Classic literature has long been a source of inspiration for filmmakers, but movie adaptations are notoriously disappointing to book lovers. Occasionally, you’ll find a literary drama so epic and fabulous that it matches the novel’s brilliance, even if some of the plot points are changed. One such film is the 1943 adaptation of “Jane Eyre.” Starring Oscar-winner Joan Fontaine as the title character, the highly aesthetic film features the incomparable Orson Welles of “Citizen Kane” fame as Edward Rochester. With mysterious black-and-white cinematography, a captivating score, and immersive historical accuracy, “Jane Eyre” is the perfect place for any booklover to begin exploring classic cinema. “Reel Thoughts with Tiffany and Rebekah” is a weekly film review show hosted by Tiffany and Rebekah. They dive into traditional and classic films, covering everything from mainstream blockbusters to indie gems. Each episode offers thoughtful analysis, diverse perspectives, and an engaging experience designed to connect with and entertain viewers. #movies#talk shows #classic films #American traditions #Hollywood#showbiz#theater#cinema#entertainment#celebrity#famous#actors#drama#motion picture
I dreamed I heard your voice in the night,
Deep and tender,
Deep and tender with loving words.
I dreamed I saw your wondrous eyes,
All glow with love and light divine.
Come back, come back, my love, you cry.
Come back.
Do you think because I am poor, obscure, plain, and little,
I am soulless and heartless?
You think wrong.
I have as much soul as you and full as much heart.
What are you doing, Tiff?
I started reading this book and I just can't put it down.
This girl, I can never get her to concentrate.
Always has her nose in a book.
Wait, wait a minute.
I'm almost to chapter three.
Chapter three?
Hold on.
I know what you're doing.
We're going to talk about Beauty and the Beast, aren't we?
Look, that's not a classic film.
You know that.
Well, what then?
It's another story about an innocent young girl
and a mysterious man in a spooky castle.
Another one?
I know.
The Secret Garden from 1949.
Well, that does fit the description, but no, it's not that.
Hmm.
I'm sure there are hundreds of stories that fit that description,
but I can't think of another one that was made into a classic film.
One of the things that I've loved
while discovering more about the golden era of Hollywood
is realizing just how many adaptations of classic books
were made during that time period.
That's true, but wait a minute.
An innocent young girl,
a mysterious man with a dark secret,
a spooky castle.
It's Jane Eyre.
I'm Tiffany Brannan.
I'm Rebecca Brannan.
Welcome to Real Thoughts on Cinema.
It's a truth universally acknowledged
that avid book fans tend to dislike movies,
especially adaptations of their favorite classic books.
That's true, but in some cases,
such as the widely acclaimed Lord of the Rings trilogy,
book fans can really love a movie adaptation
of their favorite classic,
even if it isn't that accurate
because they kept enough of the spirit of the literature.
That's a good point.
I know these days, historical fictions are really popular.
Yeah.
Many people just love them.
Even recent shows like Bridgerton,
and before that, Downton Abbey.
People love being transported to another time.
But whether it's a hallmark movie,
a big blockbuster,
or some British film or series,
these historical fictions in the last few decades
just don't do anything for me.
What is it about them particularly that you don't like?
They seem very inauthentic and decidedly modern.
They just don't seem to get into that classic feel.
And of course, the difficulty is
we imagine things in our mind
and they're so beautiful and...
...pensible.
And we're always disappointed to see it on the screen
when it doesn't look like we thought it would.
Well, I don't think any movie or TV show
can really live up to what we picture in our minds
when we read a book
because everybody pictures something different, for one thing.
That's the great challenge of adapting great literature.
And there always are going to be people who say,
oh, you missed that detail.
Because besides being very long,
most books are way too long to be on a film.
But I do think that they don't have to be so decidedly modern.
They don't have to be so stuck in the here and now.
Because one of the things we love about these old books
is that they're timeless.
It's something that we can appreciate now
that even at the time didn't have that quality.
Yes.
And that's why I think that people who are old book fans
could really enjoy watching classic film adaptations
of their favorite books
because they have that timeless quality.
Absolutely.
An excellent example is Jane Eyre from 1943.
