necessarily is directly tied, but he has family members who are tied. So it seems, according to tweets that NBC found from his half-sister. So the question came up again from a guy named Tommy, who is now famous for this back-and-forth that he had with El-Sayed. Will you disavow the Muslim Brotherhood? What's your name? No, what's your name? No, what's your name? No, no, what's your name? No, your friend's got the mic here. Would you answer? I'm asking you a simple question. You give me your name, I'll answer the question. Okay, Tommy. Hi, Tommy, how are you? I'm great. Are you? Do you know what the Constitution of the United States is? I have one question. Will you disavow the Muslim Brotherhood? Sure. Yeah, absolutely. But I want to ask the question that you're asking. Why are you asking the question? Well, because they're a terrorist group. Okay. No, no, but what are you implying? Do you assume that I wouldn't? Yes. Why not? Because I have not heard you disavow them yet. Have you disavowed them? I haven't heard you disavow them yet. I disavowed them. Do you? You're great. But here's the thing about it. You're asking the question because implicitly you assume that I'll have dual loyalties. Do you know who John F. Kennedy is? When he ran for president, he was asked whether or not he was going to have allegiance to the Pope at the Vatican. Because, of course, he's Catholic. And his answer, famously, was that he was not running to be a Catholic president. He was running to be president and happened to be Catholic. I'm not running to be a Muslim senator. I'm running for U.S. Senate and happen to be Muslim. So I want to disagree with something. I remember I was 10 years old when John F. Kennedy said this, and it's a disingenuous statement. He was a Catholic president, and that is not a bad thing. It's that you bring your own views and what you learn growing up into who you are today. And he was a Catholic president, and it's a legit question to say, hey, there might be an abortion issue, there might be another issue, and how does that impact you? No, no, no, and I agree with you. And the same thing with El-Sayed. No, no, no, this is a bad comparison. He compared it. Because the comparison, if you're saying that, is that everyone who's Muslim must have some terrorist ties. No, the reason he's being asked that is because his specific family, according to NBC and some other reports, did have ties. I'm not saying he does, but the family did. And I'm not saying he's definitely part of it. I'm just saying it's a legitimate question, and he was trying to shame this guy. If the question was coming from the point of view of your family members, but I don't think that's what we're asking here. I mean, the guy didn't say, Tommy didn't say anything about the family. He didn't say about family members. He said, because I haven't heard you disavow it. And the question I asked of John F. Kennedy was not whether you will bring your Catholic thoughts and feelings to the office. It was whether you would have allegiance to the Pope. And that is a horrible question because we never would ask. Right, because now you're asking Al-Sayed, do you have allegiance to terrorist groups because you're Muslim? This would be the equivalent of asking Joe Biden, do you have allegiance to the Pope? I hear you. If Tommy had said, well, this is how your sister tweeted this. If that's what Tommy had said, then that makes sense. And I get it. But Tommy didn't say that. But that's the shorthand of what's going on here. Because he's also used this in other venues. and he did say, you know, at a point, very quickly, you know, I absolutely disavow it. I mean, you kind of hear it, but that was the question. And, you know, and I get it. They didn't mention the family, but that's why this is being asked. First of all, El-Sayed has talked about this. He's talked about the fact that it was his half-sister and his mother who had no relationship at all, and he has disavowed it. No, no, no, he said that. He did say that. But then there have been times when he hasn't gone the additional step and disavowed it. That's what our chat is noting, that it seems like he's a bit defensive and that he doesn't totally disavow it and kind of changes the topic. And they're confused on, well, if he has no ties himself, why would he kind of evade the question like that? I think just, look, I have a lot of misgivings about al-Sayed, but I think to say that he has been waffled at all on his disavowal of the Muslim Brotherhood is just not paying attention to what he has said all along. You're just wrong on that. I'm not. Look, he just disavowed it there. So, you know, take him at his word. But there have been plenty of times he goes to that, How dare you ask me that question. In a way, his disavowal