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A man named Andrew seeks advice on how to plan a future with his partner of 10 years. The primary obstacle is her reluctance to marry until age 60 to protect survivor's benefits from a previous marriage. The discussion explores how this financial decision is likely rooted in past trauma and emotional insecurity rather than logical financial planning.
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I'm not exactly sure how to build a life with my woman,
my girlfriend, I guess.
We have an eight-year-old.
Oh, okay.
We've been together for over 10 years.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, and so the hurdle that keeps coming up
is that she was a widow in her 20s,
um and her son um she had a son and he's 21 now
um but she had survivor's benefits when he was a
teenager or growing up as he was a kid
and through his teenage years and then um now she doesn't so
she would receive her um her um deceased husband's
um social security right and she becomes of age
and i guess that's a pretty large number
because he made you know a sizable like a lot of money
every year um so so not so i don't understand how
to plan all of this if like she doesn't want to
get married until she's 60 years old
because she doesn't want to risk that benefit going away
what it's basically how it is she's choosing some social security over
i mean how much could it possibly be has she told you the amount
$3,600 to $4,000 a month.
Stop it.
Yeah, I mean...
Listen, if she said $400,000 a month,
I'd be like,
Andrew, you may not be worth that.
I don't know.
But $4,000?
Does she work?
I get it.
Does she work?
She does work now.
Yeah, she works.
And what does she earn?
She earns like $43,000 a year
after taxes.
What do you earn?
I earn $150,000 after taxes.
So wait a second.
we can go and Andrew can put a ring on it
and she can you guys combined can be making 193,000
a year and she's foregoing that life
for survivors benefits that we don't really know but maybe
they're around 35 to 4,000 bucks or y'all combine finances
and she's getting both and she's like i
just don't want to get married
because i get to live off this 150 now so what's the point i don't
know if it's some kind of trauma from when she was a single widow mom
and she got the she didn't
know about survivor's benefits until her um a relative
who was a police officer mentioned hey
you can receive survivor's benefits i mean 28 years old you got a baby
so she looked into it
and she got a check every single month up until he
was 16 years old i think you're right in that
time yeah uh she you know she got it
in her in her mind that i'm not going to do this until
i'm this age and then we got together i mean we're
but i'm having a really hard time planning
no you can't plan that she has some debt i want we want
to buy property um but how am i gonna
i don't think you can Andrew
this is a i think you're exactly right i think this is tied to
something traumatic i mean obviously she was widowed
so young and then she was left in a
really tough situation with this child
and who knows there might even be something that goes
further back i don't know how she grew up how money
was but there's clearly because this doesn't
makes sense it's safety for her yeah
and it feels like i'm gonna be okay regardless of what happens
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also feel like there's um you know this sense of
impermanence you know that that happened
and now the like planning future things like she gets
hesitant about planning saving you know she it's just it's
so uh impermanent i guess she probably
And you've been like this for five years, right?
We've been together 10 years.
10 years, okay.
So why now?
I'm just curious what now is happening inside of you that's like,
golly, this is getting hard.
Is it because you're getting your finances in order
and you're realizing, gosh, I have a life with this woman,
but it's so hard to do anything.
I have a hard time communicating with her now
because of just how it is.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And you've been in a cycle and in a pattern for 10 years.
so breaking that marriage or not in a relationship
is tough um so i mean i really i would see if she'd
be open to sitting down with someone
and you both talk through this because if you're not a great
communicator in the sense of like you you're not able
to find the words that you're wanting to say
and say you know to have a third party kind
of walk through some of this and and honestly a
professional probably be able to pinpoint a couple of things
because my goal would be for her to heal
right on an emotional standpoint
so that something like this um isn't seen as a barrier
yeah but you're able to move forward
with your life i want that for her it's almost like she's
still holding on to this part um and yeah i would she would
if you suggested that if you said you
want to know I I just think that there's some healing still
to be done and I love you and I
want this for you and I feel like it's starting
to hold us back a little bit how would she react
to that? Oh, I think that she'd be open to it.
I mean, she's been doing therapy. Uh, she's done
EMDR. We're actually in a couple's,
we're in a couple's therapy right now. Very good. You know,
just to strengthen our relationship,
but it's hard to bring it up. Uh, and you know, I'm the
numbers guy. She's a little more free spirited.
So when I start coming at her with, you know,
like I don't even see her bank account.
I don't even see her statements. I don't ask. Um, I don't
know exactly where money goes, but, um, you know,
it seems to not last very long, but I don't,
I don't know exactly where it goes.
So I can't say on her end, but, um, it's hard to talk about,
you know, when it comes and then I'm walking around,
you know, we're posing as a married
couple, you know, I call her my wife,
but technically, you know, like as far as, you
know, under God we're together.
Um, but I feel like I'm not walking under his umbrella because
we're not married, you know, like we're,
you know, and then we're not going to get married
for another like 15 years on my end, you know, she's 48.
So I guess it'd be 12 years, but
that's a lot of time to not plan together.
Andrew, have you guys brought up money,
the subject of money with your therapist?
No, I have not. The last conversation about money was
with, um, there was like financial people with her school system.
So she invited me into that
conversation for us to like plan together.
And I just got real Ramsey on them and they didn't like
it. Okay. So she's probably like, Andrew,
it's all in this crazy, this crazy program. No, well,
well, here's the thing, Andrew, and I know you know this,
but just to reiterate that money
represents more in all of this than just the money, right?
So when we talk about people combining
finances, yes. Is there a tactical,
when you're married, is there a tactical benefit to it?
Absolutely. You're functioning out of one account.
But it's all about what money represents.
And there's a level of unity there that is not there
because she's holding out for this thing
over here that's money related.
And over here, she's not letting you in. You don't know how to
communicate well with it. And so there's almost
this value system that's been broken down in
your relationship and my prayer would
be that you guys you know once maybe she she sees it and
she's like oh my gosh i i want all of me with this guy
because we have a kid together right at this
point and we want to start building this life it's
not the fact that like oh gosh you can't
combine money and you can't buy property together like all
that is very true but it's it's underneath
what it's representing she's holding a part of her away from you
so it's almost like you fully
don't get all of her and so that's what i would work
for we work with the therapist with um because
it's a this is a tough subject for people
and so if you have that third party in the room i would
use that to my benefit for sure
because you guys have created a life together so she's almost living
in this illusion too i mean it's happening yeah it's happening
their whole life is having to
generate around her pain
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