While they did change quite a few of the plot elements
and reordered some of them,
it has a timeless quality
and it really captured the dramatic spirit of the work.
It truly did.
But before we get too deep into talking about that,
let's discuss some of the production details behind that film.
It was made by 20th Century Fox,
directed by Robert Stevenson,
and it was uncredited but co-produced by Orson Welles,
who also starred in it as the leading man, Edward Rochester.
And he was a famous radio personality.
Indeed he was.
He's best remembered, of course, for Citizen Kane.
That was his greatest work
and also his film debut.
That's right.
He wrote it, directed it, produced it, starred in it.
He did everything.
It is still at the top of the American Film Institute
or AFI's 100 years, 100 movies list.
Yes, still widely considered one of the best films.
But a lot of people
don't know about anything he did
besides Citizen Kane
or maybe War of the Worlds
when he did that radio stunt a few years earlier
scaring everybody by convincing people
that aliens were invading.
Just further proof that people will believe anything.
Yes.
But Citizen Kane started a successful run of films for him
including the rather obscure Jane Eyre.
Joan Fontaine plays the title character.
Wonderful actress.
And they're really the two most notable performers.
Definitely.
Agnes Moorhead plays her aunt.
And interestingly, Agnes Moorhead,
I'm trying to think, how would people know her?
Well, if you're familiar with Citizen Kane,
she's in that, she plays his mother.
Later films like Pollyanna,
the Disney classic from 1960,
she plays old Mrs. Snow.
But she actually got her start
in Citizen Kane, that was her film debut
because she was part of Orson Welles'
radio troupe and he brought many of his
favourite performers to the screen.
She has a very small part in Jane Eyre, honestly.
She's only in two scenes, right?
She wasn't that big of an actress yet.
She was just getting started.
She makes her mark, though.
She does an excellent job.
And Henry Daniel plays the cruel Mr. Brocklehurst
at the Institute.
But interestingly, the first portion
of the film is very different from the later part
because they, you would think
it could be classic Hollywood style to start
just with the romance,
but they started when she was young.
Yes. The plot follows
Jane Eyre, an impoverished orphan
who after living the first few years
of her life with her cruel aunt
is taken away by an equally cruel
schoolmaster to Lowood
Institution, which is really a glorified
orphanage for girls.
There she meets a really sweet girl named Helen Burns
played by Elizabeth Taylor.
A very young, very famous actress.
One of her earliest parts.
Uncredited, but if you know her
you're going to go, oh my goodness, that's Elizabeth Taylor.
And young Peggy Ann Moran
plays young Jane.
She was a talented child actress, best known for
A Tree Grows in Brooklyn.
That's right. I remember seeing her in that.
But Helen Burns, Elizabeth Taylor's character,
sadly dies due to the
horrible conditions.
And Jane is encouraged by a kindly doctor
to carry on without her friend.
Ten years later, as a grown woman,
she makes the decision to leave Lowood,
although she's been offered a teaching position there,
in favor of accepting
a job as a governess.
She advertised, and it was accepted by
Mrs. Fairfax, who is housekeeper
for Edward Rochester.
Very mysterious man, with a beautiful
estate, sort of on the moors
in England. Rather remote.
Yes, and there she is, governess
to his ward, little French girl Adele,
who is played by another famous
child actress, Margaret O'Brien.
Best known for Meet Me in St. Louis.
She's still alive today.
She's quite old now, but this is
a great example of her early
acting as a young child star.
And doing an impressive French accent.
She also gets to show off her dancing talent.
And she loved dancing. In an
interview that I did with her,
I saw her in Hollywood a few years ago, she said how
she loved ballet so much, and she
had a teacher who wanted her to actually
go to Russia and become a
professional ballerina as a young child. But her mother
said, no, no, I don't want you to go to Russia.
You have to stay here with me.
Stay here and be an actress.
But when Jane meets Mr. Rochester,
there's an immediate connection
between them. They sort of see
through each other's
outward defenses, if you will, because they're both
somewhat guarded people.
And even though she thinks she's
so plain and little that he would never show
an interest in her, he eventually starts
to feel very close to her as well.