gets overshadowed by his going on the attack against the question. When Donald Trump was pressing Barack Obama on his birth certificate, which was a hugely racist attack. Well, it was totally racist. Barack Obama refused to engage in that conversation. He refused to talk about it at all. But here's the difference. The difference is that with Barack Obama, it was pure racism on Donald Trump's part. Donald Trump, I'm sorry for saying this, but Donald Trump is totally racist with al-Sayed, calling him Mohammed and accentuating it. It's just racist. But the question is not rooted in, oh, because you're Muslim. The question is rooted in, you've got family members, so just give us an answer to this. I think you are bending over backwards to find Tommy not to be a racist. that question is based in racism it just is is there is there not a difference between saying there is somebody is muslim and therefore i i have the question versus you have family members so what about you addressed that point many times defensively and that's the odd part jay's anatomy atlanta georgia i definitely feel like it definitely has some undertones of racism and you definitely have to be careful on the context and when you're saying stuff like that because we know the climate that we're in. And so I feel like it's very easy for us to identify when we hear things like this because we see it in our own administration. So I definitely can see where the undertones can definitely be giving the wrong message. Selena Gomez has a big announcement about her voice or what has been potentially changing her voice. Yeah. You all right? You got to clear your throat there? I got to vape. You don't vape, that we know of. But Selena does, and um seems like she has made a big decision about that nicotine is so hard to quit and i think i just wanted to say if you're going through it or if you're even trying to vape it's just not worth it it it's it's so stupid and it's changed my voice but um i am really excited because i stopped and i just hope we can keep it up it's really hard but i know if you are going through something you can get through it too it was weird to hear her say anyway i'm really excited yeah about quitting vaping this is me excited no but clearly it is difficult i mean vaping has become a very addictive thing that i see people walking around like just constantly with the vape in their hands and there there's a guy in my i saw a guy in my gym over the weekend who was working out and then all of a sudden i see smoke coming out of his mouth and he was vaping in the gym it's become a serious addiction and as to whether or not it's actually changed her voice some of her fans have noticed there's a change in fact there's apparently i haven't seen this guy but someone's saying there's a guy in TikTok who has been doing an impersonation of her new voice which is my which is why she may be doing this and maybe yeah might have brought it to her attention Coming up... Things are getting spicy on Dancing with the Stars. There is now a suspension of a dancing pro on Dancing with the Stars. Either way I'm calling BS on this, but go on. Uh, well, okay. Well, the suspended dancer is Val Chmerkovsky. Be right back. TMZ's got every freaking thing. Big celebs, big stories, big events. Donald Rollins took TMZ DC on a city tour. You know what the irony of this is? A black man takes a white person to the White House. I think they're getting spicy on Dancing with the Stars. Normally, when we talk about suspensions and sports and things like that... It's serious stuff. It's very serious stuff. There is now a suspension of a dancing pro on Dancing with the Stars. By the way, I'm calling BS on this, but go on. Okay, well, the suspended dancer is Val Chmerkovsky. Easy for you to say. Yes, he's been a pro on the show for many, many, many years. His wife, Jenna Johnson, is also a pro on the show. And last week, there was some heavy criticism of her, in particular from one of the judges, Carrie Ann Inaba. Right. So this is what Val posted. It's a little coded, but I think you'll be able to see through it. He said, you almost saw Fresh Prince enter the ballroom last night. Okay, so to decode that, Fresh Prince Will Smith Will Smith on Family Feud the number one answer slapping Chris Rock so are you insinuating you might slap Carrie Ann Inaba that's the way they did a somersault on the dance floor to suspend Val for one show they suspended him for one show by the way Carrie Ann Inaba saw what Val posted and she He said something, posted something in response saying like, oh, is this what we're doing now? And Val did at that point apologize, although I think his apology, did his apology come before or after the suspension? No, his apology came after news got out that he would not be appearing