Most Americans - Including Democrats! - Think Biden is Too Old, w/ Emily Jashinsky & Eliana Johnson

In 2016, there really was a secret Trump vote that was not accounted for in the polls. I mean, just go back and look at Google general election polls, 2016, and you'll see everybody had it wrong. I mean, it was like Trafalgar had it right and nobody else had it right. Everybody was embarrassed. They completely expected Hillary Clinton to win. I think the Washington Post or the New York Times said she had a 98% chance of winning that night as we went into the, you know, counting the numbers. And of course we know that's not what happened. She lost and Donald Trump won. And there was a secret Trump vote of people who were afraid to tell pollsters or speak publicly about their support for this person who was very controversial and who is in the news every day from every publication saying he was a racist and a misogynist and a bigot and all the terrible things. I think they've come out. They've come out of the closet now because there was not a secret Trump vote factor in the 2020 presidential election. And it's less stigmatizing, I think, in today's day and age to say you like Trump. You know, they know, they've seen the numbers. Half the country voted for Trump. You know, it's really not that controversial. Virtually all Republicans voted for Trump back in 2017. You know, he didn't get, or 20, sorry, 2020. He didn't get the, you know, 17,000 that he needed to put him over the top. But, you know, the point is it's not as bad to say it. So I don't know about these polls, whether there's a hidden Trump vote or not. Because some people say the numbers for Trump are even more inflated than polls like the Journal are showing. The Journal poll that you just referenced shows now that, stand by, the negative views of Biden's age and performance in office help explain why only 39% of voters have a favorable view of him. He's got just a 42% job approval. He's seen favorably by just 39%. 57% disapprove of him. 73% of voters say they feel Biden is too old to seek a second term. That's unbelievable. 73%, two thirds of Democrats say he's too old to run again. That's amazing. Only 47% of voters say that Trump, who's 77 years old, he's only three and a half years behind Biden, is too old to run again. So the age problem is not being held against Trump. I would say, you guys, this is proof that it's not an ageism problem. The voters are not ableist. They're not ageist. They're taking people on a case-by-case basis, and they see a vibrant man in Trump, and they see a near corpse. Forgive me, but it's true in Joe Biden, Emily. I think that's a great point. I hadn't even thought about it that way because that is the line the White House is gonna use more and more, but there's just an obvious difference between people, and we've all seen this in our own personal lives. One person who's 85, one person who's even 90 could be dramatically different than somebody who's 70 or somebody who's 60. These things are just a case-by-case basis. And another really interesting point that you also just raised, I think, is the secret Trump voter, perhaps the decline of the secret Trump voter. Another thing Republicans in Washington, D.C. are really worried about is that you just have Trump voters who don't even believe their votes are counted. They believe that, for instance, the situation in some of these key swing states is going to be rigged by vote counters. So what's the point in going out to vote if you're so disenchanted and disillusioned by the process and distrustful of the process? You could actually lose key segments of Trump votes in states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania because people are just like, what the hell, my vote's not gonna count, so why do I show up anyway? But then at the same time, you have this huge problem for Joe Biden, especially with young voters. And I think it's just shameful, shameful to have numbers like that and not debate. I get that incumbent presidents don't debate. It's not the norm. But to have numbers like that saying the country, even your own party, thinks you're too old, thinks that you should debate, thinks that they should have another option on the table. Basically, they're just opening this giant hole for Joe Manchin to step into and play like Ross Perot spoiler, which is becoming a bigger possibility every single week, and especially the more that Biden's numbers look like this. It's so true. That's such a good point. Two-thirds of his own party don't want him, Eliana, and he refuses to even debate the up-and-coming challengers. I realize that neither side is particularly happy with the prospect of a Trump-Biden rematch, but Trump, he does have huge numbers within his own party. Obviously, we just went through some of them. And yet Joe Biden has got his fingers in his ears and his eyes closed and pretending there is no RFKJ, there's no Joe Manchin, there's no Marianne Williamson. Well, there isn't a Marianne Williamson. But anyway, he's not going to pay any attention to any up-and-comers. I do think there's a broad concern in the Democratic Party that Joe Biden defeated Donald Trump once. Barack Obama dissuaded him from running in 2016, and Hillary Clinton lost to Trump. Biden then ran in 2020 and beat Trump. And I think Biden thinks he's the only person who can beat Trump in 2024. I don't think he thinks Kamala Harris can do it, and I don't think the Democratic Party thinks Kamala Harris can do it. And I think that's why you see the reluctance from Biden to cede the stage and open a primary. I think Democrats really worry that they don't have somebody ready to go on the sidelines, partially because there would be deference to Kamala