And eventually confesses
his love for her. But
there's a mysterious secret
up in the topmost tower
which may keep them from ever being together.
So I remember I started
reading Jane Eyre years ago. It was actually
right before my
ninth birthday.
I remember reading an excerpt from School
and I liked it. I remember that.
It was the part about Helen Burns, actually.
And so I got the book and I was so excited to start
reading it. And I even wanted to
have a Jane Eyre-themed birthday party. But I was
very distressed when I
read ahead a bit and saw that Helen Burns died.
And that sort of stopped me from
reading it. So when I watched
the movie a couple of years ago, I was very
surprised to see that the part about the
really disturbing orphanage
is a very small portion of
the overall story. I know. I was
so shocked. There's this whole love story. It seems like
two different stories, frankly.
And I'm so impressed that they
chose to include all of it, as much as they
could, in the movie. Now there definitely were
some later situations
that happened. There is a man
who wants her to marry him and he's going
to become a missionary after things don't work out so
well with Mr. Rochester. Some of those events
are a little different. But
they kept what was
so important. Setting up her background
in this cruel environment, but
that it doesn't harden her. And as we
see in the book, Helen Burns is a
devout Christian and that really inspires
her to see the loving aspect
of that and not just the cruelty.
Right. And interestingly,
you were telling me something about
the opening narration. Is it
actually from the book, right? Yes. They use
the book a lot in the movie. It starts with
seeing the cover of Jane Eyre and then the credits
are actually in the book. And then
Joan Fontaine, at intervals, reads
narrates a section of the book
while I show it to you. But the opening paragraph
where she introduces herself is not from the book.
They just made that up. But it's very convincing.
And it really sets the story well. She tells
you who she is, the year she was
born, and speaks about religion
at that time more a mask of cruelty
and bigotry far too often. So it's
really doing a good job of showing
religion itself isn't bad,
it's these people misusing
that as a way to abuse authority.
Because people who want to abuse authority
will use any excuse to do that.
It's just amazing how
complex it is, though.
Especially if, like us, you were just familiar with the
very first part of the book. It sort of starts
out like a female version of Oliver Twist
and then goes into being kind of like Beauty
and the Beast. It's a completely different
story, but they're connected.
It's all about, it's really telling
about a person's life.
We all know our lives don't always
go on a straight path. Sometimes different
portions of our lives seem like they're happening to a completely
different person. When I think about
what I was doing five years ago,
I feel like that was
almost a different girl.
Now this is a
historical fiction, of course.
The book was written in 1847
by Charlotte Bronte, one of the
famous Bronte sisters.
She's born in 1820, so the first
portion happens around
1830, and the later
part is around
1838 or so. So it's the very
beginning of the Victorian era, because Queen Victoria
took the throne in the late
1830s.
All too often, it was the case
during the Golden Era of Hollywood,
and to be fair, they do that now too,
to use any
old costumes they have to
go with a historic look, but not
an accurate historic look.
The 1830s had a very distinct look.
It was a very harsh
hair over the ears,
full skirt, very heavy
blouse and top,
although sometimes they would be off the shoulders for formal
wear, and they really
did that in the film.
They kept that accuracy, and
Joan Fontaine really looks like you'd imagine
Jane Eyre looking, so I
appreciate that dedication to it.
To replicate that,
it's never as easy with these
period pieces as with the more modern pieces,
but I'm wearing a
fancy gown to represent another one of
the characters, Blanche Ingram,
played by Hilary Brock.
She is Jane Eyre's rival for the heart
of Edward Rochester, a wealthy young
lady who is very sophisticated
and is setting her cap on the
wealthy Mr. Rochester because her family,
although very noble,
is somewhat impoverished. She always
wears lavish jewelry, including
cameos in one scene, and
large headpieces. In one
scene, while she's playing the piano,
a gentleman notes, marvelous
shoulders, eh? So I'm wearing an off-the-shoulders
style. My style
was inspired by the title character of
Jane Eyre. She wears
one dress for the majority of the
film, and while I didn't have a dress exactly
in that style, the shirt, waist, and
long skirt that I'm wearing, very
conservative early 1800s style,
is very evocative of
her fashion, and I've
done my best to replicate her hairstyle as well.