on this week's show. So after the suspension, he said, I made a poor decision to reference a meme to keep my wife's name out of the conversation without stopping to think through what else that reference could imply. Keep my wife's name out of your mouth. I mean, right. Because right after Will Smith said that, he slapped the you-know-what out of Chris Rock. So, yeah, of course people are going to take it that way. He's definitely playing dumb, as in, oh, I didn't know that anyone else could read it that way. Have you ever heard somebody say, I'm so mad I could kill you? They're not really going to kill you. You know, it's like an expression. Usually. He's not going to slap Carrie Ann. He is not going to slap Carrie Ann. This is a publicity stunt that the show is using to get people to watch And then next week, watch when Val comes back with his tail between his legs. Well, I would say this week is the week to watch in regards to Fresh Prince because Tatiana Ali, who played the younger sister in Fresh Prince Bel-Air, is one of the celebs. Oh, wow. So they're going to use this as reference back. And they want you to think. Maybe he will, but they certainly want you to think that Will Smith is going to show up. So this week is dedication night, And she chose to dedicate it to James Avery, who played Uncle Phil on the show. So there have been whispers, rumors, hopes and desires. And why wouldn't Will want to be there to honor? That Will Smith would be there. B.S. B.S. B.S. Our chat is agreeing. They say Carrie Ann is also, was kind of in the wrong in that situation. They think this is all just PR stunt, not worthy of a suspension. Carrie Ann is like the Simon Cowell of Dancing with the Stars. So she is the toughest, and she gets very, very, very technical. Wait a second. Who's Val dancing with? So, he's with Jenna Dewan from The Rookie, from Step Up. So, what happens to Jenna? Does she have to dance with someone else? She's dancing with a pro who was previously eliminated, Alan. Who's great. He is great, but a lot of people say he's not Val. And Val and Jenna have already developed this chemistry that will not be there this week. Is this not just painfully obvious to all, Carrie Ann? I want to know. This is a PR stunt. It totally is. Who is the commissioner of Dancing with the Stars? Really? Who is the commissioner? ABC. Who are the execs? Yeah. Hi, my name is Paris. I'm from Miami. But honestly, I feel like he's not wrong for my husband to come like that behind me if I was his wife. So that's all I got to say. So you just like the fact that he was defending his wife regardless of the references to violence. Of course. The references to violence. Oh, my God. Coming up, our TMZ DC crew is on a road trip. In Texas, there's governor's race. Indeed. And our Jacob Wasserman got himself a little interview with the governor. Pick it up. That's for you. This is for me? This is for you. Toss it back. I got something really embarrassing to say. I'm gluten free. Be right back. Our TMZ DC crew is on a road trip because with two weeks to go before election day, they are out meeting the candidates where they are. They're not in DC right now. They are all out on the campaign trail. So we have been in Ohio and Michigan. Now they're in Texas. Yeah. And in Texas, there's governor's race. Indeed. And our Jacob Wasserman got himself a little interview with the governor, Governor Greg Abbott. At the governor's mansion in Austin. Indeed. There was a big reception going on, campaign event. And Jacob spoke to the governor. Let me just explain Gen Z stomach issues. What you are about to see is just, I find, somewhat humiliating for us. And this has been the case at every stop with Jacob. Oh my gosh, what's, oh, whoa. Pick it up, that's for you. This is for me? This is for you. Toss it back. I got something really embarrassing to say. I'm gluten free. I can't drink beer. I know it's kind of a wussy thing to say. Hey, no, no, no. You're dismissed from Texas. Honestly, it's fair to say. I'm sure you saw Katie Zakaria. She's the White House press secretary. She got fired. She did almost half a Scaramucci, actually, five days. Anyone that comes to mind that you would like to see? I have no idea. You know what I think is pretty good? Yeah. You ought to consider it. He may have a problem with your lack of gluten, but something you may consider is just going to the White House. You should go interview for the job. Me? Yeah, you. You think I'd be a good White House press secretary? What makes you say that? Just because I'm like a super nice guy or what? No, because you're sharp, you're articulate. You can know how to punch and punch back as it concerns the media. Okay, this is a good chance to tell President Trump that maybe I should step up to the plate. As