Harris. They feel pressure to defer to her as the vice president, know that she would lose. But I do think that Biden is selling himself as the only person who can defeat Trump. And Barack Obama, the only person who could make him leave exit stage left is Barack Obama intervening and telling him, I'm gonna come out and say, you gotta go publicly unless you do it privately. We'll arrange for a graceful exit and everyone will celebrate you and your record. And we'll arrange in the background for somebody to become the nominee. But I do think that his record of having defeated Trump once is what he's running on this time. That and the indictments, right? It's you pointed it out a second ago that the Republican voters don't care at all about the indictments. The Democrats are banking on them. And if Trump gets to the general, the numbers are as follows. This is again from the Wall Street Journal poll. More than 60% of Republican primary voters said the indictments are politically motivated and without merit, each one. Some 78% say Trump's actions after the 2020 election were legitimate efforts to ensure an accurate vote. They are not moved by the January 6th stories, period. 16% said Trump had illegally tried to block Congress from certifying an election that he had lost, 16. And that consists of Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney. I mean, that's 16. The Republicans are not interested in that story. About half, 48%, said the indictments made them more likely to vote for Trump in 2024. So you've got one out of two Republican voters saying, if any, I don't believe the charges. I think they're total bullshit. He had every right to protest the election. And if anything, it's made me more likely to vote for him. The country's in an existential crisis and I'm gonna vote for team sanity. I'm not voting for the people who have weaponized the DOJ. That's what they're saying. Some 16% say they're less likely. Again, I refer you to the 16% who say he tried to illegally block the congressional vote. It's the same people. So here is George Stephanopoulos over the weekend trying to wrestle with the fact that Republican voters don't care. They don't care and Republican candidates don't care. Vivek Ramaswamy was his guest and here's the sot for. Your hand shot up pretty fast at the debate when you were asked whether you would vote for Donald Trump in the general election, even if he was a convicted felon. Can you just explain why you would vote for a convicted felon for president? I'm asking you why you made the promise. Why do you think it's okay for a convicted felon to be president? And you find his actions abhorrent around January 6th. You said he was wrong to take the classified information. You said you would not do that yourself, but you still say you would vote for him for president. That's what I don't get. Sir, that man is the front runner for the Republican nomination right now. He's a former president of the United States. He's leading you by 40 points, yet you still say you would vote for him despite what you say about his behavior. That's the question I am asking. So your bottom line is that you would vote for a convicted felon because other people are voting for a convicted felon? So, Emily, we cut that just to show he doesn't get it. The whole left half of the country, it's like we had a plan and why aren't you responding to our plan? He's terrible, he's a criminal. It's amazing to me that exchange from George Stephanopoulos has to happen on air between him and Vivek Ramaswamy and not voters. Like, as you were pointing out, mate, like millions of voters around the country who could give you a very articulate explanation of why that is a much lower level priority for them. Why Donald Trump's, you know, whatever he did after the election, January 6th, is a much lower level priority for them than the fact that it's being weaponized by his political opponents to potentially put him in prison, not to mention levels of inflation that create real material concerns for them, the healthcare situation that create real material concerns for them, all of these higher level priorities that voters have that make it perfectly easy for them to reconcile in their own head, voting for Donald Trump, even though he did some bad stuff in their minds after the election and on January 6th, and maybe even since, versus voting for Joe Biden or Kamala Harris or back in 2016, Hillary Clinton. It is so easy for the average voter who is, you know, maybe they're not even Republicans, but independents or Democrats in certain states like Wisconsin and Pennsylvania who pulled the lever for Donald Trump in 2016 and 2020. This makes perfect sense to them. They see what's happening with gender ideology. They see what's happening with, maybe they're pro-life voters and they see what the Biden administration wants to do with abortion. These things are totally not mutually exclusive to them. And all you need to do is sit down with a voter to understand that Vivek Ramaswamy is hardly crazy for echoing the exact same thing on the debate stage. And I think it's been a problem for the other candidates, DeSantis included, who I thought was gonna be really good about this, to make that case on the debate stage as well in a way that resonated with those millions of Republican voters. The 58%, as Emily's ticking off the issues, Eliana, 58% of voters in that same journal poll saying the economy has gotten worse over the past two years. Only 28% say it's gotten better. Nearly three in four, three out of four people say inflation is headed in the wrong direction. They don't give a shit about Trump's indictments. Where did you learn about money? 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