A notable plot point is this
brooch that she's given by
Bessie, a kindly maid who lives at her
aunt's house at the beginning of the movie, and
she wears it for the rest of the films,
which I have replicated here.
I think one of my favorite things about this movie
is the score. It's by
Bernard Herrmann, who is
perhaps best known for writing some
Alfred Hitchcock thrillers. He did
Psycho, North by Northwest,
Vertigo. Some of the later
ones, actually. Yes, his later ones.
But he got his start working with
Orson Welles, Citizen Kane.
Really? I didn't know that. Yes, that was
when he really became famous, and he was a
great classical composer. That's right,
his music is so gorgeous. He wrote
an opera of another
Bronte novel by the other, Emily Bronte,
Wuthering Heights. Yes, he did. Is that right? That was
his only opera. Really? And I
understand he used some of the
themes from this movie in that,
as well as the love theme from another of his
movies, The Ghost and Mrs. Muir from 1947,
which has a really gorgeous
score. If you know that
Herrmann style, you can recognize it.
It's so dramatic, and it just,
oh, it really sells the film.
But not in what we
consider film score music now, it's much
more classical than that.
More symphonic. It's more appropriate for
the time period. If you had a John Williams
score to this movie, it wouldn't work.
It's really beautiful, and it
creates that mood. I think
it's interesting to see
a reflection of the time in which it's
set, 1840s,
and the time in which it was made,
1940s. Yes. Almost
exactly 100 years later.
Because we see
certain film styles
that were popular at the time,
like the dramatic black and white,
the shadows.
But I understand some, in certain
scenes, this is what I read,
the cinematography is kind of unusual,
and it's believed that was due to the influence of Orson Welles.
You can tell. He had very unique
cinematography styles,
and particularly, I want to say, in the
shooting of his own character. Right.
He's often in profile,
there's a lot of shading,
and I think they must have used catchlights, especially
for her. Her eyes are always shining,
particularly when she's looking at him.
And the angle, he's very tall, and she was kind of
a small lady, and so the
visuals of them
and their interactions are always
impacting. When he comes, he's stomping around wearing
huge boots, a cape,
he actually looks like the Beast.
I got a Beast feel from him several times.
It's so much like
Beauty and the Beast. I think the makers of that movie
must have seen this. Yeah.
He's charming, but he's rough
at first, and he learns to be
kinder toward her, just like the Beast
is eating out of his bowl like an
animal, and then he learns to be a gentleman, which
is kind of funny, because he is actually a
prince. He's not really an animal. And the thing
that's done the most brilliantly
in this film, if we're speaking about in contrast
to, say, Beauty and the Beast, is
due to that's being made in the 1990s,
that was beginning of,
you know, not the beginning of, but
fairly trying to make female characters
stronger, particularly Disney princesses.
They were making them more independent.
So their way of her kind of standing
up to him was them shouting at each other.
But that doesn't
happen in Jane Eyre, but it's the same dynamic,
but it's done with subtlety.
There's such an open
frankness about her, and that's what really
attracts him to her.
She really is a stronger character
than Belle, because
yelling and getting all upset, she's not really
in control of her emotions. Jane
is always very controlled and very
refined, and she changes him
by example.
He's greatly moved.
Interestingly, many people say that Jane Eyre
was the first feminist
novel. Really?
Now, I guess the fact that it was written by a woman, you could
say that. It's about a woman. And it's about a woman.
The title is a woman's name.
But I think it shows
a strong woman
who's not pushing an agenda.
She's not, as it
also pointed out, she's not aiming
for equality on any level, but she
just is trying to survive
in her own difficult world. The definition
of a strong woman
I think has become somewhat warped.
What we call
a strong woman now, and what I think is actually
a strong woman, are very different.
In contrast, Jane is...
Her strength is shown in her
ability to live her own life
follow the path
that she has chosen for herself while still
being feminine and refined
and modest and not
trying to throw herself out there
trying to be like a man. She's never trying
to be like a man. And in contrast, we have
Blanche, who is very vain
and very selfish,
preoccupied with
how she looks, and she's using
her beauty
and her wiles,
being less modest with what she wears
and being very flirtatious to try to
trap a man with little
care for him as a person.