he's looking for the right guy, the right guy may be right in front of him. Wow, what a night for me. Only way to celebrate it is with a beer. I might have to break the whole gluten-free thing right now, man. Someone beer me. Here, can you film me? Yeah, here we go. You know, if I get, like, a stomach issue... We got you covered. Hey, wait for... That's beautiful. That's beautiful. This is the real deal right here. Look at that. Right here at the Texas governor's mansion. History was made. That's not bad. There you go. All right, hey, if anything happens to my stomach, it's on you, governor, all right? That's all right. We'll take responsibility. Even the guy behind Jacob knows that that was complete BS. That was the most embarrassing chug I've ever seen in my entire life. There is a PS to this story. Two hours after this, he called me. Jacob calls me. From a bathroom? And has, he's, my stomach is going crazy right now. He is just like the Gen Z-ness of him all. But it's like, if the governor of Texas offers you a beer, like, you don't have to drink it, but at least just accept it. Just drink it, take a sip. You cannot, you've got to read the room, you can't say you're gluten-free. When he had the popcorn, the red-hot popcorn. The red-hot popcorn, red-hot cheese popcorn. And he's telling El-Sayed, I'm gluten-free, and he makes him eat it, and Jacob starts coughing. And it's just, you know, I just, I mean, by the way, there's a much easier route. He could have just said, thank you, Governor, I can't drink on the job. So, by the way, we're sending them on a budget, and it's a tight budget. So, I guess they had some silent complaints because they didn't say this to you. They did not send it to me. No, but they sent it around to some other people. They sent this picture to certain members of the staff of the swimming pool. Devin, what did they say to you? So, they sent me this photo, or Jacob sent it to me and Charlie and said, Charlie, are you ready to take a dip in the pool? Because Charlie hadn't gotten there yet. So, this is their beautiful stay in Austin. And then also, I forgot to even bring this up. But Jacob sent me a video of the faucet in the bathroom, and it had broken off when he turned it on, so there's a jet of water. Okay, so this is good. We are actually—we meant to do this on a budget, and very clearly we are doing it on a budget. So hold on. Let's call Charlie. Oh, you want to put him on the spot? Yeah, I want to find out why he's talking crap to members of the staff sending pictures. Exactly. If you've got a complaint, talk to the boss. Hey, you're on TMZ Live right now. Why are you sending pictures of that swimming pool like you're in some kind of a war zone to members of the staff but not me? That's not the only photos I send you. Oh, yeah. There's more. There's way more. There's way more, brother. Try not to complain. Well, if you have a complaint. What do you mean? What, you're not tough enough to go on the road? I mean, I guess we are. Like, here we are. We didn't complain to you, did we? We just bitched about it. Yeah, you bitch about it to everybody else on the staff, and I walk in on Monday, and I'm looking at pictures of a green swimming pool. Right. Well, I'm sorry that I raised it. I was trying not to put you through it. Yeah, but, Charlie, we didn't send you on the road to go swimming anyway. Right. What the hell? Let's say the pool was pristine. So what? That's not why you're there. Yeah. You want to see the hair all over my shower? That's not why. Was that before or after you got in it? Yeah, really. Really, you're one to talk. We're just happy he actually looked at the shower. I mean, we don't know that he used it. Okay. We got to go. Goodbye. Hey, Dane Drebin from Gig Harbor, Washington. I just wanted to say it may be embarrassing that he wasn't able to finish a beer, but it's also a little bit more embarrassing for Republicans that they are throwing parties just days away from this huge election, in my opinion. It's not a great look, in my opinion, if you're trying to win over people that are struggling with real problems at this point in time. Yeah, the election is going to be interesting. I'm going to say something, you know, screw it. I hate these moments. I voted this weekend. Oh, you did? I did. I'm studying my ballot. Can I be honest with you about something that I did? On these propositions that cost money? Oh, Harvey, don't talk about this. No, can I just say? I know, you already told me this, that you were voting no on every proposition. I did, because we paid 15% income tax in California. They should manage their money better, as opposed to just saying, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme, gimme. they've got so much money and they're not they don't spend wisely and i'm sorry but that's so that's what i did you're just a no on anything that costs no no and a lot of it all right donnie Wahlberg is beyond lucky to be alive those are his words after a near disaster on his private jet uh a private jet that did not make takeoff ended up skidding off the runway this is in vegas in vegas um and he talked about it shortly after he's still on the tarmac here uh talking about what happened on this flight we're all okay i'm okay we uh we were taken off and didn't get up in the air and uh ran out of runway and the runway is way over there i'm just going to tell you these pilots saved our lives and um god covered us because we were uh i'm not sure how many fences we avoided but um we didn't avoid the last one but uh we avoided those trucks and heavy equipment and uh the dumpsters behind that it's good wow that is wow could have been so much worse the first thing i thought about was the accident oh yeah travis barker and dj am oh you know the first thing i i that's the the thing i thought about was do you remember the plane this was nine months ago that was landing, and the brakes failed, and it ended up hitting the wall and exploding. Yes. Everybody died. Yeah. So that, when he talks about the tractor and all the other stuff there, oh, my God. I mean, they are so lucky. I mean, I'm amazed he can do that right now. I mean, he's right. Those pilots, whatever they did to avoid all of that. We don't know what happened to the plane. We don't know why it couldn't take off. But man, that is close. Coming up! I wrote a poem in class, in first grade. Out of the night, when the moon is bright, on a flying machine comes a witch that's never seen except on Halloween. Be right back. No better time of year to be on the TMZ After Dark Tour. Because spooky season, as they say. And this week, forget about the Green Goblin. And I know he got a lot of pub with Spider-Man and all that. There's a real goblin. And he was hosting on the TMZ After Dark Tour. I know I said he's a real goblin. I'm not sure what, how do you get certified? He's not only a real goblin, but he's the world's most famous goblin. Well, how do you get certified as a real goblin? I mean, he's obviously not a real goblin. When you see him in real life, I was terrified. I was like, oh, my goodness. Holy crap. Can I tell you something? What? Who is this guy? So this is John Gobblecon. He's in a heavy metal band. He has a podcast. John Gobblecon? John Gobblecon. He has a famous podcast where he has celebrities on. He's also in a goblin metal band. Their songs have millions of views. I don't like the way you're smiling, Harvey. Well, no, there's a reason I'm smiling. Why? No, it's not that. I just literally was watching, I'm watching this video, and I thought of something I did when I was six years old. What the? Okay. I wrote a poem in class, in first grade, and I actually, I was just thinking as you were talking, I think I remember it. It's the first thing I ever wrote. Do you really want to hijack this segment right now? Yeah. Okay. Out of the night, when the moon is bright, on a flying machine comes a witch that's never seen except on Halloween. There are ghosts and goblins and dragons too, which I guarantee will frighten you. I will end this poem because I have to say, be careful on this special day. wait guys what are you cheering for what are you cheering for the fact that he remembers it is crazy John Gobblecon I remember, I remember, yeah on the TMZ tour here's my question do goblins drink as many shots as regular folk oh yeah more more in fact more he was such a good host so funny we had an amazing DJ shout out to DJ Blue TMZ tours is taking Halloween by storm by the way and tours has never been bigger we have people like emailing us they go on our contact us and they're like can you guys please add more tickets to this tour this we have fan experiences now no i'm telling you we are blowing up okay you're speaking my language so so just a public public service announcement but also a warning be looking at our tour page constantly because people are starting to complain this is time of year you got a book early yeah okay every weekend we put polls up on the website to find out how you feel about things we posted last week we did it this weekend and here are the results gosh i'm still reeling from that story not bad bigger embarrassment for Trump, Kimberly Guilfoyle or Katie Zachariah What a good question. I think they're going to say Katie. Yeah, she's fresher. I think so. Oh! Oh! Interesting. Okay. Diddy's prison transfer, discipline for bad behavior, or protecting him from beatdowns? I think it's protecting him from beatdowns. They're protecting him from beatdowns. I think that's what it is. Yep. Indeed. There you go. They get it. They know what's going