She reveals that in one scene.
It's a running theme that
Edward Rochester is ugly.
Orson Welles actually is looking pretty good in this movie
because he was still very young. He was in his
mid-twenties. He was only
three years older than
John Fontaine. He's supposed to be quite a bit older than he is.
She's supposed to be a bit younger. He's wearing
a prosthetic on his nose
and it's not noticeable.
It's not cartoonish or caricature-like,
but if you know what Orson Welles looked like, he had
quite a small, turned-up nose.
Why does he look different here?
And if you really study and realize,
but he loved transforming himself.
He did that in Citizen Kane, too.
He said he wore more makeup
as the young, beautiful Kane
than as the aged Kane.
So he liked to
transform himself with
makeup and use cinematography
and effects.
Speaking about Orson Welles, because we've got to talk about
him, because he is something else.
He's one of those very
unique actors
who can get away with
just playing himself, basically,
every time. You just see him there and you're like,
that is what he was actually like in real life.
And it's great
to watch. It's a lot of fun.
He's really
over the top, but he can pull
it off. You've got to be Orson Welles to pull that off.
Because you just know that's what he was like in real life.
He was definitely actually
like a running up on that horse in the fog.
And he had such an amazing
low, resonant voice because
of being a radio performer.
I love the scene where he's
walking through the snow and his cape is blowing
and the dog is falling.
It's just a great moment.
But this character is fascinating
and I haven't read the entire book either,
but I did read, I think, a bit
more of it. Just after we watched this movie,
I was inclined to read more of it and I got further
so I got to reading the character of Edward Rochester.
I'm not sure how much of the dialogue
is taken from the book, but
I do know the dialogue is so beautifully
written in this movie. I'm sure some of it was.
Yes. I know for a fact.
That quote that I was reading
at the opening is very close to a line she
says. And I love that scene.
Later on in that quote, a bit more of the line
where she says, if I were beautiful
and wealthy, obviously she's saying like
Blanche, I would make it as hard
for you to leave me as it is now for me to
leave you. There's a lot of strength in that
even though it's also very vulnerable.
That's definitely her most vulnerable
moment as she reveals how she cares for him.
One of their first interactions together
he just calls her and wants to talk to her
and she's always just kind of studying him.
And you can tell it unnerves him because he's
someone who really is put up a front.
He's trying to hide who he is and he knows she can
see through that. She can see the sensitive spirit.
And he's like, why do you stare at me?
Do you find me handsome? No, sir.
Yes.
He loves the honesty. Yes.
Because he knows he's not handsome.
Whereas Blanche will often deny it.
He says, I'm ugly as sin. And she's like,
oh, no, you're not. She's like, oh, I said it.
Allow me, I repeat,
ugly as sin. But she does
let slip, oh, you're
revolting me, of course.
And he, of course, immediately latches
onto that. And starts referring
to himself as revolting. Yes.
Because he knows that's really what she thinks about him.
And he completely takes her down in that scene
and just tells her exactly what she's doing
which is she's just after his money.
And she's very offended and she's starved out.
Says, Mr. Rochester, you're a bore and a cur.
But that's the end
of their romance.
In the book, the reason that he's
seeming so interested
in Blanche, and there are
rumors of their engagement, is to
make Jane jealous. It's to
Really? Yes.
Maybe that's his
idea in the movie, but it seems more
like he's just enjoying a little flirtation with her
and he has for a while. Would you say it seems
like, from your knowledge of the book, you get to know
his character a bit more? I think
so. It's longer. Of course.
There's more depth. But I just think they very intentionally
kept his character mysterious. Yes.
As a plot point, sort of.
And, again, I don't know how much
cinematography Orson Welles
influenced, but you can tell he did
a lot because it is very unique
and it uses those angles, those perspectives.
The gimmick of not seeing a
character. Yes. Without
spoiling too much, his
wife is never
fully seen. Isn't this the
only movie version that they did that? Yes.
Usually you see her, but you
see her outline. Much as in
Citizen Kane, the central character,
that reporter, you never even see his face.
Really?
You don't see his face. You see him from the back.
You never actually see who it
is. That's so funny. I know
I've seen that movie. I completely forgot.
Yeah, that was sort of a gimmick. It doesn't matter
who he is. That just goes to prove
how well it was done that I didn't even remember that.
They made him such a gimmick.
I've never seen a film as much as
Jane Eyre that allows you
to feel the presence
of a character. Yes.
They do these scenes, between the two of them,
a close-up, like on his
eyes, then on her eyes, the
catchlights, you feel
like you know what it would be like
for Orson Welles to be looking at you.
And not only you, but
Jane. You know how Jane feels
with that look from him. And then you know how
he feels with the look from Jane.
She's so brilliant in this part.
She does this great job
of being, I don't want
to say expressionless. I don't want to imply that she's
expressionless, but her face is
always so composed.
And she does everything with her eyes.
And it's just
really amazing to watch.
It's sort of a master class in the subtlety
of acting. And it's
brilliant contrast. Because he is so
larger than life with his acting performance.
So she off-plays him perfectly.
Because if they were both doing that much,
it would be too much. Or if they were both underplaying that much,
it might be a little bit dull.
But they just counterbalance each other perfectly.
And I think that
theatrical drama is what's
missing from the historical fictions.
That's so true. They seem a bit pedantic.
They're a bit pedestrian
with the way they're walking along, talking.
It's hard to get past. You just can see
those people in a t-shirt and jeans.
They're not really in it.
But you just know that's what Orson Welles
was like. He was crazy like that.
And his first wife was Rita Hayworth,
the great actress.
She was married multiple times too, right?
They were married at the time this film was made.
And
she said that he was the true love of her
life, but he was
just too crazy. She just couldn't put up with him
after a few years.
Even though she really loved him, he was just
kind of nuts.
I can see that.
He reminds me of
somebody that I've known.
It's interesting to
see a character like this. Your first
thought seeing a character like this is
this is such a made-up character.
No one could be like that. Unless you know
someone like that, no one of us do.
Especially being in the performing arts.
That's the other thing. Orson Welles was a performer.
We know a lot of people like that.
And Edward Rochester is a performer.
His whole life is a performance.
He's putting on a facade.
Speaking of other novels,
it's a little bit like The Count of Monte Cristo.
Yes, and that brings me to something I wanted to
mention. The Byronic Hero.
When talking about this book, people often
refer to Edward Rochester as a Byronic
Hero. Now, what's Byronic? It's referring to
Lord Byron, who wrote
many great works. He wrote novels,
poems. He died very young.
I think he was 31 when he died.
He was good friends with Shelley and
Keats. The three of them were similar. They lived
rather depraved but artistic
lives.
He himself,
Byron, is considered the first Byronic
Hero. The precursor to the
anti-hero of modern literature,
this
dark and moody
but very attractive, troubled,
complex...
He's not entirely a good guy, but you can't
help liking him. As a matter of fact, he
often is privileged, wealthy,
but moody and sad.
Poor little rich boy. Yes, with
some dark secret, some mystery,
some inner thing that's torturing him.
And the character of Montecristo
is considered a type of Byronic Hero.
Edward Rochester is a Byronic Hero.
Even the Phantom, from the Phantom
of the Opera, is considered a Byronic Hero.
Because oftentimes, there is some physical
suffering that has marred him. There's another one I've
always thought... Oh, Arthur Dimmesdale
from The Scarlet Letter. Yeah, he has a...
I would say he's a Byronic Hero.
One of the other classic Byronic Heroes
is from a work by
the physician of Lord Byron, called Lord
Ruthven. It's about a vampire.
And they say that the physician
based this vampire on Byron himself.
And in The Count of
Montecristo, they referred to Lord Ruthven many
times. Because they say the Count is like...
Oh, he's so cold and pale. Oh, there's
Lord Ruthven. Be careful.
Before Dracula. Everyone talked about that.
Somebody should do an adaptation
of that, because Dracula is so overdone.
It's like, somebody wrote a ballet of Lord Ruthven.
Well, actually, there are several operas based on that
story. There are a couple of versions of
Def Ampere in German, in The Vampire, and it's about
him. And
Edward Rochester has that same moodiness
and Orson Welles was perfect because
he was a Byronic Hero. Yes, he was.