on. Abdul El-Sayed's religion makes him more progressive or less progressive. This is what an actual voter was asking when we were in Michigan. And we asked him, too. Yeah. Wow. That is very interesting. I'm interested in that. How? That is really interesting. Okay, next. Elon's flying Tesla Roadster. Genius game changer or recipe for disaster? They're going to say that, but it's a game changer. It could be both. That's just hating on Elon. No, that's hating on, I think, human beings. I definitely don't want you in one of those cars. The Jetsons was what everybody was craving. It's fine. Give me George Jetson as my co-host then, but you can't do it. Baby steps. Coming up. Kylie Jenner was the belle of the ball. The ball being the Victoria's Secret fashion show, and she got the honor of wearing the $50 million bra. Be right back. Kylie Jenner was the belle of the ball. The ball being the Victoria's Secret fashion show, and she was chosen over all of the actual Victoria's Secret angels. actual angels she got the honor of wearing the 50 million dollar bra ridiculous ridiculous this is a little controversial look it looks beautiful and all that but one why are they spending 50 million dollars to make a bra I still don't believe that is not actually sold it doesn't go anywhere I don't believe that the number doesn't make sense right 50 million dollars to blow that way. And then, how about all the actual models who are like, why are you going with... Yes, Kylie Jenner, obviously, we know what the appeal is, but she's not... She's not one of us. Do you have an answer to that? Headlines. This is exactly why they picked her. And, you know, the people that have worn the fantasy bra in the past have been Heidi Klum, Miranda Kerr, Gisele, like the main top of the top angel. So, yes, you're right. This was very controversial. But Chris was there. Timothee Chalamet was there. Front row cheering her on. So Timothee Chalamet is there. And people are wondering why Kylie Jenner. I mean, come on. Models, you know, Ace Hardware is hiring. I'm just saying, I happen to see Megan Thee Stallion also walking. Yes, performed. She might have been a good choice for it also. Wow. Because. You don't have to. You don't have to. You get it. What else do you guys want to talk about? I'm Elsie from D.C. I am commenting on the O.J. Simpson accomplice story. Yeah. So it's important to note that O.J. Simpson was not found innocent. He was found not guilty, meaning that if he were to be no, meaning that there was not enough reasonable doubt to convict him. There was enough reasonable doubt rather to convict him of these charges. No, there wasn't. I was there. There was no reasonable doubt. I mean, yes, but he was. You are correct. Technically, yes, that is what happened. But he was found liable. He was found liable in a civil case. I'm so sorry, this is my first time on, but there was no reasonable doubt to find him innocent. I know, let's just summarize it. He's guilty. One more. Hey there, this is the Sci in Scottsdale, Arizona, and I wanted to talk about the Greg Abbott incident with the TMZ reporter. Yes, it was an incident. I think it's mostly, it's less about the beer aspect and more about how the governor is able to communicate to the audience, given that he's facing a tough reelection battle against Gina Hinojosa. So at the end of it, I think that it's less beer and more really about engaging with the public. Yeah, I mean, that's what he was trying to do. And by the way, we got Gina as well over the weekend, and you can check that out on our website. We got her in front of a fast food joint, too. She did not offer a beer, though. Jacob is doing everything that's food-related now. He did the same thing with AOC. Which is risky with him. I know. Coming up. John Legend and Chrissy Teigen were at a Halloween celebration over the weekend. This is going to be a costume you see a lot. John is Deion Sanders, the famous or infamously not 49er. Be right back. So John Legend and Chrissy Teigen were at a Halloween celebration over the weekend. It's a New York dog parade. But everyone came in costume, and John Legend, I got to say, and I guess Chrissy's part of it also, this is going to be a costume you see a lot. John is Deion Sanders, the famous, or infamously not 49er, the guy who was... I don't get the dog part. Well, it's just for a dog parade. The dog's not actually part of their costume. Oh, I get it. Right, unless you could have the dog wear a football costume. John's good there. But, yes, John's doing some drills about as well as Deion Sanders did them, to be honest. So it works. And I guess Chrissy is maybe his accomplice or alleged accomplice. That's actually Deion. That's actually the real fake. The real fake, not just legend. Okay, we'll see you tomorrow.