Citizen Kane is a Byronic Hero. I always
think that
it's just a crying shame he didn't make
an adaptation of The Great Gatsby. Because
he would be so good as that character.
The Great Gatsby is a Byronic Hero. Definitely.
Of the 20th century. I've always thought
he's like the Count of Monte Cristo of the 20th century.
Yes, he is. It's a very similar story
if you look at it structurally.
And when you see all these great stories, like we were
saying, Beauty and the Beast,
The Secret Garden, this story,
they're similar.
And they can be brought out and
brought beautifully onto the screen.
This movie is very unusual. I think
some people would say it has film noir
tendencies. As you know, I don't
like that category because it wasn't
used at the time. In America, they didn't
say, oh, let's make a film noir. They said, let's make
a detective film. Let's make a mystery.
Let's make a drama. And because
most movies were in black and white, still at this
point, they used shadows
and lights and wet pavement
to create dramatic effects.
And beyond that, I think more and more
is that term
has started, like most terms, has started to be
bandied about way too much. Pretty much any
movie that's in black and white, people will call it film noir.
That's not a film noir. It's in black and white
and it's dark.
It's a film noir.
If you're going to use that term,
it should refer to really
detective and crime films. Particularly for the
late 40s or early 50s. Out of the past, have and have not.
Like those ones. But they'll call Sunset Boulevard
a film noir. I'm sure people would call this.
And I would say that this definitely
should not be called a film noir, if anything
should, because it's a historic
piece. Yeah, absolutely. And it's
timeless. And film noirs were very
modern. How would you say
it differs from the book
the most? What is the
largest point or
detail? The largest point
is that after that opening, it
focuses on her relationship
with Edward Rochester. It doesn't bring
in these other people. She leaves
at a different time.
It's not
until the
truth comes out about
his wife that she leaves. But she leaves earlier
than that. Really? Yes.
And then she comes back. It's much
more complicated. But they made it
simpler. She's at an orphanage.
She comes to that estate.
She's there with him. They fall
in love. They're going to get married.
They don't get married.
She leaves. And then she comes back.
She seems to hear him calling. That's from the book.
And she comes back. And they all live happily ever after. Which
I honestly didn't think was going to happen. I couldn't
believe that. After Helen Burns and all the
other things that happened, I didn't think it was going to end as well as it did.
I thought when she
comes back... I don't want to spoil it too much.
But I thought, he's going to be
dead. Yes. And then
there is something bad
that's happened to him, but he actually gets
better. Yes, he does. It's like, wow.
That's a really happy ending. Considering
the scene when he asks her to marry him.
It's like, wind and the lightning strikes
this tree and it breaks. It's like,
man! It's the most dramatic
proposal scene in Hollywood
history, I think. And the way he says it, too.
He just says, say Edward, you'll marry
me. It's like,
we're foes, but it's very in keeping
with his character. And it shows that he's
not a free man. He feels
like he finally has a chance
for escape from his tortured past.
Right after she says yes,
he just kind of holds her against him and says,
God forgive me, or God pardon
me. Yes. And
lightning breaks the tree. I guess that means no.
Yes, that's the answer to his prayer.
God does not forgive him. Until
it ends up ending very well. One consideration
when making these classic novels
into films was the difference
in certain social
mores. Now, I think most people would say the
Victorian era must have been more prudish
than the 20th century.
But the Production Code Administration
was a very important part of the
Hollywood system, also known as the
PCA. It enforced the Motion Picture
Production Code, which was
commonly called the Hays Code.
Or the Censorship Code, but not
accurate. It's not just like film noirs
in a real genre. It isn't censorship.
But there were a lot of censor boards
all around the country and world at that time.
And they liked to censor movies.
They would cut things out, they would
make edits, and it ruined the films.
So they realized, we need to make movies
right in the first place. And that's where the
Production Code Administration came in.
It was first instated in 1930, the Production
Code. But then in
1934, the PCA was formed,
headed by Joseph Ibrine.
And from 1934 to 1954,
during his tenure, it was really enforced
properly, and that's what we consider the
Golden Era of Hollywood. So this is right in the middle
of that time period.
There aren't too many things that would
have been controversial. Of course,
it's disturbing at the opening, seeing
how dark it is. And
you could say it's critical of religion, which some people
would say the Code didn't allow. But there are
compensating moral values and contrasts.
That's what I love about films like
these. You can use this to
shut people up.
Everything had to be happy
and light and beautiful, because this is
dark, and it's kind of disturbing to
see. And there are others that are
even more so. Some of them, you might be
surprised how violent they are. But it's just done
in the right way.
And the element of
the whole situation with
Edward Rochester's wife, and the idea
of almost bigamy
and being in love with someone
when you're still married, the issue of divorce
and remarriage, as well as
a rather violent section with
some blood, but it's in black and white, so it's not too
gory. But one issue
that I would say they had to be careful
was Adele. She's
implied to be his illegitimate
daughter, but they kept the details quite
vague. Even in the book, it's a little
vague about... you realize
he was definitely having an affair with her mother.
But whether he's actually her father
is never 100% indicated.
It really doesn't matter. Obviously, we know
he was having an affair with her, but they make it subtle.
Yes. It's not...
And even after Jane realizes
he's still married, she's going to leave,
he's basically asking her to live
with him. But it's more pointed
in the book. In the book, he actually says
let's go to France, we will live together
as man and wife, and
no one has to know. But he just says
why could you not stay here with me?
Would it be so wrong? And it's almost like he's
just saying stay on as governess. It implies
that it would continue in
a more friendly
manner. More platonic.
She knows what he means, because
he says we wouldn't be hurting
anyone, and she says we'd be hurting ourselves.
So it's a strong moral message
in both the book and the film.
And we realize that he's
made a lot of mistakes in his life.
But we also
sympathize with him, and that's why he's the
Byronic hero. He's not completely
pure. He has some pretty bad sins
on his conscience. But
unlike many Byronic heroes,
this pure woman is able to
redeem him ultimately.
And you see her true strength of
character and morality,
which has been instilled in her in spite
of religion
being kind of harsh for her.
And that's when that scene
she decides to leave, and he's just calling
after her. He's like Jane, Jane, the way
he says it. She's like oh. But she
walks out. She's a
very resolved
young lady. I think that
even young people today
like our own age could
really enjoy this film, especially
if they're classic book fans.
Because it's timeless, because
it's dramatic, it's exciting.
It really gets you into
the story, and it's a great
example of the most beautiful black
and white cinematography and
great costumes. There aren't
the modern day references
to the 40s that could be confusing because it's
set in an earlier time. So I would
say it's... Beyond the costumes, it's not
that much about the culture of the time.
No, it's not. Because it takes place in such an isolated
location. It's just them and this castle.
So I think, especially if you're
a classic book fan, Jane Eyre
is a great place to start. And even if
you're not, if you like
any other kind of historical dramas. If you're a Disney fan
and you liked Beauty and the Beast, I think
you'll like this movie. It's better than the live-action
remake. Yes, it definitely is better. Instead of watching
the live-action remake, you can watch it. It's definitely better than that.
And it's easy to
watch. You can rent or buy it on
Amazon Prime Video, many other streaming
platforms like YouTube,
Google Play,
as well as, you can buy it on DVD.
On Amazon, Walmart, Barnes & Noble.
It's very easy to find films online
if you're inclined to do so. If you know how
to look, you can find them for free.
Yes. And it's great to
amass your own collection of DVDs
if you have a DVD player. Or even VHSes
if you're into that. But I think
Amazon Prime is our
greatest tool.
We have a wide DVD collection
but in our new house, we don't actually
have the DVD player hooked
up to our larger screen. So we watch
so many great movies on Amazon Prime.
And there are other streaming platforms like
Tubi. You can find a lot of old movies for free
on there. That's free, yes.
With ads, but you can put up with that.
Yes. Not everyone likes
classic literature. True.
A lot of people really enjoy
watching series that are about
more realistic,
dramatic real-life events.
Join us next week as we
talk about what was really the first medical
drama. While it was a film,
it started off a series
all about a young doctor.
Thank you for watching.
Goodbye.